Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/TSJ FC Virginia

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The result was redirect‎ to Women's Premier Soccer League. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:58, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

TSJ FC Virginia

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Fails WP:NORG and WP:GNG as a youth soccer team. All of the coverage in the article is either about the Washington Spirit or is a primary press release, or an article on a former player which only briefly mentions the organisation. There is a WPSL section, but a third tier soccer team in the USA wouldn't necessarily pass WP:GNG, and I can't find any information on them either. SportingFlyer T·C 00:16, 10 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Football and Virginia. SportingFlyer T·C 00:16, 10 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 11:07, 10 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to 2006 WPSL season, only claim to fame. Giant Snowman 21:53, 10 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I expanded this article after stumbling on it in a few different contexts and noticing it hadn't been updated since around 2009. I don't oppose deletion. I disagree with GiantSnowman that the one-year existence in WPSL is its only or most notable trait since there's even less coverage available of that than the first Burke abuse allegations or the Torres hiring controversy, which are connected to what happened at the Spirit but about FCV. Its connections as the youth club of a few senior USWNT players are also more notable than the one WPSL season, though not enough on its own for GNG. Most of the content for the WPSL season is also unsourced, and I can't find sources for it.

I'd rather summarize this article's contents in a separate article about The St. James (sports complex), which has considerably more IS/RS/SIGCOV (USA Today; Northern Virginia Magazine 1, 2, Washington Business Journal 1, 2; The Athletic on the Spirit bid; plus RS but likely non-IS NBC Sports on its MLS DC United partnership; Washingtonian 1, 2, 3, 4; and all the cited SoccerWire and W&M mag content) and then redirect this and the old article title F.C. Virginia to that. -Socccc (talk) 23:49, 12 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have no opposition to either of these options, though the Spirit controversy only seems very tangentially about the team. SportingFlyer T·C 00:21, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The initial allegations against Burke of using abusive language toward players was reported by a parent of a FCV player, and those alleged incidents occurred entirely while Burke was at FCV and before the Spirit hired him. FCV hired Torres well after Torres had exited the Spirit. Both of those events got significant, independent, and reliable coverage in the context of FCV, particularly Burke's alleged abuse at FCV (Burke 1 with out-of-market print syndication, 2; Torres). But I don't disagree that if FCV isn't already notable on its own, then that alone doesn't make it so.

The St. James bid for the Spirit is admittedly tangential as context for the connections between TSJ, FCV, and the Spirit, and better served between the Spirit's article and an article about The St. James org/complex, not FCV. -Socccc (talk) 02:16, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Draft for an article on The St. James, which summarizes FC Virginia, its acquisition, and connections to the Spirit, is at Draft:The St. James (sports complex). If approved for AfC, I'd suggest redirecting to that article. If not approved, I suggest redirecting to Women's Premier Soccer League, which lists it, and categorizing the redirect under Category:Elite Clubs National League teams to capture the youth soccer context. -Socccc (talk) 02:21, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Draft passed AfC and is live at The St. James (sports complex). -Socccc (talk) 15:27, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel (talk) 23:02, 17 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
There is support for a Redirect but different target articles offered. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:49, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

A redirect to Women's Premier Soccer League is the best option because it is listed as a team, whereas in 2006 WPSL season it is listed as a participant. Karnataka (talk) 17:48, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.