Talk:Val d'Aran

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In the last paragraph I wouldn't speak about Catalan. In Catalan we say "la Vall d'Aran", but all the official names of the zone are in aranès and "they" say "era"... if you visit the Catalan page about comarques (or the English withLa Selva and others) you'll see that a lot of them needs the article, and we don't speak about them in the English version ¿or yes?. If the site is in English, and doesn't exist an Engilsh name for Aran then the logical is to use the oficial name and this is in aranès. What say Catalan speaker is not important here, I think. Llull 17:58, 11 Apr 2004 (UTC)

While looking for further material for this, I noticed that an earlier version was almost identical to http://www.villa.spain-property-costa-blanca.com/index.php?cat=7. I have no I have no clue who might have plagiarized from whom. -- Jmabel 19:07, 23 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Romanians

I read somewhere (probably a newspaper I can't find) that 10-15% of the population of the valley is Romanian. Is it true? --Error 01:40, 31 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I answer myself:

Val d’Aran: Padrons Municipaus. Hereuèr 2005/Gèr 2006 has 9655 registered inhabitants for the valley in gèr (?) 2006, of which 1658 (17.7%) are foreigners. There are 388 Romanians (the most represented single ~~nationality~~ citizenship) and 13 Moldovans. I guess that the number of Romania-born Spanish citizens is not significative yet. Estudi Generau sus immigracion e lengua enes escòles dera Val d’Aran has a 9.34% of homes (mainatges) where Spanish languages are not the home language (there are two Basque speakers!).

--Error 02:27, 31 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

In Aranese, gèr is January; mainatges, children. --88.18.111.124 (talk) 03:29, 7 March 2010 (UTC) (Enric from Catalan Wikipedia)[reply]

Aran is not a pleonasm: Aran is NOT basque, comes from aranosios, a celtic tribe. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.27.204.206 (talk) 22:51, 12 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

autonomous region

The aranese people, that speak aranese, claim to be an autonomous region of Spain. 212.97.174.109 10:21, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What exactly does "claim to be" mean here? Do you have a citation for this? Because "autonomous region" in Spain has a well-defined legal meaning, and I see no indication that the Val d'Aran has ever even been considered for this status. - Jmabel | Talk 18:25, 16 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This should be renamed "Valh d'Aran", the Occitan name and the only name that is official. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 62.57.145.111 (talk • contribs) 19 February 2007.

Do you have a citation for that? "Valh d'Aran" gets barely 50 hits on Google; "Val d'Aran" gets over 400,000. While I'm usually skeptical about the Google test, this is a pretty overwhelming result. Offhand, none of the pages using "Valh d'Aran" look particularly official, while the spelling without the "h" is used even by the Conselh Generau d'Aran writing in Aranés (it's also where the article is in the article in the Occitan Wikipedia). - Jmabel | Talk 02:53, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No matter how many hits can google find, it doesnt make it the right name, it should be redirected to its correct name. JC | Talk 10:15, 19 September 2007 (PST)

"Val d'Aran" is the right name. Aranese has it's own normative rules that are not precisely the same as those for Occitan. No change needed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.54.228.240 (talk) 17:21, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Now restored throughout to "Val d'Aran". We should not be making up anglicisations, such as "Aran Valley". Skinsmoke (talk) 14:31, 24 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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I think we should rename the article to "Aran Valley"

I think we should rename the article to Aran Valley, because this is English Wikipedia, and in English is Aran Valley, Val d'Aran is the Occitan name. Michael Peter Fustumum (talk) 08:38, 12 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

recent move

I object to this recent move to "Aran, Catalonia". The area is know as "Val d'Aran", even in English, as such it should stay per WP:COMMONNAME. Vrac (talk) 01:11, 20 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I Agree. --Jotamar (talk) 17:54, 20 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

pinging the mover @Rwxrwxrwx: Vrac (talk) 21:25, 20 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. It is clear that that the official name of the "comarca" in both Catalan and Aranese, at least since last February, is "Aran", as shown here: [1] [2]

In English, the common name of the area occupied by the "comarca" would appear to be "Aran valley", which I see as a descriptive term meaning "the valley known as Aran". When I search for "aran valley" I get reasonable-quality hits, the first ones being: [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8]. When I search for "val d'aran", the top results are mainly low-quality content. I pay little attention to Google hit counts, as I have always found them misleading.

However, if I am outnumbered here by people with local knowledge, I won't object if it gets changed back. Maybe there are political sensitivities there, which I have no interest in getting involved in.

Rwxrwxrwx (talk) 21:27, 20 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

New York Times, The Guardian, El País, BBC...these are what I would consider high-quality sources. The area also happens to be an administrative division officially called "Aran", but that is only one aspect of the geographical area known is as "Val d'Aran". That they have changed the name doesn't mean WP should per COMMONNAME. "Aran Valley" already exists as a redirect so that base is covered. Vrac (talk) 21:51, 20 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

One of only two areas of contiguous Spain ... located on the northern side of the Pyrenees

This is not correct, there are at least two more, both in Navarra/Nafarroa and both west of Luzaide/Valcarlos: first, the area around Zugarramurdi, Urdazubi/Urdax and part of Baztan and second, to the west, a small part of Bera. You can look it up on Openstreetmap. The Occitan page appears to go a step further and says it's the only Spanish area on the northern side, my Occitan is a bit rusty though. The Catalan, Spanish and French pages on Val d'Aran don't mention it being one of only two (or four) areas lying on the northern side, I think this statement and reference 1 should be removed and the paragraph should be rephrased. It is correct that Val d'aran is the only area in Catalunya, on the northern side of the Pyrenees, but is that worth mentioning? The Catalan, Spanish and French pages don't and only mention it lying on the northern side. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a02:a461:e1e:1:21b:fcff:fe75:6ade (talk • contribs) 17:15, 23 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah the claim that it's one of only two areas doesn't even have an actual source, just a little note. I think the article should still note that Val d'Aran is north of the Pyrenees and even that it's the only such area in Catalonia, but the claim that it's one of only two (or any particular number) in all of Spain should be removed. Erinius (talk) 07:44, 24 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The fact of being north of the watershed is relevant in many aspects: language, weather type, folklore, communications, ... --Jotamar (talk) 23:57, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that it's relevant, I just removed the apparently untrue reference to it being the only area in Spain north of the Pyrenees. I kept the mention that it is north of the Pyrenees and that it's the only such area in Catalonia. Erinius (talk) 01:21, 4 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

After reading the page on Northern Catalonia and visiting Openstreetmap again, it turns out Val d'Aran is not even the only valley in Catalunya lying north of the Pyrenees, most of Northern Catalonia lies on the northern side. It is the only valley that drains into the Atlantic though. I propose to replace the first two sentences of the second alinea with the part between braces, making the opening sentence of the second alinea:

The valley is characterized by an Atlantic climate, instead of a Mediterranean one.

Folowed by what's already there:

The Garonne river... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a02:a461:e1e:1:21b:fcff:fe75:6ade (talk • contribs) 05:37, 9 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]