Talk:Criminalization of homosexuality

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 21:42, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

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• ... that in Africa, the criminalization of homosexuality was a colonial imposition and the decriminalization of homosexuality is resisted as a neocolonial imposition?
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Created by Buidhe (talk). Self-nominated at 20:24, 13 January 2022 (UTC).

• Nice article, Buidhe; good luck with the good article nomination. I believe that the hook is accurate to the text of the article, though it's open to question. The article currently says "The belief that the West is conspiring to depopulate Africa using homosexuality is also a common argument for retaining the criminalization of homosexuality in Africa", and the bit about being a Western import, which I think suffices, but it would be better to have closer wording in either the hook or the article. But maybe I missed something?
  Otherwise, what I'm seeing is a well-referenced article, newly nominated. It may be long enough ;). No copyvio, QPQ done, interesting hook and broadly appealing. Only issue is "neocolonial imposition".
  Irrelevant for DYK, but "Paternalism argues that ..."? I think "Paternalists" is better; it's not like philosophy itself speaks, otherwise we'd better be scared of schizoanalysis saying anything. "The Abrahamic religions all have negative attitudes towards homosexuality", same deal, and may need some couching language or better support for "all" (you put in the RM for Homosexuality and Judaism after all). Urve (talk) 10:28, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Thanks for your review, Urve. I've added an explicit mention of how decriminalization of homosexuality is seen as neocolonialism. I've fixed the bit about paternalism and clarified that all Abrahamic religions traditionally hold negative views of homosexuality. Unfortunately, I cannot find any sources that tie LGBT-affirming religious denominations to the criminalization issue, or else that would get a mention here. (t · c) buidhe 16:36, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
    • Thanks! Good work. Urve (talk) 07:51, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

See also section

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Hi, Buidhe. Please see Wikipedia:See alsos and MOS:SEEALSO. The only consensus on this is that - "The "See also" section should not include red links or links to disambiguation pages (unless used for further disambiguation in a disambiguation page). As a general rule, the "See also" section should not repeat links that appear in the article's body". This edit does not violate that consensus. It mentions nothing about Navboxes links. The reason why I added them here is because the Navbox does not show when using mobile. Helper201 (talk) 21:33, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

The article is pretty complete. Any links that are sufficiently relevant to the topic are either already linked in the article or should be added. But I think your see also section includes some links that are tangential.

I'm generally skeptical of see also sections because in my experience they tend to be magnets for links that are not verifiably related to the article topic. (t · c) buidhe 21:36, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

The thing is this breaks no Wikipedia guidelines and only you have shown any issue with it. To you alone enforce a unilateral banning of me being able to add this seems like WP:OWNERSHIP. Helper201 (talk) 21:42, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

WikiProject Crime assessment

I have tentatively assessed this article as C class on first reading because this is the first time I have read the article and I have not had time to go through the B-class checklist, yet. Personally, I think the article is not stable enough to be a good article because there is a dispute over the See also section being present, or not. There should at least be a See also link to the list article LGBT rights by country or territory, also, for balance I would have thought there is a need to discuss the Decriminalization of homosexuality, but I see that an article by that name is currently a redirect. In the absence of a contrary viewpoint in a different article, the current article needs to explore how criminalization first occurred historically as well as explore how decriminalization has occurred in the past in the many states where homosexuality is no longer criminalized, as well as the current calls for recriminalization or harsher criminalization and enforcement that seems to be happening in some countries. This is why this article gets a C class rating for Crime from me. If others have a different opinion and think the article warrants a B-class rating or higher in the Crime or other WikiProjects feel free to reassess the article, but I don't think this can be a Good Article until it is at least a B-class assessment rating for the majority of WikiProjects. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 23:32, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

I've added a link to LGBT rights by country or territory. For future reference, the historical reasons for criminalization and decriminalization of homosexuality are already covered in the "history" section. There are multiple paragraphs in the article about decriminalization, but I'm unsure whether it would be an improvement to spinoff a new article on decriminalization since the topics are integrally connected. (t · c) buidhe 00:12, 15 January 2022 (UTC)