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Requested moves

• 06 Nov 2024 – Danielle Valore Evans (talk · edit · hist) is requested to be moved to Danielle Evans by Roman Spinner (t · c); see discussion
• 05 Nov 2024 – Constance of Aragon (talk · edit · hist) is requested to be moved to Constance of Aragon, Holy Roman Empress by Srnec (t · c); see discussion
• 04 Nov 2024 – Prince Emil of Hesse and by Rhine (talk · edit · hist) is requested to be moved to Prince Emil of Hesse by AndrewPeterT (t · c); see discussion
• 04 Nov 2024 – Arthur Shurlock (talk · edit · hist) is requested to be moved to Art Shurlock by GauchoDude (t · c); see discussion
• 04 Nov 2024 – John Savage (actor) (talk · edit · hist) is requested to be moved to John Savage by Jean-de-Nivelle (t · c); see discussion
• 03 Nov 2024 – Hussein of Jordan (talk · edit · hist) is requested to be moved to Hussein, King of Jordan by Estar8806 (t · c); see discussion
• 03 Nov 2024 – Dafydd ap Gruffydd (talk · edit · hist) is requested to be moved to Dafydd ap Gruffudd by Ham II (t · c); see discussion
• 03 Nov 2024 – Yi Tjoune (talk · edit · hist) is requested to be moved to Yi Chun by Seefooddiet (t · c); see discussion
• 03 Nov 2024 – Bada (singer) (talk · edit · hist) is requested to be moved by RachelTensions (t · c); see discussion
• 02 Nov 2024 – Joe Locke (actor) (talk · edit · hist) is requested to be moved to Joe Locke by InfiniteNexus (t · c); see discussion

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Requested move at Talk:Princess Frederica of Prussia (1796–1850)#Requested move 7 September 2023

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Princess Frederica of Prussia (1796–1850)#Requested move 7 September 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. UtherSRG (talk) 16:06, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Jeremy Collins nominated for deletion

I have nominated the article Jeremy Collins for deletion. You're welcome to input at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jeremy Collins. George Ho (talk) 03:01, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

2+ year slowmo edit war at Eugene Chan

I'll just leave this here.   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  11:26, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Which Eugene Chan are you linking to? Annwfwn (talk) 01:05, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

COI guidance

Hello! I have a question about WP:COISELF, which says that articles about someone you know in real life should go through the WP:AFC process. I would like to overhaul + flesh out the sourcing on the article John Hagan (sailor), who is my grandfather. I'm very familiar with sourcing policies and obviously wouldn't use/rely on any sort of personal knowledge - If I were to draft a rewrite in my sandbox, could that then go through WP:EDITREQUEST to solve for the COI? ThadeusOfNazereth(he/him)^{Talk to Me!} 11:43, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Wrong place to ask. This is a WikiProject talk page, not a place to get advice on biographies or conflicts of interest. For biographies, that'd probably best be WP:BLPN. For COI, that'd probably be WP:COIN. That said, our core guidelines and policies don't suddenly become optional once you've made a certain number of edits. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 02:33, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

I assumed that members of the Wikiproject would be familiar with what's normally done in this situation. our core guidelines and policies don't suddenly become optional once you've made a certain number of edits: I did not imply they did. ThadeusOfNazereth(he/him)^{Talk to Me!} 13:49, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

Requested move discussion: Chrysanthus Janssen --> Chrysanthus (arachnologist)

Members of this WikiProject might be interested in the requested move discussion happening at Talk:Chrysanthus Janssen#Requested move 24 September 2023. Thank you for any feedback at that talk page! Umimmak (talk) 01:53, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Discussion is now between Chrysanthus (arachnologist) and Father Chrysanthus as possible article titles. Thank you again for any additional comments in that requested move discussion. Umimmak (talk) 07:26, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Black Lab

Black Lab has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Onegreatjoke (talk) 00:03, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for KevJumba

KevJumba has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 19:54, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Women in Red October 2023

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Question about infobox |name= and article title?

Hi, the Template:Infobox person documentation reads (my bold):

Parameter	Explanation
name	Common name of person (defaults to article name if left blank; provide |birth_name= (below) if different from |name=). If middle initials are specified (or implied) by the lead of the article, and are not specified separately in the |birth_name= parameter, include them here. Do not put honorifics or alternative names in this parameter. There are separate parameters for these things, covered below.
birth_name	Name at birth; only use if different from |name=.

I read this as saying not to use |birth_name= if it would otherwise repeat |name=, save for the specificity of a middle name/initial, and that if that is the case and |birth_name= is not used, a middle initial can be in |name= even if it's not present in the article title, provided a middle initial is "implied" by the lead (which I took to mean a middle name is present in the first sentence).

And I know elsewhere, MOS:INFOBOXNAME reads (again, my bold):

The template should have a large, bold title line. Either a table caption or a header can be used for this. It should be named the common name of the article's subject but may contain the full (official) name; this does not need to match the article's Wikipedia title, but falling back to use that (with {{PAGENAMEBASE}}) is usually fine. It should not contain a link.

As such I have read these to say that |name= can include a middle initial even if that middle initial is not in the article title, however I wanted to ask to see if there was a consensus that the article title had to match exactly. This conversation started initially for the article Lilias Armstrong (Talk:Lilias Armstrong#Middle initial in infobox), although when I found other FAs of biographies where the |name= differed from the article title to show precedent for a mismatch (see the edit summary [1] nope, not standard, see literally every GA/FA out there, they all got changed as well ([2], [3], [4], [5]). Looking for some clarification as to what is standard practice and if, perhaps, the Infobox person template documentation is out of sync with some policy elsewhere mandating |name= be identical to the WP:COMMONNAME selected as the title. Thanks for any thoughts which might clear up my confusion! Courtesy ping GiantSnowman. Umimmak (talk) 17:13, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

My nearly 20 year experience of editing BLPs is - the name parameter reflects the name of the subject (which is also the article title), with some minor exceptions like royalty/aristocracy, and the birthname/fullname parameter is for inclusion of middle names as well. If there is no middle name, then there is no need to use both. GiantSnowman 18:40, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

Draft: Stefan Bringezu

Hei, one question: do you think this information I've added to this draft are enough to get accepted? Or should I search for more informations? Thank you so much in advance! Best Cora Cora1106 (talk) 06:01, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

I'd love to see where and when he graduated from, with what degrees. He has published at least 30 or 40 papers, that should be mentioned. Also, he is still the scientific director of the CESR, your draft is in past tense. Sourcing is much improved. Annwfwn (talk) 14:40, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

Hei thank you so much for your input, I will search for it, and good sources as well! and actually he is not the director any more because there was an intern switch in the Univeristy of Kassel.

All the best! Cora1106 (talk) 14:57, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Infobox RfC on the biography of Georges Feydeau

There's an ongoing discussion about adding an infobox to the biography of Georges Feydeau. Community feedback is welcome. Thanks! Nemov (talk) 15:36, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

Good article nomination for Femke Bol

The article Femke Bol was nominated as good article (sports). You can help review it. – Editør (talk) 22:29, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Zakir Hossain Raju (professor)#Requested move 3 October 2023

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Zakir Hossain Raju (professor)#Requested move 3 October 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. UtherSRG (talk) 11:48, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Józef Abelewicz § Requested move 3 October 2023

 You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Józef Abelewicz § Requested move 3 October 2023. Cukrakalnis (talk) 12:40, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Grand Duke Nicholas Nikolaevich of Russia (1831–1891)#Requested move 29 September 2023

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Grand Duke Nicholas Nikolaevich of Russia (1831–1891)#Requested move 29 September 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ❯❯❯ Raydann^(Talk) 03:52, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Requested input on Talk:Janelle Monáe

There's a discussion on Talk:Janelle Monáe about whether to change Monáe's pronouns, in the article, to they/them (the pronouns currently used are she/her)and if Monáe's choice of pronoun order should impact the pronouns used in the biography article. Historyday01 (talk) 21:22, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Yaroslav Hunka#Requested move 3 October 2023

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Yaroslav Hunka#Requested move 3 October 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. — MaterialWorks 19:52, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

Matters of alma maters

Hello,

I recently made an edit request on behalf of a client to update a BLP (see here) and was informed by the reviewing editor that biographies should not include information about the subject's undergraduate studies, and that "A bachelor's is not an academic degree." They cited MOS:DEGREE, and the line "The lead sentence should be concise: Academic (including honorary) degrees and professional qualifications may be mentioned in the article, along with the above, but should be omitted from the lead, as should superseded honors (e.g., the lesser of two grades in an order), and those issued by other entities (e.g., sub-national organizations)." This is from the section of the MOS on post-nominal letters, and I believe it refers to when to include those with the subject's name. As far as I know, a bachelor's is an academic degree. In fact, the article academic degrees clearly includes undergraduate degrees (including bachelor's), and in my experience alma maters, whether attended at an undergraduate or graduate level, are frequently mentioned in biographies on Wikipedia.

I would love any clarification editors here can provide on whether it is acceptable to mention undergraduate degrees and alma maters in a biography on Wikipedia. If there is something I am missing, please let me know, so I can make better requests in the future. Cheers! BINK Robin (talk) 17:53, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks to User:Russ Woodroofe for weighing in. I am seeking editor assistance to update the biography's Memberships section, and I've proposed removing the "advertisement" banner, if any project members are able to help. Thanks! BINK Robin (talk) 18:18, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Coco Lee

The biography appears unbalanced in light of ongoing controversies. Reports of her husband's infidelity are covered much less compared to a workplace incident being prematurely connected to her health issues and death by an editor. Inputs would be appreciated on the article's talk page. Vacosea (talk) 13:14, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

What is the best way to handle disambiguation of personal name?

I really don't want this perceived as canvassing. What is the best placement for the title of an article when disambiguation is a problem? Let's say you have chess master, Thomas Wentworth, and there are seven other equally famous Thomas Wentworth's. He has the sourced middle name of Percy but really never uses it. No other Thomas Wentworth has the middle name Percy. Is it better to place his article title at Thomas Percy Wentworth or Thomas Wentworth (chess)? The middle name could be sourced to older university biographies, but really nothing else. Consensus will usually happen one way or the other regardless of guidelines depending on the editors in move request, but in most cases which way would WikiProject Biography lean as best for our readers? I've always wondered about this since we always strive not to use parentheses but then we also don't want to use a factual middle name that a person rarely uses. Fyunck(click) (talk) 03:39, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

If Thomas Percy Wentworth isn't his WP:COMMONNAME, then the article should be titled Thomas Wentworth (chess). WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 05:05, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. Fyunck(click) (talk) 19:29, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Tina Wesson re-nominated for deletion

The article Tina Wesson has been re-nominated for deletion. Link: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tina Wesson (2nd nomination). George Ho (talk) 09:07, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

FAR for Mário de Andrade

I have nominated Mário de Andrade for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" in regards to the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Z1720 (talk) 15:51, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Vital articles/Level/5 add/remove participation

At Wikipedia talk:Vital articles/Level/5 we need some input on the following discussions to

Add Dua Lipa - 3 Grammys, 2 Multi-platinum albums, 9 #1 singles as lead artist

Add Paula Abdul 1 Grammy, 2 Emmys, 2 Multi-platinum albums, 3 #1 singles as lead artist

Remove Demi Lovato 0 Grammys, 0 Multi-platinum albums, 0 #1 singles as lead artist

Remove Carly Rae Jepsen 0 Grammys, 0 Multi-platinum albums, 2 #1 singles as lead artist

Please drop in and contribute to the decisions.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 14:24, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Also notice a more complicated Add/Remove involving

Add Faith Hill - 5 Grammys, 6 multiplatinum albums, 14 #1 singles as lead and 3 more as featured -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 18:15, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

RfC - See also section - Michael Stone

There's an ongoing RfC at Talk:Michael Stone (criminal)#RfC - See also section of relevance to this project. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 12:00, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Takehiko Yamashina#Requested move 29 September 2023

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Takehiko Yamashina#Requested move 29 September 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. estar8806 (talk) ★ 22:24, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Women in Red - November 2023

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Requested move at Talk:Wilhelm II, German Emperor#Requested move 20 October 2023

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Wilhelm II, German Emperor#Requested move 20 October 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ASUKITE 15:03, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of H. Lane Mitchell

The article H. Lane Mitchell has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

article cites no sources

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Possible hoax on Lucretius (Level 4 vital article)

Your help may be needed on Talk:Lucretius, regarding part of the article that may be falsified information. Renerpho (talk) 19:50, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Kidnapping of Shani Louk#Requested move 30 October 2023

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Kidnapping of Shani Louk#Requested move 30 October 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. —Alalch E. 22:49, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

Jody Freeman

Hello,

As part of my work at Beutler Ink, I am submitting a series of edit requests to update the Jody Freeman article, which has an "advertisement" banner, as well as unsourced and biased text. Since I have a COI, I'm proposing article improvements at Talk:Jody Freeman instead of editing the article directly. I am currently seeking assistance to update the Memberships section, and I've proposed removing the "advertisement" banner, if any WikiProject Biography members are interested in joining the discussion. Cheers! BINK Robin (talk) 16:12, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Jim Goetz

Hello, I made a suggestion for an addition to the Jim Goetz on the article's Talk:Jim_Goetz#Proposed_Philanthropy_section. Would anyone here be interested in reviewing it? I have a conflict of interest with regard to Mr. Goetz, so it's best I not edit the article myself. Best, WWB Too (Talk · COI) 20:07, 2 November 2023 (UTC)