Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Craig Call Black

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The result was Keep. (non-admin closure) Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 11:46, 12 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Craig Call Black

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Cannot see that this paleontologist and academic meets WP:NACADEMIC. Cannot find WP:SIGCOV. Tacyarg (talk) 23:26, 5 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy Keep subject seems to satisfy multiple specific criteria for WP:NACADEMIC and they only need to meet one. Horse Eye Jack (talk) 16:46, 6 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: As not notable. There are three obituaries or memorials, Albuquerque Journal, Society of Vertebrate Paleontology News Bulletin, and the Geological Society of America (dead link). There was indication the subject was a "noted paleontologist". It is stated that he "published extensively on the evolution of Cenozoic mammals" but I couldn't find anything more than the name C. C. Black and obituaries do not advance notability. The reference "A new owl from the Eocene of Wyoming" list two pages but there is just slight passing mention of the name "Craig C. Black" at the very end. The position of being a member of the National Science Board is not notable. Just having references on an article does not advance notability. I "could not find one source" to come close to satisfying any part of WP:NACADEMIC. Searches included Google, Google Scholar even under "rodents and artiodactyls of North America and Africa", as a paleobiologist (Papers in vertebrate paleontology honoring Robert Warren Wilson), under vertebrate paleontology, different name spellings, Google books, and "The National Academies Press". Sourcing is still a fundamental criteria for inclusion, that there be significant coverage in reliable and independent sources, and I could not find that this is satisfied. Otr500 (talk) 13:05, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Did your google book searches bring up books.google.com/books/about/A_Review_of_the_North_American_Tertiary.html?id=N-yxNQAACAAJ,books.google.com/books/about/Papers_on_Fossil_Rodents_in_Honor_of_Alb.html?id=NeEaTzcyLqYC, and books.google.com/books/about/History_and_prehistory_of_the_Lubbock_La.html?id=j_MqAQAAIAAJ? I also get www.worldcat.org/title/new-pareumys-rodentia-cylindrodontidae-from-the-duchesne-river-formation-utah/oclc/211704 on world cat which appears to be a widely held title. Horse Eye Jack (talk) 17:24, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Having an obituary in a publication of a professional organization is usually a clue that the academic is notable. The ftp site for that document was dead because the material had been moved, and the correct link is now in the article. According to the obit Black was elected a fellow of the Geological Society of America, meeting criteria #3 of WP:ACADEMIC. Finding published sources for influential curators and educators is difficult. Usually we have to rely on awards and elected society fellowships. StarryGrandma (talk) 21:36, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy Keep (changed from above): I cringe sometimes when I see that AFD is not clean up. An argument that we should have articles written from obituaries (or accept them as clues because finding sources are difficult) is not likely one of the better ones I have seen for notability. That is why there is a sourcing requirements and not automatic or inherent notability. The searches I performed was on information I saw (or couldn't see because of a dead link) and was flawed. The sources added allow others to verify information and I was able to also find an author, William W. Korth, that referred to the subject (for example, see Black, 1965) more than once. What is shown now is far better than what looked like a memorial article written primarily from obituaries. To me the article surpasses "clues" of notability or "seems to satisfy..." comments and if User:Tacyarg agrees would likely allow for a "Speedy Keep". Otr500 (talk) 06:43, 9 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
keep I'm by no means a subject matter expert on this topic, but the article seems to be well-sourced with material that passes the general notability guideline.--Paul McDonald (talk) 15:39, 9 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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