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Dance of the Dead deletion.

I recently posted a page on "Dance of the dead (2007) film" You claimed it to be "utter nonsense." This is not the case. I saw it at tha Atlanat film festival the other week, and had an IMDB link to back it up. Granted I got the date wrong, as it was a 2008 release, but it is a legitimate film. I don't know why you delted it. Could you please undelete it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Whm2 (talk • contribs) 22:28, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Please provide a link to some online news coverage or another way (besides imdb, which anyone can edit) to verify this movie. Stifle (talk) 07:28, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Here's it's offccial website http://danceofthedeadmovie.com/

and Here's an Atlanat Journal Article on it

http://www.accessatlanta.com/news/content/movies/stories/2008/04/18/filmfest0418.html

-Whm2

OK, I've restored the page so that we can have a wider community discussion on the matter. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dance of the Dead (2007 film) for more. Stifle (talk) 08:28, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Deletion of page 'simania'

Hello,

We created a page about the company corresponding to the wikipedia.org.il page: http://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%A1%D7%99%D7%9E%D7%A0%D7%99%D7%94_%28%D7%90%D7%AA%D7%A8_%D7%90%D7%99%D7%A0%D7%98%D7%A8%D7%A0%D7%98%29

As I mentioned in the discussion page, Simania.co.il is the leading book site in Israel getting over 200,000 unique visitors per month, has interesting recommendation algorithms and a unique blend of book related options.

There is public interest about the company and its site.

Please undelete the page.

Thank you.

Laviavigdor (talk) 08:12, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Simania.co.il was deleted under criterion 7 under Articles at WP:Criteria for speedy deletion, because it was an article about web content that does not explain its importance or significance. Please see WP:WEB for details of how a website might be notable. If you think that the site meets those criteria, please explain which one it meets and provide citations from reliable sources to verify that, and I will undelete it.

Alternatively, you may file a deletion review request. Stifle (talk) 08:35, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Ewelme Cricket Club

Hello

You deleted a page I created for Ewelme Cricket Club stating that it doesn't indicate significance, can you please explain why this happened?

Thanks

Adam Arscott Captain Ewelme Cricket Club —Preceding unsigned comment added by AdamArscott (talk • contribs) 11:59, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your message. In future, please sign your messages by typing ~~~~ at the end.

While I'm happy to answer questions, it looks like your question could have been answered and resolved more quickly if you had used my message wizard. It's linked as "Talk" after my name and at the top of my talk page. Why not try it next time?

Ewelme Cricket Club was deleted under criterion 7 under Articles at Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion because it was an article about a club which did not explain its importance or significance. Please see WP:ORG for details of how a club might be notable. If you think that the club meets those criteria, please explain which one it meets and provide citations from reliable sources to verify that, and I will undelete it.

Alternatively, you may file a deletion review request. Stifle (talk) 13:23, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Edits to The Way to Happiness

Hello:

I have devoted more time to reading your rules and agree to abide by them. I am fascinate dy Wikipedia and would like to continue adding neutral, correct information regarding the Way to Happiness.

I'd like to learn more on how to tag information that others add which I find incorrect and I would like to learn how to defend my addtions where I cite primary research supported by secondary research and that is deleted by a user.

To be clear, I am a pro Scientology. The person (Cirt) editing the article is clearly anti-scientology. I have no problem with his adding his "controversial" content but I would like to add correct, verifiable, netural, encyclopedic content which sheds light on positive aspects of The Way to Happiness and would like it to remain there, and not be summarily deleted (vandalized) and stilted to a negative connotation (pulp fiction) and the Humanitarian issue.

If you are going to be watching these edits, I'd like your advice on this.

I would like to add after the first line of the defition. The scentence "The Way to Happiness is available in 93 languages and, to date, over 74 million copies have been distributed world wide" This is a primary research fact from The Way to Happiness Foundation.

I'll wait a few days for your reponse, in the meantime I'll refrain from editing this page and read your policies.

Regards

Gabriel Gabef8008 (talk) 20:23, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

If you have a secondary source (i.e. a newspaper, book, or magazine unconnected with Scientology) that states that fact, you can add that, otherwise you can't. Please see WP:SPS for more information about this.

We're all declaring our interests here, so I'll be clear that I am passively anti-Scientology (i.e. I tell people I don't like it, rather than joining Anonymous or protesting to try and get it banned. But I absolutely defend your right to contribute here insofar as you can do so in compliance with policy. Stifle (talk) 20:31, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

I find it interesting that the user can not limit his comments to the article itself, but must feel the need to comment about me, the contributor, as opposed to focusing solely on the content of the article, in the same comment to you. Cirt (talk) 20:51, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Stifle:

Thank you for your post. I've studied the verifiability policy and will abide by it. I will contact The Way to Happliness to collect third party articles from reliable sources which shed a postive light on the Way to Happiness. I'm sure there are many.

Thank you for your candor in your point of view regarding Scientology. I respect it. And thank you for your statement in protecting my rights to contribute in compliance with your policies.

Would you accept a copy of The Way to Happiness as a token of my appreciation for your defense of my rights?

Regards,

Gabriel —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gabef8008 (talk • contribs) 14:24, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

No thanks. Stifle (talk) 12:39, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Grand Theft Auto IV

As an administrator who has had no dealings with the article, can I get you to cast your eye over Talk:Grand Theft Auto IV#"Pre-launch violence" Section please? -- JediLofty ^{User ¦ Talk} 10:42, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

There's nothing there for me to take administrative actions on and I prefer not to intervene in non-disruptive editing disputes as it tends to end up with me getting involved in something that I don't want anything to do with. Sorry. Stifle (talk) 12:40, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Jazzy Spring Festival Bucharest

Hello Stifle,

I intend to write an article about a jazz festival that is running every April in Bucharest. I really think it's important to have some words in Wikipedia about the only jazz festival running in Bucharest Romania. Yes, it's sad but it's true: we only have this jazz festival running in Bucharest.

As you already have deleted one article with the same name, I would really appreciate if you could take a look on it's new version and tell me if this can be accepted or not. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Dubluzet/Sandbox1

I remind you the deletion: (Deletion log); 11:03 . . Stifle (Talk | contribs) deleted "Jazzy Spring Festival Bucharest" (A7 (group): Group/band/club/company/etc; doesn't indicate importance/significance)

Thank you,

Bogdan Dubluzet (talk) 10:46, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Dubluzet (talk • contribs) 10:42, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

The article lacks citations from reliable sources and as such does not conform to the verifiability policy. It also does not clearly explain what makes it notable. Stifle (talk) 12:41, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Question about AfD process.

I'm curious to know how AfDs are resolved.
I've started an AfD on Psychonaut. To my mind, article is WP:MADEUP or WP:OR, though this would be subject to debate, but is also unambiguously un-cited, despite the article being four years old and having a warning tag on this since May 2007.
Many comments in the AfD are running along the lines of "Keep - We don't need to have cites", which strikes me as not according to Wikipedia policy.
-- So, to what extent is AfD a popularity contest, and to what extent does it hinge on policies? If many people vote Keep, do we disregard policy problems? Who makes the call on AfDs? An admin?
Thanks -- Writtenonsand (talk) 21:58, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Very good question. I find AFD to be a mixture of both. In the case that an article clearly does not meet policies, but a strong majority of users suggest keeping it, it will tend to be kept anyway, if for no other reason than consensus can change. If, on the other hand, the keep and delete "votes" are close together but one side is grounded in policy and the other is more aspirational or citing a number of the arguments considered invalid, then the admin should exercise discretion and declare the result accordingly. I did that recently at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of victims of the Virginia Tech massacre (4th nomination), which decision was ultimately upheld on review.

In the present discussion, very few of those keep "votes" were grounded in policy. As you correctly pointed out it is for those seeking material to be included to verify it. I would wait a month or so then renominate the page, pointing out that no citations have been included since the last discussion and that all the keep "votes" were conditional on citations being added or had a mention that they were needed. In the face of such a small propotion of delete "votes" I don't think that a deletion review would overturn the discussion. Stifle (talk) 12:44, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Undeletion Request

Why did you delete the information I submitted on Obinna Oliobi? I live in South Africa and am a season-ticket holder at Bidvest Wits, as such i'm up to date with all the activities of the club.

Odili

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.241.196.223 (talk) 13:52, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your message. In future, please sign your messages by typing ~~~~ at the end.

Obinna Oliobi was deleted under criterion 7 (under Articles) of our criteria for speedy deletion because it appeared to be an article about a person which didn't indicate why it was important or significant. Please see WP:BIO for details of what might show notability. If you think that these criteria are met, please explain which one and provide citations from reliable sources to back up your claim, and I will consider undeleting it.

You may alternatively file a deletion review request. Stifle (talk) 12:51, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Deletion of The Union (U.P.Y.O.U.R.S.) article

Came across this deletion of yours by chance. While I'm not very knowledgeable about the WWE, this article seemed legit (looking at the Google cache). The Union was a stable which certainly did exist within the WWE. So why the deletion? Calzero (talk) 01:17, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I couldn't find a page with that name. Please specify the exact title including punctuation. Stifle (talk) 12:53, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Article The Union (U.P.Y.O.U.R.S) no longer exists. Here is the deletion log. Calzero (talk) 16:01, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Ah. I see now.

• I was asked to move that article to The Union (professional wrestling) because it couldn't be moved manually.
• I moved that page, deleting the target page to do so.
• Then I thought that the origin page was a vandalistic redirect (when in fact it was just misspelt, missing a period at the end), so I deleted it.

The page still exists at the above title and you can feel free to recreate one or more redirects from alternative names to it. Stifle (talk) 20:55, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Gotcha. Thanks for the clarification. I'll fix the bunk redirect from page Union (disambiguation) that led me to the deleted page. Calzero (talk) 04:11, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/London Oratory School Schola

Perhaps you would revisit your recommendation, please, now that the page has been sourced up? TerriersFan (talk) 16:57, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Done. Stifle (talk) 20:57, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Grogg

Hello,

Just wondering why you thought my page on Grogg was nonsense?

Harris578 (talk) 11:09, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi,

Just wondering why you deleted my page on Grogg? I backed it up with news articles and everything? If you had given me a reason I could have done something about it!

Thanks,

Julian.

Harris578 (talk) 11:12, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your message. One message is usually enough about any given article.

While I'm happy to answer questions, it looks like your question could have been answered and resolved more quickly if you had used my message wizard. It's linked as "Talk" after my name and at the top of my talk page. Why not try it next time?

Since Grogg seems vaguely notable I am going to restore the page and list it for a community deletion discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. Stifle (talk) 11:27, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Grogg

Hi, I am new to this but when I click on talk it brings me here? Can you suggest anything that I can add to stop the deletion? And also how long do I have?

Thanks.

78.145.219.114 (talk) 11:34, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

You can leave a comment at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Grogg, which should be prefixed with "Keep" or "Delete" (or some other action you want taken with the page). Comments should be brief (not more than a few sentences). But note that comments from unregistered users are not usually taken into account. Stifle (talk) 11:36, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

 Sorry forgot to log in.

Harris578 (talk) 11:37, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

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75.85.112.149 (talk) 03:53, 6 May 2008 (UTC)