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Why is Russia not marked as "under a dictatorship"?

Belarus is marked like this, but why not Russia? 85.115.248.233 (talk) 02:35, 7 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia content is based on what is found in reliable sources. If you have such sources declaring that Russia is under a dictatorship, you are welcome to add such content. But do read what's behind that link carefully, to be sure that your sources ARE reliable. HiLo48 (talk) 22:37, 7 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It's no longer considered a democracy by international watchdogs and they jailed the leader of the official opposition. I'm not sure if dictatorship is the best signifier - perhaps someone more specialized with relevant research material may wish to interject? It's very obviously no longer a constitutional republic in the sense that it claimed to be 10+ years ago. I think this is something that should be re-visited carefully and urgently.--107.190.3.177 (talk) 05:30, 23 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It is not a dictatorship because most Russians support Putin or his allied parties. A tiny urban elite is against Putin, but that is in a country wherein Stalin is still being considered a great leader by many. Or, if they think lowly of Stalin, they still support Russian imperialism. Gorbachev and Yeltsin might be regarded as heroes in the West, but rank-and-file Russians regard them as weak, impotent leaders. tgeorgescu (talk) 06:15, 23 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Level of support is not a determinator of dictatorship or not, even if it is accurately gauged. Anyway, I believe most academics in the field will say the RF has an authoritarian government, not a dictatorship currently. Sorry I don’t have a reference at hand. —Michael Z. 15:17, 23 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
After the crackdown on speech in the last two weeks, this may well be reevaluated. —Michael Z. 16:05, 12 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Russia is a defacto dictatorship. I dont understand why this article follows Putin's propaganda and suggests in the infobox that it is a democracy.
"Government Federal semi-presidential constitutional republic[5]"
In the German Wikipedia it says in the infobox: "De jure semi-presidential republic (federal republic), de facto defective democracy with autocratic to despotic features", which is much more accurate. The Ukraine gets a lot of support nowadays but not from the English Wikipedia, which prefers to stick with Putin's propaganda. Nulli (talk) 10:24, 1 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It is "more accurate" only as a description of appearances, because Russia apparently holds elections whose outcome is predetermined (according to the U.S. State Department). But de facto, as is clear to anyone who has closely followed the news in 2022, it is most definitely a dictatorship. 2601:200:C000:1A0:6175:949A:164C:2C34 (talk) 22:36, 7 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There are no reliable sources claiming Russia is a dictatorship. It is an authoritarian democracy. Also supporting Ukraine or Russia shouldn't affect the articles. Wikipedia has a neutral point of view on everything. Just because you support Ukraine you should not mark Russia as a dictatorship. Bilikon (talk) 10:25, 12 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Authoritarian democracy is an oxymoron. Russia is a dictatorship. Politicians are no longer democratically elected, dissidents are jailed.Wikijules29 (talk) 15:37, 12 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Wikijules29: You might want to read illiberal democracy.
And I'll tell you what is the problem with such tyrants: they organize a well-oiled propaganda machine (ideology vs. reality conflict). And then they get seduced by their own propaganda machine. tgeorgescu (talk) 21:44, 12 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Reliable source subtitled: Vladimir Putin’s dictatorship and an academic source Chidgk1 (talk) 12:22, 13 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

currently described as a centralized authoritarian state....."Authoritarian regimes may be either autocratic or oligarchic in nature and may be based upon the rule of a party or the military".....pls review Håvard Bækken (2019). Law and Power in Russia: Making Sense of Quasi-Legal Practices. University of Oslo - Norwegian Institute for Defence Studies. pp. 64–. ISBN 978-1-351-33535-5.Moxy- 03:32, 14 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If you look at the wikipedia page anocracy you'll find a map that shows Russia is an anocracy (meaning partly democratic and partly authoritarian). 87.21.116.135 (talk) 11:19, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If Wikipedia were infallible, then you would have a good point. 2601:200:C000:1A0:6175:949A:164C:2C34 (talk) 22:38, 7 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Possibly false claim about becoming large wine producer

“ Wine has become increasingly popular in Russia in the 21st century, as the country is becoming one of the world's largest wine producers.” — I don’t think the cited source has any evidence on this. Furthermore, cited source is based on an interview with a top-level Russian propaganda figure (Dmitry Kiselyov), so I would take everything he says with a grain of salt. 185.165.160.153 (talk) 06:58, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Probably is false. In 2014 it was #14 in the List of wine-producing regions, with less than 10% of the top 4's volumes. I'll adjust. Johnbod (talk) 14:57, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I changed the source. Mspriz (talk) 19:33, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Out of several hundred countries, being in the top 14, makes you one of the largest in the world, by a large margin. 10% of the top 4's volume is a lot. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.239.195.102 (talk) 20:48, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Russian invasion of Australia

As russia is invading Australia we need to put a section in the article describing the Russian invasion of Australia.46.114.5.13 (talk) 22:55, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That would be World War 3. Do you have a source for it? tgeorgescu (talk) 23:39, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Lol what PatricioZavala (talk) 19:18, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: rejected by Theleekycauldron (talk) 21:55, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Protests in Petrograd (Saint Petersburg), March 1917.
Protests in Petrograd (Saint Petersburg), March 1917.
  • ... that the February Revolution of 1917 in Russia, named after the month February, actually took place during the month of March? Source: https://www.iwm.org.uk/history/what-was-the-february-revolution
    • Comment: I nominated Russia to GA status, and since the nomination passed, thought this would a nice fact. Since the revolution is widely known as the February Revolution, many, and arguably most people think it took place during February - although it took place in March.

Improved to Good Article status by Mspriz (talk). Self-nominated at 19:17, 2 February 2022 (UTC).[reply]


General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: Yes
  • Interesting: Yes
  • Other problems: No - x
Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.

QPQ: No - not needed
Overall: Mspriz Welcome to DYK and thank you for your remarkable work in bringing Russia to GA status. The article sure has some info for the DYK section but DYK has some other rules than GA and we should take our time. Further comments below.

Article is long enough, new enough and qpq is not needed. With Copyvio I assume good faith as the article seems to be too long for the earwig.

The fact of the hook is not mentioned in the article, the image is also not used. The image I guess can be helped with easily, how February and March can be included, I am not sure and I'll let you figure out. You can also suggest additional hooks.

Then each paragraph of the article should end with a source which sources the info mentioned above. I am sure there are sources within the article that potentially source each phrase, but we still need some more and I am sure you can help Wikipedia a bit.

  • In the post soviet era, the separatist islamist insurrections need an additional source. √
  • For the head of the Russian government according to the constitution we need a source. I found one that it is the head of the Government, but not according to the constitution. Maybe you could find one like this?
  • For the composition of the three branches of the government we would also need a source at the end of the paragraph. I guess the source above sources it, but it only sources the three branches, not their composition which is mentioned below. Best is to add a source for each point.
  1. In Human rights and corruption a source for the kleptocracy description of Russia would be good. A prominent one better. Kleptocracy Removed


I guess the block of the DYK nominator solves the issue? I have adapted the article a bit, sourced some phrases and added the image and the phrase needed for the DYK. The Government phrases are too much to find and I'd just approve them per AGF. But then the DYK would have to be approved by another reviewer as I am sort of a prominent editor of the hook:)Paradise Chronicle (talk) 10:06, 3 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Paradise Chronicle are you intending to adopt this then or should it be closed? CMD (talk) 00:15, 4 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I could nominate it for DYK. It's an interesting hook. Would I have to nominate it separately? I actually would have preferred a review credit. If you want to nominate yourself, go ahead.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 01:40, 4 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
This is an interesting factoid but I do not believe it's suitable for DYK. It is a bit of trivia that is certainly WP:UNDUE in the Russia article. (t · c) buidhe 05:01, 4 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Well, who wants to go against Buidhe's advice? I won't. Let's close it then.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 07:53, 4 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Closing then. CMD (talk) 08:34, 4 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I wonder if the nomination could be given another chance. It's not like our article on Russia would ever be eligible for DYK again given that it already reached GA status, and I'm sure there's plenty of material in the article that could be used as a hook, even if not necessarily the revolution angle that was originally proposed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:15, 4 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Well it might get delisted soon, in which case a relist would be eligible. CMD (talk) 17:31, 4 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I'm putting out a note at WT:DYK—we don't often get articles this widely viewed/important, we shouldn't pass this up. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 23:55, 4 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I see no problem with running that hook, aside from the fact that it's not presently in the article. – Muboshgu (talk) 02:43, 5 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The February Revolution hook is misleading – the revolution started in March according to the Gregorian calendar, but in February according to the Julian calendar, which was still used in Russia at the time. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 09:46, 5 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

From the article, "International Women's Day on March 8, gained momentum in Russia during the Soviet era. The annual celebration of women has become so popular, especially among Russian men, that Moscow's flower vendors often see profits of "15 times" more than other holidays.[1]"

References

  1. ^ "Russians splurge on flowers for International Women's Day". France 24. 7 March 2019. Retrieved 9 January 2022.

¨Vladimir Putin has shifted from autocracy to dictatorship¨

Source: https://www.economist.com/briefing/2021/11/13/vladimir-putin-has-shifted-from-autocracy-to-dictatorship

"Government type" is not NPOV

Russia does holds democratic elections and the majority of the people do vote for Putin and his party. I dont think its fair or neutral to start calling Russia an "autocracy" or "dictatorship" just because youre upset over the invasion of Ukraine. Nobody called the UK a "dictatorship" when they invaded Iraq. Western media sources can also be biased. 45.239.136.252 (talk) 16:42, 22 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Pro-Kremlin POV

This is just one of many articles on Russia that seem to convey a peculiar Kremlin POV, and it wouldn't be a surprise if Wikipedia articles weren't targeted as part of the Russian propaganda effort. The most recent example:

  • Mentioning at length technological advancements related to the space program but ignoring Gulag, deportations of millions of people and everything bad when summarising Soviet history; (which is comparable to mentioning Autobahn but not the Holocaust when summarising Nazi Germany's history)
  • mentioning victory in WWII but not mentioning the attack on Poland.

This is clearly historical negationism and reads very much like something the Kremlin would produce rather than an encyclopedic account of Soviet history.

It comes as no surpise that the same editor attempts to remove a necessary summary of Russia's invasion of Ukraine and resulting sanctions and global isolation.

In regard to the space program, it is well known to be based on technological developments outside Russia and a program to recruit a large number of German scientists. Here it was instead portrayed in a nationalist way as something Russians deserved sole credit for. If the space program is to be mentioned at all, the misleading Russian nationalist narrative is not really appropriate. --Tataral (talk) 00:57, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest not to start an edit war over controversial changes like painting the Soviet space program as mostly German work - why does this even belong in the lead? And it is not even mentioned in the body whatsoever. But sure, you can call long-standing content and the work of other editors as "reads like something the Kremlin would produce", that will go down well. Mellk (talk) 01:25, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Also how does "Soviet era saw some of the most significant technological achievements of the 20th century" translate to "something Russians deserved sole credit for"? Huh? Mellk (talk) 01:28, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Um, you edit-warred to remove Gulag, deportations, human rights abuses and even the invasion of Ukraine, to instead add a lengthy sentence on "the most significant technological achievements of the 20th century, including the world's first human-made satellite and the launching of the first human into space." This is undue in the lead, it's an inaccurate representation of how those technological advancements came about (in the sense that they weren't products solely of Soviet history, but of the efforts of several countries), but the most egregious issue here is how this supposed achievement is everything that is mentioned when summarising Soviet history, while enormous human rights abuses, deportations of millions of people, wars of aggression against Poland and other countries, are removed. It's like an article on Nazi Germany that just praised their technological advancements while ignoring atrocities and oppression entirely. This is not the first time we've seen this form of Russian propaganda and historical negationism in Wikipedia articles related to Russia. --Tataral (talk) 01:38, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
No, I undid your edit. I did not add that sentence about technological achievements, that has been there for many years. Then you decided to restore your changes again rather than following BRD. But you are trying to compare this article to that of Nazi Germany and making baseless accusations of Russian propaganda so things are already clear. Mellk (talk) 01:49, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I could see Gulag mentioned in one sentence. As for space program. ...Germans were the norm in both super powers....not lead worth. As for the slander....let's stop that now period.Moxy- 01:56, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
From what I can see, Tataral has already been alerted about discretionary sanctions not long ago and this isn't the first time such personal attacks have been made since then. So I ask her to cut it out. Mellk (talk) 02:07, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Funny that. You insist that the text here in the lead section that waters down/removes every possible criticism of Russia and the Soviet Union is not yours, but now feel offended when the text – correctly – is described as a highly inaccurate and negationist portrayal of Soviet history in line with its portrayal in Russian propaganda. --Tataral (talk) 02:47, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You were casting aspersions in your very first sentence, don't do that please. Mellk (talk) 03:20, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
OK let's get you to talk about content. The lead mentions human rights about Russia....the topic of this article. Moxy- 02:52, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The main problem here is the supposed summary of Soviet history that mentions a victory but omits their role in starting the war by invading Poland, and that goes on at length about technological achievements but omits deportations of millions of people, the Gulag and the human rights abuses, oppression and wars/occupations the Soviet Union was known for. That is what I mean when I describe the text as negationist. The article's topic is clearly the entirety of Russia and its history, not just the history after the Cold War. --Tataral (talk) 02:55, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see the poland invasion as lead worthy....nor does any scholar agree that it was the start of ww2. Moxy- 03:02, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps, because of this victory, USSR became recognised as a superpower and RF inherited from USSR. For example permanent seat at UNSC. Or we could mention all invasions (Afghanisation, Hungary, Czechoslovakia etc), purges, Germans behind the space program, Holodomor, deportations, dekulakisation, Katyn massacre, anti-religious campaigns, famines, Gulag, Chernobyl, red terror, and so on, for sake of bashing. Mellk (talk) 03:09, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Though really, it is not supposed to be a summary of Soviet history. But I do not think the current version is ideal either. Mellk (talk) 03:11, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I have to agree something is missing there in the lead. The intro makes it look like everything was peachy in Russia and the USSR throughout the twentieth century until the first-ever glitch of “backsliding” later. There ought to be a at least a nod to the fact that communist ideology led to some of the most infamous and massive human-rights abuses in world history. And this has left a major legacy over the Russian Federation and much of Eurasia and influenced the current war. —Michael Z. 03:00, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Let's say something like..The Gulag labour camp system was expanded in this period. Stalin also fomented political paranoia and conducted the Great Purge.... this way we're linking to articles that going to detail. Moxy- 03:08, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Looks out of place to me. The mention of technological achievements makes sense to me, since there is an entire section on science and technology including space exploration. Mellk (talk) 03:26, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I have tried the following ....think it fits well...Following the Russian Revolution, the Russian SFSR became the largest and the principal constituent of the Soviet Union, the world's first constitutionally socialist state.The Gulag labour camp system was implemented during this period and the Great Purge took place to solidify power..... Moxy- 03:41, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I think it would be best to be bit more general, so mention industrialisation and the costs that came with it. Now that I think about it, if we were to expand this paragraph, industrialisation is absolutely needed as well. Something like transformation into industrialised nation but at the cost of millions of lives, maybe Soviet Union lead has something for inspiration. Kind regards. Mellk (talk) 03:47, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I think industrialization and economic recovery is implied by them becoming a superpower. Moxy- 03:53, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Industrialisation was mainly during 1930s and was major factor in being able to defeat Germans. It wasn't until after WWII it was recognised as a superpower (at this point there was still economic devastation and another famine). I mentioned as the rapid industrialisation is one of the main important topics in Soviet history (idea of from agrarian to industrial powerhouse in few years). Mellk (talk) 04:03, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Lets add something simple with a good link. A New Economic Policy resulted in a period of industrialization. Moxy- 04:12, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
NEP was Lenin's. Stalin reversed this and launched the five year plans and collectivisation. Mellk (talk) 04:14, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I made the attempt, with it being more general since Great Purge and Gulag specifically do not cover the other millions of lives lost such as in the famine. What are your thoughts? Mellk (talk) 04:11, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Looks OK ....I added a link to the 2 eras about deaths. Moxy- 04:39, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I changed it to Excess mortality in the Soviet Union under Joseph Stalin as there is a dedicated article, or do you think the original link is best? Thanks. Mellk (talk) 04:42, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I don’t understand why zero in on the Gulag and the Great Purge with a microscope. These are specific results of much larger things. The Soviet Union was an ideological totalitarian empire that instituted state terror, committed ethnic cleansings and mass killings, murdered millions of its own citizens, supported Hitler in starting the Second World War, spawned communist China and North Korea, and captured a hegemony over Eastern Europe, all in the name of communism. Surely a few words to inform the reader by referring to the gist of this are in order in the lead. —Michael Z. 14:49, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

State terror in Russia long predates Soviet Union, tbh. Mellk (talk) 16:44, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The article is not about the Soviet Union. IMO it gives undue weight to go into detail on the history of the Soviet Union in the lead. (t · c) buidhe 22:15, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Why Is There No "War With Ukrain" (Or Something Like That) Section?

I think There Should Really be A Section Talking About The Russia And Ukraine Situation Right now , Because It Should Also Be Stated here And Not Only On The Ukraine Article.Rugoconites Tenuirugosus (talk) 17:12, 1 April 2022 (UTC)User:Rugoconites_Tenuirugosus[reply]

Russia#Putin era.--Moxy- 17:37, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Amended section title. Zach (Talk) 12:58, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Quick note Zacharie Grossen (if you weren't aware) - as this is a major page, and likely has a lot of links to it, it's usually best to use {{Anchor}} when changing section header names, so that incoming links aren't broken. :) Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 13:12, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, thanks for the suggestion. Zach (Talk) 14:05, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"Russia and Ukraine situation" Should probably be the title for the section itself Rugoconites Tenuirugosus (talk) 08:14, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I know right. I think it should be added maybe not right now but it should be definitely added. PatricioZavala (talk) 19:18, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 2 April 2022

A few months after 2022 Russia started a war on Ukraine for oil 82.16.48.121 (talk) 21:04, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 21:13, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Some changes suggested

Sport section needs a sentence about FIFA's recent suspension of Russia's national teams and clubs, barring them from all competitions, due to the war. Thesickreservoir (talk) 12:15, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There is no mention of how Russia invaded Georgia in 2008 in the Putin-era section. I find that a bit absurd. The war was the first that took place in Europe in the 21st century. Thesickreservoir (talk) 13:09, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Naczi reborn in 2022.

After starting a war in Ukraine, this country should be marked as new Naczi regime in 2022. What they did in Ukraine is not someone should forget. 89.10.159.43 (talk) 19:48, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I am not condoning the actions of Russia but,the Russian government is not Nazi in any way. But the Russian government is definitely not a democracy and is more Authoritarian. It is extremely Authoritarian, which may become Totalitarian. PatricioZavala (talk) 20:15, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

'Consolidated Authoritarian regime' according to Freedom House. It is more than 'more Authoritarian'.
'not Nazi in any way'?

Xx236 (talk) 13:22, 10 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 5 April 2022

My request is to add the following open access journal to the Further reading section:

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit extended-protected}} template. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 19:41, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 22 April 2022

Add Chechen Republic to preceded by with the year "2000" Loganp23 (talk) 03:45, 22 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ASUKITE 15:59, 26 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ivan IV (the "Terrible")

The description of his rules is imperialistically biased. He was cruel (oprychnina) and destroyed Novgorod democracy. Xx236 (talk) 12:41, 11 May 2022 (UTC) The book Skrynnikov, R. G. (2015). Reign of Terror: Ivan IV is quoted ignoring anything about the terror "In 1572, an invading army of Crimean Tatars were thoroughly defeated in the crucial Battle of Molodi". sSuch information is available probably in any basic history, the book is about the terror.Xx236 (talk) 05:36, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Russia spent about 1% of its GDP on research and development

Is it many or not? How many of the research and development belongs to military industry? The Russia's Silicon Valley deserves mentioning, Russia decided stay underdeveloped. https://foreignpolicy.com/2015/05/06/the-short-life-and-speedy-death-of-russias-silicon-valley-medvedev-go-russia-skolkovo/ Xx236 (talk) 12:46, 11 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Human rights and corruption

Rights of Russian soldiers should be mentioned. The Committee of Soldiers’ Mothers of Russia (CSMR) https://rightlivelihood.org/the-change-makers/find-a-laureate/the-committee-of-soldiers-mothers-of-russia-csmr/ controlled the army, now it does not any more.Xx236 (talk) 12:51, 11 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Religion

The section does not explain integration of the government and Orthodox church.Xx236 (talk) 13:11, 11 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Update economic statistics

Maybe update economy stats in infobox. New data by IMF in april 2022: [5] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stuntneare (talk • contribs) 14:39, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Done. Mellk (talk) 01:25, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Russia is not Rus

Hi, user:Mellk, this edit restores a false implication made by the successive sentences. The series lists the East Slavs, Kyivan Rus, the Duchy of Moscow, and without defining it, simply continues with “Russia had vastly expanded,” equating the four. Historians tell us that Russia is not Rus. So we can’t mislead the reader to imply it is, or tiptoe around what is Russia. Needs rewording. —Michael Z. 23:02, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Mzajac: hello, I do not really see Muscovy as being equated to the East Slavs etc here, especially with "among its principalities", but I removed it as the "first" "Russian" state is not mentioned in the article and there isn't really a straightforward answer to that. But to improve, I suppose Tsardom of Russia can be mentioned and so we have the first entity known as "Russia". Let me know if that is better. Thanks. Mellk (talk) 23:15, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
That doesn’t seem sufficient to distinguish them. An alternative might be to define Kyivan Rus as the precursor of Belarusian, Russian, and Ukrainian nations. Or if the identity of Russian lands were more clearly outlined. —Michael Z. 23:24, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
What about referring to Kievan Rus' as the first East Slavic state? It seems to often be referred as such [6][7] and supported by the body. Mellk (talk) 23:29, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Well that is fine, but doesn’t dispel the possible impression that East Slav is synonymous with Russian, or that Russia is the sole inheritor of Rus. It might be informative and directly relevant to this subject if “among its principalities” were expanded to list the ones that were to become part of the Russian national identity. —Michael Z. 01:21, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
What do you suggest for expanding the part about the different principalities? I think the problem is for it to not become too long/detailed. Mellk (talk) 02:04, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Well then how about just clearly stating that Russia is not Rus? —Michael Z. 04:17, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Calling it the first East Slavic state is not sufficient? I don't see the issue here, it's not like it's called the first Russian state here. I am not sure what you would consider acceptable by clearly stating that Russia is not Rus that would be written in an encyclopaedic way. Mellk (talk) 00:01, 26 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 25 May 2022

Asdrtf (talk) 15:23, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]



I would like to ask for edit because i have found fauls info
 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. CMD (talk) 16:08, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Russia a terrorist country

9 may 2022 Lithuania's parliament has designated Russia a terrorist country and its actions in Ukraine as genocide. Cite error: There are <ref> tags on this page without content in them (see the help page).https://e-seimas.lrs.lt/portal/legalAct/lt/TAP/7ccfdcc0cf8511ecb69ea7b9ba9d787b https://www.npr.org/2022/05/10/1097911440/lithuania-russia-terrorism-genocide-ukraine?t=1653761441335 — Preceding unsigned comment added by DariusMar (talk • contribs) 18:12, 28 May 2022 (UTC) DariusMar (talk) 21:00, 28 May 2022 (UTC)Darius[reply]

This is not the Lithuanian government's encyclopedia, nor the Russian government's encyclopedia. It doesn't matter what a bunch of partisan politicians say. Political statements alone do not change facts. The Impartial Truth (talk) 22:31, 16 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You're absolutely right, of course, that political statements do not change facts. But it does seem to me that if the Southern Poverty Law Center declared Russia to be a hate group, that point would be in the first or second paragraph. Uporządnicki (talk) 14:04, 17 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The Southern Poverty Law Center is a partisan special interest group that is funded nearly entirely by one political party in the US. They are even less of a reliable source than a politician. You must be sure what you cite does not argue from a conclusion but instead towards one. The Impartial Truth (talk) 19:12, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I quite agree! And how many articles in Wikipedia say that the SPLC lists this or that organization as a hate group! Uporządnicki (talk) 21:08, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Add Russian invasion of Ukraine, 2022, to the lead

It's a major event that warrants being mentioned in the 'history of' in the lead. Arguably it's as important as the events such as constitutional crisis of 1993 which we do mention. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:56, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

They have done this many t times since the 1990 like Georgian war-Chechen War- etc.. .....so lets say something like has taken military action against Post-Soviet states including ......Moxy- 12:04, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • (edit conflict) One of these led to the restructuring of the national government. If that's where Ukraine end up going, then sure. Otherwise, I don't see any reason to treat it different than the Chechen Wars. GMGtalk 12:09, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support It definitely belongs in the lead, and it is fundamentally different and more significant than the other events named above (not that they were insignificant). It is an international conflict. It includes the first annexation in Europe since WWII and alleged goals have included régime change in an independent state and total occupation of the biggest country inside Europe. The strength of forces and geographical scope are an order of magnitude larger than those conflicts, actually the biggest European conflict since WWII. The response has been massive military aid to Ukraine and international isolation of Russia, and results include unprecedented military losses and economic damage. Russian actions have already been classified as genocidal.[8] —Michael Z. 18:51, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment The lead is already overbalanced with history, failing MOS:LEADNO. It doesn't really mention anything on culture or geography and barely touches on the other section headers. I would be happy with a mention along the lines of Moxy and a general reduction of the two paragraphs into one summarizing the history. Aircorn (talk) 22:25, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose It's classic recentism, and almost certainly an attempt to highlight how evil Russia is. HiLo48 (talk) 04:32, 3 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Regarding “recentism,” in terms of European wars this one already overshadows anything else of the last 77 years, including the state’s thirty-year existence. Its historical significance is on the scale of the fall of the Soviet Union that created the Russian and Ukrainian states, and existential for the second-largest state in Europe. Russia's international aggression is at least as important as its democratic backsliding and authoritarianism mentioned in the lead, and the direct consequence of them. Regarding “evil,” please do reread that guideline and tell us how it relates to reporting a top act of international aggression since WWII. —Michael Z. 18:07, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Per others above definitely undue, and we probably shouldn't have the constitutional crisis of 1993 there either. CMD (talk) 05:33, 3 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support mentioning in the lead. taken military action - that's quite the euphemism for a country invading two small neighboring countries, installing a puppet regime in one of them, and now invading and waging a prolonged war against a large neighboring country, including committing documented war crimes. Space4Time3Continuum2x (talk) 18:05, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Too recent. Stuntneare (talk) 21:32, 7 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support A country actively committing genocide becomes the single most important piece of information, worthy of note above all else. Colinmcdermott (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 10:56, 11 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

So that is two for oppose, 3 for support. Let's move forward and construct a suitable piece of text that describes this. Colinmcdermott (talk) 11:56, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Expulsion from Council of Europe in lead section

Right now, I’m of the opinion that since the expulsion “event” isn’t notable enough in its own right for a stand-alone WP article, that it isn’t notable enough to be in the lead section. (The existing piped link for the expulsion leads to a section of a broader article)

My questioning is rooted in two key grounds:

I’m opening to re-considering my perspective in light of new information. I also briefly skimmed across the titles of the talk page threads and didn’t find anything about the matter, so if it’s already been concensused via full discussion, then I’m on board. But please link me to the relevant discussion if possible.

I’d like to know what the general pulse is out here about it, and if there is none, this thread can reveal it.

Thanks everyone Mrbeastmodeallday (talk) 02:17, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The way it entered the lead was likely not through recentism or bias, but path dependence from prior text. That said, removal makes sense. CMD (talk) 02:30, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Agree. Moxy- 02:33, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Chipmunkdavis: ok the path dependence thing makes total sense, hadn’t thought of that before, thanks for informing me! Mrbeastmodeallday (talk) 02:51, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Moxy: you agree with Chipmunkdavis about both path dependence and removal? Or only path dependence? Mrbeastmodeallday (talk) 02:51, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Both this month's additions to the lead removed. As per no consensus seen here aND above. As a GA article we have multiple editors here that cite WP:OWN#Featured articles. Moxy- 02:59, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Moxy: Recently user added a sentence to the lead with wrong grammar. Stuntneare (talk) 21:24, 7 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
pls elaborate. Moxy- 21:25, 7 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Moxy: A sentence about Russia's rank on the Transparency International Corruption perception index has been added to the lead on 6 June, but the sentence is worded incorrectly. And is positioned weirdly as well. Stuntneare (talk) 21:31, 7 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
 Fixed as per this edit... and edit summary Moxy- 22:18, 7 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 9 June 2022

Change the subtitle of "Soviet Union" to "The Soviet Union" Sxtay calm (talk) 01:15, 9 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: Per WP:THE (which applies to article titles, so I think it can likely be extended as guidance for section names), definite articles are usually avoided. Country names are given as examples of when not to use "the" in a title:
― Tartan357 Talk 04:33, 9 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Largest exporter of wheat

In the agriculture section, its disputed that Russia is the world's largest exporter of wheat... despite newer sources still mentioning how it is so, and that it accounts for more than 18% of the international exports.[1][2] The tag should be removed. Also, there is an error after the last sentence, the number "20" is written for no reason. Stuntneare (talk) 11:25, 12 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Source added from your source and lost 20  Fixed Moxy- 14:49, 12 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Moxy: In the sports section, the sentence about the Russian Grand Prix is tagged for no reason, but it needs to be updated. The Russian Grand Prix was indeed held at the Sochi Autodrom, but its contract got terminated by F1 in wake of the invasion.[3] There should be a sentence for the 2022 suspension of Russian national teams and clubs from international soccer competitions by FIFA and UEFA in the first para.[4]
And in the demographics section, the word "multinational state" is tagged, but why exactly? Russia is a multinational state, and the source backs the statement. And in the economy section, a source from CIA World Factbook is tagged as being "old". The data in the source is from 2017, but I cannot find any new sources. Most country articles on Wikipedia use The World Factbook as a source, so I do not think tagging it would be appropriate. Stuntneare (talk) 18:56, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Stuntneare: If you hover over the tags you will see the reasons I added them - as nothing to do with wheat I will not detail here Chidgk1 (talk) 15:18, 17 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Chidgk1: I couldn't find any newer sources for the sectors of the economy. Stuntneare (talk) 12:35, 24 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
My tags are nothing to do with wheat. If you want to discuss them please could you start a new talk page section otherwise everyone will get confused. Thanks Chidgk1 (talk) 17:39, 24 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "Infographic: Russia, Ukraine and the global wheat supply". Al Jazeera. 17 February 2022. Retrieved 12 June 2022. Russia is the world's largest exporter of wheat, accounting for more than 18 percent of international exports.
  2. ^ Swanson, Ana (24 February 2022). "Ukraine Invasion Threatens Global Wheat Supply". The New York Times. Retrieved 12 June 2022. Russia, the world's largest wheat exporter...
  3. ^ Benson, Andrew (3 March 2022). "Formula 1 terminates contract with Russian Grand Prix". BBC. Retrieved 13 June 2022.
  4. ^ Brito, Christopher (28 February 2022). "FIFA and UEFA suspend Russian national teams and clubs from all competitions "until further notice"". CBS News. Retrieved 13 June 2022.

Mistake

Russia has not been formed since the times of Kievan Rus'. There are only some territories there, but it is not directly related now 185.115.37.228 (talk) 14:26, 18 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Agriculture and fishery

Wheat in Tomsk Oblast, Siberia. Russia, along with Ukraine, is often referred to as the "breadbasket" of Europe, due to its rich, fertile soil. Russia and Ukraine, together, account for 29% of global wheat exports, 80% of the sunflower oil, and 40% of its barley exports.[1]

The agriculture and fishery section has no image attached to it, so it looks a little empty. How about adding this image with this caption? Would be a nice addition. Stuntneare (talk) 12:18, 24 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  1. ^ "System Shock: Russia's War and Global Food, Energy, and Mineral Supply Chains". Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars. Washington, D.C. 13 April 2022. Retrieved 24 June 2022. Together, Russia and Ukraine—sometimes referred to as the breadbasket of Europe—account for 29% of global wheat exports, 80% of the world's sunflower oil, and 40% of its barley.
I have added the image here, but without the caption, as while there seems to be space for the image itself, the caption was long enough to substantially increase the vertical space taken. If the content is that significant, it should probably be worked into the actual body. CMD (talk) 06:49, 25 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Chipmunkdavis: The data is important and should be added to the main para itself. Stuntneare (talk) 18:09, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Changes?

@Chidgk1: You tagged a sentence in the Agriculture section, asking for quotes for verification, here's two:

"Across Eastern Russia, wild forests, swamps and grasslands are slowly being transformed into orderly grids of soybeans, corn and wheat. It’s a process that is likely to accelerate: Russia hopes to seize on the warming temperatures and longer growing seasons brought by climate change to refashion itself as one of the planet’s largest producers of food."

"Around the world, climate change is becoming an epochal crisis, a nightmare of drought, desertification, flooding and unbearable heat, threatening to make vast regions less habitable and drive the greatest migration of refugees in history. But for a few nations, climate change will present an unparalleled opportunity, as the planet’s coldest regions become more temperate. There is plenty of reason to think that those places will also receive an extraordinary influx of people displaced from the hottest parts of the world as the climate warms. Human migration, historically, has been driven by the pursuit of prosperity even more so than it has by environmental strife. With climate change, prosperity and habitability — haven and economic opportunity — will soon become one and the same. And no country may be better positioned to capitalize on climate change than Russia. Russia has the largest land mass by far of any northern nation. It is positioned farther north than all of its South Asian neighbors, which collectively are home to the largest global population fending off displacement from rising seas, drought and an overheating climate." Stuntneare (talk) 20:12, 24 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ok thanks - the second is quite long so suggest you add the first in the “quote” parameter of the cite Chidgk1 (talk) 06:15, 25 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Inland waterways

In the transport and energy section; there's some wrong info. Russia's inland waterways aren't the second-largest, but the largest in the world, backed by the CIA source given. Stuntneare (talk) 18:04, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

done - thanks Chidgk1 (talk) 18:34, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Chidgk1: Some other data could be updated. In the economy section, its written that Russia is the twentieth-largest exporter and importer (2020); but according to newer data by the International Trade Centre in 2021, Russia is the thirteenth-largest exporter and the 21st-largest importer.[1][2]
  1. ^ "List of importing markets for the product exported by Russian Federation in 2021". International Trade Centre. Retrieved 27 June 2022.
  2. ^ "List of supplying markets for the product imported by Russian Federation in 2021". International Trade Centre. Retrieved 27 June 2022.

Terrorist state

RuZZia is a terrorist state, how much blood,deaths , terror it must show before the wiki is updated for what it is? 184.145.219.95 (talk) 19:08, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Neither your opinion, nor mine, is what determines how Russia is described in the encyclopedia. If you have a published, reliable source to cite that shows that Russia has been designated a terrorist state, please do; otherwise, this declaration will not be made in this Wikipedia article. General Ization Talk 19:10, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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