Talk:R.V. College of Engineering

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Placement

while placements is not a very important aspect with respect to other colleges in India, it is a very important part of colleges in Bangalore. News reports on campus recruitment have appeared in NDTV news, Aaj Tak etc where Bangalore colleges where covered specifically.So it is an important topic which needs to be covered even in a wikipedia article and without it an article on any Bangalore college and specifically RVCE would be incomplete. RVCE is best known for its placements and the reason many ppl from Karnataka and other states come to colleges in Bangalore is more for placements than anything else. ALso in the discussion leading to selection of colleges after CET placements is the most important criterion for most people.This is very different from the college selection atmosphere in north India where placement is not an important enough factor and far fewer number of companies recruit directly from campus.

It is an adverts. Advertisement is strictly not allowed in wikipedia. Placements is there is every college and as far i know it is no where important here in wikipedia. --SkyWalker 10:07, 13 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thats a very general statement that placements are there in every college in India. Only someone in Bangalore would know how much placement figures in the conversation of students. Also if placements was as pronounced in colleges of the North ppl wouldn't have to come to Bangalore in large numbers to hunt jobs.Over 75% of students at RVCE and more than 80% of students from the IT branches have one or more jobs by the time they graduate. I have tried my best to explain my point in detail. If you want to indulge in an edit war then so be it.

Iam from bangalore. I know it very well. :). It is not me who is staring a edit war. It is people who readd placements which is violating wikipedia. It is an encyclopedia not an ads site. --SkyWalker 10:18, 13 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The article was sounding like an ad for a long time. Only today I revised a major part of it and rewrote it. But I still think that the article must contain a section on placements. If you dont like the way the section is written please rewrite it. But I think the section should not be removed.

Image you have a encyclopedia in your hand say for ex:- Encarta or any sort of encyclopedia and you come across india college. Which says about placements and this many companies and this many recruits. I would says why are this sort of crap written in here and what sort of information or importance does it bring?. Iam sure you would think like that. As far i know none of those encyclopedia have written those sort of things. So what iam telling is that wikipedia is a encyclopedia a free one and plus any one can edit. When it comes to editing we are here to make it useful and informative not for writing advertising. If you need some examples who to write a good article. Please visit any featured articles such has Indian Institutes of Technology and many articles such has this. --SkyWalker 10:30, 13 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Firstly I have not seen an encyclopedia with articles on any Indian engineering college. Secondly I wouldn't think like that it is only your opinion. I have looked into enough wikipedia articles to know what a good article is. As I said if you can improve on this please do. But dont just remove sections without sufficient justification. Also please check the page of Birla Institute of Technology People do not go to IIT and RVCE for the same reasons. There are significant differences between the two and what people expect out of them. Also the kind of people who go to each college are also very different. So the articles must reflect that. As I said it may be rewritten but the section is necessary.

Birla Institute of Technology is not a featured article so i wont talk about the article. --SkyWalker 10:50, 13 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

While that may be true only the general article on IITs is a featured article. The articles on specific IITs like IIT kanpur ,IIT bombay etc are not.

This one and one more. They are plenty of this. --SkyWalker 11:01, 13 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

- Btw it is very rare for indian college being a featured article. Mainly most articles talks about placements and others which does not get select to be part of featured article. Sadly indians make a big deal of placements. --SkyWalker 11:06, 13 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Actions which can be taken to achieve NPOV

Lots of changes made. please see the updated webpage. cheers!

better logo

can somebody upload a better higher resoultion logo? since i left the college long back i have no access :)

dats right.uncyclopedic content have been deleted.

Vandalism

This page has been constantly vandalized by ppl who are deleting content. I have provided citations and I am constantly trying to restore deleted content but it has not helped. Please watch out for 217.194.34.103 .

Non-notable content

Currently this article lot of non-notable, unencyclopedic content and requires cleanup. The sections are :

We can add it once we have a reliable secondary source, will be removing it. --Rvian00 (talk) 15:07, 19 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:R. V. College of Engineering/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Vibhijain (talk · contribs) Will review it in some days. 14:01, 23 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Rate	Attribute	Review Comment
	1. Well-written:
	1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct.	Hyphens (-) have been used many times in the article, however as per MOS:DASH, en dash (–) and em dash (—) should be used. Please refer to the policy to know how and when they have to be used. Done. I have reworded, removed, or retained hyphens wherever applicable by MOSDASH. In some cases, I have replaced hyphens by endashes. Lynch 7 13:57, 24 October 2011 (UTC)[reply] Hashes (#) have been used two times in the article (in the lead section), however as per MOS:HASH, word "number", or the abbreviation "No." should be used. Done. I'm not sure why this comes here. This should go into MOS criticism (next row). Lynch 7 13:07, 24 October 2011 (UTC)[reply] Since that doesn't have anything to do with the MoS guildlines mentioned blow.♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ ^Talk ^Email 13:10, 24 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
	1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.	The lead describes about the "8th Mile", however only 1 reference have been provided in the article for that ([1]), which seems to be dead and not a WP:RS. Please fix that. Done. Fixed dead link. Per WP:UNIGUIDE, the material is not promotional in any way, and a secondary source is not needed. Lynch 7 13:07, 24 October 2011 (UTC)[reply] Also one of the statement says,"The students of RVCE operate many student projects,most notable being the ones supported by the Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO)", two sources have been provided for that in section 5.1, however neither of them describes the concerned college. Done. Lynch 7 13:07, 24 October 2011 (UTC)[reply] The word "recent" has been used once in the article, however as per WP:RELTIME, it should be avoided as situations change over time. Instead, use date and time-specific text. Done. Mentioned year. Lynch 7 13:07, 24 October 2011 (UTC)[reply] As per WP:ALSO, editors should provide a brief annotation for articles listed in "See also" section. Comment: I don't know if that will be applicable here. I don't think any annotation is possible for links like List of Indian engineering college rankings or List of colleges affiliated to Visvesvaraya Technological University. Lynch 7 14:24, 24 October 2011 (UTC)[reply] As per WP:W2W, words like "excelled" should be used with care as it may introduce bias. This word has been used in section 4.1, which effects the WP:NPOV. Also the word "excels" has been used once. Please use other words like "won" which are almost always neutral and accurate. Done. Check it out once, I've put words like "victorious" and "wins". Lynch 7 14:22, 24 October 2011 (UTC)[reply] As per WP:SLANG, English language should be used in a businesslike manner. The article uses some slangs like "freshman", which effect the encyclopedic tone. Comment: Freshman is a common term used to refer to new admits in colleges, especially in the United States. Second years are called Sophomores, third years Juniors and fourth years Seniors. Lynch 7 14:05, 24 October 2011 (UTC)[reply] Template:IndicText needs to be added. Done. Lynch 7 16:43, 24 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
	2. Verifiable with no original research:
	2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline.	Just a minor problem, some references need to be attributed to their authors too, for example, ref.1 needs to be attributed to the author also, who is in this case "Sahana Charan". Another example is ref.14, which needs to be attributed to the author "K. Satyamurty". Done. I have done it for these two cases, but I don't this comes under a GAN, I've seen these kinda issues come up at FACs. I'm happy to fix these omissions though. Lynch 7 16:58, 25 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
	2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose).	~~Primary sources have been use many times in the article, for example, section 1.1 have one source, which is a primary source.~~ Comment: Using primary sources is not a crime. WP:UNIGUIDE says that primary sources cannot be used to create new articles about clubs, papers, etc, but makes clear that they may be used within the main article to establish existence. Lynch 7 13:14, 24 October 2011 (UTC)[reply] The fact that DEBSOC won the "All-Asians Intervarsity Tournament" has not been cited. Done. Added more material, ref for this as well. Its in the next line. Lynch 7 14:10, 24 October 2011 (UTC)[reply] Also the fact that Rotaract Club is affiliated to Rotary International District 3190 and conducts blood donation camps, National pulse polio drives, tree plantation drives and eye check-up camps is not referred. The reference just proves that they are in existence. Done. Removed uncited, added primary source to show affiliation. Lynch 7 14:17, 24 October 2011 (UTC)[reply] Sections 2.4 describes 20 companies, however the reference provided cites only 12. Done. Added more and primary refs, without any promotional tone. Lynch 7 14:48, 24 October 2011 (UTC)[reply] The club provides the students a platform to showcase their leadership skills, talents in music, art and craft and also literary interests by organizing college level events like Opinions, an open discussion forum. The club, along with the National Service Scheme (NSS), and the National Cadet Corps (NCC) units of the college, organizes visit to leprosariums and orphanages. It organizes an Eye Pledging Camp in association with the Lions Eye Bank, Bangalore, the following statement is not cited by the reference provided. Done. Removed uncited and reworded. Lynch 7 15:03, 24 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
	2c. it contains no original research.	The statement that basketball is fast gaining popularity among the women seems to be WP:OR as the reference doesn't cite that. Done. Reworded. Lynch 7 14:16, 24 October 2011 (UTC)[reply] The infobox states "RVites" as the nickname, however there is no reference. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ ^Talk ^Email 14:11, 24 October 2011 (UTC) Done. Added refLynch 7 14:16, 24 October 2011 (UTC)[reply] The canteen serves North Indian, South Indian and Chinese vegetarian cuisine, this statement is not supported by the reference. Done. Cited book. Lynch 7 17:10, 24 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
	3. Broad in its coverage:
	3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic.	I will like to some information on the "history" of the college, It has to not be very much, but just some information about formation of "Rashtreeya Sikshana Samithi Trust" and setting up of the college. Done. Lynch 7 17:42, 24 October 2011 (UTC)[reply] The official website depicts a lot about the library, but I can't even see the word being used in the article. It can have a stand alone level 3 section under section 2. Done. Added the figures and facts without any promo tone (because it is a primary source, I have taken care). I have not created a separate section for 2 reasons: 1) the TOC is getting huge 2) Info about the library is short, and I don't want to expand it using primary sources as ref.Lynch 7 17:03, 25 October 2011 (UTC)[reply] If the TOC is getting huge, you may like to use Template:TOC limit. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ ^Talk ^Email 17:52, 25 October 2011 (UTC)[reply] Okay, I'm trying that out. Lynch 7 17:57, 25 October 2011 (UTC)[reply] I'm done with that. It seems OK now. Lynch 7 18:03, 25 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
	3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).
	4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.
	5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.
	6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
	6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content.
	6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.	The article is pretty near to GA status, however, a couple of issues are still to be fixed. First is that you need to have WP:ALT for images. Second that File:RVCE Cauvery hostel annexe.jpg seems to be more relevant with section 2.1. Done. Just now I have removed that image. 2.1 already has 2 images (I'm struggling to wrap it properly as it is), so I think this is better deleted. Lynch 7 18:10, 25 October 2011 (UTC)[reply] Alt text Done. Lynch 7 18:16, 25 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
	7. Overall assessment.	Congrats Mike! After considerable hard work, you have been successful in satisfying the GA criteria. Thank you :) Lynch 7 11:28, 26 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]