Talk:Kiss (band)

Old discussions archived

Seeing as the discussions on this page dated back to 2003, I felt it was time to archive them. Since no new discussions have been started this month, the first archive covers everything from the inception of the talk page through June 2007. Please add any new discussions here, but make sure to check the archive first to make sure that whatever you want to discuss/debate hasn't already been hashed out before. --cholmes75 ^{(chit chat)} 16:37, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Ace Frehley?

• I noticed that Ace Frehley was noted as being a current member of Kiss. Has he really re-joined, or is this simply a hoax? - Alterego269 21:30, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

All the sources I've seen say he declined an offer to rejoin. --clpo13 23:05, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Ace Frehley

I have not heard anything or read anything about Ace rejoining KISS. If this is not the case, it needs to be changed.

Genre

I demand that "heavy metal" is to be removed from the genres. Kiss is one of the lamest and weakest rock bands ever.fuck kiss--Gustav Lindwall 00:17, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

• Brilliant. --cholmes75 ^{(chit chat)} 00:25, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
• Was that sarcastic?--Gustav Lindwall 13:06, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia isn't based on personal opinion. It's built on verifiable references from reliable sources. There are over 100 reliable sources that label Kiss as a heavy metal band. I suppose if one could find over 200 that say that they weren't... then it could be added as an opposing position. But referenced content can't be removed from Wikipedia just because you don't agree with it. In fact, deleting content that is referenced is akin to vandalism and would likely see the culprit blocked for doing so. 156.34.223.115 20:59, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

I can certainly understand the notion of bands like Black Sabbath, Deep Purple and Kiss not really registering as "heavy" in the post-thrash era, but the press and legions of later musicians still agree that these groups pioneered the genre. - Cyrus XIII 21:20, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Black Sabbath is a 100% true-to-the-bone metal band. Deep Purple is a hard rock band and is occasionally heavy metal. Most people agree with this. However, anyone calling [1] heavy music is most possibly deaf. Oh and yes, I am now going to search the Internet for 101 reliable sources that claims that Kiss is a lame pop-rock band. Because they are and we can't have false information on Wikipedia, can we?--Gustav Lindwall 17:37, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

• Heard any other Kiss songs by chance? If so, it couldn't be left unnoticed that what you said about Deep Purple also applies for Kiss.  ITAL 19:23, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
• Kiss is more like pop rock, occasionally hard rock. But just for your sake, I'll go get the entire Kiss discography, listen to everything and then tell how much of it that was heavy (if I don't die in the progress).--Gustav Lindwall 12:18, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

And you'll be returning with a personal opinion based on original research and not verifiable content based on references taken from relaible sources. Enjoy your KISSathon. 156.34.221.221 12:31, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

• Okay screw it, seems like the Internet is full of morons calling them metal, but I can barely find any sources supporting my extremely righteous opinion about their pop-rockity. I'll just pretend that this article doesn't exsist and go listen to some Black Sabbath or Iron Maiden, or why not The Beatles (who're clearly much heavier than this shit). Enjoy zhe mhetal of yours, Kiss-fans.--Gustav Lindwall 13:07, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your thoughts and concerns(albeit incorrect/biased POV as it was) over the quality and content of this article. 142.167.80.111 13:25, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Well I thank you dearly in return. This article is wrong.--Gustav Lindwall 21:06, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

I don't suppose you have any actual authority for these claims you keep making? I mean genuine authority, such as a degree in music, or even being any sort of a musician, not merely your own personal opinion...FlaviaR 08:05, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

While I agree that they aren't metal, too many sources claim that they are, even if stuff like Iron Maiden and Black Sabbath are heavier. Kiss is really just a hard rock/glam rock band, but just there are hundreds of sources that claim they're metal. So it's pointless to argue. Stuff like Led Zeppelin, Bon Jovi, AC/DC, Van Halen, Aerosmith, Slipknot, and Deep Purple aren't metal either, but they're listed as metal for the same reason that Kiss is. If you don't like it, don't read it. Your biased statements and ignornace aren't going to contribute anything useful. —Preceding unsigned comment added by GrimReaper39614 (talk • contribs) 21:37, August 27, 2007 (UTC)

KISS is Heavy Metal, but they are not Glam Rock me and my friend keep changing it so ya keep your facts straight:@ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.47.175.195 (talk) 01:28, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

KISS is a hard rock band which has glam rock image. They are stated as glam rock in the glam rock article. So don't delete it from the infobox you idiot. -JNCooper —Preceding comment was added at 21:00, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

KISS is not glam rock check allmusicguide.com207.47.175.195 (talk) 03:14, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

I wouldn't call them Glam rock read the back insert of the reissue of their first album  its says the self-proclaimed "heavy-Metal masters" KISS decided to give them selfs a new image.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zakkman (talk • contribs) 17:52, 11 January 2008 (UTC) 

for every "strutter" there is an "unholy". some of their song are metal, some not. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tiefenja (talk • contribs) 00:06, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

i get what he is saying i think on wiki people get confused between genre and style when some songs of a band are one particular genre that song should be labeled that genre not the band being labeled that genre for particular song like say war machine and i love it loud are definetly metal but kiss only dabbled in metal and did not have a long strectch of like a heavy metal period of there career you could probaly count there metal songs on one hand,because bands play with many styles in there career,i mean they did a disco song should they be labeled as a disco act NO, for example i notice this with post grunge if a band puts out a song or two that is post grungish they(wiki editors) rush to label them as post grunge band when in reality most of there music is not post grunge,kiss at heart is a hard rock band and a glam metal band,they are hard rock because most of there music from the 70's sounded like hard rock ,glam metal because one ask any glam band from the 80's or early 90's who influenced there music they will always cite two band one will be van halen and second will be kiss and the fact that kiss was a glam metal band for many years from about 83-91 that is aprt of there genre so metal should be taken down as there genre and there genre should be glam metal and hard rock,and one more thing i just have to say that creatures of the night was the best album they ever did and eric carr was far superior to peter criss as a drummer--Wikiscribe (talk) 03:57, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Wow gustav is retarted KISS is hard rock proto-metal. Quite possibly the second greatest band ever, after the beatles, who pioneered all rock music. And KISS definatly isnt pop rock. You would have to be retarted to call them that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.124.166.2 (talk) 17:10, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Can we at least put "disco" in the genre list (e.g. "I was made for lovin' you") :-) haha 70.112.3.145 (talk) 16:16, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Kiss is not glam metal, that's an 80's thing. They are glam ROCK, like Alice cooper, or the new york dolls. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.149.223.196 (talk) 17:27, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Until you can get Paul Stanley to stop endorsing the glam metal label ("Obviously, the KISS frontman still rocks all night -- three and a half decades after his glam metal band formed") - I think we're gonna leave it as it was. Tan ǀ 39 17:38, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing that out dude Paul Stanley and Gene Simmons are my heroes they agree with me and they're in my fave band, KISS nor Alice Cooper are glam rock, and KISS is not motherfucking disco they are hard rock, heavy metal and glam metal !!!!!!!!!!! 01:27, 7 August 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zakkman (talk • contribs)

Name

Is it Kiss or KISS? I mean, I see people referring to them as KISS, and some as simply Kiss. So, which is right anyway? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.69.161.39 (talk • contribs)

• Well there is no right or wrong, but for the purposes of Kiss-related articles on Wikipedia it was decided to go with "Kiss" instead of "KISS." --cholmes75 ^{(chit chat)} 14:33, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

In other words, they are going against what KISS actually spells it as, check out http://www.kissonline.net/ or http://www.GeneSimmons.com or http://www.kissasylum.com/ for some examples to how you properly spell it. - kevinbocking 01:53, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

• This discussion already took place - check the talk page archives. --cholmes75 ^{(chit chat)} 02:41, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
  • And was "resolved" through bullying and apathy rather than reason or logic. The band's name is rendered in capital letters and the Wikipedia spelling is totally wrong. 71.131.214.47 (talk) 23:01, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Actually, the Kiss logo is in the "Die Nasty" font which has no upper case. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chevyboy666 (talk • contribs) 07:16, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Feature

We should feature this article Moezzillas world 12:58, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Mercury is a label

>>>>>>>Hello. I reverted the recent changes you made to some Kiss album articles. According to the guidelines on WP:ALBUM, only the original record label should be listed unless a newer version is significantly different than the original. Since the only thing different about the 1997 editions is the remastering, that doesn't seem to be enough to add Mercury to the infobox. Mention of the new editions is (or should be) in the articles though. Thanks. --(name withheld) (chit chat) 13:59, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Well, I think that remastering would make a significant difference compared to the original releases. And Mercury is the current label that releases the Kiss back catalog, so I will ignore your comment and put their name back in the appropriate articles.

• What is significantly different about the remastered editions, other than some tweaks in sound quality? There's no extra tracks or bonus media at all. I've reverted your changes, as you have not even begun to make a valid case for your edits. --cholmes75 ^{(chit chat)} 13:43, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

"Truce"

I have decided to end this whole label edit battle between myslef and cholmes75, as it has become a major waste of time.

If anyone else wants to make changes to the album pages, I suggest having a great deal of patience when dealing with those in opposition to your contributions.Electrokinesis 22:07, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

YouTube Links (Mike Douglas Interview)?

I can well imagine that the exact nature of the Mike Douglas show quotes came straight from YouTube (& thank you to the editor who cleaned up my less accurate-from-memory insertion) - is there a way to link to it as a source, or does Wikipedia not do that? FlaviaR 07:34, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

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Citations & References

See Wikipedia:Footnotes for an explanation of how to generate footnotes using the <ref(erences/)> tags Nhl4hamilton (talk) 09:11, 4 February 2008 (UTC) Kiss is the best band of all time! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.16.49.65 (talk) 00:37, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

If it's too loud you're too old

In the mid '80's Kiss had a concert tour t-shirt that said on the back of it "IF IT'S TOO LOUD YOU'RE TOO OLD", can anyone tell me what tour that was and theyear? This has my brain stumped. If anyone can answer this question for me please email it to sherylrosenbaum@hotmail.com. Thank you!

Sherylr1969 (talk) 18:49, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

"IF IT'S TOO LOUD YOU'RE TOO OLD" first appeared as a radio station i.d. or concert promo on KNAC in Long Beach, Los Angeles in early 1987 (?). KISS started using it after that, so either on the Crazy Nights or Hot in the Shade tours. 162.83.137.242 (talk) 19:14, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Bandit makeup (Paul Stanley)

Hi Guys,

I trust there are some Kiss experts that know the answer to this.

I have seen some early pictures of Paul Stanley in Bandit makeup - although it was gone by the first album cover, was it ever used live? Also should it be mentioned in the article?

Thanks

64.104.252.130 (talk) 03:53, 10 June 2008 (UTC)DT

     Yeah, He used it a couple of times in early '74 because Neil Bogart, their then-current producer for Casablanca Records thought that the star was
     too femenine, I'm not sure if it should be mentioned though because it was before KISS got big.

66.185.217.32 (talk) 14:43, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Paul Stanley used the Bandit style makeup for 3-4 shows & one photoshoot in 1974.

Tom Snyder interview

The part about friction being evident from the Tom Snyder interview is kind of misleading... the only time Criss referred to his gun collection was when Tom asked each member what their hobbies were. Sure, Frehley was probably inebriated, as was possibly Criss, but they were just being themselves (which is the point of the interview - to show the people behind the masks).The interview went pretty well, but looked like Simmons was in a bad mood because he wasn't getting enough attention.

associated act

Shouldn't Black Sabbath be in the associated acts section of the info box? After all, current drummer Eric Singer was once in that band. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.244.42.180 (talk) 22:08, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

no one answered so i'll just put it in —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.244.42.180 (talk) 21:16, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Ankh Warrior and Fox Makeup

Is it true that Vinnie Vincent owns these makeup designs? 12.203.123.104 (talk) 03:55, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Fairly certain that all off the Kiss makeup designs are still owned by Simmons and Stanley. 24.8.252.164 (talk) 00:12, 14 November 2008 (UTC)