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Legacy info

Legcy info--Chrishm21 (talk) 18:47, 21 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Sales report

Madonna fez Erótica, o disco, um de seus melhores, e foi considerado um fracasso: o disco vendeu só 8 milhões de cópias, uma ninharia perto de True Blue, de 17 milhões | 1994 | Exame VIP (pag 53, via Google Books)
O álbum é considerado um fracasso comercial retumbante, vendendo apenas 7 milhões de cópias em todo o mundo 2018 | Intercom
5,5 million 1994 | Pelo
5 million copies 1999 | The Guardian

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-==Unreleased Songs==
-#Goodbye to Innocence
-#You Thrill Me
-#Throb (There's controversy if it is really a Madonna recording from the time, since Janet Jackson recorded during the period her own song Throb. So it is questionable if it is really a Madonna song or a case of mistaken identities)
-#By Alien Means
-#Freak
-#No Entry
-#Love Hurts
-#Shame
-#You Are the One
-Can anyone verify any of the above?  I just cut it from the article as being completely without sources.  [[User:Jkelly|Jkelly]] 03:57, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
-This time around I dewikified a number of redlinked songs and removed a "Greatest Hits" section.  See [[WP:ALBUM]] for details on what an album article should be, and when to link to songs.  [[User:Jkelly|Jkelly]] 05:45, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
-don't know how to edit this but "YOU THRILL ME" is not an unreleased madonna song. it is actually just a demo of erotica. erotica had various demo versions and a few contained the vocal lines "you thrill me" which leaked onto the internet and fans called "you thrill me". it was never a full song.  <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Mikeyaj|Mikeyaj]] ([[User talk:Mikeyaj|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mikeyaj|contribs]]) 13:41, 30 September 2008 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
-==Fair use rationale for Image:Eroticaoriginal.jpg==
-[[Image:Nuvola apps important.svg|70px|left]]
-'''[[:Image:Eroticaoriginal.jpg]]''' is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under [[Wikipedia:Fair use|fair use]] but there is no [[Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline|explanation or rationale]] as to why its use in '''this''' Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the [[Wikipedia:Image copyright tags/Fair use|boilerplate fair use template]], you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with [[WP:FU|fair use]].
-Please go to [[:Image:Eroticaoriginal.jpg|the image description page]] and edit it to include a [[Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline |fair use rationale]]. Using one of the templates at [[Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline]] is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.
-If there is  other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page.  Note that any fair use images uploaded after 4 May, 2006, and lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on [[Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#Images.2FMedia|criteria for speedy deletion]]. If you have any questions please ask them at the [[Wikipedia:Media copyright questions|Media copyright questions page]]. Thank you.<!-- Template:Missing rationale2 -->
-[[User:BetacommandBot|BetacommandBot]] 06:08, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
-==Fair use rationale for Image:EroticaoriginalCDcover.jpg==
-[[Image:Nuvola apps important.svg|70px|left]]
-'''[[:Image:EroticaoriginalCDcover.jpg]]''' is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under [[Wikipedia:Fair use|fair use]] but there is no [[Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline|explanation or rationale]] as to why its use in '''this''' Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the [[Wikipedia:Image copyright tags/Fair use|boilerplate fair use template]], you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with [[WP:FU|fair use]].
-Please go to [[:Image:EroticaoriginalCDcover.jpg|the image description page]] and edit it to include a [[Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline |fair use rationale]]. Using one of the templates at [[Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline]] is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.
-If there is  other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page.  Note that any fair use images uploaded after 4 May, 2006, and lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on [[Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#Images.2FMedia|criteria for speedy deletion]]. If you have any questions please ask them at the [[Wikipedia:Media copyright questions|Media copyright questions page]]. Thank you.<!-- Template:Missing rationale2 -->
-[[User:BetacommandBot|BetacommandBot]] 16:53, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
-== Dubious description ==
-''Erotica is a concept album about sexuality and relationships. Each track explores a different facet of sexuality, usually involving sexual relationships. Lyrically, the album does not tie sex and sexual relationships with the traditional ideals of romance. A dance record by all accounts, the album showcases hip hop and jazz-affected club production from co-producers Shep Pettibone and André Betts.''
-How does every track explore a facet of sexuality? What do "Bye Bye Baby", "Bad Girl", "Waiting", "Thief of Hearts", "Words", "Rain", "Why's It So Hard", "In This Life" or "Secret Garden" have to do with exploring sexuality? Of course, some of them make allusions to sex and sexuality, but sexuality is not the main focus.
-I also fail to see how "Where Life Begins", "Bad Girl", "Waiting", "Rain", "In This Life" and "Secret Garden" can be called dance songs, so I'm not entirely sure the definition of the album as a "dance record by all accounts" is accurate. The whole first paragraph of the "Album information" section seems riddled with personal opinions. [[Special:Contributions/201.22.37.46|201.22.37.46]] ([[User talk:201.22.37.46|talk]]) 03:00, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
-==Sales==
-In the intro is written that the album had sold over 10 million units globally but in the latter part of the article I see 5 million units. Both are without sources.  <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Phonography|Phonography]] ([[User talk:Phonography|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Phonography|contribs]]) 01:34, 25 February 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
-{{done}} [[User:Tbhotch|<font color="#4B0082">Tb</font><font color="#6082B6">hotch</font>]]<sup>[[user talk:Tbhotch|<font color="#0F0F0F">Talk</font><font color="#FFBF00">2 Me</font>]]</sup> 03:10, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
-== Legacy ==
-Should be added a  legacy section, this album is very important to pop music.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/181.0.136.66|181.0.136.66]] ([[User talk:181.0.136.66|talk]]) 15:49, 19 July 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
-==Requested move==
-{{Requested move/dated|Erotica (album)}}
+== Legacy info ==
-[[:Erotica (Madonna album)]] → {{no redirect|Erotica (album)}} – [http://stats.grok.se/en/201303/Erotica_(madonna_album) This album] is more popular and more familiar to people than [http://stats.grok.se/en/201303/Erotica_(The_Darling_Buds_album) some band's album]. If possible, extra disambiguation is no longer necessary, unless there will be another challenging album with the same name. [[User:George Ho|George Ho]] ([[User talk:George Ho|talk]]) 07:52, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
+[https://www.rockhall.com/revolutions-madonnas-erotica Legcy info]--[[User:Chrishm21|Chrishm21]] ([[User talk:Chrishm21|talk]]) 18:47, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
-*'''Oppose''' - sorry George but what's the benefit? We try to avoid brackets, but once they are there I cannot see where [[Wikipedia:Disambiguation]] says to establish a primary in the bracket. Someone looking for Erotica by [[Roberto Perera]] (1990)  Erotica by [[Darling Buds]] (1992) both of which have en.wp text mentions isn't benefiting from making the disambiguator ambiguous when it shows up in the RH search box. [[User:In ictu oculi|In ictu oculi]] ([[User talk:In ictu oculi|talk]]) 15:45, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
-** Well...  how do we know that they are challenging topics? How do we know that [http://stats.grok.se/en/201303/erotica_(album) 4-6 people are looking] for non-Madonna album? --[[User:George Ho|George Ho]] ([[User talk:George Ho|talk]]) 16:50, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
-:::But even the 90% who are looking for the Madonna album benefit from current non-ambiguous title, without the (Madonna ...) there's nothing to tell the 90%, great that's it, that's what I'm looking for, click. What is the benefit to anyone of removing it? Chances are they're going to search "Erotica + Madonna" anyway, at least as likely as typing "Erotica + Album" so again whom does removing it benefit and how? [[User:In ictu oculi|In ictu oculi]] ([[User talk:In ictu oculi|talk]]) 18:52, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
-:::: I wasn't going to use Google, but [https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&newwindow=1&safe=off&q=erotica+album&oq=erotica+album&gs_l=serp.3...43729.44281.0.44660.5.5.0.0.0.0.138.461.3j2.5.0.les%3B..0.0...1c.1.5.serp.lLDHFMDvq2M "erotica album"] and [https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&newwindow=1&safe=off&site=&source=hp&q=erotica+madonna&oq=erotica+madonna&gs_l=hp.3...1929.6502.0.6729.21.18.3.0.0.0.143.1528.14j4.18.0.les%3B..0.0...1c.1.5.hp.H3XVzibpIJI "erotica Madonna"] result almost the same on first pages (well, with Wikipedia included). From Yahoo (Wikipedia excluded): [http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0oGdXg0yTxRbWwAvkNXNyoA?p=erotica%20madonna%20-wikipedia&fr2=sb-top&fr=yfp-t-900 "Madonna" term] results the same as [http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0oGdXg0yTxRbWwAvkNXNyoA?p=erotica%20album%20-wikipedia&fr2=sb-top&fr=yfp-t-900 "album" term].  --[[User:George Ho|George Ho]] ([[User talk:George Ho|talk]]) 17:57, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
-*'''Support''' per [[WP:PRIMARYTOPIC]] and, especially, [[WP:TWODABS]].  Why send [[Erotica (album)]] to the [[Erotica]] dab page?  Much better to have the Madonna album there, with a hatlink to the lesser known album.  Some are helped; no one is hindered, which is the point of TWODABS in situations like this.    It's all good.  --[[User:Born2cycle|B]]2[[User_talk:Born2cycle#top|C]] 22:56, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
+;Sales report
-*'''Oppose''' [[WP:NCM]], articles should not have ambigous disambiguation. [[WP:PRIMARYTOPIC]], this is not the priamry topic of "Erotica", so should be properly disambiguated. "(album)" is not part of any PT consideration, since it only concerns the undisambiguated title. [[WP:TWODABS]] doesn't apply, there isn't one, [[Erotica (disambiguation)]] has many more than 2 articles. -- [[Special:Contributions/65.92.180.137|65.92.180.137]] ([[User talk:65.92.180.137|talk]]) 02:22, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
+*Madonna fez Erótica, o disco, um de seus melhores, e foi considerado um fracasso: o disco vendeu só '''8 milhões de cópias''', uma ninharia perto de True Blue, de 17 milhões | 1994 | [[:pt:VIP (revista)|Exame VIP]] (pag 53, via Google Books)
-*'''Oppose'''.  As noted above, [[WP:PRIMARYTOPIC]] does not apply to titles that already have disambiguators because almost no one will actually type "Erotica (album)" as a search term.  Getting readers navigated to the article they are most likely seeking from an unqualified title (i.e., [[Erotica (disambiguation)]]) is the purpose of primary topic.  See [[Talk:Loud (Rihanna album)#Requested move|Talk:Loud (Rihanna album)]] and [[Talk:Rumors (Lindsay Lohan song)#Requested move|Talk:Rumors (Lindsay Lohan song)]] for recent similar cases.  — [[User talk:AjaxSmack|<span style="border:1px solid #000073;background:#4D4DA6;padding:2px;color:#F9FFFF;text-shadow:black 0.2em 0.2em 0.3em"><font face="Georgia">&nbsp;'''AjaxSmack'''&nbsp;</font></span>]] 03:33, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
+*O álbum é considerado um fracasso comercial retumbante, vendendo apenas '''7 milhões''' de cópias em todo o mundo [https://portalintercom.org.br/anais/nacional2018/resumos/R13-0191-1.pdf 2018] | [[:pt:Sociedade Brasileira de Estudos Interdisciplinares da Comunicação|Intercom]]
-*'''Suuport''' The opposers are wrong. Per [[WP:ALBUM]]'s [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Albums/Album_article_style_guide#Naming|own MOS]]: "If there is a primary album, such as [[Thriller (album)]], then that would get the primary (album) disambiguation, and only the secondary albums, [[Thriller (Eddie and the Hot Rods album)]] or [[Thriller (Lambchop album)]] need be disambiguated by band". There is not evidence [[Erotica (The Darling Buds album)]] is important or notable enough to have an album ambiguity. [[User:Tbhotch|<font color="#4B0082">Tb</font><font color="#6082B6">hotch</font>]].<sup>[[User talk:Tbhotch|<font color="#6B8E23"><big>™</big></font>]]</sup> Grammatically incorrect? '''Correct it!''' [[User:Tbhotch/EN|<u>See terms and conditions.</u>]] 05:08, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
+*'''5,5 million''' [http://files.revistapelo.com.ar/pdf/457.pdf 1994] | [[:es:Pelo (revista)|Pelo]]
-*'''Support''' [[WP:ALBUM]]'s, [[WP:PRIMARYTOPIC]], [[WP:TWODABS]] and especially, [[WP:COMMONSENSE]]. [[User:Chrishonduras|Chrishonduras]] ([[User talk:Chrishonduras|talk]]) 00:38, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
+*'''5 million''' copies [https://www.theguardian.com/culture/1999/dec/22/artsfeatures2 1999] | The Guardian
-*'''Oppose''' Ajax nailed it. --<small><span style="background-color:#ffffff;border: 1px solid;">[[User:Ohconfucius|'''<span style="color:#000000; background-color:#ffffff">&nbsp;Ohconfucius&nbsp;</span>''']]</span></small><sup>[[User talk:Ohconfucius|''ping / poke'']]</sup> 02:59, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
-**...Nailed a poor excuse. [[WP:ALBUM]]'s style is never referred at ''Loud'', and "Rumours" is irrelevant here. This article is about an album, not a song. [[User:Tbhotch|<font color="#4B0082">Tb</font><font color="#6082B6">hotch</font>]].<sup>[[User talk:Tbhotch|<font color="#6B8E23"><big>™</big></font>]]</sup> Grammatically incorrect? '''Correct it!''' [[User:Tbhotch/EN|<u>See terms and conditions.</u>]] 06:46, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
-*'''Support''' per [[WP:ALBUM]] and the rest, per Tbhotch. --[[User:BDD|BDD]] ([[User talk:BDD|talk]]) 17:10, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
-*'''Support''' - Per Tbhotch. --[[User:LlamaAl|LlamaAl]] ([[User talk:LlamaAl|talk]]) 22:47, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
-*'''Oppose'''. The Darling Buds album is quite possibly of more lasting cultural significance than Madonna's, a point easily overlooked. Safest by far to leave as is, and harmless. Note that there are at least three reasonably well known albums by this name, and probably many more less well known. [[User:Andrewa|Andrewa]] ([[User talk:Andrewa|talk]]) 15:42, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
+--[[User:Apoxyomenus|Apoxyomenus]] ([[User talk:Apoxyomenus|talk]]) 12:46, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
-{{Comment}} Sorry, Andrewa but respectfully "The Darling Buds album is quite possibly of more lasting cultural significance than Madonna's, a point easily overlooked" this is a [[Argument from ignorance]]. Furthermore: Let's be realistic, the band is of independent music. Around the world, in all media, the term "Erotica" as such is fully referred to Madonna. The equivalent of Michael Jackson with Thriller. I do not know how many languages you drive, but if you have any questions, we can make comparisons. Nothing more, is that I think your comment is "baladi". Best regards, [[User:Chrishonduras|Chrishonduras]] ([[User talk:Chrishonduras|talk]]) 23:36, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
-*'''Oppose'''. One of the criteria of [[WP:TITLE]] is "Precision". [[:Erotica (Madonna album)]] is more precise.--[[User:Salix alba|Salix]] ([[User talk:Salix alba|talk]]): 23:02, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
-**Can you explain, with your own words, why [[WP:PRECISION]] is appropiate and [[WP:ALBUM]] and [[WP:TWODABS]] are not? Your comment never explain why we should disambiguate two albums (one notable and the other barely notable) under a "more precise" title, especially when [http://stats.grok.se/en/latest/Erotica_(Madonna_album) 600 people] are looking for what can be considered as the primary topic of albums, versus [http://stats.grok.se/en/latest/Erotica_(The_Darling_Buds_album) 10 people]. [[User:Tbhotch|<font color="#4B0082">Tb</font><font color="#6082B6">hotch</font>]].<sup>[[User talk:Tbhotch|<font color="#6B8E23"><big>™</big></font>]]</sup> Grammatically incorrect? '''Correct it!''' [[User:Tbhotch/EN|<u>See terms and conditions.</u>]] 06:46, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
-::Quite simply [[Erotica (Madonna album)]] leves no confusions as to what it might be, [[Erotica (album)]] is ambiguous.  There is not lack utility in the current title. The reader will not be confused indeed they will be reassured they have the right page by the name. Following [[WP:IAR]] which title makes the article better?   --[[User:Salix alba|Salix]] ([[User talk:Salix alba|talk]]): 07:58, 18 March 2013 (UTC)