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::Sure, no harm will be done. This was more of a caveat emptor message. Thanks.&nbsp;&nbsp;[[User:Little_green_rosetta|<font color="blue">little</font> <font color="green">green rosetta</font>]]{{SubSup||[[Special:Contributions/Little_green_rosetta|central scrutinizer]]|[[User talk:Little green rosetta|(talk)]]}} 12:18, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
::Sure, no harm will be done. This was more of a caveat emptor message. Thanks.&nbsp;&nbsp;[[User:Little_green_rosetta|<font color="blue">little</font> <font color="green">green rosetta</font>]]{{SubSup||[[Special:Contributions/Little_green_rosetta|central scrutinizer]]|[[User talk:Little green rosetta|(talk)]]}} 12:18, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
:::Well, thank you for taking the time notify me. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 12:19, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
:::Well, thank you for taking the time notify me. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 12:19, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

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'{{User:Deskana/ContactingDeskana}} {{User:Deskana/TalkPageHeader}} __TOC__ == Account creation request == Hi Deskana, there is an [https://toolserver.org/~acc/acc.php?action=zoom&id=80638 account creation request] which [[User:Elockid]] would like you to take a look at as you placed a checkuser block, but the data is now stale. Regards, '''[[User:Callanecc|Callanecc]]''' ([[User talk:Callanecc|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Callanecc|contribs]] • [[Special:Log/Callanecc|logs]]) 08:19, 5 October 2012 (UTC) :I've responded to the request. Thanks. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 10:26, 5 October 2012 (UTC) ::And I've created the account, thanks for that. '''[[User:Callanecc|Callanecc]]''' ([[User talk:Callanecc|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Callanecc|contribs]] • [[Special:Log/Callanecc|logs]]) 10:31, 5 October 2012 (UTC) == ''The Signpost'': 08 October 2012 == <div style="-moz-column-count:2; -webkit-column-count:2; column-count:2;"> {{Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2012-10-08}} </div><!--Volume 8, Issue 41--> <div class="hlist" style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;"> * '''[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost|Read this Signpost in full]]''' * [[Wikipedia:Signpost/Single|Single-page]] * [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Subscribe|Unsubscribe]] * [[User:EdwardsBot|EdwardsBot]] ([[User talk:EdwardsBot|talk]]) 20:07, 9 October 2012 (UTC) </div> <!-- EdwardsBot 0382 --> == progress report == So you being one of my biggest, I hesitate to use the word "Critic" but I can't think of a better word, I was wondering how you think I'm doing having been unbanned now for nearly a year and and a half. Thanks. <b style="font-family:sans-serif;text-shadow:2px 2px 2px #9eceee;color:#fd0;">[[User:CR90|<font color="#00285D">CRRays</font>]][[User talk:CR90|<font color="#00285D">Head90</font>]] | <sup>[[Special:Contributions/CRRaysHead90|<font color="#00285d">Get Some!</font>]]</sup></b> 23:53, 11 October 2012 (UTC) :I have no idea who you are. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 21:10, 13 October 2012 (UTC) ::Sorry, I should have clarified. I'm Hornetman16. <b style="font-family:sans-serif;text-shadow:2px 2px 2px #9eceee;color:#fd0;">[[User:CR90|<font color="#00285D">CRRays</font>]][[User talk:CR90|<font color="#00285D">Head90</font>]] | <sup>[[Special:Contributions/CRRaysHead90|<font color="#00285d">Get Some!</font>]]</sup></b> 00:31, 14 October 2012 (UTC) == ''The Signpost'': 15 October 2012 == <div style="-moz-column-count:2; -webkit-column-count:2; column-count:2;"> {{Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2012-10-15}} </div><!--Volume 8, Issue 42--> <div class="hlist" style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;"> * '''[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost|Read this Signpost in full]]''' * [[Wikipedia:Signpost/Single|Single-page]] * [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Subscribe|Unsubscribe]] * [[User:EdwardsBot|EdwardsBot]] ([[User talk:EdwardsBot|talk]]) 20:48, 16 October 2012 (UTC) </div> <!-- EdwardsBot 0387 --> == Arbcom == Any chance you're considering it this year? - <b>[[User:Jc37|jc37]]</b> 17:12, 19 October 2012 (UTC) :Why do you ask? --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 17:20, 19 October 2012 (UTC) ::It's getting near that time for candidates to declare. So I thought I'd ask if you were considering it : ) - <b>[[User:Jc37|jc37]]</b> 17:35, 19 October 2012 (UTC) :::I'll see what other candidates are running and make my mind up. Right now I don't have the time to commit to it, but it's always possible to rearrange things so that I do. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 18:37, 19 October 2012 (UTC) ::::Fair enough. Still hoping to dust off [[User:Jc37/Userboxes/Deskana4Arbcom]] : ) - <b>[[User:Jc37|jc37]]</b> 18:47, 19 October 2012 (UTC) :::::Wow! I'd totally forgotten about that! --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 18:49, 19 October 2012 (UTC) :::::: : ) - <b>[[User:Jc37|jc37]]</b> 18:50, 19 October 2012 (UTC) == SPI archiving == Not that I'm an expert, but [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Hilcee your archiving] doesn't look right to me.--[[User:Bbb23|Bbb23]] ([[User talk:Bbb23|talk]]) 23:27, 19 October 2012 (UTC) :I use automated tools to do it, so it's strange that it went wrong. Even stranger, reverting my close then re-archiving has fixed the problem. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 00:06, 20 October 2012 (UTC) ::Don't know what automated tool you use, but sometimes they malfunction. Thanks for fixing it.--[[User:Bbb23|Bbb23]] ([[User talk:Bbb23|talk]]) 00:29, 20 October 2012 (UTC) == ''The Signpost'': 22 October 2012 == <div style="-moz-column-count:2; -webkit-column-count:2; column-count:2;"> {{Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2012-10-22}} </div><!--Volume 8, Issue 43--> <div class="hlist" style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;"> * '''[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost|Read this Signpost in full]]''' * [[Wikipedia:Signpost/Single|Single-page]] * [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Subscribe|Unsubscribe]] * [[User:EdwardsBot|EdwardsBot]] ([[User talk:EdwardsBot|talk]]) 10:26, 24 October 2012 (UTC) </div> <!-- EdwardsBot 0391 --> ==You've got mail!== {{you've got mail|subject=Urgent!|ts=17:49, 26 October 2012 (UTC)}} <small>[[User:Dave1185|<font face="Rage Italic" size="4" style="color:#000000;color:green"><i>Dave</i></font>]] <sup><span style="font-family:Italic;color:black">[[User talk:Dave1185|♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®]]</span></sup></small> 17:49, 26 October 2012 (UTC) *Ping~! --<small>[[User:Dave1185|<font face="Rage Italic" size="4" style="color:#000000;color:green"><i>Dave</i></font>]] <sup><span style="font-family:Italic;color:black">[[User talk:Dave1185|♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®]]</span></sup></small> 17:49, 28 October 2012 (UTC) ==Talkback== {{talkback|Mr. Wikipediania|ts=15:06, 29 October 2012 (UTC)}} '''[[User:Mr. Wikipediania|Mr.Wikipediania]] ([[Special:Contributions/Mr. Wikipediania|Stalk]] • [[User talk:Mr. Wikipediania|Talk]])''' 15:06, 29 October 2012 (UTC) == Quick request == Would you mind looking at [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Way u die]]? It appears that {{user|Titanic225}} is operating bad-hand vandal socks. [[User:Reaper Eternal|Reaper Eternal]] ([[User talk:Reaper Eternal|talk]]) 16:21, 29 October 2012 (UTC) *[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=newusers&user=Titanic225&page=&year=&month=-1&tagfilter=&hide_patrol_log=1&hide_review_log=1 This] says it all. Funny how by being quite obvious about the sockpuppetry, you can still get away with it for so long. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 16:27, 29 October 2012 (UTC) ::I never even thought to check his user creation log. Sorry about that. [[User:Reaper Eternal|Reaper Eternal]] ([[User talk:Reaper Eternal|talk]]) 16:30, 29 October 2012 (UTC) :::Well, you wouldn't, because most people aren't stupid enough to create sockpuppets while logged in. I only noticed because user account creations show up in the checkuser tool. I suspect that he's not that stupid either; he was doing it quite obviously, and wanted to see how long he can get away with it. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 16:34, 29 October 2012 (UTC) == [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/BengaliHindu‎|SPI]] == Hi! I saw that you CheckedUser the sock puppets but refrained from checking the puppet master. You asked for further evidence for this. I've posted more evidences there. Is that enough? Also, am I allowed to post further comments? Please guide me. Thanks. --[[User:Kmzayeem|<font style="font-size:18px" color="#848482" face="Ransom">Zayeem</font>]] <sup> [[User talk:Kmzayeem|<font color="#483C32">'''''(talk)'''''</font>]]</sup> 14:52, 30 October 2012 (UTC) Hi! I have added some more evidence at 16:03, 30 October 2012, please take a look. Thanks. --[[User:Kmzayeem|<font style="font-size:18px" color="#848482" face="Ransom">Zayeem</font>]] <sup> [[User talk:Kmzayeem|<font color="#483C32">'''''(talk)'''''</font>]]</sup> 13:00, 31 October 2012 (UTC) Added another comment, please take a look. [[User:Kmzayeem|<font style="font-size:18px" color="#848482" face="Ransom">Zayeem</font>]] <sup> [[User talk:Kmzayeem|<font color="#483C32">'''''(talk)'''''</font>]]</sup> 09:59, 1 November 2012 (UTC) :You're grasping at straws now. Just stop. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 11:03, 1 November 2012 (UTC) :: Ok Sorry. Thanks for your patience and co-operation. --[[User:Kmzayeem|<font style="font-size:18px" color="#848482" face="Ransom">Zayeem</font>]] <sup> [[User talk:Kmzayeem|<font color="#483C32">'''''(talk)'''''</font>]]</sup> 12:54, 1 November 2012 (UTC) == ''The Signpost'': 29 October 2012 == <div style="-moz-column-count:2; -webkit-column-count:2; column-count:2;"> {{Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2012-10-29}} </div><!--Volume 8, Issue 44--> <div class="hlist" style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;"> * '''[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost|Read this Signpost in full]]''' * [[Wikipedia:Signpost/Single|Single-page]] * [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Subscribe|Unsubscribe]] * [[User:EdwardsBot|EdwardsBot]] ([[User talk:EdwardsBot|talk]]) 07:40, 31 October 2012 (UTC) </div> <!-- EdwardsBot 0395 --> == ''The Signpost'': 05 November 2012 == <div style="-moz-column-count:2; -webkit-column-count:2; column-count:2;"> {{Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2012-11-05}} </div><!--Volume 8, Issue 45--> <div class="hlist" style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;"> * '''[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost|Read this Signpost in full]]''' * [[Wikipedia:Signpost/Single|Single-page]] * [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Subscribe|Unsubscribe]] * [[User:EdwardsBot|EdwardsBot]] ([[User talk:EdwardsBot|talk]]) 23:21, 6 November 2012 (UTC) </div> <!-- EdwardsBot 0399 --> == ''The Signpost'': 12 November 2012 == <div style="-moz-column-count:2; -webkit-column-count:2; column-count:2;"> {{Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2012-11-12}} </div><!--Volume 8, Issue 46--> <div class="hlist" style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;"> * '''[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost|Read this Signpost in full]]''' * [[Wikipedia:Signpost/Single|Single-page]] * [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Subscribe|Unsubscribe]] * [[User:EdwardsBot|EdwardsBot]] ([[User talk:EdwardsBot|talk]]) 12:00, 14 November 2012 (UTC) </div> <!-- EdwardsBot 0400 --> == ''The Signpost'': 19 November 2012 == <div style="-moz-column-count:2; -webkit-column-count:2; column-count:2;"> {{Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2012-11-19}} </div><!--Volume 8, Issue 47--> <div class="hlist" style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;"> * '''[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost|Read this Signpost in full]]''' * [[Wikipedia:Signpost/Single|Single-page]] * [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Subscribe|Unsubscribe]] * [[User:EdwardsBot|EdwardsBot]] ([[User talk:EdwardsBot|talk]]) 04:07, 21 November 2012 (UTC) </div> <!-- EdwardsBot 0403 # RECIPIENTS (CATEGORY) --> == ''The Signpost'': 26 November 2012 == <div style="-moz-column-count:2; -webkit-column-count:2; column-count:2;"> {{Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2012-11-26}} </div><!--Volume 8, Issue 48--> <div class="hlist" style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;"> * '''[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost|Read this Signpost in full]]''' * [[Wikipedia:Signpost/Single|Single-page]] * [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Subscribe|Unsubscribe]] * [[User:EdwardsBot|EdwardsBot]] ([[User talk:EdwardsBot|talk]]) 13:07, 28 November 2012 (UTC) </div> <!-- EdwardsBot 0405 # RECIPIENTS (CATEGORY) --> == ''The Signpost'': 03 December 2012 == <div style="-moz-column-count:2; -webkit-column-count:2; column-count:2;"> {{Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2012-12-03}} </div><!--Volume 8, Issue 49--> <div class="hlist" style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;"> * '''[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost|Read this Signpost in full]]''' * [[Wikipedia:Signpost/Single|Single-page]] * [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Subscribe|Unsubscribe]] * [[User:EdwardsBot|EdwardsBot]] ([[User talk:EdwardsBot|talk]]) 22:26, 5 December 2012 (UTC) </div> <!-- EdwardsBot 0413 --> == Help with protection == Hello, I need help with my talk page. A very annoying vandal keeps adding useless gibberish to my talk page and idiotic categories to my page. Can an admin please protect my talk page from edit by new users and such so my talk page is not consistently vandalized with spam... Also, the same person keeps creating different user names and spamming my talk page at a repeated basis. Please protect my talk page and my user page or have an admin who can. Thanks in advance. - [[User:Zarbon|Zarbon]] ([[User talk:Zarbon|talk]]) 18:54, 10 December 2012 (UTC) :Looks like it's been protected by someone else since you asked. Not that I would call two vandalism edits this month 'consistently vandalised', but there you are. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 23:22, 10 December 2012 (UTC) ::Deskana he is one for arbitrarily reverting my edits! Haaaaa... wait until he gets the best of meh. [[Special:Contributions/166.147.120.22|166.147.120.22]] ([[User talk:166.147.120.22|talk]]) <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 20:37, 11 December 2012 (UTC)</span><!--Template:Undated--> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> == Checkuser request == Hi. I made a checkuser request by email. Would you prefer that I make it as a checkuser request at [[WP:SPI]]? Cheers, [[User:Mathsci|Mathsci]] ([[User talk:Mathsci|talk]]) 11:34, 11 December 2012 (UTC) == ''The Signpost'': 10 December 2012 == <div style="-moz-column-count:2; -webkit-column-count:2; column-count:2;"> {{Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2012-12-10}} </div><!--Volume 8, Issue 50--> <div class="hlist" style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;"> * '''[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost|Read this Signpost in full]]''' * [[Wikipedia:Signpost/Single|Single-page]] * [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Subscribe|Unsubscribe]] * [[User:EdwardsBot|EdwardsBot]] ([[User talk:EdwardsBot|talk]]) 23:32, 11 December 2012 (UTC) </div> <!-- EdwardsBot 0415 --> == SPI == I disagree with your comments at a recent SPI where you stated that an editor looking to be a clear case of DUCK meant we shouldn't check - that totally violates AGF. [[User:GiantSnowman|Giant]][[User talk:GiantSnowman|Snowman]] 16:14, 16 December 2012 (UTC) :If the check is unnecessary, it cannot be carried out. Those are the standards by which the checkuser tool is used. If you disagree with them, then you should speak to the Arbitration Committee. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 18:40, 16 December 2012 (UTC) == Advanced notice == Get your block privilege out now, because if I don't get an answer from Ubikwit in next 12 hours, I will revert him again. I was somewhat tired last night, and in the 3RR submission (wall of text) mentioned the wrong source. Never mind. The source over which Ubikwit engaged in the edit war in fact does not match the text! It does not come from any of the major international organisations he insists the lead refer to, nor is it even a paraphrase of the 476 word 'definition'. The 'definition' is categorised as "...adopting a broader, more comprehensive approach"(p.11), although still "...retains the now-standard emphasis on marginalization, loss of autonomy and control over resources, and the prospect and reality of cultural decline. It highlights, in a variety of ways, the idea of indigenous peoples as being victims of broader processes, buffeted by the forces of development and rendered largely powerless within the nation state." Following this, Ken Coates, a professor of history, says the following <blockquote>The issue at hand is clearly a complicated one. Depending on the approach taken, the concepts of indigenous, tribal and ethnic minority could be interchangeable or, at the minimum, substantially overlapping. The challenge is to find a definition that works historically. It cannot or should not be framed entirely within contemporary terms, like that of Survival International, for to do so would obscure important historical transitions. Ideally, it would not be Eurocentric and would not define an entire category of people solely on the basis of their relationship to a external group/force. It would incorporate the experiences of small societies in Asia, Africa and other regions and would not be influenced by the contemporary efforts of Asian governments to exclude their indigenous and small societies from inclusion within the indigenous political world. To be meaningful, a workable definition needs to focus on historical processes and relationships while remaining sensitive to the circumstances of local indigenous societies. At the same time, efforts to be comprehensive and inclusion in terms of definition, as with various United Nations’ efforts, can strip the concept of its meaning.</blockquote> In my attempt to edit the article, I am trying to infuse it with the greater scope than that when "framed entirely within contemporary terms", and will seek to highlight "important historical transitions". Currently, the article is almost entirely Eurocentric, and defines "an entire category of people solely on the basis of their relationship to a external group/force." This is the reason that the United Nations organisations could not, and will not adopt a definition of the ''Indigenous peoples''. Their work is focused on the contemporary relationships, but "To be meaningful, a workable definition needs to focus on historical processes and relationships while remaining sensitive to the circumstances of local indigenous societies" which can only be found in disciplines other than contemporary law and political science. Ubikwit's single-minded pursuit of retaining the emphasis on the contemporary relationships is denying development of the article into a better version. I also note that the discussion cited as 'consensus' 10 months ago failed to cite any reliable sources, and based itself solely on this one mis-cited and wholly OR reinterpretation of the IWGIA webpage which is no longer extant.[[User:Crock81|Crock81]] ([[User talk:Crock81|talk]]) 22:13, 17 December 2012 (UTC) :I'm far too tired right now to give serious thought to the issues you've written about here. Please hold off on reverting for a bit longer until I'm able to read and discuss these issues. I'll read this tomorrow. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 23:02, 17 December 2012 (UTC) :::Coates is arguing for a revisionist definition, not giving one that is widely accepted. His view could be noted in the article but should not determine its scope. The Unesco definition, the ILO and WTO definitions all give primacy to contemporary political relations, as do NGOs and as does the majority of the literature on the topic. There are no works to my knowledge that define the topic in as broad terms as Crock81 is attempting to do, since that leaves the concept vacuous and meaningless as all groups have "historical connections to a territory". The consensus from 10 months ago remains in vigor until such a time as you succeed in forming a new consensus, regardless of whether you think it was "racist" or ill-informed.[[User:Maunus|·ʍaunus]]·[[User talk:Maunus|snunɐw·]] 23:40, 17 December 2012 (UTC) ::::You on Earth would you post this here?! [[User:Crock81|Crock81]] ([[User talk:Crock81|talk]]) 07:02, 18 December 2012 (UTC) ::::::Why on earth would you be spending time lobbying administrators and arbitrators instead of producing sources in support of your claims on the talkpage of the article where you viewpoint is currently in the minority?[[User:Maunus|·ʍaunus]]·[[User talk:Maunus|snunɐw·]] 01:50, 19 December 2012 (UTC) [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Indigenous_peoples&diff=prev&oldid=528592673 ...and a long read]. I think a decade of butchering such an important article, literally representing millions of readers in Wikipedia, is enough. I want someone from ArbCom to review this. I don't enjoy conflicts, but I know right from wrong, including application of Wikipedia principles, and while I would [[very much prefer not to engage in an AN/I]], but I will if pushed [[User:Crock81|Crock81]] ([[User talk:Crock81|talk]]) 07:02, 18 December 2012 (UTC) :Right. The above messages, from both of you, have totally missed the point. As an administrator looking at the article, all I am concerned with is the edit warring, not the subject matter. Edit warring is not good for the encyclopedia, as it does not create good stable articles. I know nothing of the content issues related to the article, and my neutrality is what makes me a good administrator for dealing with administrative issues related to the article. If there are content disputes, then you can read about how to solve them at [[WP:DR]]. If there is edit warring, then it will be treated entirely as an administrative matter and page protections and blocks will likely ensue. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 14:09, 18 December 2012 (UTC) ::Fine, but there is a concept that one can participate in [[Preventive medicine]] to avoid [[surgery]]. Administrator involvement in edit warring is [[surgery]]. If you want to understand ''why'' you are doing 'surgery' all the time, look at the [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Indigenous_peoples&diff=prev&oldid=528592673 symptoms]. This is an important article, but for over a decade it has evolved into the a [[schizophrenia]] sufferer. ''That'' is why you ''will be'' coming back to it for edit warring, if not with me, than someone else, maybe not now, but in months or years time, maybe not you, but another administrator. Its not ''just'' edit warring that's "not good for the encycllpedia", but also '''what causes edit warring''', which is even less good, because it creates a cycle of behaviour that either '''a)''' produces crap articles, '''b)''' drives away editors, or '''c)''' takes you away from editing to administer edit warring (assuming you are not here just for adminship). Engaging with the cause, eliminates the effect. I'm sure if I look, I will find for you a plethora of articles with similar ''symptoms''. The basic cause is the same - '''failure to adhere to Wikipedia editing rules and guidelines'''. I am not asking you to look at the content, but '''only''' the failure to follow Wikipedia editing rules and guidelines that has led to the edit warring [[User:Crock81|Crock81]] ([[User talk:Crock81|talk]]) 00:56, 19 December 2012 (UTC) == User:Milesgive3030- == Hey Deskana, you recently blocked {{socklinks|Milesgive3030-}} indefinitely, but you left email access unblocked. Now [[WP:ANI#Email abuse|it appears]] that s/he is sending abusive emails to other users. I wondered if you'd be able to reblock them with email access disabled? '''Interesting note:''' It's been suggested that this is yet another incarnation of JarlaxleArtemis/Grawp. Thanks, &mdash; [[User:Pyfan|Oli]] <sup>OR</sup> [[User_talk:Pyfan|Pyfan!]] 09:59, 18 December 2012 (UTC) :Nevermind, just {{done}} by Yunshui. Thanks anyway :), &mdash; [[User:Pyfan|Oli]] <sup>OR</sup> [[User_talk:Pyfan|Pyfan!]] 10:00, 18 December 2012 (UTC) == ''The Signpost'': 17 December 2012 == <div style="-moz-column-count:2; -webkit-column-count:2; column-count:2;"> {{Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2012-12-17}} </div><!--Volume 8, Issue 51--> <div class="hlist" style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;"> * '''[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost|Read this Signpost in full]]''' * [[Wikipedia:Signpost/Single|Single-page]] * [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Subscribe|Unsubscribe]] * [[User:EdwardsBot|EdwardsBot]] ([[User talk:EdwardsBot|talk]]) 01:54, 20 December 2012 (UTC) </div> <!-- EdwardsBot 0421 --> == DieSwartzPunk sockpuppet investigation == After reading your comments[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/DieSwartzPunkt&diff=next&oldid=528957327] I realized I have made a grave error on that page. I have included a random user, Cantaloupe2, as a sockmaster. This was a huge mistake and wasn't intended! I believe in the confusion of the form I cut and pasted his name, from my talk page, into the form and realizing this I pasted the correct name DieSwartPunkt later. I thought I had edited the incorrect name out. His editing is nothing similar to the problem edits and didn't appear involved. If anything more helpful in the matter. I don't know how to handle this. He wasn't notified or maybe even aware of this procedure (my complaint) Can his name be removed or at least stroked out not to involve an innocent editor? I feel horrible about this error. I need to apologize to him but do not know where to start and I don't even think he is aware of what I have done. Thanks [[Special:Contributions/174.118.142.187|174.118.142.187]] ([[User talk:174.118.142.187|talk]]) 19:20, 20 December 2012 (UTC) :Remove it if you want, it makes little difference. It will remain in the history of the page. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 21:04, 20 December 2012 (UTC) == SPI case == {{YGM}} [[User:Logical Cowboy|Logical Cowboy]] ([[User talk:Logical Cowboy|talk]]) 03:50, 22 December 2012 (UTC) == Another look? == I have provided evidence at [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/WWEJobber]]. Could you take another look? Thank you. [[User:Starship.paint|Starship.paint]] ([[User talk:Starship.paint|talk]]) 10:28, 22 December 2012 (UTC) :Thanks very much for providing the check Deskana. Now that the probability shifts towards pointing Nomelck as a relative/friend posing as a meatpuppet instead of a genuine editor, is there any possible avenue for me to take to prevent Nomelck from skewing talk page discussions in favour of WWEJobber? Or is there any way to further investigate the unlikelier possibility of Nomelck being a sockpuppet? [[User:Starship.paint|Starship.paint]] ([[User talk:Starship.paint|talk]]) 12:26, 24 December 2012 (UTC) ::We have no proof of anything. All we have is suspicion. And it is very suspicious, yes. But the population of Brazil is nearly 200 million. We don't have enough to act on based on the checkuser results. I've intentionally left the case open so that an administrator can look at the behavioural evidence and decide whether it's enough to act on. I make a point of trying not to act as both an administrator and checkuser on the same case when I can avoid it. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 13:49, 24 December 2012 (UTC) == Merry Christmas! == <div style="border-style:solid; border-color:red; background-color:fff; border-width:2px; text-align:left; padding:8px;" class="plainlinks">[[image:Christmas_tree_sxc_hu.jpg|70px|left]] ''[[User:TheGeneralUser|<font color="Fuchsia">TheGeneralUser</font>]] [[User talk:TheGeneralUser|<font color="Fuchsia">(talk)</font>]]'' is wishing you a [[Mary Poppins|Merry]] [[Christmas]]! This greeting (and season) promotes [[Wikipedia:WikiLove|WikiLove]] and hopefully this note has made your day a little better. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a [[Christmas|Merry Christmas]], whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Happy New Year! <br /> ''Spread the cheer by adding {{tls|Xmas2}} to their talk page with a friendly message.'' </div> Hello Deskana! Wishing you a very Happy Merry Christmas :) ''[[User:TheGeneralUser|<font color="Fuchsia">TheGeneralUser</font>]] [[User talk:TheGeneralUser|<font color="Fuchsia">(talk)</font>]]'' 12:18, 25 December 2012 (UTC) == Evildoer187, Crock181 == Dear Deskana, I couldn't help but note the rather curt tone of the wording of your decision in the sockpuppetry case I was compelled to file for obvious reasons against Evildoer187. You will recall the following comment by EdJohnston: <blockquote>Evildoer187's statement when he reduced the timeout was "Undid revision 529129762 by Ubikwit (talk) "''This horse is on its last breath. You have 15 days to present a solid, rational argument for your proposed edits.''" '''I think this is on the border of disruptive editing''' (''my emphasis'') and urge all parties to leave archiving alone for the duration. EdJohnston (talk) 15:13, 22 December 2012 (UTC)</blockquote> After reading your decision I checked your talk page and noticed the attacks against me there by Crock81. These two individuals have been working on tandem on the Indigenous peoples and corresponding List page in a manner that has been described as bordering on disruptive by more than one other editor and administrator, as well as related to a "personal project", which has been characterized by another exerienced editor as "an attempt to shoehorn Israelis onto the list", if I recall the quote corectly. Here is the quote posted by EdJohnston to Crock81's Talk page. <blockquote>I view the activities at Indigenous peoples to be an extension of the dispute at List of indigenous peoples, an article which has been under the ARBPIA 1RR restriction since April, 2011. You have already violated WP:3RR at Indigenous peoples. '''You seem to be on Wikipedia in service of a personal project. Apparently it is of great importance to you whether one or both of the contending parties in the Middle East should be considered to be indigenous peoples'''. (''my emphasis'') You risk wearing out the patience of editors here with your wall-of-text posts. This is disappointing because you occasionally seem to reveal a knowledge of the subject matter that might be useful to Wikipedia. An inability to explain yourself briefly or to negotiate with others may prevent you from making any actual contribution here. EdJohnston (talk) 02:48, 19 December 2012 (UTC)</blockquote> I just noticed on Evildoer187's Talk page that you have mentioned me in conjunction with a 3RR violation. Since I am still somewhat new to the editing scenario here, perhaps you'd care to clarify? Evildoer187 has posted warnings in the manner of an administrator on several other editors' Talk pages, has attempted to dictate discussions on Talk pages, has attempted to cut off an RfC midstream because he couldn't control the discussion, filed dubious complaints against me, and I could go on. Please correct me if I mistake you, but it appears to me that you are somewhat sympathetc toward Evildoer187 and demonstrate a modicum of antipathy toward me. --[[User:Ubikwit|Ubikwit]] ([[User talk:Ubikwit|talk]]) 17:22, 25 December 2012 (UTC)Ubikwit :Given the amount of SPI cases I handle I have little patience for SPI reports like the one you filed, which is probably why you think I don't like you. That's not the case, I don't like or dislike anyone. [[User:Coren|Coren]] recently aptly described me as "the grumpy old grandpa" of SPI, so bear that in mind. I find it interesting that you said he's filed "dubious complaints" about you, when your SPI case him was exactly that. Anyway, Evildoer187 clearly deserved to be blocked for edit warring. So did you, however, so you should count yourself lucky that you did not end up blocked. I didn't say you had violated 3RR, I was correcting Moxy who said you were exempt from 3RR because Evildoer187 is banned, but he isn't banned. Don't edit war or break any rules and you'll have no problem from me. Edit war and break rules and, well, you will. I have nothing more to say on the matter. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 17:34, 25 December 2012 (UTC) ::Fair enough, I don't mean to waste your time, but I don't want either of the abovementioned individuals wasting my time, either. ::I've no intention to violate the 3RR rule or edit war, and apparently there is a distinction between "banned" and "blocked" that related to that. ::In any case, I don't have problems with Evildoer or Crock editing as long as they are acting in good faith and in accord with WP:OR and WP:NPOV, basically, as well as providing sources to support their assertions. ::If my case sockpuppet case against Evildoer was a trivial waste of your time, I apologize. I'm not familiar with the ins-and-outs of sockpuppetry. It seemed to me that if it was actually Evildoer, such behavior would represent a turn for the worse, and I have been following his conversations in which even sympathetic experienced editors have become exasperated with dealing with him. ::If he returns and files RfCs and the like, I'll participate. However, if there is an administrative action against him, he has made numerous statements to me that would appear to demonstrate behavior issues, so I will provide comments in such a case. Happy New Year.--[[User:Ubikwit|Ubikwit]] ([[User talk:Ubikwit|talk]]) 17:49, 25 December 2012 (UTC)Ubikwit :::I wouldn't say the SPI case was a waste of my time, nor are you wasting my time by asking these questions. I'm a strong believer that anyone should be able to file an SPI report and put whatever they want in it. SPI must remain a place that does not exclude people for any reason, in order to maintain its neutrality. I would say it was a fairly useless report however, for the reasons I listed in the case. No offense intended by that, I also believe in calling [[To call a spade a spade|a spade a spade]]. Try to keep out of trouble, eh? Merry Christmas (or whatever holiday you celebrate, if any) and a Happy New Year to you too. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 18:03, 25 December 2012 (UTC) == ''The Signpost'': 24 December 2012 == <div style="-moz-column-count:2; -webkit-column-count:2; column-count:2;"> {{Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2012-12-24}} </div><!--Volume 8, Issue 52--> <div class="hlist" style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;"> * '''[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost|Read this Signpost in full]]''' * [[Wikipedia:Signpost/Single|Single-page]] * [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Subscribe|Unsubscribe]] * [[User:EdwardsBot|EdwardsBot]] ([[User talk:EdwardsBot|talk]]) 09:03, 26 December 2012 (UTC) </div> <!-- EdwardsBot 0424 --> == A little help please == You seem to have some experience in ending disputes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Colonialism#Israel [[User:Evildoer187|Evildoer187]] ([[User talk:Evildoer187|talk]]) 06:24, 28 December 2012 (UTC) :How many times must I say this? I am not interested in content disputes. I am only interested in conduct issues. I am not a dispute resolution tool. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 12:00, 28 December 2012 (UTC) == arbitration == You are involved in a recently filed request for arbitration. Please review the request at [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests# deskana refusal to perform CU in SIP case ]] and, if you wish to do so, enter your statement and any other material you wish to submit to the Arbitration Committee. Additionally, the following resources may be of use— * [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests#Requests for Arbitration]]; * [[Wikipedia:Arbitration guide]]. Thanks,<!-- Template:Arbcom notice --> <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Ubikwit|Ubikwit]] ([[User talk:Ubikwit|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ubikwit|contribs]]) 20:29, 28 December 2012 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> :The appropriate venue for you to contact them was to email them. I suggest you do so now, because this case will get very quickly declined. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 20:43, 28 December 2012 (UTC) ::You suggest I send the same text but through email?--[[User:Ubikwit|Ubikwit]] ([[User talk:Ubikwit|talk]]) 21:07, 28 December 2012 (UTC)Ubikwit :::Hello deskana, Please excuse me for apparently misunderstanding something about the scale of attacks of sockpuppetry against which the CU tool is apparently reserved for use. :::That wasn't clear to me, and I therefore couldn't understand your reasoning for refusing to carry that out. :::These contents disputes have been causing me to loose a little sleep, but one thing that came out of the recent block was that I did a little more reading of policy, which made it apparent that a couple behavioral issues related to those policies have been taking place. So, before dealing with the content disputes, I'm gong to seek to have those behavioral issues examined in order to rectify those in advance of getting at the content issues. :::Another admin has offered to advise me, so in order to proceed with that in the proper manner I'm going to try posting on my Sandbox the text I've drawn up detailing specific incidents of behavior that I've already drawn up a text for with respect to three editors, two of whom are very experienced, and the corresponding points of policy. :::The text is longer than 500 words and relates to three editors, so I don't know how to proceed, but it seems to me that because they are all interrelated and happening on the same talk page, it would be desirable to streamline the arbitration process to the extent possible. Since this deals with conduct, you may be interested, so if your not too busy please feel free to comment.--[[User:Ubikwit|Ubikwit]] ([[User talk:Ubikwit|talk]]) 03:55, 29 December 2012 (UTC)Ubikwit ::::The very nature of Wikipedia means it's very difficult to break ''anything'' (software or otherwise) on the site, so there was no harm caused by you filing that case. Regarding the rest of your message, I saw that a few people suggested you read [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Guide to arbitration]]. I would also like to suggest you do so. The Arbitration Committee normally only accepts cases when all other possible avenues to resolve the problem have tried and failed. Those avenues include those listed on [[Wikipedia:Dispute resolution]]. Submitting a proper ArbCom case is quite an undertaking and there is no guarantee it will be accepted. Those pages I have linked will offer some guidance. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 16:10, 29 December 2012 (UTC) :::::OK, deskana, thanks, I'll do that. :::::By the way, I know it's burdensome, but please check the Talk pages on the [[Colonialism]] and [[Settler colonialism]] articles. Those articles are basically linked, as Settler colonialism is discussed in the Colonialism article. :::::I'm not interested in expending any effort to have Evildoer187 sanctioned for his overzealous editing, but once I start filing content disputes--which looks like it will be necesary--his conduct will likely come under scrutiny.--[[User:Ubikwit|Ubikwit]] ([[User talk:Ubikwit|talk]]) 16:34, 29 December 2012 (UTC)Ubikwit :::::::My conduct is already under intense scrutiny, in case you haven't noticed. I don't see how you could have missed it, given that you've been prowling my user page for a good while now. If I were you, I'd focus more on improving your own conduct rather than preoccupying yourself with mine. I will notify the appropriate noticeboard if your harassment does not stop.[[User:Evildoer187|Evildoer187]] ([[User talk:Evildoer187|talk]]) 09:10, 30 December 2012 (UTC) == edit war in the article - [[Turkey]] == Hello. December 28 in article "Turkey" you put the protection from editing. But you have not returned to pre-conflict version of article. Now, can not be canceled vandalism by "Maurice07" who removed information and sources. Please return to the pre-conflict version of article with sources. With best regards [[User:Rs4815|Rs4815]] ([[User talk:Rs4815|talk]]) 09:53, 29 December 2012 (UTC) :Please see [[m:The Wrong Version]]. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 11:21, 29 December 2012 (UTC) ::The current version of the article is "wrong version". Were deleted information and sources, and you protect the article. Now it is impossible to return the deleted information. Opponents have no weighty arguments and they simply remove the information without providing any source. Please return the pre-conflict version with the sources (right version). [[User:Rs4815|Rs4815]] ([[User talk:Rs4815|talk]]) 15:10, 29 December 2012 (UTC) :::No. I will not revert to anyone's preferred version on a page that is protected. To do so would be an abuse of my ability to edit pages while they are protected. Do not mistake the humour in that article I linked for whimsicalness; it's a serious commentary on the fact that that every time a page is protected due to edit warring, by definition someone will ''always'' think it's the wrong version. It's not my place to decide who that is. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 15:59, 29 December 2012 (UTC) == [[User:Chromium Oxide]] == I was confused about your post in this SPI[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Hackneyhound&diff=530236700&oldid=530230216]. Was there some mistake I made or maybe I'm not understanding the context of the comment? It sounds like you didn't think he was a sock, but you still checked. If there is some mistake I made, I would want to know about it. Well, other than picking the master, I was short on time, using TW and it wouldn't allow me to put him as both for some reason. [[User:Dennis Brown|<b>Dennis Brown</b>]] - [[User talk:Dennis Brown|<small>2&cent;</small>]] [[Special:Contributions/Dennis_Brown|<small>&copy;</small>]] <small><b>[[WP:WikiProject Editor Retention|Join WER]]</b></small> 12:18, 29 December 2012 (UTC) :It's hard to say exactly what happened without [[WP:BEANS|stuffing beans up my nose]]. In short, I lacked a reference point for the check. If that's not clear, I can explain to you privately sometime. Courcelles's conclusion should be the one that's taken, and mine discarded. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 12:45, 29 December 2012 (UTC) ::I think I get it. I almost never dropping single unmatched socks and understand it is hard to play connect the dots with only one dot, but this was one of those screaming duck cases that needed eyeballs on it. I just wanted to verify that the problem was technical, not my judgement. I almost never get feedback on clerking, good or bad. Thanks for the quick reply. [[User:Dennis Brown|<b>Dennis Brown</b>]] - [[User talk:Dennis Brown|<small>2&cent;</small>]] [[Special:Contributions/Dennis_Brown|<small>&copy;</small>]] <small><b>[[WP:WikiProject Editor Retention|Join WER]]</b></small> 12:58, 29 December 2012 (UTC) == Evildoer187 and Ubikwit == Just not sure theses editors will ever fit in here. At the very least we should force some sort of separation of interaction between these two. [[User:Moxy|Moxy]] ([[User talk:Moxy|talk]]) 21:40, 29 December 2012 (UTC) :That could be arranged, but I'd say we're not quite there yet. Perhaps something like that will happen if Ubikwit files an arbitration case. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 22:29, 29 December 2012 (UTC) ::Please see my Talk page, especially the section titled "Colonialism article revisited". I think the time for an [[WP:IBAN|interaction ban]] may have come. —&nbsp;[[User:Malik Shabazz|Malik Shabazz]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Malik Shabazz|Talk]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Malik Shabazz|Stalk]]</sub> 20:12, 1 January 2013 (UTC) :::They just like reverting each other and accusing each other of things. I'd personally prefer to just block them both, but an interaction ban would be a first step more people would be happy with I suppose. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 03:08, 2 January 2013 (UTC) == Privacy policy and SPI == Hello deskana, and Happy New Year! I was wondering if you could point out the relevant WP policy that discusses the issue of linking IPs to users with respect to SPI investigations. Thanks.--[[User:Ubikwit|Ubikwit]] ([[User talk:Ubikwit|talk]]) 08:51, 1 January 2013 (UTC)Ubikwit :Potentially identifying information (such as the IP of a user) cannot be released except in the most extreme of circumstances. Read [[m:Privacy policy#Access to and release of personally identifiable information]]. Once again, this is only incidentally relevant to your case as not only did you actually never even request a checkuser (I checked this yesterday), but you had insufficient evidence for one anyway. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 17:49, 1 January 2013 (UTC) == Filing a report on administrators noticeboard == It is clear to me that I am being harassed and wiki-hounded by Ubikwit, and I am ready to take formal action against him on these charges. He is making this a much more stressful and intimidating experience than it needs to be, and I have reached my wits end here. I will not tolerate this abuse anymore. How do I file a report?[[User:Evildoer187|Evildoer187]] ([[User talk:Evildoer187|talk]]) 17:45, 1 January 2013 (UTC) :Go to [[WP:ANI]] and write your complaint. You'll need a lot of proof to have your complaint taken seriously though. I don't think there's enough for any administrator to act. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 17:48, 1 January 2013 (UTC) ::Long term or short term? Forgive me if these questions are stupid. I have never done this before. And frankly, I don't know what else to do at this point.[[User:Evildoer187|Evildoer187]] ([[User talk:Evildoer187|talk]]) 19:03, 1 January 2013 (UTC) :::Evidence is evidence. Doesn't matter when it was. More recent is better, of course. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 03:15, 2 January 2013 (UTC) == Patience == In case I haven't mentioned it recently, you have a superhuman quantity of patience. '''[[User:MBisanz|<span style='color: #FFFF00;background-color: #0000FF;'>MBisanz</span>]]''' <sup>[[User talk:MBisanz|<span style='color: #FFA500;'>talk</span>]]</sup> 03:12, 2 January 2013 (UTC) :That's funny, some people say the opposite sometimes! But, seriously, thanks. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 03:14, 2 January 2013 (UTC) == Semi-Urgent== All fixed in IRC [[User:PeterWesco|PeterWesco]] ([[User talk:PeterWesco|talk]]) 06:02, 2 January 2013 (UTC) :I was asleep but I left myself logged in to IRC. My apologies. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 11:22, 2 January 2013 (UTC) == ''The Signpost'': 31 December 2012 == <div style="-moz-column-count:2; -webkit-column-count:2; column-count:2;"> {{Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2012-12-31}} </div><!--Volume 8, Issue 01--> <div class="hlist" style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;"> * '''[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost|Read this Signpost in full]]''' * [[Wikipedia:Signpost/Single|Single-page]] * [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Subscribe|Unsubscribe]] * [[User:EdwardsBot|EdwardsBot]] ([[User talk:EdwardsBot|talk]]) 08:24, 2 January 2013 (UTC) </div> <!-- EdwardsBot 0430 --> == Thank you == It feels as though I've just been relieved of a huge burden. Now if you could just provide me with a list of articles to avoid, I will be on my way. Cheers.[[User:Evildoer187|Evildoer187]] ([[User talk:Evildoer187|talk]]) 01:11, 4 January 2013 (UTC) :Please see [[WP:ARBPIA]] for more information. An example: most administrators would probably consider the article [[Israel]] to be okay for you to edit, as long as you didn't edit anything in the article related the Arab-Israeli conflict. "When in doubt, assume it is related", says ARBPIA. It's up to you to steer clear of the topic, so don't expect to be warned if you violate the ban. There's so many articles on Wikipedia that there's plenty for you to do while doing so. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 01:17, 4 January 2013 (UTC) ::Would it be ok if I informed some people at [[WT:JUDAISM]] of the dispute taking place at the colonialism article? Malik recommended earlier that I should do that, but now that the ban is in place.....eh. Anyway, I will petition for the lifting of the ban at a later time, when I feel as though I can edit these articles without losing my cool. Not an easy thing to do, when you are an Israeli.[[User:Evildoer187|Evildoer187]] ([[User talk:Evildoer187|talk]]) 01:23, 4 January 2013 (UTC) :::I can't keep answering questions about what your topic ban applies to and what it does not, otherwise you'll be checking with me before you make every single edit. It may not appear so due to what I'm doing not being a publicly logged action, but I'm actually doing something behind the scenes on Wikipedia right now, and I can't afford to be constantly interrupted. This is the final thing I have to say on the matter: Before making an edit, ask yourself "Is this edit related to the Arab-Israeli conflict?". Based on the answer to that question, you know whether you should be making the edit or not. FYI, if you're incapable of telling whether the edits you're making are related to the conflict or not, then you're clearly not going to be able to stick to the ban and a block will ensue to minimise damage to Wikipedia. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 01:28, 4 January 2013 (UTC) Could you please look at this edits [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:ZScarpia&diff=prev&oldid=531292272] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Nableezy&diff=prev&oldid=531223059] as I think ubikwit might have broken his IBAN as he talked about other editor and his TBAN too.--[[user:Shrike|Shrike]] ([[User talk:Shrike|talk]])/[[WP:RX]] 19:28, 4 January 2013 (UTC) :I see that topic ban that you gave to editors is only it article/talk space the usual scope is all [[wp:namespaces]].--[[user:Shrike|Shrike]] ([[User talk:Shrike|talk]])/[[WP:RX]] 20:34, 4 January 2013 (UTC) ::I'm too busy to look at this right now. Report it to [[WP:ANI]] if you think it's a violation of the interaction ban and [[WP:AE]] if you think it's a violation of the topic ban. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 01:00, 5 January 2013 (UTC) :::Regarding the last bit, I can always extend the ban to all namespaces under the discretionary sanctions if it turns out to be necessary. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 12:01, 5 January 2013 (UTC) == When you have a chance == In case your decision to impose sanctions at that point had been influenced by the statement of Nableezy on the ANI page, he has admitted that he mistook some comments/sources posted on the Colonialism Talk page he was addressing as being made by me when they weren't by me. [[User_talk:Nableezy#Colonialism_2]] I'd misunderstood the parameters of the IBAN (extending to User Talk pages) in discussing the issue with Nableezy at first , so I deleted nonconforming references that were made with respect to Nableezy's ANI comment relative to that article and Talk page.--[[User:Ubikwit|Ubikwit]] ([[User talk:Ubikwit|talk]]) 10:12, 5 January 2013 (UTC) :I'm really not interested in any of this. If you want to appeal the bans for whatever reason then go ahead and do so, although I doubt the community will appreciate your appealing a ban only a few days after it was given to you. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 11:57, 5 January 2013 (UTC) ::No rush. ::I see that Shrike has complained about my responding to [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Jerusalem&diff=531260801&oldid=531260652 this] on the questioners user talk page. I assume that in view of the scope of the topic ban sanction that it would be acceptable to continue that specific discussion there, correct?--[[User:Ubikwit|Ubikwit]] ([[User talk:Ubikwit|talk]]) 12:50, 5 January 2013 (UTC) :::I will repeat what I said to Evildoer187. I can't keep answering questions about what your topic ban applies to and what it does not, otherwise you'll be checking with me before you make every single edit. This is the final thing I have to say on the matter: Before making an edit, ask yourself "Is this edit related to the Arab-Israeli conflict?". Based on the answer to that question, you know whether you should be making the edit or not. FYI, if you're incapable of telling whether the edits you're making are related to the conflict or not, then you're clearly not going to be able to stick to the ban and a block will ensue to minimise damage to Wikipedia. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 12:54, 5 January 2013 (UTC) ==Talkback== {{talkback|Guerillero|ts=03:11, 7 January 2013 (UTC)}} [[User:Guerillero|<font color="#0b0080">Guerillero</font>]] &#124; [[User_talk:Guerillero|<font color="green">My Talk</font>]] 03:11, 7 January 2013 (UTC) == Crat statement draft == Hi Following the drama at BN, I'm trying to come up with a statement all Crats could agree to. Please take a look, below. I am quite content to do this onwiki -we have always worked transparently, except where secrecy is essential (ie RTV). I think we should be able to wordsmith a statement acceptable to all, and I think it's an important thing to do. # In my opinion, this issue has come about through an unfortunate proliferation of documentation: policy, guideline, how-to etc # I am not convinced that there is community consensus on all of the points encapsulated in those various pages # I am unhappy at what may be described as some or all of: inconsistencies, inaccuracies or lack of clarity in that documentation # I do not believe that any of the issues we have faced have been caused by Crats trying to widen their powers # I would like to see the issues clarified, based on consensus, and for the documentation to be updated accordingly # I'd like to thank Griot-de for generously withdrawing the rename request Signed [crat sig] Lmk what you think. Many thanks, --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] ([[User talk:Dweller|talk]]) 10:55, 7 January 2013 (UTC) ==De Facto SPI== The section you collapsed had my diffs in it. This is what this person ''always'' does – drags something out until it's unreadable. I'm just trying to find where this guy accused me of [[confirmation bias]] in exactly the same way as he's just done to someone else today, but I'm wondering if there's any point. Curatrice and MeasureIT are so obviously the same person as Eff Won, it's blinding. I don't mean to have a pop at you but this editor makes working on Wikipedia a total pain in the backside. I'm ''so'' bored of trawling through the contributions of all these socks trying to find diffs to get the latest sock blocked. Maybe we should all just let him edit. [[User:Bretonbanquet|Bretonbanquet]] ([[User talk:Bretonbanquet|talk]]) 20:02, 7 January 2013 (UTC) :As you can see from my comment, that case is sorely missing diffs. If you've provided some in that section, I will attempt to find them. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 20:04, 7 January 2013 (UTC) ::There aren't many because Curatrice has only been around for a short time, and he's clever enough to avoid F1 articles, which were all Eff Won ever edited. De Facto also edited F1 articles. But the debating "style" is identical, and it's hard to provide diffs beyond a comparison between various endless arguments like the one you just collapsed. I guess it's because I've spent so long arguing with him that it sticks out like a sore thumb. To an outsider it may not be so clear, I accept that. [[User:Bretonbanquet|Bretonbanquet]] ([[User talk:Bretonbanquet|talk]]) 20:09, 7 January 2013 (UTC) == Evildoer187 == Please could you have a word with Evildoer187? His editing on anodyne and neutral articles (I witnessed his editing on [[Ethnic groups in Europe]]) has been unsourced and agenda-driven, reverted by multiple editors. I advised him that he could not use wikipedia articles as sources for other wikipedia articles. His reaction was not very encouraging and I fear that he is heading towards a community ban. That's just how it appears to me. [[User:Mathsci|Mathsci]] ([[User talk:Mathsci|talk]]) 15:21, 8 January 2013 (UTC) :Check the talk page on the article. I have reverted my edits there, and anyone who wants to discuss it can feel free to do so. I just thought my edits were obvious enough that they didn't need sources, but it appears I was wrong and I apologize for that.[[User:Evildoer187|Evildoer187]] ([[User talk:Evildoer187|talk]]) 15:25, 8 January 2013 (UTC) ::The whole pattern of editing on [[White people]], [[Ethnic groups in Europe]], <s>[[German people]]</s> [[Germans]], etc, has been problematic. [[User:Mathsci|Mathsci]] ([[User talk:Mathsci|talk]]) 15:35, 8 January 2013 (UTC) <small>with correction. [[User:Mathsci|Mathsci]] ([[User talk:Mathsci|talk]]) 16:09, 8 January 2013 (UTC)</small> :::I haven't made ''any'' edits on German people, so what are you talking about. I participated in the discussion, but that's it. As for the White people article, that was more of a disagreement over terminology than anything else. I put in "Southwest Asia" so as to narrow it down from the more broad "Middle East", because the Middle East also encompasses Northern Africa and the paragraph in question was about immigrants from Asia. Of course, my revision there was met with hostility and accusations of agenda pushing. I made another mistake there, which I have since reverted upon recognition of it.[[User:Evildoer187|Evildoer187]] ([[User talk:Evildoer187|talk]]) 15:48, 8 January 2013 (UTC) :::You know what? I think I'm just gonna pull back from editing for a while. It has become apparent that I am just not in a good mindset for editing right now.[[User:Evildoer187|Evildoer187]] ([[User talk:Evildoer187|talk]]) 15:58, 8 January 2013 (UTC) == ''The Signpost'': 07 January 2013 == <div style="-moz-column-count:2; -webkit-column-count:2; column-count:2;"> {{Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2013-01-07}} </div><!--Volume 9, Issue 02--> <div class="hlist" style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;"> * '''[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost|Read this Signpost in full]]''' * [[Wikipedia:Signpost/Single|Single-page]] * [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Subscribe|Unsubscribe]] * [[User:EdwardsBot|EdwardsBot]] ([[User talk:EdwardsBot|talk]]) 15:17, 9 January 2013 (UTC) </div> <!-- EdwardsBot 0434 --> == Turkey == Hi Deskana. I've just been looking at a protected edit request at the [[Turkey]] article, and I was wondering if you would be willing to reduce the protection level to semi-protection. There hasn't been any new discussion about the disputed content since January 1, so it doesn't look like a consensus will be reached there any time soon. I think it would be best to reduce protection and start handing out blocks if the edit warring continues. Does this sound like a reasonable solution, do you think? Best — '''''[[User:Mr. Stradivarius|<span style="color: #194D00; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif">Mr. Stradivarius</span>]]''''' <sup>([[User talk:Mr. Stradivarius|have a chat]])</sup> 19:33, 9 January 2013 (UTC) :I was actually coming here to ask the very same thing. Deskana, we've spoken before a number of years ago, although I'm not sure if you remember me &mdash; I went by the name "Master&Expert" at the time. I was in the midst of reading articles pertaining to the [[Ottoman Empire]], and naturally I wound up wandering onto the present-day nation state's page, only to find that it's currently locked from editing. Knowing that full protection is ''generally'' only used in circumstances where edit warring has occurred and individual blocks would not bring the situation to a resolution, I decided to check the article history to see what's been going on. Yes, there's been a lot of tendentious editing of the article in recent times, and I can back protecting it for a while. But I think now would be a good time to downgrade the protection level for Turkey, my reasons being the same as those given by [[User:Mr. Stradivarius|Mr. Stradivarius]]. If the tendentious editing persists, then we may need to start considering editor-specific sanctions. [[User:Kurtis|Kurtis]] [[User talk:Kurtis|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 22:37, 10 January 2013 (UTC) ::I don't have the time to police the page. If someone actually does start edit warring then I'm not going to be able to help you and you'll have to seek help elsewhere. Are you sure you're alright with that? --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 08:39, 11 January 2013 (UTC) :::Yes, that's fine by me. [[User:Kurtis|Kurtis]] [[User talk:Kurtis|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 10:50, 11 January 2013 (UTC) ::::I've gone ahead and reduced the protection. I'll keep an eye on the article, so you (Deskana) don't have to worry about it being policed. — '''''[[User:Mr. Stradivarius|<span style="color: #194D00; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif">Mr. Stradivarius</span>]]''''' <sup>[[User talk:Mr. Stradivarius|♪ talk ♪]]</sup> 10:11, 13 January 2013 (UTC) ==Talkback== {{talkback|Avs5221|ts=21:43, 9 January 2013 (UTC)}} [[User:Avs5221|avs5221]]<sup>([[User talk:Avs5221|talk]]&#124;[[Special:Contributions/Avs5221|contrib]])</sup> 21:43, 9 January 2013 (UTC) == Just an FYI == I made a post at the [[WP:RD/E|entertainment reference desk]] regarding an issue with which you have been involved. The discussion can be found [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Entertainment#2013_East_Asian_Games here]. I specifically mentioned a post you made on the talk page of an indefinitely blocked editor, so I figured it'd be appropriate for me to notify you of the thread. Take care. [[User:Kurtis|Kurtis]] [[User talk:Kurtis|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 02:28, 15 January 2013 (UTC) == ''The Signpost'': 14 January 2013 == <div style="-moz-column-count:2; -webkit-column-count:2; column-count:2;"> {{Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2013-01-14}} </div><!--Volume 9, Issue 03--> <div class="hlist" style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;"> * '''[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost|Read this Signpost in full]]''' * [[Wikipedia:Signpost/Single|Single-page]] * [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Subscribe|Unsubscribe]] * [[User:EdwardsBot|EdwardsBot]] ([[User talk:EdwardsBot|talk]]) 16:45, 16 January 2013 (UTC) </div> <!-- EdwardsBot 0440 --> == SPI == You were the checkuer for [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/skiracer25]]. Confused by your statement. I thought checkuser was to provide additional information to confirm/deny cases where there was not definitive evidence. In DUCK cases would it not be better than just relying on coincidence? [[User:Gaijin42|Gaijin42]] ([[User talk:Gaijin42|talk]]) 00:04, 18 January 2013 (UTC) :This is why I absolutely hate the [[WP:DUCK]] page because it leads to misunderstandings like this one. [[WP:DUCK]] does not say "If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then you'd better check it's a duck because you might be wrong". If you're citing [[WP:DUCK]] then I'm just going to deny the case; you've already, by linking that page, told me that the connection is obvious. To quote the page "The duck test allows us to consider it an obvious sock-puppet, and act in consequence". This is why the case was tagged as unnecessary; you'd already said that they were obvious sockpuppets, so me running the check would be pointless. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 00:43, 18 January 2013 (UTC) == Account merging == Good morning, Deskana.</br> I'm an admin on the Italian version of Wikipedia and I've been editing pages since 2002. Unfortunately I couldn't merge [http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Ariel my account] in all the versions of this project, e.g. the English one. I'm logged as §Ariel instead of Ariel here in fact. Now I noticed that the [[User:Ariel]] page and its [[User talk:Ariel|talk]] were deleted and that user has not any contributes at all. So I wonder whether it is possible to merge §Ariel in Ariel. You can write me back [http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Ariel on my Italian talk page]. Thanks in advance. Have a nice day! --[[User:§Ariel|§Ariel]] ([[User talk:§Ariel|talk]]) 15:08, 19 January 2013 (UTC) :Thanks! I just posted a request. I hope I did not make any mistake. :-) --[[User:§Ariel|§Ariel]] ([[User talk:§Ariel|talk]]) 15:35, 19 January 2013 (UTC) == Well, nuts. == Hey, Deskana! So, I had gone to [[User:Maydewsl]], intending to block as an obvious sock, but i decided to wait on the CU results. When WilliamH declined, I went ahead and blocked, but after doing so, I saw that you said it's unrelated...so what happens now? Unblock? I still find it hard to believe that a completely innocent account finds their way to that AfD as their only edit, voting "per IronKnuckle" within ten minutes of registering and two hours of the AfD being created. [[User:Writ Keeper|Writ Keeper]] [[User Talk: Writ Keeper|&#9863;]][[Special:Contributions/Writ_Keeper|&#9812;]] 17:15, 22 January 2013 (UTC) :Although it may not appear so at first, mine and WilliamH's evaluations of the case are not mutually exclusive. People don't just appear and support AfDs like that. I agree that it's almost certainly a sock of someone, I just don't know who. If they give us an unblock request it can be evaluated. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 17:18, 22 January 2013 (UTC) ::Heh, okay. I guess that, despite my fervent wishes, CU has obstinately persisted in its refusal to be magic pixie dust. :) I'll keep the page on my watchlist in case an unblock request is forthcoming. [[User:Writ Keeper|Writ Keeper]] [[User Talk: Writ Keeper|&#9863;]][[Special:Contributions/Writ_Keeper|&#9812;]] 17:21, 22 January 2013 (UTC) :::I believe he has made an unblock request, but may have done it incorrectly. If CU came back unrelated, is one AFD comment really sufficient evidence for a duck block? [[User:Gaijin42|Gaijin42]] ([[User talk:Gaijin42|talk]]) 17:25, 22 January 2013 (UTC) ::::That's not for me to decide. I will not act as judge, jury and executioner on checkuser cases. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 17:28, 22 January 2013 (UTC) == ''The Signpost'': 21 January 2013 == <div style="-moz-column-count:2; -webkit-column-count:2; column-count:2;"> {{Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2013-01-21}} </div><!--Volume 9, Issue 04--> <div class="hlist" style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;"> * '''[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost|Read this Signpost in full]]''' * [[Wikipedia:Signpost/Single|Single-page]] * [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Subscribe|Unsubscribe]] * [[User:EdwardsBot|EdwardsBot]] ([[User talk:EdwardsBot|talk]]) 01:16, 24 January 2013 (UTC) </div> <!-- EdwardsBot 0446 --> == RTI Investigates WikiPedia == Dear Sir Madam Radio Tatras International, RTI, via the Slovak studio (please check the IP) has been contacted by a number of listeners due to the spat on WikiPedia. Below a very cordial exchange with another admin. Please delete if you feel better about it. Therefore, can I ask you the same questions as posed to your colleague. I am happy to share that we have coached T2G Students in radio interview, worked with some as work-experience students (radio is only one aspect of our overall business) I will be happy state in a skype call, should you wish, how much miss-information is being peddled by those editing Train2Game. There is an interesting side to this for you, since the new regulations came in controlling any we content with a UK office and/or editorial control, many companies no longer fill there sites with hundreds of claims. It is easy to see this working with Train2Game. repeatedly one Admin has claimed Train2game is another company whilst saying it was former by two companies - further he always took out the reference to City and Guilds - I have evidence of this. As an friendly FYI, Google Train2Game City and Guilds and watch the Youtube video by City and Guilds on the subject. Respectfully yours RTI Hi Wehwalt Thanks for trying with the Train2Game page. I tried to make correct amendments after being advised of the incorrect entry by listeners. I fear your efforts are pointless. The reason, even when those not embroiled in the war of words edit the page, David replaces the entry with miss-information. Which tells us, the complaint we received against Wikipedia is genuine. As the person who tried, we would like to invite you to explain how this works. As there is no email for you, please send your email explaining the complaints procedure you followed for the attention of "RTI Investigates Wikipedia" via studio@rti.fm which is on the air. The wiki page has miss-information on RTI as well - never mind. Regards TEAM RTI - N.B. you will find the IP is Slovakia. RTI also likes to remind contributors that if it feels miss represented in shows it can lodge a complaint with OFCOM where RTI remains licensed to broadcast A copy of this note has been retained on file — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.112.79.171 (talk) 17:55, 27 January 2013 (UTC) Since I gather my protection of the page was not universally applauded, I think it would be better if another admin made the next move.--Wehwalt (talk) 18:06, 27 January 2013 (UTC) So you mean that if someone wants to add miss information you simply agree - there are thousands of Train2Game students with a large number already contacting us. If you still feel unable to comments on the specifics of this issue can you share the procedures for blocking a user for sharing miss information and who does one report this to, the person with the responsibility to amend content and ban offending users please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.112.79.171 (talk) 18:17, 27 January 2013 (UTC) The place to discuss incorrect information in the article is the talk page of the article. You don't seem to have written anything there yet. Incidentally, you should be careful with your comments about complaining to OFCOM - such comments could constitute a threat to take action off Wikipedia, and may get you blocked from editing according to Wikipedia's WP:NLT policy. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 18:26, 27 January 2013 (UTC) The OFCOM statement is good practice - contributors should be made aware that if they feel there was a wrong doing they have a right to complain about the offending comments made. Thank you for the comments about WikiPedia policy, very interesting — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.112.79.171 (talk) 18:33, 27 January 2013 (UTC) You may not be aware OFCOM is the broadcast regulator in the UK. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.112.79.171 (talk) 18:36, 27 January 2013 (UTC) <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/188.112.79.171|188.112.79.171]] ([[User talk:188.112.79.171|talk]]) </span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> :What are you even asking me here? Your message is badly formatted, contains content copied from another page, and has no clear point. If you've got something to ask me, please do so explicitly. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 18:55, 27 January 2013 (UTC) EXCUSE ME - the formatting is due to WikiePedia not me - I was sharing information to bring you up to speed. OK to simplicity. RTI Listeners want to know why WikiPedia is allowing untruths and miss information to be posted on the Train2Game page of WikiPedia? The listeners are students. Regards RTI <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/188.112.79.171|188.112.79.171]] ([[User talk:188.112.79.171|talk]]) 19:09, 27 January 2013 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> :So you open your interview with a [[loaded question]]? I expect better if you wish to convince me to comment. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 20:26, 27 January 2013 (UTC) [[Radio Tatras International]] is not a broadcaster any more. It's now a podcaster - [[User:David Gerard|David Gerard]] ([[User talk:David Gerard|talk]]) 23:04, 27 January 2013 (UTC) : I'm really not trying to convince you to comment, I am giving you the opportunity. If you do not wish to comment then that's what will stated. David, with respect is relying on content from Wikipedia which is also not accurate - a trip to the web site would prove that. I can't imagine why he didn't bother to check the referenced web site as he could have then updated the page to be accurate. RTI will not be updating pages on Wikipedia. Regards RTI <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/84.16.42.254|84.16.42.254]] ([[User talk:84.16.42.254|talk]]) 13:24, 28 January 2013 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> ==You've got mail!== {{you've got mail|subject=|ts=21:53, 28 January 2013 (UTC)}} [[User:Pol430|<font color="#00008B">'''Pol430'''</font>]] [[User talk:Pol430|<font color="#9966CC">''talk to me''</font>]] 21:53, 28 January 2013 (UTC) == AfC == hello, please could you re-review my article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Men%27s_Fitness_Germany I have added more references thanks [[User:Perrymanku|Perrymanku]] ([[User talk:Perrymanku|talk]]) 12:12, 29 January 2013 (UTC) :[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk%3AArticles_for_creation%2FMen%27s_Fitness_Germany&diff=535497838&oldid=535377175 No you haven't]. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 12:14, 29 January 2013 (UTC) :In fact, based on your three AfC submissions you have demonstrated quite clearly that you do not understand our referencing process. It has been suggested to you multiple times that you read [[WP:VRS]] but you do not appear to have done so. I would suggest you do not waste any more time on submissions that will not get approved due to poor references. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 12:17, 29 January 2013 (UTC) == ''The Signpost'': 28 January 2013 == <div style="-moz-column-count:2; -webkit-column-count:2; column-count:2;"> {{Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2013-01-28}} </div><!--Volume 9, Issue 05--> <div class="hlist" style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;"> * '''[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost|Read this Signpost in full]]''' * [[Wikipedia:Signpost/Single|Single-page]] * [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Subscribe|Unsubscribe]] * [[User:EdwardsBot|EdwardsBot]] ([[User talk:EdwardsBot|talk]]) 20:22, 30 January 2013 (UTC) </div> <!-- EdwardsBot 0452 --> == ''The Signpost'': 04 February 2013 == <div style="-moz-column-count:2; -webkit-column-count:2; column-count:2;"> {{Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2013-02-04}} </div><!--Volume 9, Issue 06--> <div class="hlist" style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;"> * '''[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost|Read this Signpost in full]]''' * [[Wikipedia:Signpost/Single|Single-page]] * [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Subscribe|Unsubscribe]] * [[User:EdwardsBot|EdwardsBot]] ([[User talk:EdwardsBot|talk]]) 04:01, 6 February 2013 (UTC) </div> <!-- EdwardsBot 0456 --> == Youve got mail! == {{you've got mail}} [[User:Nick Thorne|<font color = "darkblue">'''Nick Thorne'''</font>]] [[User talk:Nick Thorne|<font color = "darkblue"><sup>''talk''</sup></font>]] 21:26, 6 February 2013 (UTC) ==Training the Trainers== Hi Deskana, we're looking to finalise numbers and I just wanted to confirm that you're still interested in attending the event on 23-24th February? Thanks, [[User:Richard Nevell (WMUK)|Richard Nevell (WMUK)]] ([[User talk:Richard Nevell (WMUK)|talk]]) 20:14, 8 February 2013 (UTC) :Hi Richard, I'm still interested in attending if there's space for me. Thanks! --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 20:19, 8 February 2013 (UTC) ::Thanks. As 18 people have registered their interest and there's only space for 12 we're in the process of chasing up who can come and who would need accommodation (arranged by Wikimedia UK). I'm assuming given your comments on the event talk page that you would not need accommodation. Would that be correct? [[User:Richard Nevell (WMUK)|Richard Nevell (WMUK)]] ([[User talk:Richard Nevell (WMUK)|talk]]) 12:32, 11 February 2013 (UTC) :::That is correct. I live in Manchester city centre. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 13:31, 11 February 2013 (UTC) Hi Deskana, the details of the venue are now on the [[:wmuk:Training_the_Trainers/February_2013_event|UK wiki]]. [[User:Richard Nevell (WMUK)|Richard Nevell (WMUK)]] ([[User talk:Richard Nevell (WMUK)|talk]]) 13:56, 12 February 2013 (UTC) :That's not Manchester, that's Salford! There's a difference! </mancunian> In seriousness, the walk from my flat will take me past Victoria station so if anyone is arriving to Manchester there on Saturday morning I could meet them and walk to the venue with them. I imagine they'll be arriving on Friday night though? Still, let me know if you'd like me to do that. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 14:21, 12 February 2013 (UTC) ::We've finalised the list of attendees and you're amongst the 12. See you there! [[User:Richard Nevell (WMUK)|Richard Nevell (WMUK)]] ([[User talk:Richard Nevell (WMUK)|talk]]) 11:27, 13 February 2013 (UTC) {{ygm}} [[User:Richard Nevell (WMUK)|Richard Nevell (WMUK)]] ([[User talk:Richard Nevell (WMUK)|talk]]) 15:33, 13 February 2013 (UTC) == Clarification == Dear Deskana, your name has been mentioned unnecessarily in an ARE discussion together with mine. According to what is claimed there, "''I assume you are a sock of the user I assumed was socking''" (sic). I am sure that if you saw this you only laughed. Even so I would like to clarify here publicly that I never had any doubt about neither yourself nor any other WP admin who are check users. I can imagine that being a check user is a huge resposibility and I have no doubt the best people are chosen for this function; therefore I have full confidence on each and every one of them. I would sincerely like to apologise you for this unlucky referral of your user name. Thanks for your time and effort in trying to make WP a better place, discovering dishonest users. Greetings and best wishes. Take care. --[[User:E4024|E4024]] ([[User talk:E4024|talk]]) 10:06, 10 February 2013 (UTC) :It is quite humorous. Either way, you need not trouble yourself about my reaction to it. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 13:39, 11 February 2013 (UTC) == [[User:Ardram3]] == You can now give it the required flag.—[[User:C678|<span style="color:pink;font-family:Neuropol">cyberpower]] <sub style="color:olive;font-family:arnprior">Online</sub>[[User talk:C678|<sup style="margin-left:-6.1ex;color:olive;font-family:arnprior">Be my Valentine]] 15:09, 12 February 2013 (UTC) == ''The Signpost'': 11 February 2013 == <div style="-moz-column-count:2; -webkit-column-count:2; column-count:2;"> {{Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2013-02-11}} </div><!--Volume 9, Issue 07--> <div class="hlist" style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;"> * '''[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost|Read this Signpost in full]]''' * [[Wikipedia:Signpost/Single|Single-page]] * [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Subscribe|Unsubscribe]] * [[User:EdwardsBot|EdwardsBot]] ([[User talk:EdwardsBot|talk]]) 10:15, 13 February 2013 (UTC) </div> <!-- EdwardsBot 0461 --> == A cupcake for you! == {| style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;" |style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;" | [[File:Choco-Nut Bake with Meringue Top cropped.jpg|120px]] |style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Awwwww :-) All the way from Liverpool. 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Hulbert}} *{{User|FlakyDiscord}} *{{User|Discorded Flaky}} *{{User|84.12.14.53}} <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:194.83.68.229|194.83.68.229]] ([[User talk:194.83.68.229|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/194.83.68.229|contribs]]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> :I have no idea what you're talking about, I'm afraid. Who's Wagner? --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 16:18, 13 March 2013 (UTC) ::[[User:Wagner]]. A sockpuppeteer. [[Special:Contributions/194.83.68.229|194.83.68.229]] ([[User talk:194.83.68.229|talk]]) 12:33, 14 March 2013 (UTC) :::I see. Well, you should file an SPI case. Due to my Ombudsman Commission appointment, I am refraining from routine use of checkuser. Plus, I don't check accounts just because someone posts a collection of them on my talk page and says "Could be socks". --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 12:37, 14 March 2013 (UTC) ::::I can't file an SPI case due to the page being protected. [[Special:Contributions/194.83.68.229|194.83.68.229]] ([[User talk:194.83.68.229|talk]]) 12:43, 14 March 2013 (UTC) :::::That's unfortunate. In that case, you should contact an [[WP:Sockpuppet investigations/SPI/Clerks|clerk]] to assist you in filing a case. For the reasons listed above, I am unable to do so. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 17:04, 14 March 2013 (UTC) ==Hi== Thank you for blocking IP 87.232.1.48 as I suspected all along I was right concerning the IP. Just for the record I can tell you that I suspected the IPs 134.226.254.178 and 87.232.101.49 was used by the IP for quite some time so good that someone finally did something. I am quite certain also that user page MaxxFordham is used of IP 87.232.1.48 and if so a attempt to give the illusion of consensus at a discussion on the [[Killing of Travis Alexander]] article has been taken place. Thank you again.--[[User:BabbaQ|BabbaQ]] ([[User talk:BabbaQ|talk]]) 13:44, 17 March 2013 (UTC) == Help for investigation in sqwiki == Hello Deskana, I'm writing this request to you because you're currently part of [[:meta:Ombudsman_commission|Ombudsman commission]]. My nick is [[:sq:User:Euriditi|Euriditi]], an administrator in [[:sq:Faqja_kryesore|Albanian Wikipedia]] ([http://sq.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Speciale%3ARreshtoP%C3%ABrdoruesit&username=&group=sysop&editsOnly=1&limit=50 verify]). It's been almost two weeks now that in ours community a group of users had been discussing harshly and taking personal attacks to each other about a couple of articles (regarding political figures of Albania's history). The situation escalated quickly, they also accused each-other for using [[Wikipedia:Sock puppetry|Sock puppet]] accounts, violating [[Wikipedia:List_of_guidelines#Behavioral|community standards]] in order to support in discussion pages and our Village Pump their personal ides. Personally, I think that these suspicions stands, because new, unxeperienced users (created only hours ago) start to discuss old issues. This is really strange for our small wiki community. We also [[:sq:Wikipedia:Kontrolluesit_e_adresave_IP/kandidimet|organised a voting to elect a Check user]], but the voting process will take much time and this case is very sensitive. All I fear is that this might become a potential disruption for our community. So, our community express the will that Ombudsman commission must investigate this case. The investigation should be done for all the users who commented and expressed opinions in these sections of Village Pump [[:sq:WP:Kuvendi#Diskutoni se ç'duhet bërë me artikuj të dyshimtë si Lufta Civile 1943-1944|Diskutoni se ç'duhet bërë me artikuj të dyshimtë si Lufta Civile 1943-1944]], [[:sq:WP:Kuvendi#OFERTE PER PAQTIM!!!!|OFERTE PER PAQTIM!!!!]] and [[:sq:WP:Kuvendi#Paralajmërim ndaj Babagjysh për fjalët e pista dhe vandalizmat e bëra nga ai|Paralajmërim ndaj Babagjysh për fjalët e pista dhe vandalizmat e bëra nga ai]] because these are the sections where suspected Sock puppet commented. To conclude the users that should be investigated are: *'''[[:sq:User:Tetovo boy|User:Tetovo boy]]''' *'''[[:sq:User:Adriatik Çela|User:Adriatik Çela]]''' *'''[[:sq:User:Arb.iter|User:Arb.iter]]''' *[[:sq:User:Babagjysh|User:Babagjysh]] *[[:sq:User:Euriditi|User:Euriditi]] (including me) *[[:sq:User:Mr. Pseudo|User:Mr. Pseudo]] *[[:sq:User:Hatake|User:Hatake]] *[[:sq:User:Maja e Lëpjetës|User:Maja e Lëpjetës]] : (* suspected users are in bold) Please investigate this case as soon as possible. For further elucidation you can contact me in sqwiki. The results of this investigation should be posted at our [[:sq:WP:Kuvendi|Village Pump]] - '''[[User:Euriditi|<font style="text-shadow:#000 0.1em 0.1em 0.1em; background: #C44747; color:white;l">&nbsp;Euriditi&nbsp;</font>]]''' 11:08, 19 March 2013 (UTC) :Per this user's request, I responded on his talk page on sqwiki. The response can be seen [http://sq.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=P%C3%ABrdoruesi_diskutim:Euriditi&diff=1298863&oldid=1298802 here]. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 11:39, 19 March 2013 (UTC) :: Thanks a lot. I really appreciate your help. I moved the request at [http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Steward_requests/Checkuser&oldid=5331132#Euriditi.40sq.wiki Steward requests/Checkuser]. --'''[[User:Euriditi|<font style="text-shadow:#000 0.1em 0.1em 0.1em; background: #C44747; color:white;l">&nbsp;Euriditi&nbsp;</font>]]''' 12:12, 19 March 2013 (UTC) == ''The Signpost'': 18 March 2013 == <div style="-moz-column-count:2; -webkit-column-count:2; column-count:2;"> {{Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2013-03-18}} </div><!--Volume 9, Issue 11--> <div class="hlist" style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;"> * '''[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost|Read this Signpost in full]]''' * [[Wikipedia:Signpost/Single|Single-page]] * [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Subscribe|Unsubscribe]] * [[User:EdwardsBot|EdwardsBot]] ([[User talk:EdwardsBot|talk]]) 10:05, 22 March 2013 (UTC) </div> <!-- EdwardsBot 0484 --> == [[Hunter Douglas]] == Hello, you chimed in at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hunter Douglas]]. I've worked on the article, adding references, and think I've removed most traces of COI editing. Would you be willing to take another look? Thanks. [[User:Cullen328|'''<font color="green">Cullen</font>'''<sup><font color="purple">328</font></sup>]] [[User talk:Cullen328|<font color="blue">''Let's discuss it''</font>]] 04:27, 24 March 2013 (UTC) :Still reads as very promotional to me, though it's definitely not as bad as it was. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 22:55, 24 March 2013 (UTC) == Just so you know... == I began my comment before you closed the discussion and didn't get an edit conflict when I hit the save button. Given that this is how the wikimedia software works, I really don't think it was necessary to undo my comment. [[User:Slp1|Slp1]] ([[User talk:Slp1|talk]]) 17:51, 26 March 2013 (UTC) == ''The Signpost'': 25 March 2013 == <div style="-moz-column-count:2; -webkit-column-count:2; column-count:2;"> {{Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2013-03-25}} </div><!--Volume 9, Issue 12--> <div class="hlist" style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;"> * '''[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost|Read this Signpost in full]]''' * [[Wikipedia:Signpost/Single|Single-page]] * [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Subscribe|Unsubscribe]] * [[User:EdwardsBot|EdwardsBot]] ([[User talk:EdwardsBot|talk]]) 01:55, 29 March 2013 (UTC) </div> <!-- EdwardsBot 0488 --> == Not such a great idea == I'm pretty sure we aren't acquainted with each other (if that's the case then, hello! Nice to meet you!), and I know you made this comment with the best of intentions[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Viriditas&curid=25595056&diff=547595543&oldid=547188546], but this editor is eminently unqualified to be working with SPI. He has a history (recent mind you) of accusations of socking against other editors that have no merit, e.g. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Acoma_Magic/Archive#29_December_2012 consider this SPI where Viriditias added Belchfire, a frequent opponent of Viriditas] because one user name is known for "belching fire" and the other username is known to "belch farts". Saedon said ''All of this is massively circumstantial and not even close to enough to be considered a well reasoned argument'' and ''[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Belchfire&diff=next&oldid=530375488 This is one of the more asinine arguments I've seen in a sock accusation. In case anyone is interested, the most asinine was someone accusing [[User:Yobol]] of being sock because "Yobol" is "lobby" backwards. I mean, it's not but even if it was, just holy crap. Too much dopamine.]''. This is not an isolated incident. I of course am a bit biased as you might imagine -- having been accused by Viriditias of being a sock with absolutely zero evidence (with a highly offensive personal attack throw in[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Binksternet&diff=530092885&oldid=530092780] at the same time to boot). Yeah, he got it right this time at ANI, because he used diffs, not specious speculation. Regards.&nbsp;&nbsp;[[User:Little_green_rosetta|<font color="blue">little</font> <font color="green">green rosetta</font>]]{{SubSup||[[Special:Contributions/Little_green_rosetta|central scrutinizer]]|[[User talk:Little green rosetta|(talk)]]}} 11:52, 29 March 2013 (UTC) :Hello. I appreciate your concerns. Let me explain how I see this. If he's capable of clerking properly, then we can use him. Based only on what I've seen myself (which, if I want to be fair and impartial, is all I can use to judge his behaviour), he is. If he's not capable of clerking properly, then that will become evident and we can ask him to stop. I was not offering to let him bypass the process; he'd have to sign up and wait for a trainer to pick him like any other clerk. Hopefully that alleviates your concerns. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 11:57, 29 March 2013 (UTC) ::Sure, no harm will be done. This was more of a caveat emptor message. Thanks.&nbsp;&nbsp;[[User:Little_green_rosetta|<font color="blue">little</font> <font color="green">green rosetta</font>]]{{SubSup||[[Special:Contributions/Little_green_rosetta|central scrutinizer]]|[[User talk:Little green rosetta|(talk)]]}} 12:18, 29 March 2013 (UTC) :::Well, thank you for taking the time notify me. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 12:19, 29 March 2013 (UTC)'
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'{{User:Deskana/ContactingDeskana}} {{User:Deskana/TalkPageHeader}} __TOC__ == Account creation request == Hi Deskana, there is an [https://toolserver.org/~acc/acc.php?action=zoom&id=80638 account creation request] which [[User:Elockid]] would like you to take a look at as you placed a checkuser block, but the data is now stale. Regards, '''[[User:Callanecc|Callanecc]]''' ([[User talk:Callanecc|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Callanecc|contribs]] • [[Special:Log/Callanecc|logs]]) 08:19, 5 October 2012 (UTC) :I've responded to the request. Thanks. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 10:26, 5 October 2012 (UTC) ::And I've created the account, thanks for that. '''[[User:Callanecc|Callanecc]]''' ([[User talk:Callanecc|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Callanecc|contribs]] • [[Special:Log/Callanecc|logs]]) 10:31, 5 October 2012 (UTC) == ''The Signpost'': 08 October 2012 == <div style="-moz-column-count:2; -webkit-column-count:2; column-count:2;"> {{Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2012-10-08}} </div><!--Volume 8, Issue 41--> <div class="hlist" style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;"> * '''[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost|Read this Signpost in full]]''' * [[Wikipedia:Signpost/Single|Single-page]] * [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Subscribe|Unsubscribe]] * [[User:EdwardsBot|EdwardsBot]] ([[User talk:EdwardsBot|talk]]) 20:07, 9 October 2012 (UTC) </div> <!-- EdwardsBot 0382 --> == progress report == So you being one of my biggest, I hesitate to use the word "Critic" but I can't think of a better word, I was wondering how you think I'm doing having been unbanned now for nearly a year and and a half. Thanks. <b style="font-family:sans-serif;text-shadow:2px 2px 2px #9eceee;color:#fd0;">[[User:CR90|<font color="#00285D">CRRays</font>]][[User talk:CR90|<font color="#00285D">Head90</font>]] | <sup>[[Special:Contributions/CRRaysHead90|<font color="#00285d">Get Some!</font>]]</sup></b> 23:53, 11 October 2012 (UTC) :I have no idea who you are. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 21:10, 13 October 2012 (UTC) ::Sorry, I should have clarified. I'm Hornetman16. <b style="font-family:sans-serif;text-shadow:2px 2px 2px #9eceee;color:#fd0;">[[User:CR90|<font color="#00285D">CRRays</font>]][[User talk:CR90|<font color="#00285D">Head90</font>]] | <sup>[[Special:Contributions/CRRaysHead90|<font color="#00285d">Get Some!</font>]]</sup></b> 00:31, 14 October 2012 (UTC) == ''The Signpost'': 15 October 2012 == <div style="-moz-column-count:2; -webkit-column-count:2; column-count:2;"> {{Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2012-10-15}} </div><!--Volume 8, Issue 42--> <div class="hlist" style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;"> * '''[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost|Read this Signpost in full]]''' * [[Wikipedia:Signpost/Single|Single-page]] * [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Subscribe|Unsubscribe]] * [[User:EdwardsBot|EdwardsBot]] ([[User talk:EdwardsBot|talk]]) 20:48, 16 October 2012 (UTC) </div> <!-- EdwardsBot 0387 --> == Arbcom == Any chance you're considering it this year? - <b>[[User:Jc37|jc37]]</b> 17:12, 19 October 2012 (UTC) :Why do you ask? --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 17:20, 19 October 2012 (UTC) ::It's getting near that time for candidates to declare. So I thought I'd ask if you were considering it : ) - <b>[[User:Jc37|jc37]]</b> 17:35, 19 October 2012 (UTC) :::I'll see what other candidates are running and make my mind up. Right now I don't have the time to commit to it, but it's always possible to rearrange things so that I do. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 18:37, 19 October 2012 (UTC) ::::Fair enough. Still hoping to dust off [[User:Jc37/Userboxes/Deskana4Arbcom]] : ) - <b>[[User:Jc37|jc37]]</b> 18:47, 19 October 2012 (UTC) :::::Wow! I'd totally forgotten about that! --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 18:49, 19 October 2012 (UTC) :::::: : ) - <b>[[User:Jc37|jc37]]</b> 18:50, 19 October 2012 (UTC) == SPI archiving == Not that I'm an expert, but [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Hilcee your archiving] doesn't look right to me.--[[User:Bbb23|Bbb23]] ([[User talk:Bbb23|talk]]) 23:27, 19 October 2012 (UTC) :I use automated tools to do it, so it's strange that it went wrong. Even stranger, reverting my close then re-archiving has fixed the problem. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 00:06, 20 October 2012 (UTC) ::Don't know what automated tool you use, but sometimes they malfunction. Thanks for fixing it.--[[User:Bbb23|Bbb23]] ([[User talk:Bbb23|talk]]) 00:29, 20 October 2012 (UTC) == ''The Signpost'': 22 October 2012 == <div style="-moz-column-count:2; -webkit-column-count:2; column-count:2;"> {{Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2012-10-22}} </div><!--Volume 8, Issue 43--> <div class="hlist" style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;"> * '''[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost|Read this Signpost in full]]''' * [[Wikipedia:Signpost/Single|Single-page]] * [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Subscribe|Unsubscribe]] * [[User:EdwardsBot|EdwardsBot]] ([[User talk:EdwardsBot|talk]]) 10:26, 24 October 2012 (UTC) </div> <!-- EdwardsBot 0391 --> ==You've got mail!== {{you've got mail|subject=Urgent!|ts=17:49, 26 October 2012 (UTC)}} <small>[[User:Dave1185|<font face="Rage Italic" size="4" style="color:#000000;color:green"><i>Dave</i></font>]] <sup><span style="font-family:Italic;color:black">[[User talk:Dave1185|♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®]]</span></sup></small> 17:49, 26 October 2012 (UTC) *Ping~! --<small>[[User:Dave1185|<font face="Rage Italic" size="4" style="color:#000000;color:green"><i>Dave</i></font>]] <sup><span style="font-family:Italic;color:black">[[User talk:Dave1185|♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®]]</span></sup></small> 17:49, 28 October 2012 (UTC) ==Talkback== {{talkback|Mr. Wikipediania|ts=15:06, 29 October 2012 (UTC)}} '''[[User:Mr. Wikipediania|Mr.Wikipediania]] ([[Special:Contributions/Mr. Wikipediania|Stalk]] • [[User talk:Mr. Wikipediania|Talk]])''' 15:06, 29 October 2012 (UTC) == Quick request == Would you mind looking at [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Way u die]]? It appears that {{user|Titanic225}} is operating bad-hand vandal socks. [[User:Reaper Eternal|Reaper Eternal]] ([[User talk:Reaper Eternal|talk]]) 16:21, 29 October 2012 (UTC) *[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=newusers&user=Titanic225&page=&year=&month=-1&tagfilter=&hide_patrol_log=1&hide_review_log=1 This] says it all. Funny how by being quite obvious about the sockpuppetry, you can still get away with it for so long. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 16:27, 29 October 2012 (UTC) ::I never even thought to check his user creation log. Sorry about that. [[User:Reaper Eternal|Reaper Eternal]] ([[User talk:Reaper Eternal|talk]]) 16:30, 29 October 2012 (UTC) :::Well, you wouldn't, because most people aren't stupid enough to create sockpuppets while logged in. I only noticed because user account creations show up in the checkuser tool. I suspect that he's not that stupid either; he was doing it quite obviously, and wanted to see how long he can get away with it. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 16:34, 29 October 2012 (UTC) == [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/BengaliHindu‎|SPI]] == Hi! I saw that you CheckedUser the sock puppets but refrained from checking the puppet master. You asked for further evidence for this. I've posted more evidences there. Is that enough? Also, am I allowed to post further comments? Please guide me. Thanks. --[[User:Kmzayeem|<font style="font-size:18px" color="#848482" face="Ransom">Zayeem</font>]] <sup> [[User talk:Kmzayeem|<font color="#483C32">'''''(talk)'''''</font>]]</sup> 14:52, 30 October 2012 (UTC) Hi! I have added some more evidence at 16:03, 30 October 2012, please take a look. Thanks. --[[User:Kmzayeem|<font style="font-size:18px" color="#848482" face="Ransom">Zayeem</font>]] <sup> [[User talk:Kmzayeem|<font color="#483C32">'''''(talk)'''''</font>]]</sup> 13:00, 31 October 2012 (UTC) Added another comment, please take a look. [[User:Kmzayeem|<font style="font-size:18px" color="#848482" face="Ransom">Zayeem</font>]] <sup> [[User talk:Kmzayeem|<font color="#483C32">'''''(talk)'''''</font>]]</sup> 09:59, 1 November 2012 (UTC) :You're grasping at straws now. Just stop. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 11:03, 1 November 2012 (UTC) :: Ok Sorry. Thanks for your patience and co-operation. --[[User:Kmzayeem|<font style="font-size:18px" color="#848482" face="Ransom">Zayeem</font>]] <sup> [[User talk:Kmzayeem|<font color="#483C32">'''''(talk)'''''</font>]]</sup> 12:54, 1 November 2012 (UTC) == ''The Signpost'': 29 October 2012 == <div style="-moz-column-count:2; -webkit-column-count:2; column-count:2;"> {{Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2012-10-29}} </div><!--Volume 8, Issue 44--> <div class="hlist" style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;"> * '''[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost|Read this Signpost in full]]''' * [[Wikipedia:Signpost/Single|Single-page]] * [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Subscribe|Unsubscribe]] * [[User:EdwardsBot|EdwardsBot]] ([[User talk:EdwardsBot|talk]]) 07:40, 31 October 2012 (UTC) </div> <!-- EdwardsBot 0395 --> == ''The Signpost'': 05 November 2012 == <div style="-moz-column-count:2; -webkit-column-count:2; column-count:2;"> {{Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2012-11-05}} </div><!--Volume 8, Issue 45--> <div class="hlist" style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;"> * '''[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost|Read this Signpost in full]]''' * [[Wikipedia:Signpost/Single|Single-page]] * [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Subscribe|Unsubscribe]] * [[User:EdwardsBot|EdwardsBot]] ([[User talk:EdwardsBot|talk]]) 23:21, 6 November 2012 (UTC) </div> <!-- EdwardsBot 0399 --> == ''The Signpost'': 12 November 2012 == <div style="-moz-column-count:2; -webkit-column-count:2; column-count:2;"> {{Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2012-11-12}} </div><!--Volume 8, Issue 46--> <div class="hlist" style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;"> * '''[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost|Read this Signpost in full]]''' * [[Wikipedia:Signpost/Single|Single-page]] * [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Subscribe|Unsubscribe]] * [[User:EdwardsBot|EdwardsBot]] ([[User talk:EdwardsBot|talk]]) 12:00, 14 November 2012 (UTC) </div> <!-- EdwardsBot 0400 --> == ''The Signpost'': 19 November 2012 == <div style="-moz-column-count:2; -webkit-column-count:2; column-count:2;"> {{Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2012-11-19}} </div><!--Volume 8, Issue 47--> <div class="hlist" style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;"> * '''[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost|Read this Signpost in full]]''' * [[Wikipedia:Signpost/Single|Single-page]] * [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Subscribe|Unsubscribe]] * [[User:EdwardsBot|EdwardsBot]] ([[User talk:EdwardsBot|talk]]) 04:07, 21 November 2012 (UTC) </div> <!-- EdwardsBot 0403 # RECIPIENTS (CATEGORY) --> == ''The Signpost'': 26 November 2012 == <div style="-moz-column-count:2; -webkit-column-count:2; column-count:2;"> {{Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2012-11-26}} </div><!--Volume 8, Issue 48--> <div class="hlist" style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;"> * '''[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost|Read this Signpost in full]]''' * [[Wikipedia:Signpost/Single|Single-page]] * [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Subscribe|Unsubscribe]] * [[User:EdwardsBot|EdwardsBot]] ([[User talk:EdwardsBot|talk]]) 13:07, 28 November 2012 (UTC) </div> <!-- EdwardsBot 0405 # RECIPIENTS (CATEGORY) --> == ''The Signpost'': 03 December 2012 == <div style="-moz-column-count:2; -webkit-column-count:2; column-count:2;"> {{Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2012-12-03}} </div><!--Volume 8, Issue 49--> <div class="hlist" style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;"> * '''[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost|Read this Signpost in full]]''' * [[Wikipedia:Signpost/Single|Single-page]] * [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Subscribe|Unsubscribe]] * [[User:EdwardsBot|EdwardsBot]] ([[User talk:EdwardsBot|talk]]) 22:26, 5 December 2012 (UTC) </div> <!-- EdwardsBot 0413 --> == Help with protection == Hello, I need help with my talk page. A very annoying vandal keeps adding useless gibberish to my talk page and idiotic categories to my page. Can an admin please protect my talk page from edit by new users and such so my talk page is not consistently vandalized with spam... Also, the same person keeps creating different user names and spamming my talk page at a repeated basis. Please protect my talk page and my user page or have an admin who can. Thanks in advance. - [[User:Zarbon|Zarbon]] ([[User talk:Zarbon|talk]]) 18:54, 10 December 2012 (UTC) :Looks like it's been protected by someone else since you asked. Not that I would call two vandalism edits this month 'consistently vandalised', but there you are. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 23:22, 10 December 2012 (UTC) ::Deskana he is one for arbitrarily reverting my edits! Haaaaa... wait until he gets the best of meh. [[Special:Contributions/166.147.120.22|166.147.120.22]] ([[User talk:166.147.120.22|talk]]) <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 20:37, 11 December 2012 (UTC)</span><!--Template:Undated--> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> == Checkuser request == Hi. I made a checkuser request by email. Would you prefer that I make it as a checkuser request at [[WP:SPI]]? Cheers, [[User:Mathsci|Mathsci]] ([[User talk:Mathsci|talk]]) 11:34, 11 December 2012 (UTC) == ''The Signpost'': 10 December 2012 == <div style="-moz-column-count:2; -webkit-column-count:2; column-count:2;"> {{Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2012-12-10}} </div><!--Volume 8, Issue 50--> <div class="hlist" style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;"> * '''[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost|Read this Signpost in full]]''' * [[Wikipedia:Signpost/Single|Single-page]] * [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Subscribe|Unsubscribe]] * [[User:EdwardsBot|EdwardsBot]] ([[User talk:EdwardsBot|talk]]) 23:32, 11 December 2012 (UTC) </div> <!-- EdwardsBot 0415 --> == SPI == I disagree with your comments at a recent SPI where you stated that an editor looking to be a clear case of DUCK meant we shouldn't check - that totally violates AGF. [[User:GiantSnowman|Giant]][[User talk:GiantSnowman|Snowman]] 16:14, 16 December 2012 (UTC) :If the check is unnecessary, it cannot be carried out. Those are the standards by which the checkuser tool is used. If you disagree with them, then you should speak to the Arbitration Committee. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 18:40, 16 December 2012 (UTC) == Advanced notice == Get your block privilege out now, because if I don't get an answer from Ubikwit in next 12 hours, I will revert him again. I was somewhat tired last night, and in the 3RR submission (wall of text) mentioned the wrong source. Never mind. The source over which Ubikwit engaged in the edit war in fact does not match the text! It does not come from any of the major international organisations he insists the lead refer to, nor is it even a paraphrase of the 476 word 'definition'. The 'definition' is categorised as "...adopting a broader, more comprehensive approach"(p.11), although still "...retains the now-standard emphasis on marginalization, loss of autonomy and control over resources, and the prospect and reality of cultural decline. It highlights, in a variety of ways, the idea of indigenous peoples as being victims of broader processes, buffeted by the forces of development and rendered largely powerless within the nation state." Following this, Ken Coates, a professor of history, says the following <blockquote>The issue at hand is clearly a complicated one. Depending on the approach taken, the concepts of indigenous, tribal and ethnic minority could be interchangeable or, at the minimum, substantially overlapping. The challenge is to find a definition that works historically. It cannot or should not be framed entirely within contemporary terms, like that of Survival International, for to do so would obscure important historical transitions. Ideally, it would not be Eurocentric and would not define an entire category of people solely on the basis of their relationship to a external group/force. It would incorporate the experiences of small societies in Asia, Africa and other regions and would not be influenced by the contemporary efforts of Asian governments to exclude their indigenous and small societies from inclusion within the indigenous political world. To be meaningful, a workable definition needs to focus on historical processes and relationships while remaining sensitive to the circumstances of local indigenous societies. At the same time, efforts to be comprehensive and inclusion in terms of definition, as with various United Nations’ efforts, can strip the concept of its meaning.</blockquote> In my attempt to edit the article, I am trying to infuse it with the greater scope than that when "framed entirely within contemporary terms", and will seek to highlight "important historical transitions". Currently, the article is almost entirely Eurocentric, and defines "an entire category of people solely on the basis of their relationship to a external group/force." This is the reason that the United Nations organisations could not, and will not adopt a definition of the ''Indigenous peoples''. Their work is focused on the contemporary relationships, but "To be meaningful, a workable definition needs to focus on historical processes and relationships while remaining sensitive to the circumstances of local indigenous societies" which can only be found in disciplines other than contemporary law and political science. Ubikwit's single-minded pursuit of retaining the emphasis on the contemporary relationships is denying development of the article into a better version. I also note that the discussion cited as 'consensus' 10 months ago failed to cite any reliable sources, and based itself solely on this one mis-cited and wholly OR reinterpretation of the IWGIA webpage which is no longer extant.[[User:Crock81|Crock81]] ([[User talk:Crock81|talk]]) 22:13, 17 December 2012 (UTC) :I'm far too tired right now to give serious thought to the issues you've written about here. Please hold off on reverting for a bit longer until I'm able to read and discuss these issues. I'll read this tomorrow. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 23:02, 17 December 2012 (UTC) :::Coates is arguing for a revisionist definition, not giving one that is widely accepted. His view could be noted in the article but should not determine its scope. The Unesco definition, the ILO and WTO definitions all give primacy to contemporary political relations, as do NGOs and as does the majority of the literature on the topic. There are no works to my knowledge that define the topic in as broad terms as Crock81 is attempting to do, since that leaves the concept vacuous and meaningless as all groups have "historical connections to a territory". The consensus from 10 months ago remains in vigor until such a time as you succeed in forming a new consensus, regardless of whether you think it was "racist" or ill-informed.[[User:Maunus|·ʍaunus]]·[[User talk:Maunus|snunɐw·]] 23:40, 17 December 2012 (UTC) ::::You on Earth would you post this here?! [[User:Crock81|Crock81]] ([[User talk:Crock81|talk]]) 07:02, 18 December 2012 (UTC) ::::::Why on earth would you be spending time lobbying administrators and arbitrators instead of producing sources in support of your claims on the talkpage of the article where you viewpoint is currently in the minority?[[User:Maunus|·ʍaunus]]·[[User talk:Maunus|snunɐw·]] 01:50, 19 December 2012 (UTC) [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Indigenous_peoples&diff=prev&oldid=528592673 ...and a long read]. I think a decade of butchering such an important article, literally representing millions of readers in Wikipedia, is enough. I want someone from ArbCom to review this. I don't enjoy conflicts, but I know right from wrong, including application of Wikipedia principles, and while I would [[very much prefer not to engage in an AN/I]], but I will if pushed [[User:Crock81|Crock81]] ([[User talk:Crock81|talk]]) 07:02, 18 December 2012 (UTC) :Right. The above messages, from both of you, have totally missed the point. As an administrator looking at the article, all I am concerned with is the edit warring, not the subject matter. Edit warring is not good for the encyclopedia, as it does not create good stable articles. I know nothing of the content issues related to the article, and my neutrality is what makes me a good administrator for dealing with administrative issues related to the article. If there are content disputes, then you can read about how to solve them at [[WP:DR]]. If there is edit warring, then it will be treated entirely as an administrative matter and page protections and blocks will likely ensue. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 14:09, 18 December 2012 (UTC) ::Fine, but there is a concept that one can participate in [[Preventive medicine]] to avoid [[surgery]]. Administrator involvement in edit warring is [[surgery]]. If you want to understand ''why'' you are doing 'surgery' all the time, look at the [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Indigenous_peoples&diff=prev&oldid=528592673 symptoms]. This is an important article, but for over a decade it has evolved into the a [[schizophrenia]] sufferer. ''That'' is why you ''will be'' coming back to it for edit warring, if not with me, than someone else, maybe not now, but in months or years time, maybe not you, but another administrator. Its not ''just'' edit warring that's "not good for the encycllpedia", but also '''what causes edit warring''', which is even less good, because it creates a cycle of behaviour that either '''a)''' produces crap articles, '''b)''' drives away editors, or '''c)''' takes you away from editing to administer edit warring (assuming you are not here just for adminship). Engaging with the cause, eliminates the effect. I'm sure if I look, I will find for you a plethora of articles with similar ''symptoms''. The basic cause is the same - '''failure to adhere to Wikipedia editing rules and guidelines'''. I am not asking you to look at the content, but '''only''' the failure to follow Wikipedia editing rules and guidelines that has led to the edit warring [[User:Crock81|Crock81]] ([[User talk:Crock81|talk]]) 00:56, 19 December 2012 (UTC) == User:Milesgive3030- == Hey Deskana, you recently blocked {{socklinks|Milesgive3030-}} indefinitely, but you left email access unblocked. Now [[WP:ANI#Email abuse|it appears]] that s/he is sending abusive emails to other users. I wondered if you'd be able to reblock them with email access disabled? '''Interesting note:''' It's been suggested that this is yet another incarnation of JarlaxleArtemis/Grawp. Thanks, &mdash; [[User:Pyfan|Oli]] <sup>OR</sup> [[User_talk:Pyfan|Pyfan!]] 09:59, 18 December 2012 (UTC) :Nevermind, just {{done}} by Yunshui. Thanks anyway :), &mdash; [[User:Pyfan|Oli]] <sup>OR</sup> [[User_talk:Pyfan|Pyfan!]] 10:00, 18 December 2012 (UTC) == ''The Signpost'': 17 December 2012 == <div style="-moz-column-count:2; -webkit-column-count:2; column-count:2;"> {{Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2012-12-17}} </div><!--Volume 8, Issue 51--> <div class="hlist" style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;"> * '''[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost|Read this Signpost in full]]''' * [[Wikipedia:Signpost/Single|Single-page]] * [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Subscribe|Unsubscribe]] * [[User:EdwardsBot|EdwardsBot]] ([[User talk:EdwardsBot|talk]]) 01:54, 20 December 2012 (UTC) </div> <!-- EdwardsBot 0421 --> == DieSwartzPunk sockpuppet investigation == After reading your comments[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/DieSwartzPunkt&diff=next&oldid=528957327] I realized I have made a grave error on that page. I have included a random user, Cantaloupe2, as a sockmaster. This was a huge mistake and wasn't intended! I believe in the confusion of the form I cut and pasted his name, from my talk page, into the form and realizing this I pasted the correct name DieSwartPunkt later. I thought I had edited the incorrect name out. His editing is nothing similar to the problem edits and didn't appear involved. If anything more helpful in the matter. I don't know how to handle this. He wasn't notified or maybe even aware of this procedure (my complaint) Can his name be removed or at least stroked out not to involve an innocent editor? I feel horrible about this error. I need to apologize to him but do not know where to start and I don't even think he is aware of what I have done. Thanks [[Special:Contributions/174.118.142.187|174.118.142.187]] ([[User talk:174.118.142.187|talk]]) 19:20, 20 December 2012 (UTC) :Remove it if you want, it makes little difference. It will remain in the history of the page. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 21:04, 20 December 2012 (UTC) == SPI case == {{YGM}} [[User:Logical Cowboy|Logical Cowboy]] ([[User talk:Logical Cowboy|talk]]) 03:50, 22 December 2012 (UTC) == Another look? == I have provided evidence at [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/WWEJobber]]. Could you take another look? Thank you. [[User:Starship.paint|Starship.paint]] ([[User talk:Starship.paint|talk]]) 10:28, 22 December 2012 (UTC) :Thanks very much for providing the check Deskana. Now that the probability shifts towards pointing Nomelck as a relative/friend posing as a meatpuppet instead of a genuine editor, is there any possible avenue for me to take to prevent Nomelck from skewing talk page discussions in favour of WWEJobber? Or is there any way to further investigate the unlikelier possibility of Nomelck being a sockpuppet? [[User:Starship.paint|Starship.paint]] ([[User talk:Starship.paint|talk]]) 12:26, 24 December 2012 (UTC) ::We have no proof of anything. All we have is suspicion. And it is very suspicious, yes. But the population of Brazil is nearly 200 million. We don't have enough to act on based on the checkuser results. I've intentionally left the case open so that an administrator can look at the behavioural evidence and decide whether it's enough to act on. I make a point of trying not to act as both an administrator and checkuser on the same case when I can avoid it. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 13:49, 24 December 2012 (UTC) == Merry Christmas! == <div style="border-style:solid; border-color:red; background-color:fff; border-width:2px; text-align:left; padding:8px;" class="plainlinks">[[image:Christmas_tree_sxc_hu.jpg|70px|left]] ''[[User:TheGeneralUser|<font color="Fuchsia">TheGeneralUser</font>]] [[User talk:TheGeneralUser|<font color="Fuchsia">(talk)</font>]]'' is wishing you a [[Mary Poppins|Merry]] [[Christmas]]! This greeting (and season) promotes [[Wikipedia:WikiLove|WikiLove]] and hopefully this note has made your day a little better. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a [[Christmas|Merry Christmas]], whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Happy New Year! <br /> ''Spread the cheer by adding {{tls|Xmas2}} to their talk page with a friendly message.'' </div> Hello Deskana! Wishing you a very Happy Merry Christmas :) ''[[User:TheGeneralUser|<font color="Fuchsia">TheGeneralUser</font>]] [[User talk:TheGeneralUser|<font color="Fuchsia">(talk)</font>]]'' 12:18, 25 December 2012 (UTC) == Evildoer187, Crock181 == Dear Deskana, I couldn't help but note the rather curt tone of the wording of your decision in the sockpuppetry case I was compelled to file for obvious reasons against Evildoer187. You will recall the following comment by EdJohnston: <blockquote>Evildoer187's statement when he reduced the timeout was "Undid revision 529129762 by Ubikwit (talk) "''This horse is on its last breath. You have 15 days to present a solid, rational argument for your proposed edits.''" '''I think this is on the border of disruptive editing''' (''my emphasis'') and urge all parties to leave archiving alone for the duration. EdJohnston (talk) 15:13, 22 December 2012 (UTC)</blockquote> After reading your decision I checked your talk page and noticed the attacks against me there by Crock81. These two individuals have been working on tandem on the Indigenous peoples and corresponding List page in a manner that has been described as bordering on disruptive by more than one other editor and administrator, as well as related to a "personal project", which has been characterized by another exerienced editor as "an attempt to shoehorn Israelis onto the list", if I recall the quote corectly. Here is the quote posted by EdJohnston to Crock81's Talk page. <blockquote>I view the activities at Indigenous peoples to be an extension of the dispute at List of indigenous peoples, an article which has been under the ARBPIA 1RR restriction since April, 2011. You have already violated WP:3RR at Indigenous peoples. '''You seem to be on Wikipedia in service of a personal project. Apparently it is of great importance to you whether one or both of the contending parties in the Middle East should be considered to be indigenous peoples'''. (''my emphasis'') You risk wearing out the patience of editors here with your wall-of-text posts. This is disappointing because you occasionally seem to reveal a knowledge of the subject matter that might be useful to Wikipedia. An inability to explain yourself briefly or to negotiate with others may prevent you from making any actual contribution here. EdJohnston (talk) 02:48, 19 December 2012 (UTC)</blockquote> I just noticed on Evildoer187's Talk page that you have mentioned me in conjunction with a 3RR violation. Since I am still somewhat new to the editing scenario here, perhaps you'd care to clarify? Evildoer187 has posted warnings in the manner of an administrator on several other editors' Talk pages, has attempted to dictate discussions on Talk pages, has attempted to cut off an RfC midstream because he couldn't control the discussion, filed dubious complaints against me, and I could go on. Please correct me if I mistake you, but it appears to me that you are somewhat sympathetc toward Evildoer187 and demonstrate a modicum of antipathy toward me. --[[User:Ubikwit|Ubikwit]] ([[User talk:Ubikwit|talk]]) 17:22, 25 December 2012 (UTC)Ubikwit :Given the amount of SPI cases I handle I have little patience for SPI reports like the one you filed, which is probably why you think I don't like you. That's not the case, I don't like or dislike anyone. [[User:Coren|Coren]] recently aptly described me as "the grumpy old grandpa" of SPI, so bear that in mind. I find it interesting that you said he's filed "dubious complaints" about you, when your SPI case him was exactly that. Anyway, Evildoer187 clearly deserved to be blocked for edit warring. So did you, however, so you should count yourself lucky that you did not end up blocked. I didn't say you had violated 3RR, I was correcting Moxy who said you were exempt from 3RR because Evildoer187 is banned, but he isn't banned. Don't edit war or break any rules and you'll have no problem from me. Edit war and break rules and, well, you will. I have nothing more to say on the matter. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 17:34, 25 December 2012 (UTC) ::Fair enough, I don't mean to waste your time, but I don't want either of the abovementioned individuals wasting my time, either. ::I've no intention to violate the 3RR rule or edit war, and apparently there is a distinction between "banned" and "blocked" that related to that. ::In any case, I don't have problems with Evildoer or Crock editing as long as they are acting in good faith and in accord with WP:OR and WP:NPOV, basically, as well as providing sources to support their assertions. ::If my case sockpuppet case against Evildoer was a trivial waste of your time, I apologize. I'm not familiar with the ins-and-outs of sockpuppetry. It seemed to me that if it was actually Evildoer, such behavior would represent a turn for the worse, and I have been following his conversations in which even sympathetic experienced editors have become exasperated with dealing with him. ::If he returns and files RfCs and the like, I'll participate. However, if there is an administrative action against him, he has made numerous statements to me that would appear to demonstrate behavior issues, so I will provide comments in such a case. Happy New Year.--[[User:Ubikwit|Ubikwit]] ([[User talk:Ubikwit|talk]]) 17:49, 25 December 2012 (UTC)Ubikwit :::I wouldn't say the SPI case was a waste of my time, nor are you wasting my time by asking these questions. I'm a strong believer that anyone should be able to file an SPI report and put whatever they want in it. SPI must remain a place that does not exclude people for any reason, in order to maintain its neutrality. I would say it was a fairly useless report however, for the reasons I listed in the case. No offense intended by that, I also believe in calling [[To call a spade a spade|a spade a spade]]. Try to keep out of trouble, eh? Merry Christmas (or whatever holiday you celebrate, if any) and a Happy New Year to you too. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 18:03, 25 December 2012 (UTC) == ''The Signpost'': 24 December 2012 == <div style="-moz-column-count:2; -webkit-column-count:2; column-count:2;"> {{Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2012-12-24}} </div><!--Volume 8, Issue 52--> <div class="hlist" style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;"> * '''[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost|Read this Signpost in full]]''' * [[Wikipedia:Signpost/Single|Single-page]] * [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Subscribe|Unsubscribe]] * [[User:EdwardsBot|EdwardsBot]] ([[User talk:EdwardsBot|talk]]) 09:03, 26 December 2012 (UTC) </div> <!-- EdwardsBot 0424 --> == A little help please == You seem to have some experience in ending disputes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Colonialism#Israel [[User:Evildoer187|Evildoer187]] ([[User talk:Evildoer187|talk]]) 06:24, 28 December 2012 (UTC) :How many times must I say this? I am not interested in content disputes. I am only interested in conduct issues. I am not a dispute resolution tool. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 12:00, 28 December 2012 (UTC) == arbitration == You are involved in a recently filed request for arbitration. Please review the request at [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests# deskana refusal to perform CU in SIP case ]] and, if you wish to do so, enter your statement and any other material you wish to submit to the Arbitration Committee. Additionally, the following resources may be of use— * [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests#Requests for Arbitration]]; * [[Wikipedia:Arbitration guide]]. Thanks,<!-- Template:Arbcom notice --> <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Ubikwit|Ubikwit]] ([[User talk:Ubikwit|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ubikwit|contribs]]) 20:29, 28 December 2012 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> :The appropriate venue for you to contact them was to email them. I suggest you do so now, because this case will get very quickly declined. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 20:43, 28 December 2012 (UTC) ::You suggest I send the same text but through email?--[[User:Ubikwit|Ubikwit]] ([[User talk:Ubikwit|talk]]) 21:07, 28 December 2012 (UTC)Ubikwit :::Hello deskana, Please excuse me for apparently misunderstanding something about the scale of attacks of sockpuppetry against which the CU tool is apparently reserved for use. :::That wasn't clear to me, and I therefore couldn't understand your reasoning for refusing to carry that out. :::These contents disputes have been causing me to loose a little sleep, but one thing that came out of the recent block was that I did a little more reading of policy, which made it apparent that a couple behavioral issues related to those policies have been taking place. So, before dealing with the content disputes, I'm gong to seek to have those behavioral issues examined in order to rectify those in advance of getting at the content issues. :::Another admin has offered to advise me, so in order to proceed with that in the proper manner I'm going to try posting on my Sandbox the text I've drawn up detailing specific incidents of behavior that I've already drawn up a text for with respect to three editors, two of whom are very experienced, and the corresponding points of policy. :::The text is longer than 500 words and relates to three editors, so I don't know how to proceed, but it seems to me that because they are all interrelated and happening on the same talk page, it would be desirable to streamline the arbitration process to the extent possible. Since this deals with conduct, you may be interested, so if your not too busy please feel free to comment.--[[User:Ubikwit|Ubikwit]] ([[User talk:Ubikwit|talk]]) 03:55, 29 December 2012 (UTC)Ubikwit ::::The very nature of Wikipedia means it's very difficult to break ''anything'' (software or otherwise) on the site, so there was no harm caused by you filing that case. Regarding the rest of your message, I saw that a few people suggested you read [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Guide to arbitration]]. I would also like to suggest you do so. The Arbitration Committee normally only accepts cases when all other possible avenues to resolve the problem have tried and failed. Those avenues include those listed on [[Wikipedia:Dispute resolution]]. Submitting a proper ArbCom case is quite an undertaking and there is no guarantee it will be accepted. Those pages I have linked will offer some guidance. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 16:10, 29 December 2012 (UTC) :::::OK, deskana, thanks, I'll do that. :::::By the way, I know it's burdensome, but please check the Talk pages on the [[Colonialism]] and [[Settler colonialism]] articles. Those articles are basically linked, as Settler colonialism is discussed in the Colonialism article. :::::I'm not interested in expending any effort to have Evildoer187 sanctioned for his overzealous editing, but once I start filing content disputes--which looks like it will be necesary--his conduct will likely come under scrutiny.--[[User:Ubikwit|Ubikwit]] ([[User talk:Ubikwit|talk]]) 16:34, 29 December 2012 (UTC)Ubikwit :::::::My conduct is already under intense scrutiny, in case you haven't noticed. I don't see how you could have missed it, given that you've been prowling my user page for a good while now. If I were you, I'd focus more on improving your own conduct rather than preoccupying yourself with mine. I will notify the appropriate noticeboard if your harassment does not stop.[[User:Evildoer187|Evildoer187]] ([[User talk:Evildoer187|talk]]) 09:10, 30 December 2012 (UTC) == edit war in the article - [[Turkey]] == Hello. December 28 in article "Turkey" you put the protection from editing. But you have not returned to pre-conflict version of article. Now, can not be canceled vandalism by "Maurice07" who removed information and sources. Please return to the pre-conflict version of article with sources. With best regards [[User:Rs4815|Rs4815]] ([[User talk:Rs4815|talk]]) 09:53, 29 December 2012 (UTC) :Please see [[m:The Wrong Version]]. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 11:21, 29 December 2012 (UTC) ::The current version of the article is "wrong version". Were deleted information and sources, and you protect the article. Now it is impossible to return the deleted information. Opponents have no weighty arguments and they simply remove the information without providing any source. Please return the pre-conflict version with the sources (right version). [[User:Rs4815|Rs4815]] ([[User talk:Rs4815|talk]]) 15:10, 29 December 2012 (UTC) :::No. I will not revert to anyone's preferred version on a page that is protected. To do so would be an abuse of my ability to edit pages while they are protected. Do not mistake the humour in that article I linked for whimsicalness; it's a serious commentary on the fact that that every time a page is protected due to edit warring, by definition someone will ''always'' think it's the wrong version. It's not my place to decide who that is. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 15:59, 29 December 2012 (UTC) == [[User:Chromium Oxide]] == I was confused about your post in this SPI[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Hackneyhound&diff=530236700&oldid=530230216]. Was there some mistake I made or maybe I'm not understanding the context of the comment? It sounds like you didn't think he was a sock, but you still checked. If there is some mistake I made, I would want to know about it. Well, other than picking the master, I was short on time, using TW and it wouldn't allow me to put him as both for some reason. [[User:Dennis Brown|<b>Dennis Brown</b>]] - [[User talk:Dennis Brown|<small>2&cent;</small>]] [[Special:Contributions/Dennis_Brown|<small>&copy;</small>]] <small><b>[[WP:WikiProject Editor Retention|Join WER]]</b></small> 12:18, 29 December 2012 (UTC) :It's hard to say exactly what happened without [[WP:BEANS|stuffing beans up my nose]]. In short, I lacked a reference point for the check. If that's not clear, I can explain to you privately sometime. Courcelles's conclusion should be the one that's taken, and mine discarded. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 12:45, 29 December 2012 (UTC) ::I think I get it. I almost never dropping single unmatched socks and understand it is hard to play connect the dots with only one dot, but this was one of those screaming duck cases that needed eyeballs on it. I just wanted to verify that the problem was technical, not my judgement. I almost never get feedback on clerking, good or bad. Thanks for the quick reply. [[User:Dennis Brown|<b>Dennis Brown</b>]] - [[User talk:Dennis Brown|<small>2&cent;</small>]] [[Special:Contributions/Dennis_Brown|<small>&copy;</small>]] <small><b>[[WP:WikiProject Editor Retention|Join WER]]</b></small> 12:58, 29 December 2012 (UTC) == Evildoer187 and Ubikwit == Just not sure theses editors will ever fit in here. At the very least we should force some sort of separation of interaction between these two. [[User:Moxy|Moxy]] ([[User talk:Moxy|talk]]) 21:40, 29 December 2012 (UTC) :That could be arranged, but I'd say we're not quite there yet. Perhaps something like that will happen if Ubikwit files an arbitration case. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 22:29, 29 December 2012 (UTC) ::Please see my Talk page, especially the section titled "Colonialism article revisited". I think the time for an [[WP:IBAN|interaction ban]] may have come. —&nbsp;[[User:Malik Shabazz|Malik Shabazz]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Malik Shabazz|Talk]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Malik Shabazz|Stalk]]</sub> 20:12, 1 January 2013 (UTC) :::They just like reverting each other and accusing each other of things. I'd personally prefer to just block them both, but an interaction ban would be a first step more people would be happy with I suppose. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 03:08, 2 January 2013 (UTC) == Privacy policy and SPI == Hello deskana, and Happy New Year! I was wondering if you could point out the relevant WP policy that discusses the issue of linking IPs to users with respect to SPI investigations. Thanks.--[[User:Ubikwit|Ubikwit]] ([[User talk:Ubikwit|talk]]) 08:51, 1 January 2013 (UTC)Ubikwit :Potentially identifying information (such as the IP of a user) cannot be released except in the most extreme of circumstances. Read [[m:Privacy policy#Access to and release of personally identifiable information]]. Once again, this is only incidentally relevant to your case as not only did you actually never even request a checkuser (I checked this yesterday), but you had insufficient evidence for one anyway. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 17:49, 1 January 2013 (UTC) == Filing a report on administrators noticeboard == It is clear to me that I am being harassed and wiki-hounded by Ubikwit, and I am ready to take formal action against him on these charges. He is making this a much more stressful and intimidating experience than it needs to be, and I have reached my wits end here. I will not tolerate this abuse anymore. How do I file a report?[[User:Evildoer187|Evildoer187]] ([[User talk:Evildoer187|talk]]) 17:45, 1 January 2013 (UTC) :Go to [[WP:ANI]] and write your complaint. You'll need a lot of proof to have your complaint taken seriously though. I don't think there's enough for any administrator to act. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 17:48, 1 January 2013 (UTC) ::Long term or short term? Forgive me if these questions are stupid. I have never done this before. And frankly, I don't know what else to do at this point.[[User:Evildoer187|Evildoer187]] ([[User talk:Evildoer187|talk]]) 19:03, 1 January 2013 (UTC) :::Evidence is evidence. Doesn't matter when it was. More recent is better, of course. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 03:15, 2 January 2013 (UTC) == Patience == In case I haven't mentioned it recently, you have a superhuman quantity of patience. '''[[User:MBisanz|<span style='color: #FFFF00;background-color: #0000FF;'>MBisanz</span>]]''' <sup>[[User talk:MBisanz|<span style='color: #FFA500;'>talk</span>]]</sup> 03:12, 2 January 2013 (UTC) :That's funny, some people say the opposite sometimes! But, seriously, thanks. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 03:14, 2 January 2013 (UTC) == Semi-Urgent== All fixed in IRC [[User:PeterWesco|PeterWesco]] ([[User talk:PeterWesco|talk]]) 06:02, 2 January 2013 (UTC) :I was asleep but I left myself logged in to IRC. My apologies. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 11:22, 2 January 2013 (UTC) == ''The Signpost'': 31 December 2012 == <div style="-moz-column-count:2; -webkit-column-count:2; column-count:2;"> {{Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2012-12-31}} </div><!--Volume 8, Issue 01--> <div class="hlist" style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;"> * '''[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost|Read this Signpost in full]]''' * [[Wikipedia:Signpost/Single|Single-page]] * [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Subscribe|Unsubscribe]] * [[User:EdwardsBot|EdwardsBot]] ([[User talk:EdwardsBot|talk]]) 08:24, 2 January 2013 (UTC) </div> <!-- EdwardsBot 0430 --> == Thank you == It feels as though I've just been relieved of a huge burden. Now if you could just provide me with a list of articles to avoid, I will be on my way. Cheers.[[User:Evildoer187|Evildoer187]] ([[User talk:Evildoer187|talk]]) 01:11, 4 January 2013 (UTC) :Please see [[WP:ARBPIA]] for more information. An example: most administrators would probably consider the article [[Israel]] to be okay for you to edit, as long as you didn't edit anything in the article related the Arab-Israeli conflict. "When in doubt, assume it is related", says ARBPIA. It's up to you to steer clear of the topic, so don't expect to be warned if you violate the ban. There's so many articles on Wikipedia that there's plenty for you to do while doing so. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 01:17, 4 January 2013 (UTC) ::Would it be ok if I informed some people at [[WT:JUDAISM]] of the dispute taking place at the colonialism article? Malik recommended earlier that I should do that, but now that the ban is in place.....eh. Anyway, I will petition for the lifting of the ban at a later time, when I feel as though I can edit these articles without losing my cool. Not an easy thing to do, when you are an Israeli.[[User:Evildoer187|Evildoer187]] ([[User talk:Evildoer187|talk]]) 01:23, 4 January 2013 (UTC) :::I can't keep answering questions about what your topic ban applies to and what it does not, otherwise you'll be checking with me before you make every single edit. It may not appear so due to what I'm doing not being a publicly logged action, but I'm actually doing something behind the scenes on Wikipedia right now, and I can't afford to be constantly interrupted. This is the final thing I have to say on the matter: Before making an edit, ask yourself "Is this edit related to the Arab-Israeli conflict?". Based on the answer to that question, you know whether you should be making the edit or not. FYI, if you're incapable of telling whether the edits you're making are related to the conflict or not, then you're clearly not going to be able to stick to the ban and a block will ensue to minimise damage to Wikipedia. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 01:28, 4 January 2013 (UTC) Could you please look at this edits [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:ZScarpia&diff=prev&oldid=531292272] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Nableezy&diff=prev&oldid=531223059] as I think ubikwit might have broken his IBAN as he talked about other editor and his TBAN too.--[[user:Shrike|Shrike]] ([[User talk:Shrike|talk]])/[[WP:RX]] 19:28, 4 January 2013 (UTC) :I see that topic ban that you gave to editors is only it article/talk space the usual scope is all [[wp:namespaces]].--[[user:Shrike|Shrike]] ([[User talk:Shrike|talk]])/[[WP:RX]] 20:34, 4 January 2013 (UTC) ::I'm too busy to look at this right now. Report it to [[WP:ANI]] if you think it's a violation of the interaction ban and [[WP:AE]] if you think it's a violation of the topic ban. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 01:00, 5 January 2013 (UTC) :::Regarding the last bit, I can always extend the ban to all namespaces under the discretionary sanctions if it turns out to be necessary. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 12:01, 5 January 2013 (UTC) == When you have a chance == In case your decision to impose sanctions at that point had been influenced by the statement of Nableezy on the ANI page, he has admitted that he mistook some comments/sources posted on the Colonialism Talk page he was addressing as being made by me when they weren't by me. [[User_talk:Nableezy#Colonialism_2]] I'd misunderstood the parameters of the IBAN (extending to User Talk pages) in discussing the issue with Nableezy at first , so I deleted nonconforming references that were made with respect to Nableezy's ANI comment relative to that article and Talk page.--[[User:Ubikwit|Ubikwit]] ([[User talk:Ubikwit|talk]]) 10:12, 5 January 2013 (UTC) :I'm really not interested in any of this. If you want to appeal the bans for whatever reason then go ahead and do so, although I doubt the community will appreciate your appealing a ban only a few days after it was given to you. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 11:57, 5 January 2013 (UTC) ::No rush. ::I see that Shrike has complained about my responding to [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Jerusalem&diff=531260801&oldid=531260652 this] on the questioners user talk page. I assume that in view of the scope of the topic ban sanction that it would be acceptable to continue that specific discussion there, correct?--[[User:Ubikwit|Ubikwit]] ([[User talk:Ubikwit|talk]]) 12:50, 5 January 2013 (UTC) :::I will repeat what I said to Evildoer187. I can't keep answering questions about what your topic ban applies to and what it does not, otherwise you'll be checking with me before you make every single edit. This is the final thing I have to say on the matter: Before making an edit, ask yourself "Is this edit related to the Arab-Israeli conflict?". Based on the answer to that question, you know whether you should be making the edit or not. FYI, if you're incapable of telling whether the edits you're making are related to the conflict or not, then you're clearly not going to be able to stick to the ban and a block will ensue to minimise damage to Wikipedia. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 12:54, 5 January 2013 (UTC) ==Talkback== {{talkback|Guerillero|ts=03:11, 7 January 2013 (UTC)}} [[User:Guerillero|<font color="#0b0080">Guerillero</font>]] &#124; [[User_talk:Guerillero|<font color="green">My Talk</font>]] 03:11, 7 January 2013 (UTC) == Crat statement draft == Hi Following the drama at BN, I'm trying to come up with a statement all Crats could agree to. Please take a look, below. I am quite content to do this onwiki -we have always worked transparently, except where secrecy is essential (ie RTV). I think we should be able to wordsmith a statement acceptable to all, and I think it's an important thing to do. # In my opinion, this issue has come about through an unfortunate proliferation of documentation: policy, guideline, how-to etc # I am not convinced that there is community consensus on all of the points encapsulated in those various pages # I am unhappy at what may be described as some or all of: inconsistencies, inaccuracies or lack of clarity in that documentation # I do not believe that any of the issues we have faced have been caused by Crats trying to widen their powers # I would like to see the issues clarified, based on consensus, and for the documentation to be updated accordingly # I'd like to thank Griot-de for generously withdrawing the rename request Signed [crat sig] Lmk what you think. Many thanks, --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] ([[User talk:Dweller|talk]]) 10:55, 7 January 2013 (UTC) ==De Facto SPI== The section you collapsed had my diffs in it. This is what this person ''always'' does – drags something out until it's unreadable. I'm just trying to find where this guy accused me of [[confirmation bias]] in exactly the same way as he's just done to someone else today, but I'm wondering if there's any point. Curatrice and MeasureIT are so obviously the same person as Eff Won, it's blinding. I don't mean to have a pop at you but this editor makes working on Wikipedia a total pain in the backside. I'm ''so'' bored of trawling through the contributions of all these socks trying to find diffs to get the latest sock blocked. Maybe we should all just let him edit. [[User:Bretonbanquet|Bretonbanquet]] ([[User talk:Bretonbanquet|talk]]) 20:02, 7 January 2013 (UTC) :As you can see from my comment, that case is sorely missing diffs. If you've provided some in that section, I will attempt to find them. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 20:04, 7 January 2013 (UTC) ::There aren't many because Curatrice has only been around for a short time, and he's clever enough to avoid F1 articles, which were all Eff Won ever edited. De Facto also edited F1 articles. But the debating "style" is identical, and it's hard to provide diffs beyond a comparison between various endless arguments like the one you just collapsed. I guess it's because I've spent so long arguing with him that it sticks out like a sore thumb. To an outsider it may not be so clear, I accept that. [[User:Bretonbanquet|Bretonbanquet]] ([[User talk:Bretonbanquet|talk]]) 20:09, 7 January 2013 (UTC) == Evildoer187 == Please could you have a word with Evildoer187? His editing on anodyne and neutral articles (I witnessed his editing on [[Ethnic groups in Europe]]) has been unsourced and agenda-driven, reverted by multiple editors. I advised him that he could not use wikipedia articles as sources for other wikipedia articles. His reaction was not very encouraging and I fear that he is heading towards a community ban. That's just how it appears to me. [[User:Mathsci|Mathsci]] ([[User talk:Mathsci|talk]]) 15:21, 8 January 2013 (UTC) :Check the talk page on the article. I have reverted my edits there, and anyone who wants to discuss it can feel free to do so. I just thought my edits were obvious enough that they didn't need sources, but it appears I was wrong and I apologize for that.[[User:Evildoer187|Evildoer187]] ([[User talk:Evildoer187|talk]]) 15:25, 8 January 2013 (UTC) ::The whole pattern of editing on [[White people]], [[Ethnic groups in Europe]], <s>[[German people]]</s> [[Germans]], etc, has been problematic. [[User:Mathsci|Mathsci]] ([[User talk:Mathsci|talk]]) 15:35, 8 January 2013 (UTC) <small>with correction. [[User:Mathsci|Mathsci]] ([[User talk:Mathsci|talk]]) 16:09, 8 January 2013 (UTC)</small> :::I haven't made ''any'' edits on German people, so what are you talking about. I participated in the discussion, but that's it. As for the White people article, that was more of a disagreement over terminology than anything else. I put in "Southwest Asia" so as to narrow it down from the more broad "Middle East", because the Middle East also encompasses Northern Africa and the paragraph in question was about immigrants from Asia. Of course, my revision there was met with hostility and accusations of agenda pushing. I made another mistake there, which I have since reverted upon recognition of it.[[User:Evildoer187|Evildoer187]] ([[User talk:Evildoer187|talk]]) 15:48, 8 January 2013 (UTC) :::You know what? I think I'm just gonna pull back from editing for a while. It has become apparent that I am just not in a good mindset for editing right now.[[User:Evildoer187|Evildoer187]] ([[User talk:Evildoer187|talk]]) 15:58, 8 January 2013 (UTC) == ''The Signpost'': 07 January 2013 == <div style="-moz-column-count:2; -webkit-column-count:2; column-count:2;"> {{Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2013-01-07}} </div><!--Volume 9, Issue 02--> <div class="hlist" style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;"> * '''[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost|Read this Signpost in full]]''' * [[Wikipedia:Signpost/Single|Single-page]] * [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Subscribe|Unsubscribe]] * [[User:EdwardsBot|EdwardsBot]] ([[User talk:EdwardsBot|talk]]) 15:17, 9 January 2013 (UTC) </div> <!-- EdwardsBot 0434 --> == Turkey == Hi Deskana. I've just been looking at a protected edit request at the [[Turkey]] article, and I was wondering if you would be willing to reduce the protection level to semi-protection. There hasn't been any new discussion about the disputed content since January 1, so it doesn't look like a consensus will be reached there any time soon. I think it would be best to reduce protection and start handing out blocks if the edit warring continues. Does this sound like a reasonable solution, do you think? Best — '''''[[User:Mr. Stradivarius|<span style="color: #194D00; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif">Mr. Stradivarius</span>]]''''' <sup>([[User talk:Mr. Stradivarius|have a chat]])</sup> 19:33, 9 January 2013 (UTC) :I was actually coming here to ask the very same thing. Deskana, we've spoken before a number of years ago, although I'm not sure if you remember me &mdash; I went by the name "Master&Expert" at the time. I was in the midst of reading articles pertaining to the [[Ottoman Empire]], and naturally I wound up wandering onto the present-day nation state's page, only to find that it's currently locked from editing. Knowing that full protection is ''generally'' only used in circumstances where edit warring has occurred and individual blocks would not bring the situation to a resolution, I decided to check the article history to see what's been going on. Yes, there's been a lot of tendentious editing of the article in recent times, and I can back protecting it for a while. But I think now would be a good time to downgrade the protection level for Turkey, my reasons being the same as those given by [[User:Mr. Stradivarius|Mr. Stradivarius]]. If the tendentious editing persists, then we may need to start considering editor-specific sanctions. [[User:Kurtis|Kurtis]] [[User talk:Kurtis|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 22:37, 10 January 2013 (UTC) ::I don't have the time to police the page. If someone actually does start edit warring then I'm not going to be able to help you and you'll have to seek help elsewhere. Are you sure you're alright with that? --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 08:39, 11 January 2013 (UTC) :::Yes, that's fine by me. [[User:Kurtis|Kurtis]] [[User talk:Kurtis|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 10:50, 11 January 2013 (UTC) ::::I've gone ahead and reduced the protection. I'll keep an eye on the article, so you (Deskana) don't have to worry about it being policed. — '''''[[User:Mr. Stradivarius|<span style="color: #194D00; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif">Mr. Stradivarius</span>]]''''' <sup>[[User talk:Mr. Stradivarius|♪ talk ♪]]</sup> 10:11, 13 January 2013 (UTC) ==Talkback== {{talkback|Avs5221|ts=21:43, 9 January 2013 (UTC)}} [[User:Avs5221|avs5221]]<sup>([[User talk:Avs5221|talk]]&#124;[[Special:Contributions/Avs5221|contrib]])</sup> 21:43, 9 January 2013 (UTC) == Just an FYI == I made a post at the [[WP:RD/E|entertainment reference desk]] regarding an issue with which you have been involved. The discussion can be found [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Entertainment#2013_East_Asian_Games here]. I specifically mentioned a post you made on the talk page of an indefinitely blocked editor, so I figured it'd be appropriate for me to notify you of the thread. Take care. [[User:Kurtis|Kurtis]] [[User talk:Kurtis|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 02:28, 15 January 2013 (UTC) == ''The Signpost'': 14 January 2013 == <div style="-moz-column-count:2; -webkit-column-count:2; column-count:2;"> {{Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2013-01-14}} </div><!--Volume 9, Issue 03--> <div class="hlist" style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;"> * '''[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost|Read this Signpost in full]]''' * [[Wikipedia:Signpost/Single|Single-page]] * [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Subscribe|Unsubscribe]] * [[User:EdwardsBot|EdwardsBot]] ([[User talk:EdwardsBot|talk]]) 16:45, 16 January 2013 (UTC) </div> <!-- EdwardsBot 0440 --> == SPI == You were the checkuer for [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/skiracer25]]. Confused by your statement. I thought checkuser was to provide additional information to confirm/deny cases where there was not definitive evidence. In DUCK cases would it not be better than just relying on coincidence? [[User:Gaijin42|Gaijin42]] ([[User talk:Gaijin42|talk]]) 00:04, 18 January 2013 (UTC) :This is why I absolutely hate the [[WP:DUCK]] page because it leads to misunderstandings like this one. [[WP:DUCK]] does not say "If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then you'd better check it's a duck because you might be wrong". If you're citing [[WP:DUCK]] then I'm just going to deny the case; you've already, by linking that page, told me that the connection is obvious. To quote the page "The duck test allows us to consider it an obvious sock-puppet, and act in consequence". This is why the case was tagged as unnecessary; you'd already said that they were obvious sockpuppets, so me running the check would be pointless. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 00:43, 18 January 2013 (UTC) == Account merging == Good morning, Deskana.</br> I'm an admin on the Italian version of Wikipedia and I've been editing pages since 2002. Unfortunately I couldn't merge [http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Ariel my account] in all the versions of this project, e.g. the English one. I'm logged as §Ariel instead of Ariel here in fact. Now I noticed that the [[User:Ariel]] page and its [[User talk:Ariel|talk]] were deleted and that user has not any contributes at all. So I wonder whether it is possible to merge §Ariel in Ariel. You can write me back [http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Ariel on my Italian talk page]. Thanks in advance. Have a nice day! --[[User:§Ariel|§Ariel]] ([[User talk:§Ariel|talk]]) 15:08, 19 January 2013 (UTC) :Thanks! I just posted a request. I hope I did not make any mistake. :-) --[[User:§Ariel|§Ariel]] ([[User talk:§Ariel|talk]]) 15:35, 19 January 2013 (UTC) == Well, nuts. == Hey, Deskana! So, I had gone to [[User:Maydewsl]], intending to block as an obvious sock, but i decided to wait on the CU results. When WilliamH declined, I went ahead and blocked, but after doing so, I saw that you said it's unrelated...so what happens now? Unblock? I still find it hard to believe that a completely innocent account finds their way to that AfD as their only edit, voting "per IronKnuckle" within ten minutes of registering and two hours of the AfD being created. [[User:Writ Keeper|Writ Keeper]] [[User Talk: Writ Keeper|&#9863;]][[Special:Contributions/Writ_Keeper|&#9812;]] 17:15, 22 January 2013 (UTC) :Although it may not appear so at first, mine and WilliamH's evaluations of the case are not mutually exclusive. People don't just appear and support AfDs like that. I agree that it's almost certainly a sock of someone, I just don't know who. If they give us an unblock request it can be evaluated. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 17:18, 22 January 2013 (UTC) ::Heh, okay. I guess that, despite my fervent wishes, CU has obstinately persisted in its refusal to be magic pixie dust. :) I'll keep the page on my watchlist in case an unblock request is forthcoming. [[User:Writ Keeper|Writ Keeper]] [[User Talk: Writ Keeper|&#9863;]][[Special:Contributions/Writ_Keeper|&#9812;]] 17:21, 22 January 2013 (UTC) :::I believe he has made an unblock request, but may have done it incorrectly. If CU came back unrelated, is one AFD comment really sufficient evidence for a duck block? [[User:Gaijin42|Gaijin42]] ([[User talk:Gaijin42|talk]]) 17:25, 22 January 2013 (UTC) ::::That's not for me to decide. I will not act as judge, jury and executioner on checkuser cases. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 17:28, 22 January 2013 (UTC) == ''The Signpost'': 21 January 2013 == <div style="-moz-column-count:2; -webkit-column-count:2; column-count:2;"> {{Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2013-01-21}} </div><!--Volume 9, Issue 04--> <div class="hlist" style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;"> * '''[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost|Read this Signpost in full]]''' * [[Wikipedia:Signpost/Single|Single-page]] * [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Subscribe|Unsubscribe]] * [[User:EdwardsBot|EdwardsBot]] ([[User talk:EdwardsBot|talk]]) 01:16, 24 January 2013 (UTC) </div> <!-- EdwardsBot 0446 --> == RTI Investigates WikiPedia == Dear Sir Madam Radio Tatras International, RTI, via the Slovak studio (please check the IP) has been contacted by a number of listeners due to the spat on WikiPedia. Below a very cordial exchange with another admin. Please delete if you feel better about it. Therefore, can I ask you the same questions as posed to your colleague. I am happy to share that we have coached T2G Students in radio interview, worked with some as work-experience students (radio is only one aspect of our overall business) I will be happy state in a skype call, should you wish, how much miss-information is being peddled by those editing Train2Game. There is an interesting side to this for you, since the new regulations came in controlling any we content with a UK office and/or editorial control, many companies no longer fill there sites with hundreds of claims. It is easy to see this working with Train2Game. repeatedly one Admin has claimed Train2game is another company whilst saying it was former by two companies - further he always took out the reference to City and Guilds - I have evidence of this. As an friendly FYI, Google Train2Game City and Guilds and watch the Youtube video by City and Guilds on the subject. Respectfully yours RTI Hi Wehwalt Thanks for trying with the Train2Game page. I tried to make correct amendments after being advised of the incorrect entry by listeners. I fear your efforts are pointless. The reason, even when those not embroiled in the war of words edit the page, David replaces the entry with miss-information. Which tells us, the complaint we received against Wikipedia is genuine. As the person who tried, we would like to invite you to explain how this works. As there is no email for you, please send your email explaining the complaints procedure you followed for the attention of "RTI Investigates Wikipedia" via studio@rti.fm which is on the air. The wiki page has miss-information on RTI as well - never mind. Regards TEAM RTI - N.B. you will find the IP is Slovakia. RTI also likes to remind contributors that if it feels miss represented in shows it can lodge a complaint with OFCOM where RTI remains licensed to broadcast A copy of this note has been retained on file — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.112.79.171 (talk) 17:55, 27 January 2013 (UTC) Since I gather my protection of the page was not universally applauded, I think it would be better if another admin made the next move.--Wehwalt (talk) 18:06, 27 January 2013 (UTC) So you mean that if someone wants to add miss information you simply agree - there are thousands of Train2Game students with a large number already contacting us. If you still feel unable to comments on the specifics of this issue can you share the procedures for blocking a user for sharing miss information and who does one report this to, the person with the responsibility to amend content and ban offending users please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.112.79.171 (talk) 18:17, 27 January 2013 (UTC) The place to discuss incorrect information in the article is the talk page of the article. You don't seem to have written anything there yet. Incidentally, you should be careful with your comments about complaining to OFCOM - such comments could constitute a threat to take action off Wikipedia, and may get you blocked from editing according to Wikipedia's WP:NLT policy. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 18:26, 27 January 2013 (UTC) The OFCOM statement is good practice - contributors should be made aware that if they feel there was a wrong doing they have a right to complain about the offending comments made. Thank you for the comments about WikiPedia policy, very interesting — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.112.79.171 (talk) 18:33, 27 January 2013 (UTC) You may not be aware OFCOM is the broadcast regulator in the UK. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.112.79.171 (talk) 18:36, 27 January 2013 (UTC) <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/188.112.79.171|188.112.79.171]] ([[User talk:188.112.79.171|talk]]) </span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> :What are you even asking me here? Your message is badly formatted, contains content copied from another page, and has no clear point. If you've got something to ask me, please do so explicitly. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 18:55, 27 January 2013 (UTC) EXCUSE ME - the formatting is due to WikiePedia not me - I was sharing information to bring you up to speed. OK to simplicity. RTI Listeners want to know why WikiPedia is allowing untruths and miss information to be posted on the Train2Game page of WikiPedia? The listeners are students. Regards RTI <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/188.112.79.171|188.112.79.171]] ([[User talk:188.112.79.171|talk]]) 19:09, 27 January 2013 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> :So you open your interview with a [[loaded question]]? I expect better if you wish to convince me to comment. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 20:26, 27 January 2013 (UTC) [[Radio Tatras International]] is not a broadcaster any more. It's now a podcaster - [[User:David Gerard|David Gerard]] ([[User talk:David Gerard|talk]]) 23:04, 27 January 2013 (UTC) : I'm really not trying to convince you to comment, I am giving you the opportunity. If you do not wish to comment then that's what will stated. David, with respect is relying on content from Wikipedia which is also not accurate - a trip to the web site would prove that. I can't imagine why he didn't bother to check the referenced web site as he could have then updated the page to be accurate. RTI will not be updating pages on Wikipedia. Regards RTI <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/84.16.42.254|84.16.42.254]] ([[User talk:84.16.42.254|talk]]) 13:24, 28 January 2013 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> ==You've got mail!== {{you've got mail|subject=|ts=21:53, 28 January 2013 (UTC)}} [[User:Pol430|<font color="#00008B">'''Pol430'''</font>]] [[User talk:Pol430|<font color="#9966CC">''talk to me''</font>]] 21:53, 28 January 2013 (UTC) == AfC == hello, please could you re-review my article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Men%27s_Fitness_Germany I have added more references thanks [[User:Perrymanku|Perrymanku]] ([[User talk:Perrymanku|talk]]) 12:12, 29 January 2013 (UTC) :[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk%3AArticles_for_creation%2FMen%27s_Fitness_Germany&diff=535497838&oldid=535377175 No you haven't]. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 12:14, 29 January 2013 (UTC) :In fact, based on your three AfC submissions you have demonstrated quite clearly that you do not understand our referencing process. It has been suggested to you multiple times that you read [[WP:VRS]] but you do not appear to have done so. I would suggest you do not waste any more time on submissions that will not get approved due to poor references. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 12:17, 29 January 2013 (UTC) == ''The Signpost'': 28 January 2013 == <div style="-moz-column-count:2; -webkit-column-count:2; column-count:2;"> {{Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2013-01-28}} </div><!--Volume 9, Issue 05--> <div class="hlist" style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;"> * '''[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost|Read this Signpost in full]]''' * [[Wikipedia:Signpost/Single|Single-page]] * [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Subscribe|Unsubscribe]] * [[User:EdwardsBot|EdwardsBot]] ([[User talk:EdwardsBot|talk]]) 20:22, 30 January 2013 (UTC) </div> <!-- EdwardsBot 0452 --> == ''The Signpost'': 04 February 2013 == <div style="-moz-column-count:2; -webkit-column-count:2; column-count:2;"> {{Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2013-02-04}} </div><!--Volume 9, Issue 06--> <div class="hlist" style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;"> * '''[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost|Read this Signpost in full]]''' * [[Wikipedia:Signpost/Single|Single-page]] * [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Subscribe|Unsubscribe]] * [[User:EdwardsBot|EdwardsBot]] ([[User talk:EdwardsBot|talk]]) 04:01, 6 February 2013 (UTC) </div> <!-- EdwardsBot 0456 --> == Youve got mail! == {{you've got mail}} [[User:Nick Thorne|<font color = "darkblue">'''Nick Thorne'''</font>]] [[User talk:Nick Thorne|<font color = "darkblue"><sup>''talk''</sup></font>]] 21:26, 6 February 2013 (UTC) ==Training the Trainers== Hi Deskana, we're looking to finalise numbers and I just wanted to confirm that you're still interested in attending the event on 23-24th February? Thanks, [[User:Richard Nevell (WMUK)|Richard Nevell (WMUK)]] ([[User talk:Richard Nevell (WMUK)|talk]]) 20:14, 8 February 2013 (UTC) :Hi Richard, I'm still interested in attending if there's space for me. Thanks! --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 20:19, 8 February 2013 (UTC) ::Thanks. As 18 people have registered their interest and there's only space for 12 we're in the process of chasing up who can come and who would need accommodation (arranged by Wikimedia UK). I'm assuming given your comments on the event talk page that you would not need accommodation. Would that be correct? [[User:Richard Nevell (WMUK)|Richard Nevell (WMUK)]] ([[User talk:Richard Nevell (WMUK)|talk]]) 12:32, 11 February 2013 (UTC) :::That is correct. I live in Manchester city centre. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 13:31, 11 February 2013 (UTC) Hi Deskana, the details of the venue are now on the [[:wmuk:Training_the_Trainers/February_2013_event|UK wiki]]. [[User:Richard Nevell (WMUK)|Richard Nevell (WMUK)]] ([[User talk:Richard Nevell (WMUK)|talk]]) 13:56, 12 February 2013 (UTC) :That's not Manchester, that's Salford! There's a difference! </mancunian> In seriousness, the walk from my flat will take me past Victoria station so if anyone is arriving to Manchester there on Saturday morning I could meet them and walk to the venue with them. I imagine they'll be arriving on Friday night though? Still, let me know if you'd like me to do that. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 14:21, 12 February 2013 (UTC) ::We've finalised the list of attendees and you're amongst the 12. See you there! [[User:Richard Nevell (WMUK)|Richard Nevell (WMUK)]] ([[User talk:Richard Nevell (WMUK)|talk]]) 11:27, 13 February 2013 (UTC) {{ygm}} [[User:Richard Nevell (WMUK)|Richard Nevell (WMUK)]] ([[User talk:Richard Nevell (WMUK)|talk]]) 15:33, 13 February 2013 (UTC) == Clarification == Dear Deskana, your name has been mentioned unnecessarily in an ARE discussion together with mine. According to what is claimed there, "''I assume you are a sock of the user I assumed was socking''" (sic). I am sure that if you saw this you only laughed. Even so I would like to clarify here publicly that I never had any doubt about neither yourself nor any other WP admin who are check users. I can imagine that being a check user is a huge resposibility and I have no doubt the best people are chosen for this function; therefore I have full confidence on each and every one of them. I would sincerely like to apologise you for this unlucky referral of your user name. Thanks for your time and effort in trying to make WP a better place, discovering dishonest users. Greetings and best wishes. Take care. --[[User:E4024|E4024]] ([[User talk:E4024|talk]]) 10:06, 10 February 2013 (UTC) :It is quite humorous. Either way, you need not trouble yourself about my reaction to it. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 13:39, 11 February 2013 (UTC) == [[User:Ardram3]] == You can now give it the required flag.—[[User:C678|<span style="color:pink;font-family:Neuropol">cyberpower]] <sub style="color:olive;font-family:arnprior">Online</sub>[[User talk:C678|<sup style="margin-left:-6.1ex;color:olive;font-family:arnprior">Be my Valentine]] 15:09, 12 February 2013 (UTC) == ''The Signpost'': 11 February 2013 == <div style="-moz-column-count:2; -webkit-column-count:2; column-count:2;"> {{Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2013-02-11}} </div><!--Volume 9, Issue 07--> <div class="hlist" style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;"> * '''[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost|Read this Signpost in full]]''' * [[Wikipedia:Signpost/Single|Single-page]] * [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Subscribe|Unsubscribe]] * [[User:EdwardsBot|EdwardsBot]] ([[User talk:EdwardsBot|talk]]) 10:15, 13 February 2013 (UTC) </div> <!-- EdwardsBot 0461 --> == A cupcake for you! == {| style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;" |style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;" | [[File:Choco-Nut Bake with Meringue Top cropped.jpg|120px]] |style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Awwwww :-) All the way from Liverpool. 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[[User:Subsuter|Subsuter]] ([[User talk:Subsuter|talk]]) 14:52, 16 February 2013 (UTC) |} == ''The Signpost'': 18 February 2013 == <div style="-moz-column-count:2; -webkit-column-count:2; column-count:2;"> {{Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2013-02-18}} </div><!--Volume 9, Issue 7--> <div class="hlist" style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;"> * '''[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost|Read this Signpost in full]]''' * [[Wikipedia:Signpost/Single|Single-page]] * [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Subscribe|Unsubscribe]] * [[User:EdwardsBot|EdwardsBot]] ([[User talk:EdwardsBot|talk]]) 21:06, 20 February 2013 (UTC) </div> <!-- EdwardsBot 0465 --> == ''The Signpost'': 25 February 2013 == <div style="-moz-column-count:2; -webkit-column-count:2; column-count:2;"> {{Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2013-02-25}} </div><!--Volume 9, Issue 8--> <div class="hlist" style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;"> * '''[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost|Read this Signpost in full]]''' * [[Wikipedia:Signpost/Single|Single-page]] * [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Subscribe|Unsubscribe]] * [[User:EdwardsBot|EdwardsBot]] ([[User talk:EdwardsBot|talk]]) 07:45, 28 February 2013 (UTC) </div> <!-- EdwardsBot 0474 --> == [[You've Got Mail]] == {{umbox | image = {{#if:|Tweet-new.png|Mail-message-new.svg}} | text = Hello{{#ifeq:{{NAMESPACE}}|User talk|, {{#titleparts:{{PAGENAME}}|1}}}}. {{#if:|Check your Twitter—you've got a tweet!|Please check your e-mail &ndash; you've got mail!}} {{#if:|The subject is {{{subject}}}.}}<br /><span class="plainlinks" style="font-size: 88%; font-weight: normal;">{{#if:|Message added {{{ts}}}.}} You can [{{fullurl:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|action=edit}} remove this notice] at any time by removing the {{tl|You've got mail}} or {{tl|YGM}} template.</span> }} &ndash;[[User:BuickCenturyDriver|BuickCentury]][[User talk:BuickCenturyDriver|Driver]] 12:55, 28 February 2013 (UTC) == ''The Signpost'': 04 March 2013 == <div style="-moz-column-count:2; -webkit-column-count:2; column-count:2;"> {{Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2013-03-04}} </div><!--Volume 9, Issue 9--> <div class="hlist" style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;"> * '''[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost|Read this Signpost in full]]''' * [[Wikipedia:Signpost/Single|Single-page]] * [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Subscribe|Unsubscribe]] * [[User:EdwardsBot|EdwardsBot]] ([[User talk:EdwardsBot|talk]]) 23:22, 7 March 2013 (UTC) </div> <!-- EdwardsBot 0479 --> == ''The Signpost'': 11 March 2013 == <div style="-moz-column-count:2; -webkit-column-count:2; column-count:2;"> {{Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2013-03-11}} </div><!--Volume 9, Issue 10--> <div class="hlist" style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;"> * '''[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost|Read this Signpost in full]]''' * [[Wikipedia:Signpost/Single|Single-page]] * [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Subscribe|Unsubscribe]] * [[User:EdwardsBot|EdwardsBot]] ([[User talk:EdwardsBot|talk]]) 10:18, 13 March 2013 (UTC) </div> <!-- EdwardsBot 0480 --> == You might want to check out these == Could be Wagner. *{{User|L. Hulbert}} *{{User|FlakyDiscord}} *{{User|Discorded Flaky}} *{{User|84.12.14.53}} <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:194.83.68.229|194.83.68.229]] ([[User talk:194.83.68.229|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/194.83.68.229|contribs]]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> :I have no idea what you're talking about, I'm afraid. Who's Wagner? --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 16:18, 13 March 2013 (UTC) ::[[User:Wagner]]. A sockpuppeteer. [[Special:Contributions/194.83.68.229|194.83.68.229]] ([[User talk:194.83.68.229|talk]]) 12:33, 14 March 2013 (UTC) :::I see. Well, you should file an SPI case. Due to my Ombudsman Commission appointment, I am refraining from routine use of checkuser. Plus, I don't check accounts just because someone posts a collection of them on my talk page and says "Could be socks". --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 12:37, 14 March 2013 (UTC) ::::I can't file an SPI case due to the page being protected. [[Special:Contributions/194.83.68.229|194.83.68.229]] ([[User talk:194.83.68.229|talk]]) 12:43, 14 March 2013 (UTC) :::::That's unfortunate. In that case, you should contact an [[WP:Sockpuppet investigations/SPI/Clerks|clerk]] to assist you in filing a case. For the reasons listed above, I am unable to do so. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 17:04, 14 March 2013 (UTC) ==Hi== Thank you for blocking IP 87.232.1.48 as I suspected all along I was right concerning the IP. Just for the record I can tell you that I suspected the IPs 134.226.254.178 and 87.232.101.49 was used by the IP for quite some time so good that someone finally did something. I am quite certain also that user page MaxxFordham is used of IP 87.232.1.48 and if so a attempt to give the illusion of consensus at a discussion on the [[Killing of Travis Alexander]] article has been taken place. Thank you again.--[[User:BabbaQ|BabbaQ]] ([[User talk:BabbaQ|talk]]) 13:44, 17 March 2013 (UTC) == Help for investigation in sqwiki == Hello Deskana, I'm writing this request to you because you're currently part of [[:meta:Ombudsman_commission|Ombudsman commission]]. My nick is [[:sq:User:Euriditi|Euriditi]], an administrator in [[:sq:Faqja_kryesore|Albanian Wikipedia]] ([http://sq.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Speciale%3ARreshtoP%C3%ABrdoruesit&username=&group=sysop&editsOnly=1&limit=50 verify]). It's been almost two weeks now that in ours community a group of users had been discussing harshly and taking personal attacks to each other about a couple of articles (regarding political figures of Albania's history). The situation escalated quickly, they also accused each-other for using [[Wikipedia:Sock puppetry|Sock puppet]] accounts, violating [[Wikipedia:List_of_guidelines#Behavioral|community standards]] in order to support in discussion pages and our Village Pump their personal ides. Personally, I think that these suspicions stands, because new, unxeperienced users (created only hours ago) start to discuss old issues. This is really strange for our small wiki community. We also [[:sq:Wikipedia:Kontrolluesit_e_adresave_IP/kandidimet|organised a voting to elect a Check user]], but the voting process will take much time and this case is very sensitive. All I fear is that this might become a potential disruption for our community. So, our community express the will that Ombudsman commission must investigate this case. The investigation should be done for all the users who commented and expressed opinions in these sections of Village Pump [[:sq:WP:Kuvendi#Diskutoni se ç'duhet bërë me artikuj të dyshimtë si Lufta Civile 1943-1944|Diskutoni se ç'duhet bërë me artikuj të dyshimtë si Lufta Civile 1943-1944]], [[:sq:WP:Kuvendi#OFERTE PER PAQTIM!!!!|OFERTE PER PAQTIM!!!!]] and [[:sq:WP:Kuvendi#Paralajmërim ndaj Babagjysh për fjalët e pista dhe vandalizmat e bëra nga ai|Paralajmërim ndaj Babagjysh për fjalët e pista dhe vandalizmat e bëra nga ai]] because these are the sections where suspected Sock puppet commented. To conclude the users that should be investigated are: *'''[[:sq:User:Tetovo boy|User:Tetovo boy]]''' *'''[[:sq:User:Adriatik Çela|User:Adriatik Çela]]''' *'''[[:sq:User:Arb.iter|User:Arb.iter]]''' *[[:sq:User:Babagjysh|User:Babagjysh]] *[[:sq:User:Euriditi|User:Euriditi]] (including me) *[[:sq:User:Mr. Pseudo|User:Mr. Pseudo]] *[[:sq:User:Hatake|User:Hatake]] *[[:sq:User:Maja e Lëpjetës|User:Maja e Lëpjetës]] : (* suspected users are in bold) Please investigate this case as soon as possible. For further elucidation you can contact me in sqwiki. The results of this investigation should be posted at our [[:sq:WP:Kuvendi|Village Pump]] - '''[[User:Euriditi|<font style="text-shadow:#000 0.1em 0.1em 0.1em; background: #C44747; color:white;l">&nbsp;Euriditi&nbsp;</font>]]''' 11:08, 19 March 2013 (UTC) :Per this user's request, I responded on his talk page on sqwiki. The response can be seen [http://sq.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=P%C3%ABrdoruesi_diskutim:Euriditi&diff=1298863&oldid=1298802 here]. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 11:39, 19 March 2013 (UTC) :: Thanks a lot. I really appreciate your help. I moved the request at [http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Steward_requests/Checkuser&oldid=5331132#Euriditi.40sq.wiki Steward requests/Checkuser]. --'''[[User:Euriditi|<font style="text-shadow:#000 0.1em 0.1em 0.1em; background: #C44747; color:white;l">&nbsp;Euriditi&nbsp;</font>]]''' 12:12, 19 March 2013 (UTC) == ''The Signpost'': 18 March 2013 == <div style="-moz-column-count:2; -webkit-column-count:2; column-count:2;"> {{Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2013-03-18}} </div><!--Volume 9, Issue 11--> <div class="hlist" style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;"> * '''[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost|Read this Signpost in full]]''' * [[Wikipedia:Signpost/Single|Single-page]] * [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Subscribe|Unsubscribe]] * [[User:EdwardsBot|EdwardsBot]] ([[User talk:EdwardsBot|talk]]) 10:05, 22 March 2013 (UTC) </div> <!-- EdwardsBot 0484 --> == [[Hunter Douglas]] == Hello, you chimed in at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hunter Douglas]]. I've worked on the article, adding references, and think I've removed most traces of COI editing. Would you be willing to take another look? Thanks. [[User:Cullen328|'''<font color="green">Cullen</font>'''<sup><font color="purple">328</font></sup>]] [[User talk:Cullen328|<font color="blue">''Let's discuss it''</font>]] 04:27, 24 March 2013 (UTC) :Still reads as very promotional to me, though it's definitely not as bad as it was. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 22:55, 24 March 2013 (UTC) == Just so you know... == I began my comment before you closed the discussion and didn't get an edit conflict when I hit the save button. Given that this is how the wikimedia software works, I really don't think it was necessary to undo my comment. [[User:Slp1|Slp1]] ([[User talk:Slp1|talk]]) 17:51, 26 March 2013 (UTC) == ''The Signpost'': 25 March 2013 == <div style="-moz-column-count:2; -webkit-column-count:2; column-count:2;"> {{Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2013-03-25}} </div><!--Volume 9, Issue 12--> <div class="hlist" style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;"> * '''[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost|Read this Signpost in full]]''' * [[Wikipedia:Signpost/Single|Single-page]] * [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Subscribe|Unsubscribe]] * [[User:EdwardsBot|EdwardsBot]] ([[User talk:EdwardsBot|talk]]) 01:55, 29 March 2013 (UTC) </div> <!-- EdwardsBot 0488 --> == Not such a great idea == I'm pretty sure we aren't acquainted with each other (if that's the case then, hello! Nice to meet you!), and I know you made this comment with the best of intentions[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Viriditas&curid=25595056&diff=547595543&oldid=547188546], but this editor is eminently unqualified to be working with SPI. He has a history (recent mind you) of accusations of socking against other editors that have no merit, e.g. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Acoma_Magic/Archive#29_December_2012 consider this SPI where Viriditias added Belchfire, a frequent opponent of Viriditas] because one user name is known for "belching fire" and the other username is known to "belch farts". Saedon said ''All of this is massively circumstantial and not even close to enough to be considered a well reasoned argument'' and ''[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Belchfire&diff=next&oldid=530375488 This is one of the more asinine arguments I've seen in a sock accusation. In case anyone is interested, the most asinine was someone accusing [[User:Yobol]] of being sock because "Yobol" is "lobby" backwards. I mean, it's not but even if it was, just holy crap. Too much dopamine.]''. This is not an isolated incident. I of course am a bit biased as you might imagine -- having been accused by Viriditias of being a sock with absolutely zero evidence (with a highly offensive personal attack throw in[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Binksternet&diff=530092885&oldid=530092780] at the same time to boot). Yeah, he got it right this time at ANI, because he used diffs, not specious speculation. Regards.&nbsp;&nbsp;[[User:Little_green_rosetta|<font color="blue">little</font> <font color="green">green rosetta</font>]]{{SubSup||[[Special:Contributions/Little_green_rosetta|central scrutinizer]]|[[User talk:Little green rosetta|(talk)]]}} 11:52, 29 March 2013 (UTC) :Hello. I appreciate your concerns. Let me explain how I see this. If he's capable of clerking properly, then we can use him. Based only on what I've seen myself (which, if I want to be fair and impartial, is all I can use to judge his behaviour), he is. If he's not capable of clerking properly, then that will become evident and we can ask him to stop. I was not offering to let him bypass the process; he'd have to sign up and wait for a trainer to pick him like any other clerk. Hopefully that alleviates your concerns. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 11:57, 29 March 2013 (UTC) ::Sure, no harm will be done. This was more of a caveat emptor message. Thanks.&nbsp;&nbsp;[[User:Little_green_rosetta|<font color="blue">little</font> <font color="green">green rosetta</font>]]{{SubSup||[[Special:Contributions/Little_green_rosetta|central scrutinizer]]|[[User talk:Little green rosetta|(talk)]]}} 12:18, 29 March 2013 (UTC) :::Well, thank you for taking the time notify me. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 12:19, 29 March 2013 (UTC) == A barnstar for you! == {| style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;" |rowspan="2" style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;" | [[File:Barnstar of Humour Hires.png|100px]] |style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;" | '''The Barnstar of Good Humor''' |- |style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Thanks for helping to make IRC an interesting and fun place to hang out. ~~~~ |}'
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'@@ -811,3 +811,12 @@ :Hello. I appreciate your concerns. Let me explain how I see this. If he's capable of clerking properly, then we can use him. Based only on what I've seen myself (which, if I want to be fair and impartial, is all I can use to judge his behaviour), he is. If he's not capable of clerking properly, then that will become evident and we can ask him to stop. I was not offering to let him bypass the process; he'd have to sign up and wait for a trainer to pick him like any other clerk. Hopefully that alleviates your concerns. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 11:57, 29 March 2013 (UTC) ::Sure, no harm will be done. This was more of a caveat emptor message. Thanks.&nbsp;&nbsp;[[User:Little_green_rosetta|<font color="blue">little</font> <font color="green">green rosetta</font>]]{{SubSup||[[Special:Contributions/Little_green_rosetta|central scrutinizer]]|[[User talk:Little green rosetta|(talk)]]}} 12:18, 29 March 2013 (UTC) :::Well, thank you for taking the time notify me. --[[User talk:Deskana|(ʞɿɐʇ)]] [[User:Deskana| ɐuɐʞsǝp]] 12:19, 29 March 2013 (UTC) + +== A barnstar for you! == + +{| style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;" +|rowspan="2" style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;" | [[File:Barnstar of Humour Hires.png|100px]] +|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;" | '''The Barnstar of Good Humor''' +|- +|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Thanks for helping to make IRC an interesting and fun place to hang out. ~~~~ +|} '
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