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ITN recognition for Yvette Williams
On 14 April 2019, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Yvette Williams, which you nominated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page.
— Amakuru (talk) 09:42, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
Category:Monuments and memorials to Amelia Earhart has been nominated for discussion
Category:Monuments and memorials to Amelia Earhart, which you created, has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. RevelationDirect (talk) 01:32, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
ITN recognition for Mick Micheyl
On 20 May 2019, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Mick Micheyl, which you nominated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page.
Stephen 00:12, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
Relatives in infoboxes
Hi from Sydney, OZ! It seems that relatives are not allowed in the Template:Infobox scientist. Obviously they are allowed in the generic Template:Infobox person, but some of the items specific to Template:Infobox scientist don't work on it. So I'm afraid I can't help except to suggest you ask on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Women in Red. Someone there may be able to help. Oronsay (talk) 12:27, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks Oronsay, yes that's probably the reason it's not working. Thanks and have a lovely day. MurielMary (talk) 20:51, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
Invite
Please feel free to come to a Wikipedia meeting in Christchurch on Wednesday, 29 May 2019. Schwede66 22:19, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
Speedy deletion nomination of Gladys Goodall
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A tag has been placed on Gladys Goodall requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a real person or group of people that does not credibly indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please read more about what is generally accepted as notable.
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I really apologize foe this, asap i saw that its under Construction i immediately undid the CSD tag Shringhringshring (talk) 00:14, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
Barnstar
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The New Zealand Barnstar of National Merit | |
| Thanks for joining yesterday's NZ writers' workshop remotely. We all watched your progress and attendees were certainly impressed by the speed with which you generate articles. | ||
| this WikiAward was given to MurielMary by Schwede66 on 00:12, 9 June 2019 (UTC) |
- Well, thank you very much! I was a bit gutted I couldn't make it in person but still, could get a bit of connection from editing from home. Glad it went well! MurielMary (talk) 03:33, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
DYK
I nominated an article that you started for DYK here - Template:Did you know nominations/Mary Robinson Foster. SL93 (talk) 02:18, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
ITN recognition for Marisa Merz
On 24 July 2019, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Marisa Merz, which you nominated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page.
Stephen 05:52, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
ITN recognition for Ruth Gotlieb
On 27 July 2019, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Ruth Gotlieb, which you nominated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page.
SpencerT•C 21:51, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
Speedy deletion declined: Something I Want to Tell You
Hello MurielMary. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Something I Want to Tell You, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: charting in Billboard is a sufficient claim of significance. Thank you. SoWhy 13:11, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
Speedy deletion declined: Johnny & the Expressions
Hello MurielMary. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Johnny & the Expressions, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: charting in Billboard is a sufficient claim of significance. Thank you. SoWhy 13:12, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
Moving an article from draftspace
Hi, just saw that you have reviewed an article I've made yesterday (Margaux Le Mouël. Thanks for that!
There is an article Draft:Anissa Lahmari I've made more than 3 months ago which got moved to draft space citing lack of sources. However I've added enough sources to it since then.
Is it possible for you to review it and move it from draftspace? Thanks in advance! :) Kokoeist (talk) 10:46, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
Hi there! I found numerous new sources on the guy. It would be great if you could check out my five cents here. I really think we should keep him. Just give me the opportunity to edit the article. Cheers, Andek (talk) 12:52, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
July 2019
I noticed that you tagged Daan Stern with {{prod blp}} for proposed deletion. I have removed the tag from the article because it does not meet the criteria specified. The placement requirements are (a) that subject is living, and (b) that the article contains no sources in any form (as references, external links, etc., reliable or otherwise) supporting any statements made about the person in the biography. Please fully read Wikipedia:Proposed deletion of biographies of living people before tagging articles for proposed deletion. Thank you. Adam9007 (talk) 15:26, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
Questions
If you have a minute could I ask a few questions. I got started years ago working on Wikipedia, but my skills have gotten rusty. I got inspired by a New York Times article about Jessica Wade drafting 700 articles about women scientists. However, I run up against some of the Wiki rules and culture that I am unfamiliar with in the process.
1. For articles on Karen Jackman Ashton and Sahar Qumsiyeh I got Deletion notices requiring more references. I have 5-7 which I thought would be enough to get an article started. Thoughts?
2. It says you reviewed the article Jenny Reeder. How does that process work? What should I be doing so my new articles are more easily accepted? Best — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fullrabb (talk • contribs)
- @Fullrabb: Talk page stalker here. The number of sources is irrelevant. You want to have some sources that are reliable and deal with the subject in depth. And don't forget to sign your talk page contributions. Schwede66 04:20, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
- @Fullrabb: Hi Fullrabb, sorry for the delayed response. Regarding your question about reviewing articles, when an editor is new and creates a new article it gets tagged for a more experienced editor to review - to have a look and check whether it has enough sources, whether it's written in an encyclopedic style, whether the subject is unique/not repeated in another article, whether it is notable etc etc. If you get a notification that a page you created has been reviewed, then that means another editor has checked it over and thinks it looks ok. If the other editor thinks there are problems with it then you'll get a notification with suggestions to improve the article. Regarding your question about the other two articles, I agree with Schwede's comment - try looking for articles from reliable sources and which describe the subject in detail. You can read more about reliable sources here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources Also make sure the article describes the person's achievements. The article about Ashton for example has a paragraph about a festival, but it doesn't explain how Ashton is connected to that festival or what she did to develop it or work on it etc. All the best with your editing! MurielMary (talk) 09:12, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
Frustrated Wiki user here. I have seen both articles Karen Jackman Ashton and Sahar Qumsiyeh deleted today after only a couple days or review. What is interesting to me is that only a handful of people weighed in and all were men. If I'm working to make Wikipedia more inclusive of women, why do men get to be the gatekeepers. And their arguments were ridiculous. 'She was only on the board of a community college not a real university'. 'Her storytelling festival isn't a bid deal'. And many of my references for both articles were not related to the LDS Church as they both claimed. Please help me understand. And how might I challenge their decision? Fullrabb (talk) 19:36, 4 August 2019 (UTC)Fullrabb
- @Fullrabb: You need to stick to the truth. "after only a couple days or review" is simply incorrect as the deletion process runs for seven days, and that was the case here, too. See the links to the deletion discussions: Ashton and Qumsiyeh. As I said above, what matters is that there are reliable sources that deal with subjects in depth. That simply wasn't the case for the people you wrote about. As frustrating as it may be, there's nothing you can do when you pick people who don't meet the notability thresholds. Have a read of Wikipedia:Notability (people). Schwede66 19:59, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
Just a wee push
It's time to WP:ARCHIVE; takes too long to scroll even to the bottom of the TOC! :) Schwede66 04:13, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
- Wow, thanks for the link and the push, I feel I have springcleaned even though it's a cold wintry night!! MurielMary (talk) 08:06, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
DYK for Mary Robinson Foster
On 5 August 2019, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Mary Robinson Foster, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that philanthropist Mary Robinson Foster (pictured) was known as the first Hawaiian Buddhist? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Mary Robinson Foster. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Mary Robinson Foster), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
— Maile (talk) 00:01, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
September 2019 at Women in Red
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New Page Review newsletter September-October 2019
Hello MurielMary,
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Dr. Edith Klemperer
Thank you so much for your help!
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kia ora MurielMary!
Thanks for approving the Sofia Gurevitsh entry so quickly.
Very interesting discussion here on your User Talk page, especially about deletion of entries.
cheers from Wellington
Tarkiwi25 (talk) 22:23, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
- Kia ora Tarkiwi, I didn't realise that the Gurevitsh article was written by a fellow Kiwi! Nice job! MurielMary (talk) 01:27, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
Dear Madam, Can you please re-check the draft on Anjana Reddy? She is a notable businesswomen in India. Please, have a look at the Google India results[1]. Requesting you to check the draft again please. --Maromanur (talk) 20:44, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
I wasn't the one who submitted the draft for another review but I have made a few contributions to the draft. I really don't see how the subject has only had "passing mentions". The references used in the draft clearly show significant coverage from multiple respected sources. Is there a way that we can get some other people to weigh in here, similar to this discussion? Aitch & Aitch Aitch (talk) 13:31, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
- Hi, If you'd like another reviewer to look at the article, you can resubmit it and it will appear in the list of newly created articles for reviewers' attention. The discussion you've linked to is a deletion discussion that took place after an article on Delphine was published; currently, the article is an unpublished draft so it's at a different stage - it's still being determined whether the article is ready/suitable for publishing. MurielMary (talk) 09:18, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
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| Thank you for reviewing the Nesta Nala biography page! I am new to wiki editing and am teaching a class (along with extensive tech help) at the university level in which I am training students to research artists, cite sources, and edit artists' pages. Your review is going to provide a wonderful in-class example of why the page written is a very basic level and I will be editing the page to show students how to improve their work! Eperrill (talk) 18:48, 15 October 2019 (UTC) |
- Eperrill Well thank you very much, that's very nice to receive! That's great that you are teaching uni students to work with Wikipedia - their writing will certainly reach a wide audience! If you are particularly focused on creating articles on women artists, you might be interested in reading the Women in Red WikiProject pages. This is a group of editors who work to create new articles about notable women. You can find them by searaching "WP:Women in Red" in the Wikipedia search bar. Happy editing! MurielMary (talk) 10:29, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
In regard to the article on musical artist Deb Never, I would argue that according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(music)#Criteria_for_musicians_and_ensembles no. 1 and no. 10, the artist does meet the notability requirements, as she has performed on a notable television show (Jimmy Kimmel Live!), and has been covered in a non-trivial manner (i.e., no advertising, technical details such as contact information or performance dates, or articles in a school or university newspaper) by multiple well-known sources (such as Billboard, Consequence of Sound, and Rolling Stone) that are independent of the artist.
I appreciate your feedback. --HumHumHummus (talk) 09:22, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
Request on 14:17:54, 19 October 2019 for assistance on AfC submission by Liquid Crack
- Liquid Crack (talk · contribs)
Dear editor, thank you for your feedback. The subject in question is a notable nutritionist in India. She's been a leading nutritionists since 1997 and has decent popularity in India and she's also been pivotal in nutritional guidance to few of the Miss Worlds. May you please help me in what all changes / additions can be done so that this considered for inclusion.
Appreciate your guidance,
Thank you.
Liquid Crack (talk) 14:17, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
- Hi Liquid Crack please read the notability criteria at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability and then add details to the article that show how she meets these criteria. MurielMary (talk) 07:38, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
Joan Barr
Hi MurielMary! Thanks for reviewing my article about Joan Barr. Yay! I'm so excited that the article got created and now, that other people can collaborate on it to make it stronger. One question; it looks like it has a section at the bottom that says "draft article submitted for review", can that heading or section be removed now that the article is created? I'm not sure how it got there and I don't want to disrupt by removing it if it should be left alone. It just looks a bit goofy :) . Thanks so much for your help! Curdigirl (talk) 18:35, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
- Hi Curdigirl, looks like someone else has removed that line as it's not there now. Happy editing! MurielMary (talk) 07:35, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
Your submission at Articles for creation: Theatre of Black Women has been accepted
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MurielMary (talk) 09:35, 20 October 2019 (UTC)Debbie Brooks
Request for Approval
I need some guidance for my AfC Submission for Draft:Debbie Brooks. You commented on the submission that Debbie Brooks does not appear to meet the threshold for notability of a musician and requested that more information be added.
I believe Debbie Brooks does meet the criteria, specifically two criteria as listed under the Wikipedia:Notability (music) criteria for musicians and ensembles. They are criteria #6 and #11, specifically.
Criterion #6
"Is an ensemble that contains two or more independently notable musicians, or is a musician who has been a reasonably prominent member of two or more independently notable ensembles. This should be adapted appropriately for musical genre; for example, having performed two lead roles at major opera houses. Note that this criterion needs to be interpreted with caution, as there have been instances where this criterion was cited in a circular manner to create a self-fulfilling notability loop (e.g. musicians who were "notable" only for having been in two bands, of which one or both were "notable" only because those musicians had been in them.)"
I believe this criterion deserves to be interpreted for the musical genre; specifically that of the Symphony Orchestra.
I propose this criterion can be interpreted for the Symphony Orchestra in two reasonable ways:
Proposal #1: a true analysis of the independently notable musicians within the ensemble (i.e. the subject is a member of a symphony orchestra which itself contains 2 or more independently notable musicians within it).
Under Proposal #1, Brooks passes as notable. Brooks performed in the Fort Worth Symphony Orchestra when a least two independently notable musicians were members of the ensemble. Two ready examples are conductors Miguel Harth-Bedoya and John Giordano (conductor). Each of these musicians were notable in their own right independently of the Fort Worthy Symphony while Brooks was a member. Therefore, Brooks meets the notability requirement under this proposal.
Furthermore, it bears arguing that all independently notable musicians who perform as guests with a major symphony should count towards a participating full-time orchestra member's requirement for notability. For example, full-time orchestra members who regularly perform on stage with notable touring musicians like Yo-Yo Ma or Hillary Han could be considered notable under this genre-specific proposal.
If the above is true, one might argue that under this proposal, every full-time musician in a major symphony orchestra meets the threshold of notability for a Wikipedia page by virtue of being a member. To this, I agree. Winning a full time position in a major symphony orchestra is an achievement akin to a Football player winning a starting role for an NFL Football Team.
If one disagrees with this conception, they must be prepared to argue that a musician who plays full-time in a notable symphony orchestra, an ensemble which itself contains independently notable musicians, and which regularly attracts the guest performances of notable musicians, is somehow not notable themselves. Such an argument would seem to me to go directly against Criterion #6 literally and in the spirit of the Criterion.
Proposal #2: Defining subject participation in multiple notable ensembles (like notable orchestras) as satisfying Criterion #6
For example, the notability guidelines give sufficient notability to an opera singer who has performed two or more major roles. For a symphony musician, a similar analogue would be having earned two full-time positions for two major symphony orchestras or similar-level performance ensembles. Additionally, one could define full-time participation in multiple, notable symphonic ensembles as facially satisfying Criterion #6.
Under Proposal #2, Brooks passes as notable. In addition to performing full time with the Fort Worth Symphony Orchestra, Brooks also performed full-time for Casa Mañana, a venue which is notable and attracts national-level theater productions. This is not considering Brooks regular appearances as a substitute for the Dallas Symphony Orchestra.
Under both proposals, it should therefore follow that Brooks is a notable musician, as Brooks satisfies the criteria of performing in an ensemble with two or more independently notable musicians AND as performing for 2 or more independently notable ensembles.
Criterion #11
"Has performed music for a work of media that is notable, e.g., a theme for a network television show, performance in a television show or notable film, inclusion on a notable compilation album, etc. (But if this is the only claim, it is probably more appropriate to have a mention in the main article and redirect to that article. Read the policy and notability guideline on subjects notable only for one event, for further clarifications)."
In addition to being a performer, Brooks also hires orchestras for the national tours of major artists, which is appropriately cited on Brooks' page.
Having hired several such orchestras for "notable media" such as the national tours of notable artists, this fact should therefore confer notability under Criterion #11.
Conclusion
For the above reasons, I respectfully request that Debbie Brooks article be approved since Brooks meets the notability requirements for a musician under Criteria #6 and #11
Ars Combinatoria (talk) 02:20, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
- If you would like a second opinion on this draft, you can re-submit and another editor will review it. MurielMary (talk) 08:37, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
November 2019 at Women in Red
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Thank you!
== THANK YOU FOR APPROVING THE ARTICLE INTERNATIONAL DAY OF WOMEN AND GIRLS IN SCIENCE == Sati010 (talk) 23:12, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
- You're welcome - thanks for creating it! MurielMary (talk) 23:15, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
Draft:Patricia Villalobos Echeverría
Thanks for reviewing my submission on Patricia Villalobos Echeverría, and for your feedback. I just finished adding the sources you requested to the Recognition section, which I admit I had forgotten to add. I resubmitted the article for review. Would you mind reviewing it again? Thank you! --FoundRock (talk) 14:52, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
- Done! Thanks! MurielMary (talk) 00:20, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks!--FoundRock (talk) 02:33, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
New Page Review newsletter November 2019
Hello MurielMary,
This newsletter comes a little earlier than usual because the backlog is rising again and the holidays are coming very soon.
- Getting the queue to 0
There are now 807 holders of the New Page Reviewer flag! Most of you requested the user right to be able to do something about the huge backlog but it's still roughly less than 10% doing 90% of the work. Now it's time for action.
Exactly one year ago there were 'only' 3,650 unreviewed articles, now we will soon be approaching 7,000 despite the growing number of requests for the NPR user right. If each reviewer soon does only 2 reviews a day over five days, the backlog will be down to zero and the daily input can then be processed by every reviewer doing only 1 review every 2 days - that's only a few minutes work on the bus on the way to the office or to class! Let's get this over and done with in time to relax for the holidays.
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Request on 15:18:56, 4 November 2019 for assistance on AfC submission by Jan de Smet 82
Hi,
Could you be so kind to inform me wich part of the article you mean with: "The content of this submission includes material that does not meet Wikipedia's minimum standard for inline citations."?
It is the first time I try to create a wikipedia page.
There is not yet a lot of information to be found about the Person i talk about.
How can I improve this article?
thnx!
Jan de Smet 82 (talk) 15:18, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
Jan de Smet 82 (talk) 15:18, 4 November 2019 (UTC) Hi there Jan de Smet 82. In the article, every statement must have an in-line citation to the source that the statement came from. So, you need to add citations to all the statements. Hope this helps. MurielMary (talk) 07:54, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
Request on 18:59:02, 4 November 2019 for assistance on AfC submission by Dronningmaudland
Good feedback and thanks to MurielMary for the time and effort taken to review the article. I think there are some details that I might delete as suggested but I am not sure if I should reduce the list of works by Aubrey Hammond to a selection of representative examples. Hammond very quickly vanished from the landscape of theatre history, perhaps due to the fact that he died early during WW2, ans so their is not a lot of published info about him, his biography or his work. I was hoping that extensive information might allow other contributors with multiple start points for further contributions on the subject. I am eager to make the article as good as possibe and so will await any other help you might give before I begin editing it for resubmission.
Thanks
caoimhin de bhailis (talk) 18:59, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
- Hi there Dronningmaudland. Well, if you really want to keep the list of works that Hammond contributed to I suggest you create a new page for them, similar to this one: List of plays by Dorothy L. Sayers. It's too much to include them all in the biographical article. You could move that whole list to the talk page of the draft for now, and if you then also remove some of the minor details of the biography and organise it more clearly then it will probably be ready to be published. Then you (or I) can start the "List of ..." page and you can work on that. MurielMary (talk) 07:44, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
Thanks MurielMary, I'll do this over the coming weekend. In the mean time I have made this page:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dronningmaudland#List_of_Works_Wholly_by%2For_Contributed_to_by_Aubrey_Hammond. I'll contact again once I have made resubmission. Best wishes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dronningmaudland (talk • contribs) 19:48, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
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Request on 15:26:12, 6 November 2019 for assistance on AfC submission by Barbabeau
Trying to get this article "Tara Holloway" submitted. I've added a dozen references and made the language factual. I'm not sure how much more I can do, especially when I see other pages with far less credentials that are published already. Very confusing. Any advise would be great, thanks!
Barbabeau (talk) 15:26, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
- Hi Barbabeau I see that the draft has been declined. Suggest you ask at the Tea House for advice on editing it, as there are many editors there who are experienced in this type of advice. All the best! MurielMary (talk) 10:23, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
Alona Rodeh -- draft
Dear MurielMary,
I agree with your comments regarding the article about Alona Rodeh. Luckily User:B.Kislev made some important changes and I did some more. This is actually a total revision. I hope that it meets Wikipedia stringent requirements much better now. Looking forward to hearing from you,
Micky — Preceding unsigned comment added by Micky.rodeh (talk • contribs) 19:03, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
- Hi Micky.rodeh I have commented on the draft again. If you would like another opinion, you can resubmit it for another editor to review. MurielMary (talk) 10:21, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
Dear MurielMary,
Following your insightful comments, I read again the Wikipedia guidelines re Notability focusing on Creative Professionals. I then did a considerable amount of rework:
- Regarding Rodeh's body of work the article now references (a) 11 Solo exhibitions in 4 different counties (Austria, Canada, Germany, and Israel), (b) 16 Group exhibitions in four countries (Germany, Israel, Poland, and Slovakia) (c) Awards, including the Israel Young Artist Award by the Israeli Ministry of Culture and Sports. Almost all of these results were achieved in highly competitive situations, thereby winning the respect of her peers.
- When it comes to originating new concepts, Rodeh's Safe and Sound project exposes the proliferation of Safety Systems materials and techniques (e.g., usage of phosphorous materials for road safety) to culture, fashion, and music. This is an innovative insight that Rodeh developed over the years and is one of the reasons she is invited to present in so many different locations and events (most recently in two different exhibitions in Germany).
- When it comes to working with others -- this is the way she typically operates: with other visual artists, with musicians, and with theater directors. She balances working alone with group work.
To add some color to all this, take a look at reference #16 ("The Farewell Kiss of Fire From Water (2016)"). The Tel Aviv municipality was about to knock down an iconic sculpture by Yaacov Agam (actually, a fountain) and the entire square where it is located in order to improve the flow of traffic through a congested junction. Rodeh was commissioned to design and implement a Fairwell artwork to the old square (quite an unusual concept). That's what she did. You see it in the picture. She used road painting materials and techniques to create impressive large scale artwork. Such a project was never done before. It was interesting to see kids walking in the square, following the lines that Rodeh painted and enjoying themselves. They will for sure remember the old square much better than they would otherwise.
Thank you for helping me improve the article. I hope that I have addressed your concerns. Sorry for being so incomplete in the earlier versions of the article. Please accept my apology.
Thank you, Micky — Preceding unsigned comment added by Micky.rodeh (talk • contribs) 15:41, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
Mary Crooks Article
Hi there - thank you for accepting my Mary Crooks article! The reason I put a disambiguation in was that another editor had deleted a previous Mary Crooks page referring to a different person, and they had written about themselves. When I asked the editor what I should do they said to include a disambiguation so that the history wouldn't get mixed up. Happy to take your advice, and thank you again! Very neant (talk) 11:28, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
- No worries, thank you for creating it! The other article has been deleted now so there's no other Mary Crooks article in Wikipedia and therefore no disambiguation needed. MurielMary (talk) 09:12, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
DRAFT Rika Ishige
Hi,
Thank you for taking the time to look over my Rika Ishige Draft.
I don't know if I understand your comment. I did not list Rika as a mixed martial artist. I said she is a Thai martial artist. So what does that have to do with mixed martial arts requirements?
Do I have to removed the heading that lists her mixed martial arts record and just put "martial arts" record?
What do I have to do to fix this?
Best,
John — Preceding unsigned comment added by JohnWolcott (talk • contribs) 12:41, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
- Hi John JohnWolcott - the second line of the draft calls Ishige a mixed martial artist, so that is why I referred to the notability criteria for a mixed martial artist in my comment. Is she a mixed martial artist? How does the media or other organisations describe her? MurielMary (talk) 10:16, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
DRAFT Rika Ishige
Hi,
Thank you for your reply. I wrote that as "considered Thailand first female mixed martial artist" because that's what the article I cited said.
But I can remove that to stay within the guidelines. I understand.
I will remove and resubmit.
Thanks,
John
JohnWolcott (talk) 14:27, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
Draft: Lucy Guo
Hey, MurielMary. Thank you for your prompt review of the article I wrote. I am curious as to why you feel the news coverage is insubstantial. There are eight articles in which she is featured and nine additional articles that talk about work that she has produced. Please let me know what you are seeking.
--Ubiquitouslarry (talk) 15:36, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
Draft: Maanvi Gagroo
Hi MurielMary, thanks for reviewing my Article. I feel that you were a bit harsh on me ! I have updated the article. Please consider reviewing it once again. Also, I would like to state that I have provided 20 references in the article and you find that the person is not worthy to have a Wikipedia page. But Naveen Kasthuria does not have a single reference, and yet it does have a Wiki page ! Thanks, Anandtr2006 (talk) 11:46, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
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I'm curious why you approved Greta Morkytė and Viktoria Vasilieva. According to Wiki's criteria for figure skating at WP:NSKATE, neither skater is sufficiently notable for inclusion on Wikipedia. Morkyte's only accomplishment is winning the Lithuanian national title but Lithuania has never qualified for the Olympics in ladies' singles so a Lithuanian ladies' national title does not meet criteria #3. Vasilieva is a junior-level skater. Juniors are only notable if they have competed in the final segment at the World Junior Championships but Russia has never selected her for that event. Hergilei (talk) 21:48, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
Draft:Bhavesh Kumar
Sir, i'll add the notable work on Bollywood actor Bhavesh Kumar, Please and review and help to move in main article . Thank you Listvl255 19:48, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
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Hiltrud Werner
Hi MurielMary, Thanks so much for your initial review and feedback on my draft for Hiltrud Werner. After a bit of feedback from a couple of editors from WikiProject Women in Red, I've updated the draft (and another editor also made some changes to the article's lead), and I wondered if you might take another look? If not, I can try resubmitting, but wanted to check back with you since you'd taken the time to provide some helpful feedback. I know you get a lot of notes here asking for you to go back and look at declined drafts again, so I understand if you're not able to! (Noting for disclosure: I have submitted this draft on behalf of VW via Finsbury as part of my work with Beutler Ink.) Thanks again! 16912 Rhiannon (Talk · COI) 16:00, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
Request on 11:34:29, 7 December 2019 for assistance on AfC submission by Dronningmaudland
I submitted an articel for consideration on the illustrator Aubrey Hammond. It was not accepted and correctly so. I re-wrote the article and re-submitted. It was deemed to long by another reviewer so I edited it down and submitted again. Since then I have had no contact from anybody. I think it is ready to go, it comprehensive, well referenced and leaves room for additional contributions. What happens now.
caoimhin de bhailis (talk) 11:34, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
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- Reviewer of the Year
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Request on 22:30:11, 22 December 2019 for assistance on AfC submission by Mcshicks
Clarification on feedback from reviewed article
Thank you for reviewing my article. While I appreciate the feedback, its seem rather generic and boilerplate to me. Can you point out anything specifically about the sources and references I used and why don't meet the requirements for notability? I have no intention of resubmitting at this point, but I just wanted to let you know, if you read my article, I can't actually tell that you did.
Thank you for the additional feedback. Regarding notability, in the world of Zen the notability is in the fact she was a dharma successor of a very important teacher. That's why it's called out in all of those references that I supplied. However if you don't agree with this assessment it is subjective, and as I mentioned before I have no intention of resubmitting. Mcshicks (talk) 04:39, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
Mcshicks (talk) 22:30, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for reviewing my article. I'm still getting used to the talk responses so I hope I do this ok. Your feedback was very helpful https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Jo_Cameron_Brown
Thanks pcmcreative (talk) 11:56, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
My draft
Hello! Thank you for reviewing my article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Lina_Khoury I have edited it and deleted the about plays section. I have summarized them and added a small paragraph in (career section). Should it be accepted now? And after it is accepted should I publish it online or it will be published automatically? Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Manar Wehbe (talk • contribs) 13:16, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
A cupcake for you!
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Thanks for approving my draft Mary Ann Hilliard article.
Happy Christmas and a cupcake to you Kaybeesquared (talk) 18:05, 23 December 2019 (UTC) |
You declined it as not satisfying notability and as an autobiography. Another account has submitted the identical draft. As you presumably know, this sort of sockpuppetry is annoyingly common at Articles for Creation, but usually easy to spot. Thank you for working on AFC. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:51, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
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The Editor's Barnstar |
| Thank you for editing the article on Susanna van Tonder! :) ContentForWiki (talk) 21:09, 23 December 2019 (UTC) |
A barnstar for you!
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The Original Barnstar |
| Hello! Thank you for accepting my Draft! My next question is : How can I move it to the article space? It still shows to the public that is it a draft!
Thank you a lot! Manar Wehbe (talk) 22:59, 23 December 2019 (UTC) |
