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== Suicides of his partners == |
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I didn't know if this could be added. This is a photo from Picasso's dinner party in April 1973. He went to bed at 3 a.m. and died in his sleep. |
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https://twitter.com/50YearsAgoLive/status/1644362891900887040/photo/1 [[Special:Contributions/2601:603:1A7F:9740:7988:DE60:E98A:6C72|2601:603:1A7F:9740:7988:DE60:E98A:6C72]] ([[User talk:2601:603:1A7F:9740:7988:DE60:E98A:6C72|talk]]) 15:38, 8 April 2023 (UTC) |
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:Do you have any evidence that the photo is either freely licensed or in the public domain? Otherwise, we have to assume that it is restricted by copyright. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 16:02, 8 April 2023 (UTC) |
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== Potential justification for Picasso's abusive behaviour == |
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"The women in Picasso's life played an important role in the emotional and erotic aspects of his creative expression, and the tumultuous nature of these relationships has been considered vital to his artistic process. Many of these women functioned as muses for him, and their inclusion in his extensive oeuvre granted them a place in art history" |
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'Of the several important women in his life, two – lover Marie-Thèrése Walter and his second wife Jacqueline Roque – died by suicide.' |
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This seems misleading, especially as it comes immediately after a long paragraph of (rather vague and non-specific) claims to the effect that Picasso mistreated his partners. The impression it creates is that he drove these women to suicide while they were in their respective relationships with him. In fact, both of them committed suicide ''years after'' his 1973 death (four in Walter's case and thirteen in Roque's). Walter in particular had rejected his marriage proposal in 1955, almost two decades before his death, and he hadn't been seeing her since then (not to mention that their relationship had ended in 1940). To suggest that their suicides were still somehow his fault after all these years, from beyond the grave, seems ... questionable, to say the least. On top of it all, both of them are reported to have been inclined towards suicide by their missing Picasso too much after his death - surely he can't be blamed for not being immortal! (Not to mention that the premise is dubious, given that one managed to live for thirteen years without him, and the other - for 22 without contact and for 37 if you only count the actual relationship.) And it seems even weirder to list Pablito's suicide after Picasso's funeral as another death that Picasso was responsible for in view of the surrounding circumstances that the article itself points out. [[Special:Contributions/62.73.69.121|62.73.69.121]] ([[User talk:62.73.69.121|talk]]) 21:22, 28 January 2024 (UTC) |
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This could be interpreted as a justification for his abusive behaviour. I began reading midway through the paragraph and returned to the beginning, which did contribute to the impression. [[User:Moltengold-surprise|Moltengold-surprise]] ([[User talk:Moltengold-surprise|talk]]) 20:10, 10 June 2023 (UTC) |
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:I had similar thoughts about the misleading quality of the line you quote, though my qualm was mainly a result of knowing that Roque suicided more than 13 years after Picasso’s death. You point out more problems than I was aware of. This should be addressed and redone to at least point out the context. Recently I heard an art teacher telling one of her students that “they don’t talk about the fact that Jackson Pollock had killed a woman in an auto accident”, neglecting to mention that that same auto accident killed him as well. Something similar seems to be occurring here as well. [[Special:Contributions/2600:6C44:237F:884A:1C0F:76A3:6E8C:C60A|2600:6C44:237F:884A:1C0F:76A3:6E8C:C60A]] ([[User talk:2600:6C44:237F:884A:1C0F:76A3:6E8C:C60A|talk]]) 02:53, 15 October 2024 (UTC) |
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:I completely agree and it really should be edited imo. And seems to be complete interpretation of the editor itself since I don't see such concept in the cited source. |
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:I propose to remove the phrase: "and their inclusion in his extensive oeuvre granted them a place in art history" which doesn't give any more info and just seems to insinuate that these persons should be happy to have been abused. |
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:And maybe changing the phrase: |
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:''"and the tumultuous nature of these relationships has been considered vital to his artistic process"'' |
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:to: |
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:''"and the tumultuous nature of these relationships has been considered '''as a key role''' to understand his artistic process"'' |
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:And maybe, since it is a key to understand the art of Picasso, adding a line about this in the introduction? [[User:Zenowlsd|Zenowlsd]] ([[User talk:Zenowlsd|talk]]) 11:08, 25 October 2023 (UTC) |
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Pablo Picasso was not of Romani descent. Delete "French people of Romani descent", "Spanish people of Romani descent" in categories box. [[User:神奇帽子|神奇帽子]] ([[User talk:神奇帽子|talk]]) 07:40, 6 July 2024 (UTC) |
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Suicides of his partners
[edit]'Of the several important women in his life, two – lover Marie-Thèrése Walter and his second wife Jacqueline Roque – died by suicide.'
This seems misleading, especially as it comes immediately after a long paragraph of (rather vague and non-specific) claims to the effect that Picasso mistreated his partners. The impression it creates is that he drove these women to suicide while they were in their respective relationships with him. In fact, both of them committed suicide years after his 1973 death (four in Walter's case and thirteen in Roque's). Walter in particular had rejected his marriage proposal in 1955, almost two decades before his death, and he hadn't been seeing her since then (not to mention that their relationship had ended in 1940). To suggest that their suicides were still somehow his fault after all these years, from beyond the grave, seems ... questionable, to say the least. On top of it all, both of them are reported to have been inclined towards suicide by their missing Picasso too much after his death - surely he can't be blamed for not being immortal! (Not to mention that the premise is dubious, given that one managed to live for thirteen years without him, and the other - for 22 without contact and for 37 if you only count the actual relationship.) And it seems even weirder to list Pablito's suicide after Picasso's funeral as another death that Picasso was responsible for in view of the surrounding circumstances that the article itself points out. 62.73.69.121 (talk) 21:22, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
- I had similar thoughts about the misleading quality of the line you quote, though my qualm was mainly a result of knowing that Roque suicided more than 13 years after Picasso’s death. You point out more problems than I was aware of. This should be addressed and redone to at least point out the context. Recently I heard an art teacher telling one of her students that “they don’t talk about the fact that Jackson Pollock had killed a woman in an auto accident”, neglecting to mention that that same auto accident killed him as well. Something similar seems to be occurring here as well. 2600:6C44:237F:884A:1C0F:76A3:6E8C:C60A (talk) 02:53, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
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Pablo Picasso was not of Romani descent. Delete "French people of Romani descent", "Spanish people of Romani descent" in categories box. 神奇帽子 (talk) 07:40, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- Done 💜 melecie talk - 08:18, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
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