Talk:Sons of Anarchy

Hamlet

I just noticed that there is a bit of a semblance between Jax, his mother and her new lover, and hamlet claudius and his mother. Also the dead fathers which "haunt" the son's thoughts. It might not be worth a mention in the article but it is quite interesting —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.211.237.140 (talk) 18:55, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

I've added some of the Hamlet information, though as the show progresses it might be worth adding a Hamlet section. The Ron Perlman quote that I added suggests that the show will keep its link to the play throughout the series. --SupermanML (talk) 01:27, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

I'll admit that I'm partial to the Hamlet link to the show... but that said, I'm wondering if it would be worth moving the Hamlet paragraph to a higher point in the article, perhaps as one of the first few paragraphs in the story section. Thoughts? SupermanML (talk) 02:43, 11 October 2008 (UTC) ________________________________________________________________________________________________

season 3? does anyone know if there will be a season 3? thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.77.97.3 (talk) 01:20, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

i just read on OMG! yahoo news that there will be a 3rd season starting september 2010 with 13 episodes!

IRA

Why would the Scottish member possibly be linked to the IRA? Scotland is not Ireland, the IRA were incredibly Nationalist. I don't think they would have allowed a Scottish member.

The IRA most likely allows any one in that supports them. In fact, there have been protestant sympathizers that have helped the IRA in the past. The Scots and Irish have a lot more in common than the Irish and Anglos. After all, the Highland Scots and Irish are both Celtic peoples, who have shared Anglos as an enemy at one point or another. On the other hand, many people of Scottish descent in North Ireland sympathize with the Anglos/British.71.10.230.146 (talk) 13:43, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Also, the IRA doesn't really exist anymore. Thats why there was a Northern Ireland Peace Treaty, the IRA gave up their weapons. That plot-line alone has made me realise I would get annoyed watching this. 77.44.47.20 (talk) 19:57, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

The IRA does still exist today as Provisiona IRA, Real IRA, and Continuity IRA. All three separate entities are still active, most notabley the RIRA, who bombed Massereene Barracks in March of 2009.71.10.230.146 (talk) 13:43, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

216.93.129.61 (talk)

Though I don't really like this show, from what I've seen, the IRA plotline isn't that unbelievable. The leader of Sam Crow reminds his IRA contact that he "supported their split from Adams." By that, I take it that the IRA they are dealing with is the so-called "Real IRA" that split from the IRA after the peace brokered by Gerry Adams. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.93.129.61 (talk) 15:52, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

For a while, I wasn't sure that Chibs was Scottish--granted, the actor is, but I wasn't sure the character was. Then I found proof on the FX website. So anyway, let the debate continue! SupermanML (talk) 21:46, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

as a yankee you would belive that with the peace accord that the IRA would roll up camp amd blow away. nothing could be farther from the truth!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 170.140.166.116 (talk) 18:23, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

True IRA has as much connection to Real IRA as Sons of Anarchy MC has to any real motorcycle club: a fictional connection. Naaman Brown (talk) 10:32, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Hells Angels

This is basically a fictionalized account of the Hell's Angels right? It wouldn't hurt to mention this, particularly if there were quotes saying such by producers or directors. The fact that they operate in the east bay is suggestive of this thesis, beyond the more obvious details.76.91.90.112 (talk) 22:33, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

From what I understand, it's largely fictional, but the history of the gangs is cribbed from HA and the Bandidos and so on. I believe at least two Angels were technical advisors though. Hopefully someone can dig up info to that effect. 208.78.120.35 (talk) 14:09, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

They also seem to be loosely based on the Mongols of California; battles w/ the Mexican mafia, a smaller all-around size of the club, and the fact it was founded by Vietnam vets.Dexta32084 (talk) 22:22, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

As entertaining as this show may be, it does not follow that of a traditional Motor cycle club. I would find it very hard to believe that there are advisors from any motor cycle club, much less the HA's. Based on the shows club design, this more of someone's idea of how a club functions and operates. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Maverickvnv (talk • contribs) 04:26, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

SassyPrncess (talk) 20:54, 12 September 2008 (UTC)Actually, this club functions MUCH more like the MC the Vagos. The club house, the meetings... very similar. I think what those who have never been inside this world do not realize is that a true patch holder of ANY MC will never 'give up' all the details of their club or how most any club really operates. Not going to happen! There may be 'technical advisors' but what you are seeing is about as in-depth as it will get - in regards to the inner workings of how a REAL MC operates. In other words, the skeleton or foundation (meetings, loyalty, clubhouse, culture of family/women, running drugs/guns/women) is going to be accurate, the rest is 'artistic license.' My ex-H was a Vago. This is all you're getting out of me! SassyPrncess (talk) 20:54, 12 September 2008 (UTC) THIS IS NO HELL ANGELS AT ALL,LOOK MORE LIKE MONGOLS, —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.171.216.228 (talk) 02:25, 30 September 2008 (UTC) M.F.F.M

By the way, it's "Hells Angels." Not Hell's, nor Hell, nor Angeles. It's Hells Angels!!! SupermanML (talk) 02:28, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Ok to clarify this discussion regarding who is who and which actual 3 patch clubs are being used to compare and model after. It is stated that the "Members of the Messengers of Recovery, a clean and sober group, and the Vagos are either part of the cast or help with technical issues" Per the Thunder Press West Coast Edition August 2008 page 40, written by Jack Ryan. There is no mention in the article of HA's. 72FRANKEE (talk) 05:23, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

The Sons of Anarchy seem totally fictional to me, but the Mayans are blatantly based on the Mongols and the True IRA are based on the Real IRA. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.212.179.61 (talk) 14:10, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

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To clear all of this up once and for all: One of the technical advisors, before he was murdered, was the ex-president of the HA Frisco Charter (Mark "Papa" Guardado). David Labrava (who plays Happy) is a Hells Angel from a California charter. This has been mentioned many times in the media. There are a few reasons why "SAMCRO" differs in many aspects to a real 1% club: fiction/creative license/television marketability.

Womenfolk?

Why are the women in Sons of Anarchy being referred to as "Womenfolk"? Has that word ("Womenfolk") been officially used by the show? If not, it seems like it should be changed to something more neutral. Tedder (talk) 05:21, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

The only other semi-notable place that the phrase "womenfolk" appears in conjunction with the show is at http://www.fansofrealitytv.com/forums/non-reality-shows/78237-sons-anarchy.html and they've merely copied the cast list from the Wikipedia article. Simply put, I'd agree that something more neutral is appropriate. SupermanML (talk) 18:51, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

I changed it. If anyone disagrees, please post a decent reason here. Tedder (talk) 05:23, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

I have watched every episode as of October 8, 2008, and I have never heard the term "womenfolk" used in SOA (only the term "old lady"). If I'm wrong, please let me know...otherwise, I have no problem with stating a more neutral heading for the women of the show. wolvesnthemist (talk) 13:08, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

So perhaps the section should be changed to "Old Ladies?" Just kidding! Tedder, the change is an improvement indeed. SupermanML (talk) 19:22, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Instead of "Womenfolk", which I have never heard used in the show, perhaps it should be "Ol' Ladies" which is commonly used to refer to women in an MC. I have heard that used on this particular show from time to time. Puggylj (talk) 20:41, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Opie's surname

I changed it again now. Opie's surname is LERNER not WINSTON! Check on the FX homepage if you don't believe me. --77.118.142.160 (talk) 11:04, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

More about "Half-Sack"

To show how attached that "Half-Sack" is to Cherry, I was thinking of mentioning that he ended up winning a match that he was supposed to "throw", after seeing Cherry kiss Clay on the cheek in the audience (though for a good reason). Would this be unnecessary? wolvesnthemist (talk) 05:55, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Actually, we might need to cut back that entire section: wiki TV: style guidelines on show casts. Tedder (talk) 06:12, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Theme Song

It was incorrectly listed as "Dreams we left behind" by primal scream. Not only is this NOT the theme song, it isn't even a Primal Scream song. It is performed by a band called Pedestrian. The promotional company is called PrimalScreamMusic which is probably where the confusion occurred. Nevertheless, the song is not the opening theme song. "Dreams we left Behind" was featured in internet promos, the website and commercial promos however.

I cannot find the title of the actual theme song. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.29.59.103 (talk) 04:14, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

according to the SOA official site by FX the themesong was written for the show and they are in the process of recording a full version(longer the the 37 seconds used thusfar) for release, it also lists the names of those involved in it and i believe it is called "This Life". all this information can be found in the production blog76.27.241.97 (talk) 20:39, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Missing Episodes

The episode Fun Town is missing from nearly all internet sources. It has been removed from the Sons of Anarchy webpage and then subsequently removed from other internet sources. Does anyone know where a script, or the episode can be found? Any word why it has been removed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.185.187.209 (talk) 21:22, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

cast listings

WikiProject: Television states:

Remember to follow the notability guidelines when creating a cast list: Not every fictional character ever created deserves to be listed and even fewer will deserve an individual article. For the main article of a series, it may be appropriate to split up the cast listing by "Main characters" and "Recurring characters". (...) When organizing the cast section, please keep in mind that "main" cast status is determined by the series producers, not by popularity or screen time. Furthermore, articles should reflect the entire history of a series, and as such actors remain on the list even after their departure from the series.

There are some great suggestions for how the characters should be listed. In any case, I believe we need to de-emphasize this list. Tedder (talk) 22:49, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

10 pm - but what time zone?

The article states Season 2 will premiere September 8 at 10pm, but it does not state what time zone. It's an important detail! I am thinking it must be EST? 24.107.137.117 (talk) 21:32, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Kinda late but I am in EST and SoA shows on FX channel Tues at 10:00pm, and usually repeats at 11:pm and 1:00am and again on Saturday. The Sat rerun episode listing in my cable channel service is usually one week off (it described the reun w the summary of next week's ep.) Naaman Brown (talk) 12:14, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

I believe it is 10pm your local time for cable, so it is definitely not an important detail. It is not broadcasted nationally live or anything. 71.139.183.70 (talk) 07:13, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Insert Reception and keep it in the article

Please can someone insert a RECEPTION section. It seems, the show creator is editing this page and removing all negitive feedback the show has gotten. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Galaxiehoon (talk • contribs) 07:06, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Season 2 summary

I re-wrote a large portion the Season 2 summary. Instead of a summary, it seemed to become just a partial recap of each episode. A lot of it seemed clumsily written and had to be hard for someone who wasn't already watching the show to understand. Characters would be named without any sort of indentification as to who they were and scenerios would be described without any sort of context about why they were important.The Civilized Worm (talk) 15:55, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Notability of "International broadcasters" section

I seriously question the notability of the "International Broadcast" section. I'm going to say it is not recommended and delete it but I'm not going to get into a revert war about it, hopefully the editors who do the most work on this article will decide if it is something they want to allow.

I've looked at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Television/Style_guidelines and it doesn't mention anything about an international broadcast sections anywhere at all in the article. I looked at several well established articles mentioned on the project television guidelines. Prison_Break#Distribution does provide some information but certainly does not have a flat list of International broadcasters.

Wikipedia is not TV Guide, and WP:NOTNEWS. In the better television articles Networks are rarely mentioned except for special big contract deals or if show moves network. This is the English language wikipedia, do the countries listed even broadcast the show in English? I know Germany dubs most programmes into German.

I can see how the information is useful to readers but just is not something a good encyclopedia would include, if nothing else it is too hard to verify if the information is still correct. -- Horkana (talk) 05:59, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Kenny Johnson

I added Kenny johnson in the cast section, he made an appearance in episode 12. His character seems to have history with Tigs, I dont know if his character would have a continuing arc on the series during the next season. If anyone thinks that it might have been just a guest spot, then please feel free to remove his name from the cast section.

Episode Guide

I have the info for the music used in Season 2, I am wondering if I should create an episode guide for all episodes from the info compiled from the FX Series page or a separate section for just the music from the second season alone. Any thoughts?Theo10011 (talk) 19:44, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Mayberry

The writers are also having a subtle bit of fun based on their apparent high regard for the old Mayberry televission show. This is shown through overt references such as the nickname Opie for one of the gang members, having the local barber named Floyd, and the local authority figure being Andy Taylor like as in displaying down home common sense and loyalty. There are also occasional references to Mayberry as when the DEA agent says something to the effect that "if there is a war between the SOA and LOAN, the town of Cahrming won't be Mayberry" anymore.₰₮₪ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.231.130.2 (talk) 18:53, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

nice find there, I overlooked all the references. can you find a link to it, so it could be mentioned on the wiki.Theo10011 (talk) 06:46, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

I am not that savvy technically speaking. I can say that most of the references were from the first season - my wife purchased the set and we watched over a three day period. In doing that, the references jumped out at you. It was like being one of a handful that are sharing an inside joke.

"Sons of Anarchy MC" The MC-stands for Motorcycle Club not Motorcycle Gang

I have noticed on the Sons of Anarchy free encyclopedia information that it starts out talking about the show as a family then they get into the closeness off the Motorcycle Club and its unity. But as it gets going it starts to call it a Motorcycle Gang then latter it just classifies it as a Gang. Then down below the External links SOA-MC is listed in the section of Gangs and below that in the Gang leaders section there is a SOA-MC member who is listed as one of the Gangs leaders. Many times in the T.V. show they have been called Ganges and have taken great offense to this "stigma". Even the young Doctor who is living with Jax gets a raised eye brow from one of her coworkers as she mentions about her time spent with the Motorcycle "Gang" and the young Doctor in a clumsy uneasy way is quick to correct her coworker that it is a Motorcycle Club not a Gang. MC's in real life take great offense to this. Which is one reason why the writer makes an issue on the show about the word Motorcycle Club and Motorcycle Gang, because in real life a person can and will get put in the Hospital if they get the two words crossed up. And with good reason. Because of the The RICO Act-Definition of the RICO ACT is short for Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act, it was enacted by the Organized Crime Control Act of 1970. Its main purpose is to give extended penalties in the prosecution of organized criminal acts, and was targeted at the mob although it has since then been used in cases including police departments and gang activity. To be found guilty of racketeering under the RICO act, a person must have committed two of 35 crimes-27 federal crimes and 8 state crimes-within a 10-year period. Prosecution under the RICO act also allows for a civil suit component, with damage penalties tripled if found guilty. If found guilty, the defendant or defendants must also forfeit all gains made from the illicit activities.

Which means if SOA-MC is based on the size and membership and power as the Hells Angels MC around the world and they were all the sudden stuck to the words "Gang Activates" then hit with the RICO ACT they would become like the Nazi's at the end of the war. They went from the largest and the best to nothing with a stroke of a pen. With one difference. The NAZI PARTY can still wave there flags where there uniforms and can still become voted again as a party of the German Government. Where as Hells Angels MC "AKA" SOA-MC would loose all there chapters all there lands cars motorcycles motorcycle garage Shops and all there tools tow trucks and warehouses and adult entertainment money and for ever the United States Patent and Trademark Office would own there logo and colors and would for ever be considered a Motorcycle "GANG" that got shut down. Which in real life to a MC it is the two most disrespectful disgraceful things that could happen. They could loose every thing they own and go to prison but to be put down in the books as a "GANG" and loose there colors and logo to the Government many would rather die before this kind of dishonor. And the Feds know it and it is one of the Feds most coveted battles that they want to win. But MC's can thank the same Government that loathes them so much because they are protected by the same freedoms and laws that try and try to shut them down. It all ways comes down to this in court. Just because this club is dong this and that does not mean that the other club is doing it too. It's amazing how one small regular guy could come up with a way to make it all work. Thanks Sunny. It is of my opinion no matter how you see it even if it is still just a T.V Show. Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia should still (when writing about the story telling people the basics of what the show is about )I still believe they should respect every aspect of the original writers view. 75.66.30.166 (talk) 17:41, 11 December 2009 (UTC)