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== Suicides of his partners ==
Does anyone know if Picasso ever did any sculpting or metal work?


'Of the several important women in his life, two – lover Marie-Thèrése Walter and his second wife Jacqueline Roque – died by suicide.'
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This seems misleading, especially as it comes immediately after a long paragraph of (rather vague and non-specific) claims to the effect that Picasso mistreated his partners. The impression it creates is that he drove these women to suicide while they were in their respective relationships with him. In fact, both of them committed suicide ''years after'' his 1973 death (four in Walter's case and thirteen in Roque's). Walter in particular had rejected his marriage proposal in 1955, almost two decades before his death, and he hadn't been seeing her since then (not to mention that their relationship had ended in 1940). To suggest that their suicides were still somehow his fault after all these years, from beyond the grave, seems ... questionable, to say the least. On top of it all, both of them are reported to have been inclined towards suicide by their missing Picasso too much after his death - surely he can't be blamed for not being immortal! (Not to mention that the premise is dubious, given that one managed to live for thirteen years without him, and the other - for 22 without contact and for 37 if you only count the actual relationship.) And it seems even weirder to list Pablito's suicide after Picasso's funeral as another death that Picasso was responsible for in view of the surrounding circumstances that the article itself points out. [[Special:Contributions/62.73.69.121|62.73.69.121]] ([[User talk:62.73.69.121|talk]]) 21:22, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
'''"Computers are useless. They only give you answers."'''
There are many websites that attribute this quote to Pablo Picasso. Do any of you fellow Wikipedians know of a reputable source (preferably with date) for this quote?
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:I had similar thoughts about the misleading quality of the line you quote, though my qualm was mainly a result of knowing that Roque suicided more than 13 years after Picasso’s death. You point out more problems than I was aware of. This should be addressed and redone to at least point out the context. Recently I heard an art teacher telling one of her students that “they don’t talk about the fact that Jackson Pollock had killed a woman in an auto accident”, neglecting to mention that that same auto accident killed him as well. Something similar seems to be occurring here as well. [[Special:Contributions/2600:6C44:237F:884A:1C0F:76A3:6E8C:C60A|2600:6C44:237F:884A:1C0F:76A3:6E8C:C60A]] ([[User talk:2600:6C44:237F:884A:1C0F:76A3:6E8C:C60A|talk]]) 02:53, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
Who on earth were the Stuckists?


== Semi-protected edit request on 6 July 2024 ==
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[[User:GWO|GWO]] - (who is only just resisting the urge to add [[:The Modern Lovers|"nobody ever called him an asshole"]] to the original page on Pablo Picasso...)
Pablo Picasso was not of Romani descent. Delete "French people of Romani descent", "Spanish people of Romani descent" in categories box. [[User:神奇帽子|神奇帽子]] ([[User talk:神奇帽子|talk]]) 07:40, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

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", a view echoed by the [[:Stuckists|Stuckists]]" I'd like a reference for the 'must paint' line, by the way. Picasso was a horrid man and given to statements like that which he often as not didn't mean, so I'd like to know where/when he said it.
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Well maybe he didn't mean it but he was scornful of Maar's photography and encouraged her to focus on her painting. Similarly for a number of his other mistresses, even Ferdinande was encouraged to paint. Whether there is one particular quote that will "prove" the point, I don't know, that would take a true scholar rather than a jobsworth like myself.

Sorry you felt the need to remove the Stuckist reference I felt it made an interesting Wiki link. Unusual connections makes for interesting browsing.

Also isn't "horrid man" a little strong? Wouldn't "flawed" be more neutral?

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He was always scornful of any woman's work as an artist. All of 'em. He didnt' think much of most painters, either. I think he was a great painter, but nasty. Read the Norman Mailer biography - he was more than flawed. I restrained myself from saying so in the entry, but someone will come along and document it in the 'life' section, I hope. On the Stuckists, I don't see why they shouldn't show up, but I wouldn't think in the introduction. --MichaelTinkler

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I realise this is getting silly but I do think you are being unfair here. He felt Maar was a good artist but found it difficult to disentangle his feelings for her from his views on her works. He seemed to have a more balanced view of her in his last years. I don't really feel that Norman Mailer is the best biographer of Picasso either. I think you are over-stating the case for him being "nasty", he was capable of acts of great spite and cruelty, he could be cowardly and greedy but in a long and complex life that does not make him that different from many other people in similar situations.

R

:That's why I'm not writing the article, because I find it easier to be objective about his work (which I teach every spring) if I don't think about him as a person; everything I know about him as a person is repulsive. His shallow, unreflective politics, his treatment of his friends and lovers, and his ego. Many artists are that way, of course, and Norman Mailer's argument (tacit in the Picasso book, explicit about his own life) is that you have to be selfish FOR your art. I wonder. On the other hand, I reserve the right to edit the article - the Stuckists don't belong in the first paragraphs of anything except an article about late modern or postmodern art. I did rewrite the sentence to include his work-ethic. I really do think he was a great as well as an important artist, but I don't have to like him as a human being. --MichaelTinkler

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It is not a hundered percent clear if the paintings in the 'early life' section were made by Picasso himself or his dad.
--Dennis Schaaf

==Picasso's work==
<gallery>
Image:Picasso2.JPG|Picasso
Image:WomansHead.JPG|''Head of a woman''
Image:ManWithLollipop.JPG|''Man with a Lollipop''

Image:DyingBull.JPG|''Dying Bull''
Image:TheScream.JPG|''The Scream''
Image:StillLifeRum.JPG|''Still Life with a bottle of Rum''

Image:PicassoSelfPortrait.JPG|''Self Portrait''
Image:GirlProfile.JPG|''Girl in Profile''
Image:GirlReading.JPG|''Girl Reading at a Table''

Image:Mendoline.JPG|''Mandolin, Fruit Bowl, and Plaster Arm''
Image:GertrudeStein.JPG|''Portrait of Gertrude Stein''
Image:PicassoTheActor.JPG|''The Actor''

Image:LeaningHarlequin.JPG|''Leaning Harlequin''
Image:NudeInArmchair.JPG|''Nude in an armchair''
Image:BlindBreakfast.JPG|''Breakfast of a Blind Man''
</gallery>

==Did you do this?==
:A [[Nazi]] officer is supposed to have come to his door brandishing a postcard and demanding, "Did you do this?" "No," Picasso is supposed to have replied, "you did."
In [[Talk:Guernica (painting)]] it was removed as unreferenced.--[[User:Error|Error]] 02:18, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I've read that anecdote in several books on Picasso actually, though it seems more like an 'urban legend' anyway. ([[User:Cfitzart|Cfitzart]] 08:37, 27 July 2005 (UTC))

==Taking sides in the Spanish war==
He was commisioned Guernica for the pavilion of the Spanish Republic in the Paris World Fair.
Isn't that enough?--[[User:Error|Error]] 02:18, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)

==Missing the point==
Aprt from a few references to Cubism, his blue period, and Guernica, this article only addresses his art as if it were evidence at a psychological inquest. Nothing wrong with showing him warts and all, but it doesn't sound as if the authors of this piece have any interest in his art or its place in Western culture (other than its dollar value). If Michale Trinkler teaches Picasso, then he should find something to say about him beyond this. [[User:24.126.41.116|24.126.41.116]] 05:37, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)

==periods==

A timeline of his periods would add a great deal of understanding to his work.

==Removal of POV text==

I removed the following:

:''...who was used to submissive women who lived for whatever scraps of affection or attention he deigned to give them''

--[[User:Goethean|goethean <big>&#2384;</big> ]] 21:21, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

I think that the entire ''Personal life'' section has some POV issues.
[[User:Parallel or Together?|Parallel or Together?]] 04:00, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

==Comment moved from main page==
i think its a fac - [[User:210.7.71.116]] 07:59, 11 July 2005

== ''''''you now what thats not write you couldn't do the work he did so don't gudge him on what he did or what his family did. ==''''''

Latest revision as of 18:27, 5 November 2024

Suicides of his partners

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'Of the several important women in his life, two – lover Marie-Thèrése Walter and his second wife Jacqueline Roque – died by suicide.'

This seems misleading, especially as it comes immediately after a long paragraph of (rather vague and non-specific) claims to the effect that Picasso mistreated his partners. The impression it creates is that he drove these women to suicide while they were in their respective relationships with him. In fact, both of them committed suicide years after his 1973 death (four in Walter's case and thirteen in Roque's). Walter in particular had rejected his marriage proposal in 1955, almost two decades before his death, and he hadn't been seeing her since then (not to mention that their relationship had ended in 1940). To suggest that their suicides were still somehow his fault after all these years, from beyond the grave, seems ... questionable, to say the least. On top of it all, both of them are reported to have been inclined towards suicide by their missing Picasso too much after his death - surely he can't be blamed for not being immortal! (Not to mention that the premise is dubious, given that one managed to live for thirteen years without him, and the other - for 22 without contact and for 37 if you only count the actual relationship.) And it seems even weirder to list Pablito's suicide after Picasso's funeral as another death that Picasso was responsible for in view of the surrounding circumstances that the article itself points out. 62.73.69.121 (talk) 21:22, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I had similar thoughts about the misleading quality of the line you quote, though my qualm was mainly a result of knowing that Roque suicided more than 13 years after Picasso’s death. You point out more problems than I was aware of. This should be addressed and redone to at least point out the context. Recently I heard an art teacher telling one of her students that “they don’t talk about the fact that Jackson Pollock had killed a woman in an auto accident”, neglecting to mention that that same auto accident killed him as well. Something similar seems to be occurring here as well. 2600:6C44:237F:884A:1C0F:76A3:6E8C:C60A (talk) 02:53, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Pablo Picasso was not of Romani descent. Delete "French people of Romani descent", "Spanish people of Romani descent" in categories box. 神奇帽子 (talk) 07:40, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Done 💜  melecie  talk - 08:18, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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