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Proposed split of List of Pokémon anime characters

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Inactive talk page over at List of Pokémon anime characters, so I'm putting it here as well. (Please respond at the source page, linked directly below)

Section 'Article Split' not found

Category:Anime and manga set in Japan

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Japan is often the default setting for both anime and manga, since both are from there. I don't see why this category can't be a container category for all the future categories about prefectures within Japan. This, in my opinion, should be moved to Category:Anime and manga set in Japan by prefecture. SimonLagann (talk) 13:51, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Crunchyroll

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I was analyzing many sources and news coverage about more than 200 pages of anime series and movies that for the first time are currently or previously streamed on Crunchyroll, well I just realized that all the time that I make those edits was change the term of "licensed the series" to "streamed the series" both in the anime infobox and in the section below where exactly it said what the media streaming company acquires the distribution rights from Japanese studios and companies for streaming in select countries worldwide outside of Asia (but includes East Asia and the Indian subcontinent) for the seasons that would be premiered this year, but there is a user called Xexerss who denies the reality of what that the blocked user Imperial meter (which is a sockpuppet of the user Silence of Lambs) made was altering the article by repeatedly linking with the parent company of the same name as if it had no relevance here, if it had relevance here is because no one pays attention to the introduction of the initial paragraph of the original article before and after making those unnecessary changes because its parent company does not have the right to licensing anime series for a release on home video directly but currently operates the streaming service after its merger with Funimation since 2022. 190.166.83.153 (talk) 03:10, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is about the sixth time I will repeat the same thing. This has nothing to do with the edits of Imperial meter. The problem is that you keep changing indiscriminately in every article the links from Crunchyroll LLC (the company) to Crunchyroll (the streaming service) even in cases where the series have clearly not been licensed only to be streamed and are sources supporting the fact that they were released on home video by them. I am not "denying reality", I'm just telling you to find out on a case by case basis how Crunchyroll handles the licensing of each series. I personally don't see the problem of using terms like "license" or "streaming rights" when Crunchyroll is the only company that distributes a series in English-speaking territories, because logically to have the permission to stream it they had to have licensed it in the first place, but I understand leaving just "streaming" when there is another company that handles the distribution of a series in other formats. The latter is debatable, and I will not object if it is simply left as "streaming", as you have been doing, if it is decided that we should stick to using that term. Anyway, thanks for agreeing to start a discussion regarding this. Xexerss (talk) 04:44, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That is not the case, first we are going to solve this problem quickly by following the steps of the banned user, using the Efn template as an explanatory note or a quote depending on the reference that was used both from the infobox and the section below at the end of references and followed of external links about the fact that Crunchyroll's parent company has managed to license anime series and movies for release on home video directly all the time since its merger with Funimation in 2022. 190.166.83.153 (talk) 23:11, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Why should we follow the steps of a banned user whose notes didn't include any reference anyway? If Crunchyroll has released the series in home video format, it clearly indicates that the licensee extends beyond streaming and it would make sense to link the article of the company instead of the streaming service. Indicating in the infobox that Crunchyroll (streaming service) has the license of a series, along with an explanatory note indicating that Crunchyroll (the company) has the home distribution rights as well, is just ridiculous, and it is simpler to indicate that the company has the license for the series (without superfluous notes), which wouldn't be false anyway, so I still don't understand your insistence on changing this in every article. I'm getting tired of trying to reason with you, and it's not just me who's getting fed up with this, as I've seen other editors constantly reverting similar edits on your part in various anime and manga articles, so it's obvious that you are doing whatever you want on some whim without giving a reasonable argument. Just like the issue regarding date templates addressed at your talk page, it seems to me that you're not understanding what is being said to you here. My point is, if the large company has the distribution rights to the series in home video format, then why should we limit to indicate that the streaming service owned by the large company is streaming the series instead of directly stating that the company has licensed it? By your logic, does a streaming service carry more weight than a company whose license extends beyond streaming, even if said streaming service is operated by the very own company that also distributes it in home video format? Xexerss (talk) 01:07, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know and I don't understand what you mean, I was just trying to tell you nicely that don't you repeatedly link to the article from a streaming service with the namesake parent company instead of adding the efn template so that you can better explain to the users who used to see and edit anime and manga series' article to avoid from many getting confused by compairing with another topic related to media company or an entertainment enterprise, I give you an example here, an IP indicates that Crunchyroll (streaming service) acquires video distribution rights and streams a series, and adds a note along indicating that Crunchyroll LLC (a parent company which also operates this service) licensed an anime series for a home video release directly for North America, followed by the United Kingdom and Ireland through its division Crunchyroll UK and Ireland and in Australia through its division Crunchyroll Pty. Ltd. 190.166.83.153 (talk) 03:40, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It seems excessive to me to add so many notes with sources that do not even mention the series in question. I wouldn't be surprised if those notes were added anonymously by Imperial meter, given that it's same kind of notes that they used to add in several anime articles. In any case, I suggest you to get familiarized with WP:OTHERCONTENT and note that not all articles have to structure this kind of information in the same way. What I'm saying is very simple: if Crunchyroll only has the rights to stream the series, let's leave the link to the article of the streaming service. If Crunchyroll has the rights for both streaming and home video release, let's leave the link to the company (company that owns the namesake streaming service), what's so complicated to understand? Xexerss (talk) 03:58, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So it doesn't help you if you leave it linked like this because I explained it wrong without thinking and repeatedly about the same topic in asking you to first find well out the news coverage indicating that if the streaming media company acquires those video distribution rights of a Japanese animated television series and stream it in select territories globally outside of Asia and East Asia; before making this change because I'm tell you that an entertainment company which currently operates the service would not be dedicated to managing the licensing for the home video release of some selected titles internally. 190.166.83.153 (talk) 06:41, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The streaming service is operated by one company. It doesn't matter if it releases a series on home video in one or more territories, it is already inferred that they are the ones who have the license for the series in the English-speaking territories where it operates. Your logic is simply "Crunchyroll released the series on home video here, but not there, therefore Crunchyroll doesn't have the license, it's just streaming it", which simply ridiculous and you're the only one I've seen that is so insistent on defending this stance. In any case, perhaps in particular cases of which I'm not aware at the moment, most of the series that are distributed on home video in North America are also released in other English-speaking territories where the company operates (since 2022 at least). My Home Hero for example: NA, UK, and AUS; considering that these are the three main English-speaking regions where the company operates, I think it's safe to say that Crunchyroll has effectively licensed the series and is not simply available for streaming. The 'licensee' parameter of the infobox is for English licensees (per Template:Infobox animanga), so it doesn't matter if the company just streams the series in other non-English speaking territories where it operates. When the parameter simply shows "Crunchyroll" without specifying the territory (AUS, NA, UK (or BI)) is not necessarily to indicate that Crunchyroll has licensed the series worldwide, but that it has licensed it in those main three territories, and therefore there is no need to include in the infobox something like "AUS = Crunchyroll; NA = Crunchyroll; UK = Crunchyroll". If the company has not acquired a series just for streaming, why would we state otherwise? Xexerss (talk) 07:43, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Did you reverse my edit on Shangri-La Frontier's article without anyone else noticing about the rumours that Crunchyroll would launch the series on home video and do you have any evidence that the anime series which Crunchyroll would select for some type of release in physical format on internal home video apart from its distribution partners? 190.166.83.153 (talk) 21:43, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And that explains your logic very well, why several of the series that are currently available on the streaming platform are included the name in what credited to Crunchyroll as a distribution studio which appears in its Blu-Ray specifications list in its store, as if they were distributing internally to home video. 190.166.83.153 (talk) 22:02, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I left the link to the streaming service article, although I'm sure they will release the series in home video format at some point. By the way, note that I was not the one who added the link to the company this time. Xexerss (talk) 22:03, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, but if it wasn't you who sent you to add the link to the company, who was? 190.166.83.153 (talk) 22:15, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
because the articles that I was edited about Crunchyroll anime were not like this since Funimation's anime titles that was listing as now available on Crunchyroll for download in home video format from the beginning of June 2022, or am I wrong. 190.166.83.153 (talk) 22:26, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I don't quite know what you mean. I've only been adding links to the the article about the company in articles of series that I've verified that have been released on home video by them. Xexerss (talk) 22:45, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You can check the edit history of the article yourself. Personally, I would not object if someone changed it back to the company's article, since I don't see much reason to think that the series has not been effectively licensed by Crunchyroll, but I'm not planning to start an edit warring over this. I would prefer to know more points of view regarding this matter instead of the two of us continuing to argue. Xexerss (talk) 22:39, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Let's see, I'm thinking of moving a bit of history to the end of the initial paragraph of the original article when it began to be introduced and do it to the article of an entertainment company so that it looks better, but I don't know how to improve the topic on releasing titles on home video directly or ever selected titles released through its distribution partners first things first, I need you to move the page from Crunchyroll LLC to Crunchyroll (company) because I would be worried if I saw the description within or through Google search. 190.166.83.153 (talk) 23:04, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's a different matter from what we are discussing here, and I cannot move the article just like that; that should be discussed in the specific article and requires the participation of more editors to reach a consensus. Xexerss (talk) 23:59, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
OK! Where do I start? 190.166.83.153 (talk) 00:10, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Apart from unlinking several articles from manga series and light novels that will always receive anime in the year in which it will premiere in Japan and then transmit it on multiple streaming services depending on each country and region globally. 190.166.83.153 (talk) 00:20, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And don't mention the same issue of home video that Crunchyroll (the company) does all the time so that no more edits are reversed. 190.166.83.153 (talk) 00:30, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
" that doesn't help you link for each article in which you modify it between a streaming company and an entertainment company which focuses on licensing, mercandising and home video in one more than once." What is this supposed to mean? I mean that seriously, because I'm having trouble trying to decipher what your reasoning is. Why don't you think it is appropriate to link the article of Crunchyroll LLC when the series is licensed for home video release? Excuse me, but I'm clearly reading here "Licensed by Crunchyroll, LLC", so what's the damn problem with linking the company instead of the streaming service? If I keep repeating the "not just for streaming" thing, it's because I have yet to see a single coherent or minimally reasonable argument from you explaining why it would be wrong to link the company article instead of the streaming service article when the series is released on home video. Take the time to search on Crunchyroll Store the series that have been released on home video by it. If you check the images of the back covers you will read "Licensed by Crunchyroll, LLC" (just like in Planetes). And now I am puzzled by what you did here. What part of the article or which source suggests that Nier: Automata Ver1.1a is licensed by Aniplex of America through Crunchyroll LLC? I'm getting more and more confused with your edits. In other words, it seems illogical to you that a series that has been acquired to be released in physical format includes the link of a company, which is precisely in charge of the license and distribution of a series in physical format, but it does seem logical to you to link the very same company when it has nothing to do with the license of a series and there is no evidence to support such a statement in the article? Xexerss (talk) 02:40, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You know what, you're right, the foto links that you previous showed me about the upcoming home video release of multiple anime series that are licensed by Crunchyroll LLC and the Crunchyroll logo are registered trademarks, all rights reserved, but look, the problem is that you prefer to link to an article from a streaming service instead of an entertainment company to multiple articles selected for the aforementioned launch in which you want, I mean, I was trying to compare many anime series outside of Crunchyroll and its parent company with Netflix and Amazon, which also streamed the series globally by acquiring all anime distribution rights from Japanese animation studios and companies that produce it, but it is not about companies that are dedicated to the distribution and licensing of the same and would release it internally on home videos for the United States and Canada, and the truth is that I am quite confused about the same issue as I don't know anything else about this orange distributor or distribution company that acts as the streaming service.
By the way, actually about the anime series Nier: Automata Ver1.1a, it's not me who put the Efn template as a note to the article that indicates that it was through Crunchyroll LLC that used to share licenses which made me a little curious, it was the banned user who allegedly placed that Efn template in the article that I modified long ago, is for the consolidation of its international anime streaming businesses that Sony Pictures Television and Aniplex did years ago under the creation of a joint company, Funimation Global Group, LLC., which allowed the acquisition and distribution of many of the titles with Aniplex subsidiaries Wakanim, Madman Anime and AnimeLab, and well, you know the whole story. 190.166.83.153 (talk) 21:00, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion surrounding the evaluation of Lycoris Recoil

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Good afternoon I would like to ask other users to help us in my dispute with Nguyen280405 around Lycoris Recoil. The user insists that the text "mixed rating" in the professional criticism section should be changed to "mixed-positive" because their own calculating the verage number of ANN's editorial reviews for the premiere episode showed 3.2 and since they considers this rating to be above average, the user believes that we have to change the description. I considered this to be original research, since the resource does not determine the average number in the premiere review scores, not to mention that the figure of 3.2 seems too average for such conclusions. But the users did not agree with me and, as you can see, further discussion simply stalled. In particular, they believe that with this approach, the "mixed score" can also be considered original research. So I ask third-party users to leave their opinions and, if possible, somehow resolve our dispute, I will not mind if some other more experienced user thinks that I was completely or partially wrong. The article was already at risk of starting an edit war, so I want to refrain from acting alone after the last compromise edit. Solaire the knight (talk) 13:38, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The user would also like to ask more experienced users to add a general summary of the review of the ANN show to the critical section, since at the moment the section only covers the premiere collective review and the review of the first 3-4 episodes of ANN and AF. So, I'm posting their request here. Solaire the knight (talk) 13:38, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's a good idea. Here's some I found:
Also, the series was listed in poll results by ANN viewers, and nominated for awards held by Crunchyroll (I think the series won). Also, the series influenced the name of a "modern entropy coder" (whatever that is), as noted on page 40 of this article, mentioned on page 2 of the Bulletin of the Tohoku University of Art and Design (published in March of this year), mentioned on page 76 of a doctoral thesis by a Italian student and mentioned on page 25 of a German-language thesis (the translation I got of those pages is: "...to establish a more direct connection to amae, upbringing and individualism, the protagonist of the anime Lycoris Recoil...Chisato Nishikigi is a good example. The world in Lycoris Recoil resembles a utopia in which crime and terror in Japan seem to have disappeared. Although criminal structures still exist, a secret organization uses so-called Lycoris to create the impression that crime and terror have been completely defeated.") [the analysis goes on to page 26]
I did search on Anime Feminist, but only found nothing beyond the existing ones already in the reception section (there is a "2022 Summer Premiere Digest" post, but that just pulls from the episode 1 review...). Here's the page for all the ANN episode reviews for the series.
There's probably more out there, but all of this is enough to improve the reception section. Historyday01 (talk) 13:52, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your promptness, I think this will serve as an excellent list for further work on the section. I apologize for the request if you had other plans, but could you duplicate this list in the future on the article's talk page as “additional links”? I don’t know if you want to finish the section yourself and I don’t want to be impudent and directly ask you to do this, so I think that duplicating your comment would simply make it easier for any users to organize further work on the article. Solaire the knight (talk) 14:08, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, I'll definitely do that. Historyday01 (talk) 14:27, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also, in the Vietnamese Wikipedia, there are 3 English language sources. I think we should add those. Nguyen280405 (talk) 17:12, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Isn't there a bluray box that contains all Lycoris Recoil episodes and has been reviewed? That would help to make more general overviews of the series rather than relying of one episode reviews.Tintor2 (talk) 23:11, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I haven't heard of this, but I think it could be a great solution. Now all that remains is to find an experienced user who will make a summary of this that suits everyone and add text to the section. Solaire the knight (talk) 01:12, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe in a Japanese publication? I didn't see any review of the Blu-ray box from my search but... there are enough links which I mentioned above, so I think its fine. Historyday01 (talk) 14:28, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think you'll find these in a Japanese publication. Most Japanese reviews will be on review aggregator sites but as far as "critics" go, it's difficult to find any mainstream publication featuring them (possibly due to how they can be interpreted as defamatory and rude towards creators). lullabying (talk) 03:11, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I see. Well, in any case, there's enough links I provided above, that I think it will be fine. Historyday01 (talk) 13:13, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ten no Hate Made – Poland Hishi - are there any Japanese sources?

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This is a translation of my article about Japanese manga, one of the very few that concern Poland, that I wrote on pl wiki. I nominated in for GA as I based this on a comprehensive analysis of Polish sources (the manga got some reviews in Poland, and even some mentions in academic works). However, it has no ja wiki article, and I am not fluent enough in Japanese to even confirm whether there are any RS about it in that language. If anyone would care to help on this, I'd appreciate it. Oh, and to make this cooler, I'll mention that this is a side-story to much better known The Rose of Versailles. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 01:07, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Amber Lee Connors in Zom 100

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Amber Lee Connors appears in episode 10-12 in the dub for the anime Zom 100: Bucket List Of The Dead. But this has not been added into the Amber's list of anime's she played in

Amber plays the character Ayumi, The episode 10-12 were released in December 25th 2023 to December 26th 2023 Speedrunningkfc (talk) 12:37, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I have nominated Bleach season 1 for featured list removal. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured list criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks; editors may declare to "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. RunningTiger123 (talk) 00:52, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination of Light novel as a Level 5 Vital Article

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I have nominated Light novel to be included as a level 5 vital article on Wikipedia talk:Vital articles/Level/5/Society. I believe that they are important as a broad concept as they heavily influence Japanese media, which is increasingly popular globally. Please join the discussion if interested. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 19:47, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Limits of using anime reviews as a source

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I was comfortable with the explanation that reviews of a show can provide basic information or be used to write acceptance of the show, but not to confirm non-obvious or controversial information. But more and more often I see people refer to reviews as confirmation of the canonicity of certain things or their interpretation. Can someone explain this point to me, including the limits of using anime reviews as a source? This is especially sensitive, since often the other option in the absence of direct words from the author can only be some chapters or scenes, but as you understand, in non-obvious cases, none of us can give any assessments of the things happening in them.

As an example of the consequences of this, I can point to the infamous "anti-capitalist" G-Witch debates (one of many debates surrounding an article about this show), where users spent several years arguing over rating a show as anti-capitalist based on reviews without the author directly using such language, or the current low-intensity debates surrounding Kanoujo mo Kanoujo, where users try to describe one of the characters as bisexual based on a fan theory that was supported by reviewers. As you can see, this all very quickly turns into a fan debate where people argue about the interpretation or assessment of certain things while we lack both a primary source (the word of God) and essentially a secondary one (reviews cannot be a source about author's intentions) Solaire the knight (talk) 23:34, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have always been a firm believer in "if a creator has not said it, then it should never be treated as a fact". It doesn't matter if the most reliable reviewer of all time wrote something as if it were a fact, or if a college professor wrote a paper on it, if it's not obvious in the work or outright stated by a creator, then it is nothing but one opinion and opinions must be attributed in the text; "John Doe of AnimeisCool.com found G-Witch to have an anti-capitalist message". This lets the reader know it is not a fact. Like you said, this is for things that can be considered controversial, or "likely to be challenged" as Wikipedia likes to use. Xfansd (talk) 00:43, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That is, even if one opinion is dominant or widely held (for example, the view about misogyny in the original UC Gundam), we still have to describe it as a critical opinion to make it clear to the reader that this is an assessment and not something objective and directly recognized? Solaire the knight (talk) 01:11, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In that specific Gundam example, I say yes. I am personally unfamiliar with all of the examples you have cited (after a quick search on Wikipedia I saw no current mention of anything like that about Gundam), but we're talking about controversial views here, and I don't see how labeling something "misogynistic" could not be seen as controversial. WP:INTEXT provides a warning about how poorly worded in-text attribution could fail to give due weight to the majority view, but that just means it has to be worded properly. Xfansd (talk) 04:27, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is a common criticism of the first UC titles, as Tomino often "abused" female characters in order to show the cruelty of war and its hostility to women. Of course, Tomino has explained this more than once in interviews and has never shown a negative attitude towards women (for example, he has always been positive about the influence of fujoshi on the popularity of the franchise), but many people still try to attribute this to his potential misogyny. Solaire the knight (talk) 11:18, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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