[WikiEN-l] Re: "Total failure of mediation process"

[Anthere]

I would like to insist on where private mediation could be helpful here

The last two messages of Robert and Martin were very interesting, as they
1) laid down their major grief toward each other
2) summarize what they both request
2) justify their making this request

Robert is quite upset of the existence of Martin subpage, listing the 
people Robert had strong disagreement with.
Martin is quite upset of the very strong words used by Robert toward 
himself and wikipedians in general.

Robert would like that the page be removed.
Martin would like that Robert to apology.

The existence of Martin page seems to be "inappropriate" as regards 
wikilove or wikietiquette rules.
The use of the very strong words seems to be "inappropriate" as regards 
wikilove or wikietiquette rules.


If they could agree on a mediator to act as a buffer, that would be 
constructive.

And that would avoid that the discussion is disturbed by usage of "bad" 
words which can only trigger irritation and spoil the process.


Anthere

Martin Harper a écrit:
> Dear Robert "fuck you sick Nazi bastards" Kaiser,
> 
> You have alleged that I have "refused to mediate". This allegation is incorrect. I 
> remain entirely happy to accept mediation. TUF-KAT was the first to volunteer for 
> mediation, and I have already accepted his assistance, pending your agreement to 
> his acting as mediator. Additionally, you yourself suggested LittleDan as a mediator, 
> and I have indicated that he would also be acceptable to me, after he reassured me 
> on a few points of detail.
> 
> I believe that I am awaiting a response from you indicating your acceptance of either 
> LittleDan or TUF-KAT as our mediator.
> 
> I do not have a "secret agenda". I have previously publically stated my goals for 
> resolving the conflict between you and myself. I was cautious about restating them in 
> public, since I felt that doing so might inflame the situation, though I have always 
> been happy to do so in private, with you and a mutually agreed mediator. However, 
> given your concerns on this point, I am happy to publically outline my objectives for 
> mediation:
> 
> 1) Robert to, publically and unreservedly, apologise for and retract the recent email 
> he sent to the wikien-l list, calling Wikipedia "Nazipedia".
> 
> 2) Robert to, publically and unreservedly, apologise for and retract and cease his 
> completely unfounded accusations and insinuations that I agree with, or support, 
> Nazism, anti-Semitism, or similar bigotry, in any way.
> 
> 3) Robert to, publically and unreservedly, apologise for and retract and cease his 
> accusations that my conduct on Wikipedia in any way constitutes "censorship" or 
> "harassment" of his good self.
> 
> 4) Robert to accept that calling long-standing Wikipedians, editing in good faith,  
> "vandals", "censors", or in need of being banned, is not appropriate behaviour; 
> Robert to agree to henceforth cease such behaviour.
> 
> 5) Resolution of certain other, more minor, points of contention.
> 
> I trust that this response is sufficient to allay any concerns you might have regarding 
> the mediation process. If you wish me to expand on any of these points, publically or 
> privately, I will be happy to do so.
> 
> Thank you for your time.
> -Martin "MyRedDice" Harper