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How many years did he get?

How long does he have to stay behind bars? --84.56.250.27 (talk) 10:02, 19 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

He's dead bro. 96.227.114.188 (talk) 21:54, 29 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Mediation?

I notice there's an edit-war on this article, and would like to help resolve the issue by offering informal mediation, provided of course, that both PRODUCER and Àntó consider me impartial. Until you guys get unblocked, I'll just say that this doesn't look like a very tough dispute, and that I'm sure it can be resolved relatively quickly. --DIREKTOR ^(TALK) 10:32, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

OK, let us see where the problem is:

If you take a look at edit history you will see the following:

PRODUCER has removed category "People from Čapljina"- [1][2][3] Why??
PRODUCER has removed category "Croats of Bosnia and Herzegovina"- Why?
PRODUCER has removed link to Praljak personal website-Why?? What is wrong with that?

About Sections:

I did not erased this link . I just placed it in another section.
Sentence "Slobodan Praljak is among six accused by the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia (ICTY), in relation to the Croatian Republic of Herzeg-Bosnia." is written below with that source and it is absolutely necessary to repeat it twice.
2 Section "indicment" and "charges" are totally meaningless because that is the same thing.

PRODUCER'S modus oprandi here seems to be deleteing everything that he dislikes. no mather what collateral damage might be done.As in many other articles before. --Añtó| Àntó (talk) 06:06, 21 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

First of all: STOP edit-warring - you will get blocked for a long time. This version can stand for a while. Here's how I see it, there are a number of issues:

Categories. All the categories, if they're correct of course, should stay.
Personal website. As far as I know, a link to his personal website in the "External links" section is ok.
Lead. The lead is supposed to repeat the content of the article. There is no reason to remove the text about his indictment from the lead.
"Charges" section. The "Charges" section is unnecessary in my view, and it should fall under the "ICTY indictment" section.

--DIREKTOR ^(TALK) 08:50, 21 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The lead section must mention the ICTY trial per lead policy, the rest (categories etc.) were caught in the edit and couldn't care less about. PRODUCER (talk) 19:45, 21 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well then, we agree. The lead can indeed repeat article text. Àntó?

By the way, PRODUCER, Àntó, I can guarantee you both: you will be blocked for weeks/months if you do not STOP edit-warring immediately. Just trust me, it'll happen. We need to take things slow and cool down. I suggest, if you'll accept my mediation, that we start with Slobodan Praljak and move on? --DIREKTOR ^(TALK) 20:02, 21 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. PRODUCER (talk) 01:11, 22 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Here is a compromise. What if the lead section said something like "he is among six Croat politicians on trial at the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia (ICTY), in relation to war crimes during the Bosnian War." Because he has not yet been found guilty there need not be details about the specifics of these crimes in the lead but I think it is important that they are mentioned. How is this for a solution? (feel free to improve on my text here). Polargeo

There you go guys, can we move on? --DIREKTOR ^(TALK) 09:16, 22 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fine with me. PRODUCER (talk) 16:03, 22 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

LoL... so why were you edit-warring? :P Come on, a little less ethnic hatred please, remember that the Ustaše wanted us to be friends ;D --DIREKTOR ^(TALK) 20:13, 22 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ethnic hatred? Where is this coming from? There is no other way of keeping that info in the lead section. You've witnessed edits that even remotely show anything bad about a Croat politician be removed by Aradic (Tudman, Prajlak, Glavas, Boban, etc). I've dealt with Aradic before with a third opinion and reached a consensus only to have it be later breached by him. Hopefully this will be more effective. PRODUCER (talk) 21:03, 22 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

An edit warrior who ( despite his username) , PRODUCES NOTHING ,whose 90% activities are reverting and cca 9% fighting on talk pages is not appropriate person to judge anybody. Añtó| Àntó (talk) 11:59, 26 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Silly comment Aradic, can you please stop trying to provoke PRODUCER? Polargeo (talk) 13:03, 26 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

PRODUCER, I was kidding (note the smileys :). I was just referring to the fact that you're both not even seriously trying to discuss every issue, and that you really should use the talkpage if you're reverted. I was blocked a few times for edit-warring myself, but not before my hand ached from writing. No matter how futile it may be, at least give it a try. (I'm not lecturing, I'm trying to help. I don't want to see you guys blocked.) --DIREKTOR ^(TALK) 22:15, 22 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Death

In the courtroom video, in the moments leading up to Praljak taking the poison, he can clearly be seen nervously fidgeting with the bottle. I am surprised that there was no bailiff watching the defendant.