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Resolving Disputes
Hi, Ray,
What should I do with regards to the Henry Kissinger section dispute I am having with TheTimesAreAChanging? He continues to undo my edits despite my request that he wait until our dispute is appealed. He does not seem to be participating in our Talk Page discussion on the article. What happens next?
Thanks,
Veritas Aeterna (talk) 08:33, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
PS I am also unfamiliar w resolving disputes so don't know if this is the right way. Is there a way I can appeal to a wider jury? Further, if there is a decision, how is it enforced? It seems TheTimesAreAChanging will just continue to change my edits if there is no enforcement.
- I reverted you once, about something that was never discussed and for which you had no consensus. You edit warred to get it back in without discussion, and I acquiesced. That you are a POV-pusher, with a tendency towards hyperbole, should be obvious to any neutral observer. Hopefully, Ray will explain more calmly and politely than I that we really do not need to keep adding vastly more content to the article, as you just did, but instead that it should be cut and summarized with fewer quotations.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 02:36, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
- I do indeed hope Ray will be more calm and polite. You've reverted me many times, despite the evidence, and so I've had to appeal our dispute. I've added changes to update the history of the section, and to provide more balance. The original discussion was overly exculpatory of Kissinger's actions, and based on dated sources. I have kept most of TheTimesAreAChanging original material in, to preserve that point of view, ignoring his personal rudeness, dismissive remarks, and personal attacks. I would say the POV pushing is on the other side and the evidence is clear. If the judgement is against what is indeed the truth, I will accept it, and it will be a pity that this Wikipedia article will remain as inaccurate as it was originally, but so be it. Yes, the article can be written so much more clearly than it is now, and with a much better representation of the truth, but then it will not preserve TheTimesAreAChanging's source material that tends to minimize Kissinger's role in the coup based on outdated (e.g., the Church Report, when not amended to account for subsequent revelations from the declassified documents from the Chile Declassification Project, including reports that show where the committee was deceived or evidence was withheld), or self-serving sources (e.g., Kissinger's memoir, which not surprisingly would place him in a better light than others might).
Hi All, I am currently travelling outside the country and rather busy. I will comment when I return. All the best, RayTalk 02:45, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
RfA: thank you for your support
Ray, thank your for your support and constructive criticism during my recent RfA. I will do my best to treat it as a "learning experience" in my future editing. Warm regards, Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 15:01, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
Hello, and thanks for tagging this for notability back in 2008. The tag's still there and you may want to read over WP:Notability (schools) and WP:NOTABILITY and add the reasons for your concern to the Talk pg. Alternatively, you could take it to the Notability Noticeboard or AfD, or remove the tag if you are no longer concerned. Best wishes, Boleyn (talk) 21:36, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
- Hi Boleyn, a cursory google search not providing in-depth reviews to establish independent notability of this album, I've just gone ahead and redirected it to the artist. It can't be that important if nobody's bothered to improve it for that long. RayTalk 16:06, 15 February 2013 (UTC)