Talk:Dunces and Dragons/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: ChrisGualtieri (talk · contribs) 05:49, 2 January 2014 (UTC) I'll do this one. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 05:49, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

Good Article Checklist

• Well-written -the prose is clear and concise, respects copyright laws, and the spelling and grammar are correct; and it complies with the manual of style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.
• Verifiable with no original research: it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline; it provides in-line citations from reliable sources for direct quotations, statistics, published opinion, counter-intuitive or controversial statements that are challenged or likely to be challenged, and contentious material relating to living persons—science-based articles should follow the scientific citation guidelines; and it contains no original research.
• Broad in its coverage: it addresses the main aspects of the topic; and it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).
• Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without bias, giving due weight to each.
• Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.
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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

• Disambig links: Checks out OK
• External links:Checks out OK
• Reference check: Checks out OK

No immediate concerns with the references were found. All checked out as working without redirects, 404s or other errors. Consistency in sources' date formatting was also checked.

Review details: "upclose" should be "up-close". The text for Squidward is a surprise link for Squiddy, please address this. The modified character appearance should be noted and not uncovered upon mouse-over or clicking of the link. Also this does not provide the necessary context for printed versions of the page. Something I do with my GAN reviews. Same goes for King Krabs. Around this time the plot summary prose has flow issues, "There they meet Squidly, King Krabs former jester locked in the tower for a bad joke playing a clarinet. SpongeBob, Patrick and Squidly are sent King Krabs who orders them to be executed because of an insulting song they perform in front of him." This should be broken up. It is a run-on sentence, but it flows awkwardly. Same with "Planktonimor" and "Black Knight". Wording choice, "A duel ensues, with SpongeBob ultimately winning due to his karate prowess. After the battle, SpongeBob decides to spare her life." this makes it seem like SpongeBob would kill the Black Knight and seems to a bit dramatic. Is this an accurate description of the events? More prose issues, " The dragon eats it and likes it that it becomes obedient to SpongeBob, zapping Planktonimor."

Duplicate source duplication: "Nickelodeon also tied-in with Burger King to release a toyline based on the episode for promotion.[7][7] The toyline consisted of 20 different figures.[7][7]" More of a concern is that the plot summary includes text that is currently used on the Spongebob Wikia. Could you please explain this? The title is clearly a pun on Dungeons and Dragons, yet the numerous cultural references are absent, reducing some of the context and brilliance of the writing. In fact, the plot summary seems to have been written by an entirely different editor and just doesn't meet the requirements for a GA. Could you please re-write it? ChrisGualtieri (talk) 01:43, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi ChrisGualtieri. I have fixed the source duplication and the plot summary. Do you think the plot is now acceptable or should be revised again? About the SpongeBob Wiki, I am very sorry for not changing that before. BTW, yes it is a play on "Dungeons and Dragons" but I don't have sources about it. Mediran (t • c) 07:38, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

I'm not able to re-write the plot summary for you because I have not seen the episode in question, but the prose is somehow actually worse than when it began. I do appreciate your attempts to change and reduce some of the issues, but even the opening sentence has some issues. "In the episode, SpongeBob and Patrick are arriving to a stadium to watch a jousting tournament." - "The episode begins with SpongeBob and Patrick running to the Medieval Moments restaurant to watch a jousting tournament. The announcer calls for two members of the audience to participate in the tournament and both SpongeBob and Patrick eagerly call out and flail their arms. They are selected and put on sea horses and given lances before being told they are in the tournament. As they protest, the sea horses charge without warning. SpongeBob and Patrick are thrown out of the building and into the 11th-century Bikini Bottom. For falling from the sky, a group of knights surround and imprison them, with Squidward's ancestor, Squiddy. Squiddy..." Since I believe it is the 11th and not 8th century Bikini Bottom... some other issues with the plot's prose remain. Just please keep working on it, it is the major stand out section now. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 14:47, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

You've worked on it a bit, but there is a lot to do. Should I fail this rather than continue to hold it indefinitely? ChrisGualtieri (talk) 04:29, 11 January 2014 (UTC)