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== [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals|Portals WikiProject]] update #009, 15 June 2018 ==

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| File:Blank.png | <div style{{=}}text-align:left;>{{#invoke:String|replace|{{Transclude lead excerpt|paragraphs=1-3|files=1-2|more=|Horse}}|%c|<br>||false}}</div>
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Don't mind that box to the right. We'll be talking about that later, below.

=== Almost done... ===

With the portals upgrades?

No. :)

What is almost done is the updating of the main list of portals!

There are 23 portals left to be listed.

Kudos to the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals#WikiGnomes|WikiGnome Squadron]], for spearheading this.

Once it is fully updated, we need to keep it up to date. When you complete a portal, remember to add it to [[Portal:Contents/Portals]].

Concerning portal upgrades, we are working on those section-by-section...

=== Associated Wikimedia section conversion task complete ===

The Associated Wikimedia sections of the entire set of portals have been upgraded. These are now handled on each portal base page (bypassing the previously used corresponding subpages), using the {{tl|Wikimedia for portals}} template rather than reiterated copied/pasted code.

So, to be more accurate on reporting upgrade progress, that's one section down (for the whole set of portals), with (about) nine sections to go. (Skipping curated portals, regarding custom content sections, of course).

=== Further section conversions (using AWB) ===

Work is underway on converting Portals' introduction sections, and the categories sections.

If you would like to help, see [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals#Upgrade introduction sections]] '''and''' [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals#AWB task: Convert category sections]]

=== Further section conversions (by hand) ===

Work has also started with converting selected picture sections to picture slideshow sections. See 
[[Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals#Install picture slideshows]].

=== Quality rating system for portals under development ===

Currently, there is no quality rating for portals: in the Portals WikiProject box on each portals' talk page, it just says "Portal". But times are a changin'. Quality assessment is on the way, and you can help. See [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Portals/General#Proposed new quality class assessments|the discussion]].

=== What's coming: excerpt slideshows ===

Evad37 has figured out a way to apply the picture slideshow feature to displaying article excerpts (now you can check out the provided box above). :) This allows us to bypass page purging to see the next selection, and you can even click through them rather quickly. Currently, the wikicode for doing this for article excerpts is a bit eye-boggling, and so we are looking into simplifying it. A streamlined version may be just around the corner. 

Note that this is a prototype, not ready for widespread use. Click on the box in between the lesser than and greater than signs, to see what I mean. It was meant for pictures, and so the thumbnail feature doesn't apply to article prose very well. I've presented it even though it isn't ready, to show the direction portal development is heading. See [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Portals/Design#Excerpt slideshows|the discussion]].

=== Wow ===

I'm amazed at how rapidly portals are evolving. And we're still within a single generation of portal technological evolution. Imagine what they might be in 2 or 3 more generations of developments. Pretty soon, portals will be able to shake your hand. :)  <span class="nowrap">&nbsp;&nbsp; &mdash; ''[[User talk:The Transhumanist|The&nbsp;Transhumanist]]''&nbsp;&nbsp; </span> 11:05, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

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===Precious===
{{user precious|header="I tend to improve poorly sourced articles instead of filling them up with tags"|thanks=for quality articles around art, especially photography and contemporary art, based on scientific knowledge, such as [[Low-key photography]] and [[Won Ju Lim]], for [[Adela Zaharia]] and [[La Medeleni]], for improving rather than tagging articles, - Robert,}} --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 07:57, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
:{{reply|Gerda Arendt}} waw, thanks! This is the nicest compliment I have ever received on WP! Have a wonderful day! [[User:Robertgombos|Robertgombos]] ([[User talk:Robertgombos#top|talk]]) 08:46, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

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== [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals|Portals WikiProject]] update #010, 30 June 2018 ==

We've grown to 94 participants.

A warm welcome to [[User talk:dcljr|dcljr]] and [[User talk:Kpgjhpjm|Kpgjhpjm]].

=== Rating system for portals ===

We are in the process of developing a rating system specifically for portals, as the quality assessment scheme for articles does not apply to portals. It is coming along nicely. Your input would be very helpful. See the discussion at [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Portals/General#Proposed new quality class assessments]].

=== Better than a barnstar ===

One of our participants got involved with this WikiProject through interest in how the new generation of portals would be handled in WP's MOS (Manual of Style). It didn't take long before he got sucked in deeper. This has given him an opportunity to look around, and so, he has made an assessment of this WikiProject's operations:

<blockquote>I'm quite frankly really impressed and inspired by what's happening here. If you'd asked me a year ago if I thought portals should just be scrapped as a failed, dragged-out experiment, I would have said "yes". This planning and the progress toward making it all practical is exemplary of the wiki spirit, in particular of a happy service-to-readers puppy properly wagging its technological and editorial tail instead of the other way around, and without "drama". It's also one of the few examples I've seen in a long time of a new wikiproject actually doing something useful and fomenting constructive activity (instead of acting as a barrier to participation, and a canvassing/ownership farm for PoV pushers). Kudos all around.  — SMcCandlish</blockquote>

Congratulations, everyone. Keep up the great work.

=== Slideshow development ===

We've run into a glitch with slideshows: they don't work on mobile devices.

Initially, we will need to explore options that allow portals to have slideshows without adversely affecting mobile viewers. See [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Portals/Design#Mobile view support]].

Eventually, we may need another way to do slideshows. If we do go this route, and I don't see why we wouldn't, then (user configurable) automatic slideshows also become a possibility.

=== TemplateStyles RfC passed ===

Once implemented, this will allow editors to create and edit cascading style sheets for use with templates. This will expand what we can do with portals. For more detail, see [[mw:Extension:TemplateStyles]] and [[Wikipedia:TemplateStyles]].

=== Automation effort ===

We've run into an obstacle using Lua-based selective transclusion: Lua is incapable (on Wikipedia) of reading in article names from categories. Because of this, we'll need to seek other approaches for fully automating the '''Selected article''' section. We are exploring sources other than categories, and other technologies besides Lua.

Speaking of using other sources, the template {{tl|Transclude list item excerpt}} collects list items from a specified page, or from a section of that page, and transcludes the lead from a randomly selected link from that list. Courtesy of Certes. So, if you use this in a portal, and if the template specifies a page or section serviced by JL-Bot, you've now got yourself an automatically updated section in the portal. JL-Bot provides links to featured content and good articles, by subject. 

What is "fully automated"? When you create a portal using a creation template, and the portal works thereafter without editor intervention, the portal is fully automated. That is, the portal is supported by features that fetch new content.  If you have to add new article names every so often for it to display new content, then it is only semi-automated.

Currently, the '''Selected article''' section is semi-automated, because it requires that an editor supplies the names of the various articles for which excerpts are (automatically) displayed. For examples, look at the wikisource code of [[Portal:Reptiles]], [[Portal:Ancient Tamil civilization]], and [[Portal:Reference works]].

So far, 3 sections are fully automatable: the introduction section, the categories section, and the Associated Wikimedia section.

=== Where is all this heading? ===

Henry.

Or some other name.

Eventually, the portal department will be a software program. And we won't have to do anything (unless we want to). Not even tell it what portals to create (unless we want to).  It will just do it all (plus whatever else we want it to do). And we will of course give it good manners, and a name.

But, that is a few years off.

Until then, building portals is still (partially) up to us.  <span class="nowrap">&nbsp;&nbsp; &mdash; ''[[User talk:The Transhumanist|The&nbsp;Transhumanist]]''&nbsp;&nbsp; </span> 13:34, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
{{}re|The Transhumanist}}, keep us updated! [[User:Robertgombos|Robertgombos]] ([[User talk:Robertgombos#top|talk]]) 01:10, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

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== [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals|Portals WikiProject]] update #011, 10 July 2018 ==

We now have 97 participants.

Be sure to welcome our newest members, [[User talk:BrantleyIzMe|BrantleyIzMe]], [[User talk:Coffeeandcrumbs|Coffeeandcrumbs]], and [[User talk:Nolan Perry|Nolan Perry]], with warm regards.

Work is proceeding apace. We have 2 major thrusts right now: converting the intro sections of portals, and building the components of the one-page automated model...

; Converting the intro sections 

We need everybody, except those building software components, to work on converting intros. If you have AWB, definitely use that. If not, then work on them manually. Even one a day, or as often as you can muster, will help a lot.  There are only about 1,000 of them left to go, so if everyone chips in, it will go pretty quickly. Remember, there are 97 of us!

The intros for most of the portals starting with A through F have already been converted to use the {{tl|Transclude lead excerpt}} template.

The standard wikicode for the automated intro that we want to put into place looks like this:

<syntaxhighlight>
{{/box-header|Introduction|noedit=yes|}}
{{Transclude lead excerpt | {{PAGENAME}} | paragraphs=1-2 | files=1}}
{{Box-footer|[[{{PAGENAME}}|Read more...]]}}
</syntaxhighlight>

That works for most portals, but not all. For some portals it requires some tweaking, and for others, we may have to use a different or more customized approach. Remember to visually inspect each portal you work on and make sure that it works before moving on to the next one.

Be sure to skip user-maintained portals. They are listed at [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Portals#Specific_portal_maintainers]].

; AWB tips 

I've started an [[User:The Transhumanist/AWB tips|AWB tips]] page, for those of you feeling a bit overwhelmed by that power user tool. Feel free to add to it and/or improve it.

; Portal automation 

We have some very talented Lua programmers, who are pushing the limits of what we can do in gathering data from Wikipedia's various namespaces and presenting it in portals. Due to their efforts, Lua is powering the selective transclusion core of our emerging automated portal design, in the form of selected article sections that rotate content, and slideshows.

To go beyond Lua's limits, to take full advantage of Mediawiki's API, we are in the midst of adding another programming language to the resources we shall be making use of: JavaScript. The ways that JavaScript can help us edit portals to boost the power of our Lua solutions, are being explored, which will likely make the two languages synergistic if not symbiotic. Research is under way on how we can use JavaScript to make some of the portal semi-automated features fully automatically self-updating, in ways that Lua cannot. Like gathering random members from a category and inserting them into a portal's templates as parameters. Once the parameters are in place, Lua does the rest.

If you would like to get involved with design efforts, or just keep up on them, see [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Portals/Design]].

; When should we start building new portals? 

Well, not at the present time, because building portals is quite time consuming. The good news is that we are working on a design that will be fully automated, or as close to that as we can get. And the new design is being implemented in the portal department's [[Template:Portal box skeleton|main portal creation template]]. This means, that not only will portals update themselves, their creation will be highly automated as well. That's the nature of templates. You put them in place, and they just... work.

What I'm getting at here, is that it would be better to wait to build lots of new portals until after the new design is completed. Because with it, instead of taking hours to create a new portal, it will likely take minutes. 

That does not mean we should be idle in the meantime. The main reason most of us are here is because it became apparent that portals were largely unmaintained and had grown out-of-date. This had become so apparent that a proposal was made to delete all the portals and the portal namespace to boot. That makes our main objective in the short term to improve all the existing portals so that the community will want to keep them&mdash;forever.

Building lots of new portals comes later. Let's fix up the ones we have first. ;)

And on that note, I bid you adieu. Until next newsletter, see ya 'round the WikiProject.  <span class="nowrap">&nbsp;&nbsp; &mdash; ''[[User talk:The Transhumanist|The&nbsp;Transhumanist]]''&nbsp;&nbsp; </span> 12:32, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

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== [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals|Portals WikiProject]] update #012, 15 July 2018 ==

We have 97 participants.

=== Getting faster ===

Automation makes things go faster, even portal creation. One of the components Certes made was {{tl|Transclude list item excerpt}}. I became curious about its possible applications.

So I worked out a portal design using it, the initial prototypes being [[Portal:Kyoto]] (without a "Selected pictures" section), and [[Portal:Dubai]] (with a "Selected pictures" section). Then I used Portal:Dubai as the basis for further portals of this type...

: I was able to revamp [[Portal:Munich]] from start to finish in less than 22 minutes.
: [[Portal:Dresden]] took about 19 minutes.
: [[Portal:Athens]] took less than 17 minutes.
: Did [[Portal:Florence]] in about 13 minutes.
: [[Portal:Stockholm]] also in about 13.
: [[Portal:Palermo]]  approx. 12 minutes.

Why?

To see, and to show, what may become feasible via automation.

It now looks highly feasible that we could get portal construction time down to a few minutes, or maybe even down to a few seconds.

The [[Technological singularity|singularity]] is just around the corner. :)

=== Slideshows ===

When using the {{tl|Random slideshow}} template to display pictures, be sure to use the plural tense in the section title: "Selected pictures". That's because slideshows don't show up on many mobile devices. Instead the whole set of pictures is shown, hence the section title "Selected pictures", as it fits both situations.

In case you are curious, here is a list of the portals so far that have a slideshow:

{{col-begin}}
{{col-3}}
* [[Portal:Algae|Algae]]
* [[Portal:Amphibians|Amphibians]]
* [[Portal:Anatomy|Anatomy]]
* [[Portal:Ancient Tamil civilization|Ancient Tamil civilization]]
* [[Portal:Athens|Athens]]
* [[Portal:Bangladesh.|Bangladesh.]]
* [[Portal:Berkshire|Berkshire]]
* [[Portal:Birds|Birds]]
* [[Portal:Buckinghamshire|Buckinghamshire]]
* [[Portal:Cenozoic|Cenozoic]]
* [[Portal:Dresden|Dresden]]
* [[Portal:Dubai|Dubai]]
* [[Portal:East Sussex|East Sussex]]
* [[Portal:Fish|Fish]]
* [[Portal:Florence|Florence]]
* [[Portal:Florida|Florida]]
{{col-3}}
* [[Portal:Genocide|Genocide]]
* [[Portal:Gilgit-Baltistan|Gilgit-Baltistan]]
* [[Portal:H. P. Lovecraft|H. P. Lovecraft]]
* [[Portal:Hampshire|Hampshire]]
* [[Portal:Human body|Human body]]
* [[Portal:Humanism|Humanism]]
* [[Portal:Isle of Wight|Isle of Wight]]
* [[Portal:Kent|Kent]]
* [[Portal:London transport|London transport]]
* [[Portal:Mammals|Mammals]]
* [[Portal:Milan|Milan]]
* [[Portal:Munich|Munich]]
* [[Portal:Oxfordshire|Oxfordshire]]
* [[Portal:Palermo|Palermo]]
* [[Portal:Prague|Prague]]
* [[Portal:Reference works|Reference works]]
* [[Portal:Reptiles|Reptiles]]
{{col-3}}
* [[Portal:Sacramento|Sacramento]]
* [[Portal:Saint Petersburg|Saint Petersburg]]
* [[Portal:Salem, Oregon|Salem]]
* [[Portal:Scottish Islands|Scottish Islands]]
* [[Portal:South East England|South East England]]
* [[Portal:Stockholm|Stockholm]]
* [[Portal:Surrey|Surrey]]
* [[Portal:Sydney|Sydney]]
* [[Portal:Tamil People|Tamil People]]
* [[Portal:Telephones|Telephones]] ('''''empty &ndash; please add some pictures''''')
* [[Portal:Turin|Turin]]
* [[Portal:Underwater diving|Underwater diving]]
* [[Portal:Vienna|Vienna]]
* [[Portal:West Sussex|West Sussex]]
{{col-end}}

=== Progress on intro conversions ===

The intros for most of the portals up through the letter "O" have been converted, using this wikicode:

<syntaxhighlight>
{{/box-header|Introduction|noedit=yes|}}
{{Transclude lead excerpt | {{PAGENAME}} | paragraphs=1-2 | files=1}}
{{Box-footer|[[{{PAGENAME}}|Read more...]]}}
</syntaxhighlight>

Where the pagename didn't match the article title for the subject, the title was typed in.

Most of the portals that do not contain <code><nowiki>{{/intro}}</nowiki></code> or <code><nowiki>{{{{FULLPGENAME}}/Intro}}</nowiki></code> have not yet been processed.

About a thousand portals use the method of selective transclusion for the intro section. That's about two-thirds.  That means we have one-third of the way to go on the intro section conversions.

=== Much more to come... ===

So much has been happening with portals that I can't keep up with it. (That's good). Which means, more in the upcoming issue. Until then, see ya 'round the project. Sincerely,  <span class="nowrap">&nbsp;&nbsp; &mdash; ''[[User talk:The Transhumanist|The&nbsp;Transhumanist]]''&nbsp;&nbsp; </span> 08:46, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

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