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Q: For the spell-it-out, can you reuse a spell out letter? e.g. I want to use Of Mice and Men for O (title) twice? Or once I use a letter, that's it? (I assume that it's once for each). But if Of Mice and Men had an Oliver character I could use it for two Os with the two different reasons.
A: You can only use a justification once. So the O for title is once only. But if there is a character Oliver, you could also use O for Oliver. (but not 6 Oliver's if the word Oliver appears 6 times)
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Q: For the scavenger hunts, if my book has multiple mentions of an item (e.g. wine): can I use each time to produce 20 wine drinks or can I only use the food once?
A: Multiple wine drinks. Kind of like the coffee example in the spreadsheet. The trick is that you may not have enough customers to drink all that wine so the "easy" option isn't always best
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Q: How many customers are teams getting? Or is this a surprise?
A: It will be a surprise! Every team will get the same number of customers but the categories of each type of customer will differ for each team.
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Q: when a book can be use as an scavenger or spell it out?
A: If you use a book for a "scavenger hunt" item, the book needs to contain specific food words that you are looking for. So if the word "coffee" is in the book, you can use it for coffee. If words for things in a sandwich are in the book, like the word "bread" or "ham" or "jelly", you can use it for a sandwich.
With spell-it-out, you are looking for first letters of:
* Author, Character, Narrator (if listening to audiobook), or Translator (if reading translated book) names (first name, last name, or nick name)
* Title
* Series name
And using those to spell out a word needed to make a food. So for example, If the book Abaddon's Gate in the Expanse series by James A. Corey has the character Alex Kamal, you cake make the word Cake with spell-it-out
* C for Corey, the author's last name
* A for Abaddon, the first word of the title
* K for Kamal, a character's last name
* E for Expanse, the first letter of the series name (note- this demonstrates a rule where if the title or series starts with "the" or "a" you can use the first letter of the second word).
I think the best way to go about this if you're confused to start is to just keep track of all the food and drink words you find, all the characters you come across, and let your team help you find foods you can use the book for!
Also remember he number of spell-it-out letters you can use per book is limited by the length of the book.
up to 2 scavenger words / spell-it out letters per book >50 pages and <=160 pages
up to 4 scavenger words/ spell-it out letters per book >161 and <=300 pages
up to 8 scavenger words/ spell-it out letters per book >301 pages and <=500 pages
up to 12 scavenger words / spell-it-out letters per book >501 pages
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Q: If two team members read the same book in the same round will that impact the formulas?
A: Yes. Some of the formulas are referring to the book name. So make sure you name the second book something different (e.g. "Of Mice and Men Karen")
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Q: Is there a limit on how many times you can spell out a word per round? (i.e., can a team spell out PASTA more than once, assuming the justifications are all different?)
A: Nope, as many as you'd like is fine. As long as the justifications are different, as you mentioned, you are good.
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Q: Is there a limit on how many times you can spell out a word per round? (i.e., can a team spell out PASTA more than once, assuming the justifications are all different?)
A: No limit provided the justifications are different
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Q: but what if we read e.g. a graphic novel or children's book that's 160+ pages, but not long enough based on word count? the spreadsheet will still say FRESH OR FROZEN, but of course the rules state that there's no restrictions on graphic novels, poetry etc for fresh foods.
A: True! I've just done an extra IF in the formula which means that if anyone has a book that is a children's, graphic novel etc. that doesn't meet the wordcount, the box needs to be ticked. That will then change the category to FRESH no matter the page numbers
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Q: I just want to clarify the minimum/maximum limits for spell outs. For coffee it is 1 minimum and 6 maximum. Does that mean we cannot spell cappuccino? And if the minimum is 1, does that mean we can spell a word with 1 letter? Or am I just not understanding?
A: You wouldn’t be able to spell out cappuccino but you would be able to find it in a scavenger hunt.
A spell it out of one letter wouldn’t be a word related to coffee so that wouldn’t work. But you could scavenger hunt the word coffee and then that is fine as one word
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Q: What about books in another language than English; can I use e.g. Finnish words in the scavenger hunt?
A: Yes
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Q: For the scavenger hunt are plurals allowed.
marshmallows vs marshmallow?
A: We aren’t being very prescriptive with the words you need to find (except perhaps vinegar) so plurals aren’t an issue. Only if you are doing a spell it out really and then you need to check you are under the maximum allowable letters
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Q: I have a question when it comes to desserts where only 1 item is needed to complete the category.
I get how dessert would work with spell it out, but when it comes to words found in text could you build desserts with things that could be part of a dessert but aren't the dessert specifically? Something like cinnamon or syrup, things that aren't a dessert necessarily on their own but are ingredients in many desserts
A: Not with desserts. If you look at the details for the categories, whereas the others give examples of ingredients that is not the case for desserts. It needs to be the name of a dessert or a generic term such as "tart".
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Q: If we are reading via audio...for the justification on words in text, is noting the chapter number adequate? Or something more specific?
A: that is fine
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Q: BOM question: Does it have to be read in the calendar month it starts for it to count, or will it count as long as we finish it within a month?
i.e., for Chain of Gold, do we need to finish it by the end of September, or just within round 1 for it to be eligible for the customer swap bonus?
A: You would get the BOM swap bonus if you finish the book and take part within a month of the start date
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Q: Can we read books we have read before?
A: Yes, as long as it has been 6 months or more since you last read it
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Q: I have a non-fiction book that happens to be tagged as "cookbook" even though it really isn't. does that mean that we do need to treat it as a cookbook for the rules?
A: Yes, it if it is shelved as cookbook then you would need to consider it as that genre for the rules
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Q: Do the food words we are hunting have to actually be food ?
Could we use this for sprout for example
....."And maybe the new piglets would sprout wings"
The same for orange , meaning colour ?
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The idea is that you are finding the actual food items, and not a word that is the same but with a different meaning
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Q: What is the min/max referring to? I can't figure it out at all and it's preventing me from understanding the rest of the game.
Let's use Fresh Sandwich as an example.
This has a minimum of 4 and a maximum of 10. This refers to either scavenger hunt words, or spell-it-out letters.
So, someone on your team has read a 342 page book, from which you can use 8 scavenger words. You found in your book-
bread, salami, mustard, and lettuce. You have just met the minimum number of words that could make up a sandwich. You can choose to add tomato, cheese, mayo and pickles if you find those (or any sandwich related words) in your 342 page book. And, if someone else on your team has an ingredient available that you can use in your sandwich, you can use more than one book to make up any meal, in this case, up to 10 ingredients.
The min/max works for spell-it-out as well. You can use the title, author, series, or character names to spell out WRAP or RUEBEN, or whatever is the type of sandwich with 4 to 10 letters, one book or more to make up the letters.
Again, with a 342 page book as an example, you can use 8 letters from that book.
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Q: Does a 10 item sandwich earns more than a 4 item sandwich?
A: Not necessarily, but it might be more attractive to a customer, and therefore might sell better. That part is in the hands of the restaurant critics (the mods).
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Q: And if I find the items you listed, plus spaghetti, I can use the 4 items listed for the sandwich, and use the spaghetti in a pasta meal we are making?
A: Yes. You don't have to use one book to make a meal, you can use two words from one, three from another, etc. Split the ingredients from one book between several meals. Just don't go over the amount of words you can use from the length of the book.
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Q: And, if I find the word onion, which isn't on any list, but if I were cooking something at home this is an item I would use it on a sandwich, pasta, quiche, salad ... I can use it for any of those meals?
A: You can make a Vegemite and anchovy sandwich with pork chops as the bread if you want. Just sell it in the description so someone will want to buy it. The only meals that you can't be too imaginative on are the fish and chips. There needs to be some sort of fish, and some sort of potatoes. Other than that, make what you want with whatever ingredients you want.
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Q: And one more question...how do you know what word to spell out? It's just anything that's relevant? WRAP RUEBEN...but not BLT because that's 3 letters, but PB and J would work if we spelled and ?
A: That would work. Spell out whatever you want as long as it is a salad, or sandwich, etc, and you fit the letters allowed for the meal
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Q: For the spell-it-out, can we use any character with a name, regardless of the character's significance to the story?
A: Characters are considered to have some meaning to the story, and dialogue
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Q: If i use an anthology for 500+ , can i use initials of any authors that contributed and any titles.of the smaller stories ?
A: We use the editor name listed on GR and the name of the book as listed on GR
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Q: If i was making a sandwich for example could i have ham on it twice ,( from 2 different SH) or can each filling only be used once
A: I suppose if you were making a double ham sandwich that would work.
Think about what the item would be at the end and how you “sell” it. So using two lots of butter probably wouldn’t make sense. But two lots of cheese for an “extra cheesy” sandwich is conceivable
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Q: Tea is a fresh item,which requires books of 50+ pages. But in order to make tea you have to include water, which is in DDC that requires books of 500+ pages. Does that mean that if you find tea in a 100 pg book you would have to either spell out water or read a 500 page to find water? Or read a book of 500+ pages to find both? Or if tea and water is in the 50+ page book would that count?
A: finding water for Tea is not the same as finding it for the DDC.
If you are using it for tea, you go with the rules for Tea for the min page count
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Q: Is a burger considered a sandwich?
A: No, for MRR we are treating them differently
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Q: Would you accept Fr(y/ies) for potatoes or chips in fish and chips
A: yes, you can use fries, chips, potatoes, etc
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Q: How does the Fish & Chips with vinegar work as a spell-it-out
A: The vinegar bonus can only be used as a scavenger, (that one is a special case!) You can do normal fish and chips as a spell-it-out though
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Do we have to make the spreadsheet or does the mod make the spreadsheet for us?
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We make it for you 👍
Can several of our team update the SS or will it just be up to the one person .I was planning on doing it be only use google app so was going to get someone else to help
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I was planning on doing it be only use google app so was going to get someone else to help"
Totally up to your team. We can give access to anyone on the team who requests
We're working on getting a team together and would like to know when the last date to sign up is. We don't want to miss out!
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Hi Karen - I’m on Team Bubble, Bubble, Boil and Crumble aka The Scottish Cafe - can you provide editing access to me as well to our team spreadsheet? Thanks!
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I'm only just setting it up now. We add the email address given in the signup, and you can click on request access once set up :)
Do we set up our own team thread or are the mods doing it? just curious! I know you all are busy!
Karen ⊰✿ wrote: "You can sign up at any point in August. Can’t guarantee I’ll be able to make your spreadsheet in two seconds if signing up at the last minute though 😆"No worries, we won't wait that long! Just waiting to hear from one more member who I think is sick or crazy busy at work. lol
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We will do it. 👍
I’ve been away for the weekend but will catch up on new sign ups tomorrow
Hi! I’m on Team Wild Oats and would like access to an editing privileges for our spreadsheets.
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Just make sure you are signed into your browser with the google account you want to use - open the sheet and request access. We check the emails every 24 hours or so (all requests are now up to date). Or you can also give your email to a team mate and ask them to add you :)
The min/max numbers in the rules post and the sheet are different - which ones should we follow? Same with the customer types allowed.
If we read a graphic novel or children's book that's 160+ pages, but not long enough based on word count, it can only be used for fresh food instead of fresh or frozen. Does the number of scavenger words/spell-it out letters per book also change to 2 no matter what the page count is?
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Which spreadsheet please?
The rules are right, and I thought we had updated the template s/sheets but perhaps something/one got missed
--edit I found the monthly special had a min of 5 instead of 6 on the sheets and have updated. Please advise if that was not what you were looking at
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No. It was a bit tricky to account for that in the s/sheet so the number will go up to the page count number, but it will change to Fresh in the type of food
Moderators of NBRC wrote: "Mahi wrote: "The min/max numbers in the rules post and the sheet are different - which ones should we follow? Same with the customer types allowed."Which spreadsheet please?
The rules are right, ..."
Oh I hadn't realized about the special, thank you for changing it! I meant columns A and H in the Meals and points sheet which are linked to in the kitchen sheet with formulas: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/...
Sandwich is listed as Min 4 and Pensioners aren't listed under customers for Fish and Chips, for example.
Say I read a non-fiction book that has 305 pages. So no characters.I can only count it for 3 spell it outs (author first, author last and title) correct? If it has a translator I can get 4 and if I listen to it on audio than I can use it for 5?
However, if various foods/beverages are mentioned I can use them for the scavenger and not do any spell out?
Do the min and max numbers apply to scavenger hunts or spell it outs too? Can I spell out ROTINI for frozen pasta even though it only has 6 letters?
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Which spreadsheet pl..."
Ok, it should all match now. Please shout out if anything doesn't look right :)
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I can only count it for 3 spell it outs (author first, author last and title) correct? If it has a translator I can get 4 and if..."
Yes, although you can also use first and last name of narrator and translator (if using those versions) so that could give you potentially 7 letters
yes for scavenger items
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Yes min and max apply to both. so you need to consider that if doing spell-it-outs (which also need to be complete words)
Moderators of NBRC wrote: "Mahi wrote: "Moderators of NBRC wrote: "Mahi wrote: "The min/max numbers in the rules post and the sheet are different - which ones should we follow? Same with the customer types allowed."Which s..."
Thank you! I think column A was changed but column H (possible customers) wasn’t.
Also, I think Fish and Chips with vinegar has a minimum of 5, because of the vinegar plus the original 4 requirements.
I’m also sorry about being nitpicky about this. It's only because the sheet is linked in the other sheets and isn't just for reference.
Thanks!
Do the food words we are hunting have to actually be food ? Could we use this for sprout for example
....."And maybe the new piglets would sprout wings"
The same for orange , meaning colour ?
I read through the READ ME FIRST and I watched the video. I looked at the sample spreadsheet.I do not fully understand.
What is the min/max referring to? I can't figure it out at all and it's preventing me from understanding the rest of the game. (Everyone on my team is new, so I can't just start and catch on as it goes along)
Clarification: Let's pretend we max out on the 80 books and each book is over 500 pages. Assuming we only hunt and do not spell anything, that means we have up to 960 items to make the meals with. Right?
Susan A wrote: "I read through the READ ME FIRST and I watched the video. I looked at the sample spreadsheet.I do not fully understand.
What is the min/max referring to? I can't figure it out at all and it's ..."
Let's use Fresh Sandwich as an example.
This has a minimum of 4 and a maximum of 10. This refers to either scavenger hunt words, or spell-it-out letters.
So, someone on your team has read a 342 page book, from which you can use 8 scavenger words. You found in your book-
bread, salami, mustard, and lettuce. You have just met the minimum number of words that could make up a sandwich. You can choose to add tomato, cheese, mayo and pickles if you find those (or any sandwich related words) in your 342 page book. And, if someone else on your team has an ingredient available that you can use in your sandwich, you can use more than one book to make up any meal, in this case, up to 10 ingredients.
The min/max works for spell-it-out as well. You can use the title, author, series, or character names to spell out WRAP or RUEBEN, or whatever is the type of sandwich with 4 to 10 letters, one book or more to make up the letters.
Again, with a 342 page book as an example, you can use 8 letters from that book.
Does that help?
"Desserts, drinks and cocktails ; can be shelved/frozen and used at any point through the challenge. 500+pages. No children's, poetry, graphic novels, plays, cookbooks."I'm looking at books like The Best Cook in the World: Tales from My Momma's Table and The Art of Eating which are Food and Drink>Cookbook
I am looking at both. They are really non-fiction books about food that happen to have a few recipes. But in no way are they cookbooks. Does it have be cookbook as the main genre or are they eliminated because their subgenre is tagged as cookbook?
Jenny wrote: "Susan A wrote: "I read through the READ ME FIRST and I watched the video. I looked at the sample spreadsheet.I do not fully understand.
What is the min/max referring to? I can't figure it out ..."
Yes, thank you. That's a great explanantion
Clarifying ---
a 10 item sandwich earns more than a 4 item sandwich?
And if I find the items you listed, plus spaghetti, I can use the 4 items listed for the sandwich, and use the spaghetti in a pasta meal we are making?
And, if I find the word onion, which isn't on any list, but if I were cooking something at home this is an item I would use it on a sandwich, pasta, quiche, salad ... I can use it for any of those meals?
And one more question...how do you know what word to spell out? It's just anything that's relevant? WRAP RUEBEN...but not BLT because that's 3 letters, but PB and J would work if we spelled and ?
THanks so much!
a 10 item sandwich earns more than a 4 item sandwich?Not necessarily, but it might be more attractive to a customer, and therefore might sell better. That part is in the hands of the restaurant critics (the mods).
And if I find the items you listed, plus spaghetti, I can use the 4 items listed for the sandwich, and use the spaghetti in a pasta meal we are making?
Yes. You don't have to use one book to make a meal, you can use two words from one, three from another, etc. Split the ingredients from one book between several meals. Just don't go over the amount of words you can use from the length of the book.
And, if I find the word onion, which isn't on any list, but if I were cooking something at home this is an item I would use it on a sandwich, pasta, quiche, salad ... I can use it for any of those meals?
You can make a Vegemite and anchovy sandwich with pork chops as the bread if you want. Just sell it in the description so someone will want to buy it. The only meals that you can't be too imaginative on are the fish and chips. There needs to be some sort of fish, and some sort of potatoes. Other than that, make what you want with whatever ingredients you want.
And one more question...how do you know what word to spell out? It's just anything that's relevant? WRAP RUEBEN...but not BLT because that's 3 letters, but PB and J would work if we spelled and ?That would work. Spell out whatever you want as long as it is a salad, or sandwich, etc, and you fit the letters allowed for the meal.
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Also, I think Fish and Chips with vinegar has a minimum of 5, because of the vinegar plus the original 4 requirements.
I’m also sorry about being nitpicky about this. It's only because the sheet is linked in the other sheets and isn't just for reference.
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I've gone through and checked everything with the possible customers in column H and it seems to all match up. (pensioners only eat fish and chips with vinegar and kids eat it without)
Thanks for picking up the 5 for the F&C with vinegar. That must have been like that last year too? lol
You're not being picky - it is a complicated spreadsheet and helpful to have other people look at it. Thank you :)
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Could we use this for sprout for example
....."And maybe the new piglets would sprout wings"
The same for orange , meaning colour ?"
The idea is that you are finding the actual food items, and not a word that is the same but with a different meaning
Moderators of NBRC wrote: "Mahi wrote: "Thank you! I think column A was changed but column H (possible customers) wasn’t.Also, I think Fish and Chips with vinegar has a minimum of 5, because of the vinegar plus the origina..."
Ooh I didn’t realize that about the fish and chips, sorry! Do adults not eat the Monthly Special?
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I'm looking at books like ..."
If shelved as cookbook, unfortunately they would be eliminated for that reason. It is too difficult to add in 'greyness' to these kinds of rules, sorry
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Not necessarily, but it might be more attractive to a customer, and therefore might sell better. That part is in the hands of the restaurant cr..."
Perfect, thanks Jenny!
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For month 1 only pensioners eat the special :)
Moderators of NBRC wrote: "Janeylou wrote: "Do the food words we are hunting have to actually be food ? Could we use this for sprout for example
....."And maybe the new piglets would sprout wings"
The same for orange , me..."
Thought so, but just wanted to check 😊
Can the Monthly Special: Fijian Chicken Curry be made with scavenger words or spell-it-outs, or only scavenger?If we can do spell-it-out, how do we differentiate it from regular Curry?
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If we can do spell-it-out, how do we differentiate it from regular Curry?"
You can do either. If spelling it out just keep in mind the ingredients - so it is a chicken curry with spices. For example
Spelling out “curry” would be the normal curry whereas “Fijian” would work for this curry or you could spell out a spice associated with a Fijian curry. Don’t overthink it too much, and be imaginative 👍
If i was making a sandwich for example could i have ham on it twice ,( from 2 different SH) or can each filling only be used once
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I suppose if you were making a double ham sandwich that would work.
Think about what the item would be at the end and how you “sell” it. So using two lots of butter probably wouldn’t make sense. But two lots of cheese for an “extra cheesy” sandwich is conceivable
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