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== ''The perpetrator was motivated by the deaths of Muslim children resulting from the American-led intervention in the Syrian Civil War.'' ==
== Death of fan at concert in July 2021 ==

Re [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Manchester_Arena_bombing&curid=54112112&diff=1037777868&oldid=1037769742 this edit]: it is in the ''Manchester Evening News'' today.[https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/tragedy-young-ariana-grande-fan-21258755] The problem is [[WP:CRYSTAL]], because we don't know if her death was linked to the concert. Many of the fans suffered with health problems such as [[Post-traumatic stress disorder|PTSD]], but it's too early to speculate here.--'''''[[User:ianmacm|<span style="background:#88b;color:#cff;font-variant:small-caps">♦Ian<span style="background:#99c">Ma<span style="background:#aad">c</span></span>M♦</span>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ianmacm|(talk to me)]]</sup>''''' 17:26, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
:{{ping|ianmacm}} I removed it because DailyMail is a deprecated source and is unreliable, per [[WP:DAILYMAIL]]. Since this involves a living or recently dead person, [[WP:BLP]] applies, which means we have to reliably source all information that is added into the article. The source you provided does not say that the death was related to PTSD or the Manchester attack at all, so we shouldn't add anything unless it's confirmed in a reliable source. As well, CRYSTAL does apply here. Thanks! <span class="nowrap">[[User:Doggy54321|D🐶ggy54321]]</span> <span class="nowrap"><sup>([[User talk:Doggy54321|let's chat!]])</sup></span> 18:13, 8 August 2021 (UTC)


Where is proof of this & this alone? [[User:Heurope|Heurope]] ([[User talk:Heurope|talk]]) 02:26, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
== Number and type of injuries ==


Re [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Manchester_Arena_bombing&curid=54112112&diff=1097366967&oldid=1097307342 this edit]: The figure of 1,017 people injured is given in various news articles, eg [https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/manchester-arena-bombing-public-inquiry-19421146 here] and in the text of the inquiry[https://files.manchesterarenainquiry.org.uk/live/uploads/2020/12/07182655/MAI-Day-44.pdf]. It doesn't say that 239 were physical injuries, which is what it says [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6788223/ here]. There is a risk of creating [[WP:SYNTH]] by combining the two sources. The National Library of Medicine source could be included, but in a way that does not combine in with and contradict the other sources. '''''[[User:ianmacm|<span style="background:#88b;color:#cff;font-variant:small-caps">♦Ian<span style="background:#99c">Ma<span style="background:#aad">c</span></span>M♦</span>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ianmacm|(talk to me)]]</sup>''''' 10:32, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
:It was Abedi's sister who said this.[https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/sister-reveals-motives-of-manchester-massacre-monster/ZKH2V6LQFRGKR5JTCZPKF3KVXQ/?c_id=2&objectid=11863098] It is similar to the motive that one of the killers gave for the [[Murder of Lee Rigby]]. Salman Abedi did not leave behind any personal explanation of why he had done it, but the motive was clearly Islamist extremism.--'''''[[User:ianmacm|<span style="background:#88b;color:#cff;font-variant:small-caps">♦Ian<span style="background:#99c">Ma<span style="background:#aad">c</span></span>M♦</span>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ianmacm|(talk to me)]]</sup>''''' 09:39, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
::I do not think it's incorrect to state "1,017 were injured, 239 physically." It's similar to "x amount injured, x amount hospitalised". It's just additional information, the UK often includes mental trauma as injured, and at present that's not clear in the article, one would assume that 1,017 were injured physically by the bomb, which is incorrect. It's just adding context. [[User:AllSaintsNext|AllSaintsNext]] ([[User talk:AllSaintsNext|talk]]) 15:11, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
:::I wasn't sure about the best way around this, but it is important not to combine the two sources in a way that is not explicitly stated by either of them. Some of the psychological injuries may not have become obvious until weeks or months after the attack. The National Library of Medicine source says that the people involved were screened at 3, 6 and 9 months after the incident. The sourcing doesn't say that there were 778 psychological injuries, this involves combining information in a way that neither source says.--'''''[[User:ianmacm|<span style="background:#88b;color:#cff;font-variant:small-caps">♦Ian<span style="background:#99c">Ma<span style="background:#aad">c</span></span>M♦</span>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ianmacm|(talk to me)]]</sup>''''' 15:20, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

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The perpetrator was motivated by the deaths of Muslim children resulting from the American-led intervention in the Syrian Civil War.

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Where is proof of this & this alone? Heurope (talk) 02:26, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It was Abedi's sister who said this.[1] It is similar to the motive that one of the killers gave for the Murder of Lee Rigby. Salman Abedi did not leave behind any personal explanation of why he had done it, but the motive was clearly Islamist extremism.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 09:39, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]