User talk:Tamzin

Hello there. Please feel welcome to tell me anything I'm doing wrong... or right, but I care more about improving on what I'm bad at than knowing what I'm good at.

Unless you ask otherwise, I will respond to your messages here and leave talkback notices at your respective pages. I tend to think in a very technical way, and I like things to flow well, so if you request that I respond at your page, I will, but I may also post my response here, for continuity's sake.

General maintenance disclaimer: I may alter the basic style of your comments (placement, indentation, etc.) or clarify what you're referring to (in which case such an intervention would be tagged with my own signature), but I will never make any alterations to the actual substance of said comments, all in keeping with WP:TPO.

Oh and here's my archive.

For stuff I'm proud of, an overview of who I am, and any conversations not found here or at the archive, please see my main page.

(You can call me "Francophonie&Androphilie," "Franco&Andro," "F&A," "Franco" [also the username of an account with no logged contributions] "Francophonie" [also the username of an inactive and blocked account], or "Tom." If, for any reason, you want to link to my userpage or user talk page, to save time you can just write "User:F&" or "User talk:F&A," respectively, as they're redirects.)

 — Francophonie&Androphilie (Je vous invite à me parler)

A cup of coffee for you!

FC Mika – finally! Happy vandalism fighting! The Anonymouse (talk • contribs) 08:03, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

A welcome respite, friend. Tsk tsk tsk to all you admins out there, whatever you have better to do with your time at 3 AM than reverting vandalism. He took up a whole page of the edit history! And check my edit count - FC Mika is now my most-edited article. (Though that's probably a sign I should actually do some content edits every now and then.) — Francophonie&Androphilie^{(Je vous invite à me parler)} 08:08, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Shout-outs as well to Legoktm for finding an awake admin, and, of course, to Patar knight for actually blocking the guy. — Francophonie&Androphilie^{(Je vous invite à me parler)} 08:11, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

FC Mika? Boooooooooring. Drmies (talk) 06:51, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

I gotta say, that guy showed a helluvalotta determination, for vandalism that was 80% pointless. I mean, I've seen people really go at it, but that's normally over BLPs or user talk pages, and usually is a lot more profane/angry. Also showed no interest in coming after my page, despite the 12 reverts, 4 warnings, and AIV report. And even when he got himself a different IP, he just went right back to hitting the Mika page! Of course, you're European, Doc, so maybe you can see what could get someone so excited about soccer; for that matter, you're straight, so maybe you can see what could get someone so excited about sports in general. ;) — Francophonie&Androphilie^{(Je vous invite à me parler)} 06:59, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

If any admins are awake and watching this page...

...and want to increase their admin-log block count by 25, here ya go. — Francophonie&Androphilie^{(Je vous invite à me parler)} 09:26, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Diligence
	Wow... great work assembling and matching up that entire drawer of socks! Tgeairn (talk) 10:10, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! In the case of this vandal, I've never seen so much technical ability combined with so little efficacy in vandalism. Second time in two days (see above) I've faced off against someone who could've wreaked havoc on my userpage, and instead just made the same dumb edits over and over again. — Francophonie&Androphilie^{(Je vous invite à me parler)} 10:16, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

Request

Hi Francophonie&Androphilie: Since you had agreed [1] that the Natalie Khawam page could be redirected to the main Petraeus scandal article where there is a section about her, you may want to chime in at Talk:Natalie Khawam#Edit request on 10 December 2012. Thank you, IZAK (talk) 09:53, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Saw this right after I posted my reply. Incidentally, I'm actually the one who created the redirect, and left the note saying that it should not be turned into an article without consensus. I assume that note was the basis under which it was protected. I have no opinion on the decision to protect, myself. — Francophonie&Androphilie^{(Je vous invite à me parler)} 10:01, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

I've also revised Natalie Khawam Wolfe to reflect the section title change. — Francophonie&Androphilie^{(Je vous invite à me parler)} 10:07, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Dilogy

Hi, have a look at de:Mehrteiler, e.g. Since Dilogy stems from an ancient greek word (just like the line of trilogy tetralogy, etc.) there should be plenty of source, so I do not see the point in picking one random, possibly not-best source for quotation. Also, you might have a look at [2] --84.185.81.72 (talk) 01:36, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Yup. Sorry. That was a dumb revert on my part. I've restored your revision. Someone should probably throw up citations for all of the ones there other than trilogy, but there was no reason for me to single your edit out. — Francophonie&Androphilie^{(Je vous invite à me parler)} 01:43, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Proof of proxy/sockpuppetry of IP foe

OP blocked for harrassment, sockpuppetry, etc.

Bonjour, please see: http://whatismyipaddress.com/ip/220.255.2.142 and note the following: ":IP: 220.255.2.142 Decimal: 3707699854 Hostname: proxy-220-255-2-142.singnet.com.sg ISP: SingNet Pte Ltd Organization: SingNet Pte Ltd Services: Confirmed proxy server Recently reported forum spam source. (1) Type: Broadband Assignment: Static IP Blacklist: Geolocation Information Country: Singapore City: Singapore Latitude: 1.2931 Longitude: 103.8558" Note, "Confirmed proxy server". Thanks for your understanding. 142.161.182.190 (talk) 02:28, 11 December 2012 (UTC) It may have something to do with this. Regardless, the IP has never denied being the same person as those adjacent IPs. Furthermore, as you'll see here, the IP admitted to being the same person as the user with the other IPs. So no sockpuppetry concerns. — Francophonie&Androphilie(Je vous invite à me parler) 02:37, 11 December 2012 (UTC) (talk page stalker) To further comment: sockpuppetry requires an intention to deceive or otherwise harm the encyclopedia; I see no such intention on the part of your "IP foe". I do for you; it's pretty obvious that you are an IP sock, and evading your block is enough deception on your part to constitute sock puppetry, even apart from other concerns with your editing. However, I've decided not to block (though of course that can be overruled by any other admin at any time) and instead temporarily semi-protected the page, so that IP editors can't edit it. If you really want to improve the encyclopedia, now is a perfect time to discuss without reverting. If not, well, not much more to be said. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 02:48, 11 December 2012 (UTC) Well put. A few more talk page stalkers like you, Writ, and I'll have as exciting a page as Drmies.... Well, perhaps not quite as exciting. His reminds me of descriptions of 19th-Century Parisian salons. Incidentally, I'm afraid I'm responsible for the "IP foe" label. — Francophonie&Androphilie(Je vous invite à me parler) 03:02, 11 December 2012 (UTC) Socking or not, it is block evasion. Blocked. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 15:49, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

City image montages

Hello. I'm new to Wikipedia and I was just wondering if you could inform me how to make an info-box montage for a city? Is there any particular photo editing program required? 124.177.186.253 (talk) 05:11, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Hmm. I actually have no clue. It's possible some of the editors watching this page might (Writ Keeper? Riley? Theo? Yunshui? Drmies?), but otherwise I'd advise that you ask at the Teahouse, or that you paste the text {{Helpme}} onto your talk page, describing what you'd like to know below it. The Teahouse generally has a faster response time, I believe. There's also the Help desk, but the Teahouse is geared more toward new users. Hope that helps. Sorry I couldn't be of greater assistance. — Francophonie&Androphilie^{(Je vous invite à me parler)} 05:49, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

December 2012

Please do not attack other editors. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. Do not accuse me of having "European pragmatism", young man! BTW, thanks for the help. Drmies (talk) 05:22, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

You can't tease me about my writing skills, and then get all hurt when I put them to good use. As for the conversion therapy, having just flipped through every single picture of lesbian sex on Commons, I think it's safe to say you've failed. And thanks for the RfC link. I'll take a look as soon as I get the chance. — Francophonie&Androphilie^{(Je vous invite à me parler)} 05:42, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Haha, every single one? Do we have many? (PS: I take offense to the charge of pragmatism--I'm a Calvinist, sure, but in my heart I'm totally rock and roll, and a Dutch Baudelaire to boot.) Drmies (talk) 18:40, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

From all the talk that happens on Jimbo's talk page, it would seem that there's not much else on Commons. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 18:46, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hardly matters if you intended to be a pragmatist: God decided that you would be before you were even born, whether you ever behave like one or not. And do we have many pictures? We have infinitely too many, from where I stand, traumatized. Perhaps that's one thing Delicious carbuncle and I could agree on: Commons is no place for lesbian erotica. It's disgusting. — Francophonie&Androphilie^{(Je vous invite à me parler)} 18:49, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Diljaan

Housekeeping tags are usually so routine that I delete everything within reach on autopilot. In this case it appears that I should have actually read the tag, my apologies. I've restored and moved to article space. Probably needs tagging for something. Speedy? Jimfbleak - talk to me? 15:19, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

No problem. I have no particular attachment to the article, of course, but I googled him earlier, and it appears he is a legitimate singer of some (minor) repute, which means the article does provide a claim to notability. I was planning on throwing up a BLPPROD and seeing how it goes. — Francophonie&Androphilie^{(Je vous invite à me parler)} 15:26, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Fine avec moi Jimfbleak - talk to me? 15:29, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

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Sex positions

Thank you very much for that lede, i'm always crap at writing them so it is much appreciated! If you have more to add then go ahead, i'm still trying to finish other stuff currently ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 23:00, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Lest any other editors get the wrong impression, Jenova's referring to User:Jenova20/List of gay sex positions. And sure, I'll see if there's anything I can think to add... though I must confess I got a bit caught up in flipping through that source you linked to. — Francophonie&Androphilie^{(Je vous invite à me parler)} 23:13, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

That's what i keep doing...I've got another site, which is creative commons licensed, but it's not compatible with Wikipedia.

I suppose if you're learning anyway then no one can say anything, it is what Wikipedia is for =P

Add what you like, it's barely an article at the moment anyway. See you around ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 09:23, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

I had more than a few students give two men's names on a quiz where the question was who's making the beast with two backs in Othello. When I explained, some got uncomfortable. :) Drmies (talk) 17:33, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Even i understood Othello...ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 18:37, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Feedback

Re:User talk:Abyssal#Just so you know. Replying simultaneously here and there under my #Replies policy. — Francophonie&Androphilie^{(Je vous invite à me parler)}

Thanks for the info; I didn't know any of that! I really like this new article feedback tool, although I wish I could respond to some of the submissions. I'll look more deeply into the mechanics of what I can do with it as in your comment. Abyssal (talk) 19:03, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, there's still no way to do that. What I generally do is reply on their talk page with a link to the feedback submission (which you can find in the URL bar), and then, if their question wasn't related to article improvement, mark it as resolved. — Francophonie&Androphilie^{(Je vous invite à me parler)} 19:27, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Shankar

But does the fact that he did not use the title matter? He still had it. And do we have any evidence that he did not want to use it? --Mark91it's my world 23:02, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Hi, Mark. I have no clue whatsoever. I reverted from the reviewing window, so I didn't see that you'd accepted the changes; my thinking was that since an experienced editor had already reverted changes to the same effect after I'd accepted them, I should defer to his judgment. I probably should've done a little research on my own to check, but Hekerui (talk · contribs) is the real person to ask here. — Francophonie&Androphilie^{(Je vous invite à me parler)} 23:09, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Ok I'll ask him then. Thank you for your reply. --Mark91it's my world 23:18, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

P.S. and sorry if I was a bit abrupt, after rereading my first message I felt it was a bit aggressive. Thanks again, --Mark91it's my world 23:25, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Meh. No problem. It was dumb of me to get into a content matter in RCP mode. "If you can't take the heat...". — Francophonie&Androphilie^{(Je vous invite à me parler)} 23:28, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Ooops. You caught me mid-signature revision! — Francophonie&Androphilie^{(Je vous invite à me parler)} 23:29, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Fixed it. There is such a thing as too gay. — Francophonie&Androphilie^{(Je vous invite à me parler)} 23:42, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

LOL. You should have kept your second to last one as your signature.--Mark91it's my world 23:49, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Really? Looked kinda tacky to me. :/ — Francophonie&Androphilie^{(Je vous invite à me parler)} 23:50, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

I like the new one. I'm all about the black with one colored letter. Λυδαcιτγ 09:16, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Awww, thanks. You take the minimalism to a whole new level, though - it's hard to do faux Greek well, but you do. Have we met before? I know I "stalked" your userpage at one point in the past - you may be interested to know that you're not the only liberal atheist Asimov/Heinlein-liking Jew from West Hartford I know. — Francophonie&Androphilie^{(Je vous invite à me parler)} 09:31, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! I tried to figure out your challenge, got it wrong the first time but right the second. I'm interested in languages so I was intrigued by your username. J'ai etudie' un peu de france's et aujourdhui je peux lire me je ne peux parler (ou e'crire) que un petit peu, alors je veux practiquer.

Really?! Who's the other one? Λυδαcιτγ 05:03, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

L'autre, c'est ma tante. C'est bizarre, n'est-ce pas ? Mais, j'ai trouvé une différence : Elle parle mieux le Français que vous. And my challenge, yes... *sigh*... I U1'ed the whole thing out of embarrassment a few days ago... it felt rather... childish? — Francophonie&Androphilie^{(Je vous invite à me parler)} 05:29, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

BCA @ DRN

Hey. In case you didn't know, we have a DRN section for the BCA article. We seem, as usual, to be at somewhat of a standstill. WLU made a RfC, but I don't think it was accepted, so, if you are interested, we could really use a fresh pair of eyes. I figured you might be especially helpful because you are already reasonably familiar with the article. Let me know! Charles35 (talk) 04:05, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

CSD tagging

Usually when I use the above header on a talkpage, I follow it by writing, "thanks for your CSD tagging, but YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG, STOP!". Not in this case, however - I've deleted a bunch of your nominations this morning, all good calls, without exception. Nice to see you familiarised yourself with yet another specialist area here, good work! Yunshui 雲‍水 11:12, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

I must say, I was a bit nervous when I saw the section title in the edit summary. You may have just beaten Jimfbleak's "Block notice" for scariest header on this page to date. (It was something about someone he'd blocked and forgotten to tell, I think.) But I'm glad I'm on a good streak! I did a lot of speedy tagging in my first few weeks here, and have been getting back into it... I appear to be batting higher than I was back then, although I had a rough start the other day reacquainting myself (A7'ing a school, hasty tagging, etc.). I'm coming up on my 300th nomination, though, and my only complaint is that my edit count looks like I never edit mainspace and am obsessed with my userspace, since the only remnant of the speedy tags is my CSD log. (Though, of course, I do spend too much time in my userspace, but I like that excuse.) Anyways, thanks for the good word, and back-atcha! Your name comes up 19 times in the last two hours on my watchlist. — Francophonie&Androphilie^{(Je vous invite à me parler)} 11:24, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

G12

Video presentation may well be a copyright issue, but you didn't add the purported source to the template. I thought it might be one of the embedded links in the aritcle, but, at first glance that doesn't seem to be it. Do you know the name of the source?--SPhilbrick(Talk) 13:55, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

As I noted on the talk page, I was unable to find a precise source, but considering its similarities to this essay, and taking into consideration the oft-forgotten copyright application of the duck test, I thought it was reasonable to go with G12. It's highly unlikely that someone actually wrote all of that just to be an article, and parts of it are definitely taken from that essay - it might be a modified version, or plagiarism of a later draft, or some sort of amalgam, but to me it looks like a duck. I probably should've been clearer about that on the talk page, though. — Francophonie&Androphilie^{(Je vous invite à me parler)} 14:00, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

My bad for not looking at the talk page, which is odd, because my routine for reviewing G12 includes that step, and I did so on the first four I looked at.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 14:04, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

No worries. The spam's been coming so fast and hard today that I know that I, for one, have been missing tons of obvious catches. Like I'll speedy a page, warn the user for having a promotional username, and then forget to check their userpage. And then some admin comes along and deletes the userpage and blocks the user, but forgets about the article... busy day. — Francophonie&Androphilie^{(Je vous invite à me parler)} 14:09, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, it seems busy today, must be the beat the end of the world rush.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 14:21, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Now that you mention it, I have been seeing more spam for survival gear, ammunition, and canned food. — Francophonie&Androphilie^{(Je vous invite à me parler)} 14:23, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Um, I'm not sure what is up with this

I don't know what to make of this edit. A user created a very bad page (really just a bad can of spam). I saw that Wikipedia already has a page covering the relevant topic in a better developed (and significantly less spammy) fashion, so I simply redirected the new page to the better, older page. a) Why does this need to be deleted? b) Why did you leave commentary on the article page??? That should only ever be left on the article talk page. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 16:39, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Hi. Umm, we crossed wires. You made the redirect right before I left the G6 template. I assumed that you weren't aware of the cut-and-paste move. Now I realize that you were, and that you were redirecting as part of the merge you're proposing (which I endorse, by the way). Nonetheless, the Practice Enterprise article needs to be deleted before anything can happen, for licensing/attribution reasons. As for the mainspace comment, my philosophy is that when there's absolutely no chance that a page isn't going to be deleted (which is the case here, for legal reasons), there's no real harm in leaving a little note. For instance, sometimes I flag pages for G3, but blank them as a cautionary measure against perceived defamation, and leave a note saying so. That article's going to get deleted, whether with the cut-and-paste content, with your redirect, or with my note. So I didn't really see how it would matter. — Francophonie&Androphilie^{(Je vous invite à me parler)} 16:44, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Legobot notification

How did you get Legobot to notify you of changes to your IP comments page? The Anonymouse (talk • contribs) 17:38, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

I asked very very nicely. Umm, well I asked Legoktm on IRC if there was any way I could do it, and he said sure, he'd just have Legobot do it. (You don't need approval for a bot running in userspace, as long as the user whose space it in approves, and it's not disruptive.) I created a message I wanted it to send—{{User:Francophonie&Androphilie/Template1}}<!-- legobot was here -->—and asked him to set the bot up so every time a message gets sent to the IP comments page, legobot inserts that message at the very top of the page. And it doesn't send me a new message as long as the "legobot was here" text is on the page. Cool, right? I'm afraid Legoktm might find himself getting more requests than he wants for it. — Francophonie&Androphilie^{(Je vous invite à me parler)} 17:43, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, that's really cool. I was very puzzled on how it did that. Thanks, The Anonymouse (talk • contribs) 18:03, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

I can't speak for Lego, but I'd be curious to know if there's general interest in a bot running this task - a fair amount of users, especially admins, have to get their talk pages protected, and this could be a nice workaround for everyone. — Francophonie&Androphilie^{(Je vous invite à me parler)} 18:06, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Hand-coding

Hey all :).

I'm dropping you a note because you've been involved in dealing with feedback from the Article Feedback Tool. To get a better handle on the overall quality of comments now that the tool has become a more established part of the reader experience, we're undertaking a round of hand coding - basically, taking a sample of feedback and marking each piece as inappropriate, helpful, so on - and would like anyone interested in improving the tool to participate :).

You can code as many or as few pieces of feedback as you want: this page should explain how to use the system, and there is a demo here. Once you're comfortable with the task, just drop me an email at okeyeswikimedia.org and I'll set you up with an account :).

If you'd like to chat with us about the research, or want live tutoring on the software, there will be an office hours session on Monday 17 December at 23:00 UTC in #wikimedia-office ^connect. Hope to see some of you there! Thanks, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 22:58, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

RM of Talk:Anti-Islamism

I started an RM on Talk:Anti-Islamism and at that RFD you seemed to express on opinion on it but I forgot to invite you. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 19:14, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

Also I created a paradox with your vandalism counter. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 19:21, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

*Snaps fingers.* Damn it. I just use that for easy updating of the ever-increasing number of places I use my vandalism count userbox as a "beware all ye who enter!" If someone else actually gets your idea, I s'pose I'll just have to get it protected. — Francophonie&Androphilie^{(Je vous invite à me parler)} 21:18, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

Although, hold on a sec... the paradox would be to lower the count, not to increase it! — Francophonie&Androphilie^{(Je vous invite à me parler)} 21:23, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

User:קיפודנחש/apiRollback.js

Hi F&A.

I was thinking: why would you even want the script to bold the "talk" page of the user/vandal and add the "vanarticle=" thing? this looks so last year!

wouldn't it be better if we add a 2nd menu that would allow you to define what do you want to drop in the user's talkpage? i am thinking something similar to the "summary" line, except you'll be able to use multiline edit mode, and teach the script to remember for you the last 20, 40, or unlimited number of "droplets" you used in the past. i am just thinking here, but let say we let you give them names. you would create little pieces that look like so:

==[[$1]]==
Dear $2, i had to $3 some edit you did in the page $1.
To learn more about bla bla bla read page [[abra kadabra]]
~~~~

or, the more aggressive form:

==[[$1]]==
{{subst:Get lost|$1}}~~~~

The script will replace $1 with the page name, $2 with the user's Nik, and $3 with the rollback text (so it may be "rollback 6 edits" or just "rollback").

The script then will just add this to the user talkpage without taking you out of wherever you are.

if you give this little masterpiece a name, it will be available to you on future rollbacks, but you can just use it once, without giving it a name, as so not to "contaminate" the list of droplets you like to use.

the details are still blurry, and if you think this is valuable we can work them out, but i wanted to hear from you first whether you think this makes sense.

peace - קיפודנחש (aka kipod) (talk) 01:59, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Hmm. A very good idea indeed. Here's what I think: About 90% of the time that you use rollback, you only need to drop a template message, if anything; with the other 10%, the cases are distinct enough that it's fairly rare that you can recycle messages. So, instead of having it store your latest 20-40 warnings, have it store a dropdown menu of templates, very much like Twinkle's Warn feature, except deployable from whatever page you initiate rollback from, and slightly more customizable.

Proposed specs:

• Like with Twinkle, the following setup:

• Dropdown menu of warning levels - level 1, level 2, level 3, level 4, level 4im (only warning), single-issue notice, single-issue warning
• Dropdown menu of available templates for each level... I can throw together a roster of all of these for you, if you're interested
• "Comments" field - whatever you write there is added, italicized, after the template you leave

• Then, in addition:

• A "custom message" option
• The ability to add messages to the dropdown menus through some sort of function in your common.js - some users make their own series of warnings, and there are also some obscure warnings that certain users in specialized areas often have a need for
• And maybe, if you want to get really fancy, a one-click "warn for vandalism" button, that would read the hidden text included in the standard series of vandalism warnings - namely <!-- Template:uw-vandalism1 --> and/or <!-- Template:uw-cluebotwarning1 --> - and give the appropriate next level. Though you'd have to program it to only register warnings left in the last day or two, so I don't know how complicated that would be - ClueBot can do it, so it's clearly possible, but ClueBot can do anything, so I have no idea what sort of level of labor that would take.

Anyways, how does all that sound? If you're interested, I'll get started on making a list of the necessary components for you assemble. — Francophonie&Androphilie^{(Je vous invite à me parler)} 02:49, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

thing is, though what you suggest sounds at first glance simpler or easier, for me it's actually more work/more difficult, because it means we have to hard-code all those boilerplate messages into the tool.

personally, i am not familiar with the specific templates used for vandalism-fighting in enwiki, and this would also make it less transportable to other wikis. if i do it the way i suggested, i.e., start with empty set, and as the user adds more responses, tool learns them so they become boilerplate for next time (without me having to put them there myself - yuppee!). admittedly, this means that every user of the tool will have to enter each of those boilerplate messages manually once, but as you say, there is not such a huge number of them. i will ask you to try it and see what you think. peace - קיפודנחש (aka kipod) (talk) 06:08, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Personally, I think the vanarticle setup works better, in that case. Also, there actually are a fair number of templates... there's five levels of each of the main ones, plus a lot of important less-used ones. Twinkle does its job very very well, and, in my opinion, it's best to either directly use it, or copy something from it. Anyways, as I said, I'll gladly draw up a list of the templates you'd need... as for the workload issue, if you can give me a quick walkthrough of how to add the templates, I'd have no problem doing it myself... it'd be the same procedure for each template, right? And as other wikis go, I don't think this would hinder exportability, since you could still have the memorizing function for custom messages, in addition to any hard-coding. — Francophonie&Androphilie^{(Je vous invite à me parler)} 07:06, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

i'll tell you what: i will add a facility to read the boilerplates from a .js page, and add a "read boilerplats" button. it will still not be the sophisticated hierarchical thing you describe - all messages are equal. once the user reads the boilerplates, they can add and remove messages (removing is done by selecting a message name, but clearing the message content).

you can try the tool without the "read boilerplates" and see if the functionality makes sense (IOW, i updated the script - just do a deep refresh and you should see the new functionality).

the structure of the boilerplate js page is simple (it doesn't really have to be a .js page, but js allows us to put things the parser would expand on normal page, such as signature and templates with "subst" as part of the message):

{
'message name1' : 'first line\n' +
	'second line\n' +
	'third line',
'message name 2':  'first line\n' +
	'second line\n' +
	'third line'
}

right now, the tool does not leave a summary when dumping the message in talkpage. i think that the message name can be used as summary also.

i am not sure, but maybe it will be better to add a "follow this page" checkbox, instead of using the common.js variable we use today (we can still use the common.js variable for the initial state of the checkbox).

peace - קיפודנחש (aka kipod) (talk) 07:36, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

So i added a "Read messages" button, that will read the messages from a boilerplate page as described above. if you do not wish to use a JS page, you can do it by breaking the strings, such:

{
'Warning Level1 - go away': '==[' + '[$1]' + ']==\n{' + '{subst:|Go away|$1} ' +}~~' + '~~',
'Warning Level1 - you are ugly': '==[' + '[$1]' + ']==\n{' + '{subst:|You are ugly|$1} ' +}~~' + '~~',
'Warning Level2 - I hate you': '==[' + '[$1]' + ']==\n{' + '{subst:|I hate you|$1} ' +}~~' + '~~',
'Warning Level2 - Wikipedia is not a zoo': '==[' + '[$1]' + ']==\n{' + '{subst:|Wikipedia is not a zoo|$1} ' +}~~' + '~~',
'Welocome 1': '==I love you==\nSorry I had to $2 your Edits in page[$1]\n{' + '{subst:|Welcome} ' +}~~' + '~~'
}

and so on and so forth. note that in order to avoid subsing, i broke the sigs to '~~' + '~~' and the template to '{' + '{subst:' etc.

please play with it a little and let me know what you think, including changing labels and messages. also, if you'll ever write a help page to this thing, let me know and i'll create a link.

note that i managed to suppress popup on the "rollback" link and added to the tooltip a hint about rightclick. :::::another question is this: maybe we should just drop the right-click left-click thing and jump the dialog box on right-click too?

(oh, one more thing: i'll add 2 checkboxes for "watch article" and "watch talkpage". the 2nd will only be used if you choose to leave a message on the talkpage).

peace - קיפודנחש (aka kipod) (talk) 21:21, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

So, i take it you are not interested in creating a list of fragments to be placed in reverted-editor talkpage? also, i do not see many people using this script in enwiki (actually, you seem to be the only one ATM...), so maybe it wasn't such a hot idea after all.

anywho, just in case you are interested to do either of the following, i will incorporate it into the script (it has a language-dependent section, so i can do it here without having to maintain multiple version for multiple languages):

• if someone will create a help page, i'll link to it directly from the dialog box
• if someone will create a list of fragments (including, but not limited to use of templates), i will make it "more automatically" loaded when pressing the "Read messages" button (basically, preloading the prompt-box with the sanctioend page).

peace - קיפודנחש (aka kipod) (talk) 16:40, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

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I took the liberty of correcting what I believe was a typo on your user page. If I was wrong, I apologise.--Anthony Bradbury^"talk" 23:11, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for catching that. :) To be honest, I'm surprised every time I spell my username right. But for someone with more userspace edits than he'd like, my userpage sure could use some work. Be bold, my friends! If someone can find a userbox saying I appreciate bold edits to my userpage, I'll put it up - better yet, that person should put it up themselves! — Francophonie&Androphilie^{(Je vous invite à me parler)} 06:56, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

Mor2

Just a few quick comments on what you posted on User:Mor2's talk page. First, I wish you hadn't, at least while they were blocked. Second, I understand your outrage, but you might want to take a look at Veterans Today, a recently created article. Third, Mor2 clearly had no clue what you were talking about. Finally, happy holidays!--Bbb23 (talk) 14:29, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

Hi there Bbb. I think righteous indignation is one of the worst emotions a Wikipedian can display, and I try very hard to avoid it; nonetheless, with that submission I found it difficult to not be repulsed. There's been a general agreement that with as high-profile a subject as this, somewhat higher standards are in order, and I hope that you can see my reasoning for hiding it. As for the fact he was blocked... I went over to his talk page, and saw that he was blocked for sanction violation on a related topic, and thought this might be relevant. I trust your judgment, but I'm not sure what I'm missing here that made it inadvisable for me to post that. Could you please elucidate? Thank you.

As to his not knowing what I was talking about... I don't really know what I can say. I realize that he can't see the feedback submission I linked to (unless the OP can see it even if it's hidden? But I'd think not), but that's clearly not the cause of his misunderstanding, and you'd think that if you posted something like that, and someone referenced a feedback submission to that article and called it outrageous, you'd know what they were talking about. Furthermore, since he went on to review all the reasons that he felt he shouldn't have been blocked, despite my clearly saying that I wasn't familiar with what was going on, I think we might have to chalk this up more to one-track-mindedness on his part, rather than vagueness on mine.

Anyways, hope I haven't screwed anything up too badly, and happy holidays to you too. By which I mean Merry Christmas, since Hanukkah sucks and it's already over anyways. — Francophonie&Androphilie^{(Je vous invite à me parler)} 22:28, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

You are, as always, very amusing. I have no idea why he couldn't follow what you said. I don't know if it was willful blindness, cluelessness, or, as you say, a one-track mind (you were not vague). Your comment was a distraction. I realize he could address it because he has access to his talk page, but he's currently blocked, and it just feels unfair to kick a man when he's down. It could have waited until the block expired for you to express your view on his talk page. As for whether his feedback is related to the P-I articles, I dunno. So many editors have strong feelings about those issues. As long as those views don't affect their article-editing or their interaction with other editors, I try not to delve into people's politics. BTW, I don't even look at article feedback. It's amazing how narrow I can be. :-)

Anyway, I just thought I would tell you how I reacted to your post. Just my view, of course. I need to stop editing now for a bit - I'm supposed to be doing real life fun stuff, although talking to you is more fun than a lot of other things on Wikipedia.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:20, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

No, I had no idea what you was talking about. I assumed you referred to my last post where I said "Bottom line", as far fetched as it is, this was the only thing I could imagine that you might construed as offensive, comparing it that list you provided. So I explained how I got there.

However, after reading your post, I have figured what you refereed to and even though the feedback is hidden, iirc it wasn't neither "offensive/irresponsible", it was a headline quote and link. If you'd bothered to look at my next edit [3](or my other edits to that talk page) you'd see what I actually thought of it or my intentions. Overall my reason for it was likely similar to your comment on my talk page, that has nothing todo with my WP:1RR block or the unblock request, other than some out of context mud throwing with a pinch of Ad hominem reasoning, to a user who can't respond. But hey, maybe we are dealing with some "one-track-mindednes", over some "righteous indignation", after he was repulsed by some comment that he didn't bothered to look further.--Mor2 (talk) 03:24, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

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Thanks for the guidiance

Noted, and thanks for bringing [edit of mine] to my notice. Reviewed it again and realised that it was OK actually, just that the info was controversial.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Arctic Kangaroo (talk • contribs) 00:33, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

Article

Please do not edit the delete debate - we have had enough people interfering with this and do not need more people do this and wasting our time.

The comments I have put are relevant and make sense - they are not personal attacks.

I have agreement from the other editors and admins.

Kind Regards,

Philip — Preceding unsigned comment added by Craddock1 (talk • contribs) 11:14, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

I would've really wished you'd brought up your objection before reverting me, but, anyways, here's my response:

• There is absolutely no way that DC's Wikipediocracy/Wikipedia Review activities can be relevant to an AfD. None. You may feel they go to discredit his !vote, but lengthy posts about an editor's behavior are inappropriate for AfD.
• If you think Delicious carbuncle (talk · contribs) is unfit to nominate articles for deletion, you can propose a topic ban, though I don't really see the case. If you think he is behaving inappropriately in this AfD, you can take him to AN/I. I also don't really see the case.
• You've just restored an accusation that he is a sockpuppetteer. I request that you either start an SPI or strike the comment. Accusations like this without evidence are unacceptable. Huh. You did it right before I posted this. Quelle coincidence.
• You "have agreement from the other editors and admins"? Could you please name one editor who agrees that these comments are appropriate who isn't currently subject to a sockpuppet investigation? And so far this is the only thing I've seen an admin say on the matter.
• Finally, and I really hate to do this at the end of a post that's far nastier than I normally make, but - please sign your edits. I expect your response here to be signed. For the time being I've ordered SineBot to not edit this page, as a sort of incentive. — Francophonie&Androphilie^{(Je vous invite à me parler)} 11:34, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Ireland

Hi. I just noticed that at User:Francophonie&Androphilie/countries, your Ireland flag links to Austria - thought you might like to know. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 06:36, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

And where should it link? I strongly support Austria's claim to sovereignty over Ireland.</sarcasm>

Yeah, I think I used the link to Austria's flag to reformat all of the links; must've forgotten to switch that one. As I've said before, if anyone can find a userbox saying I appreciate bold edits to my userpage, they should feel free to put it up. Thanks, though! Or, as they say in Ireland, danke schön. — Francophonie&Androphilie^{(Je vous invite à me parler)} 12:08, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Gays DO make good posts!

Got a problem with me being gay? Well, suck it up, because as observed here, since many vandals write "SO-AND-SO IS A FAG!!!" but very few write "I AM A FAG!!!", it's clear that all homosexuals are good editors.

 

I could not agree more! Allow me to say L'égalité pour tous! Je suis gai et fier! A Wiggin13 (talk) 06:50, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Hi! I'm actually in the middle of writing you something at your talk page, for yet another coincidence, O "sockpuppet" mine. Nice to meet you! — Francophonie&Androphilie^{(Je vous invite à me parler)} 07:03, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

It is very nice to meet you to! Il est bon de rencontrer quelqu'un qui sait français aussi! A Wiggin13 (talk) 07:06, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

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Have a yummy brownie on me! A Wiggin13 (talk) 08:47, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

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Merci

Thanks for your message on my talk page about User talk:Lubnarizvi#Inappropriate use of warning template, constituting personal attack, WP:ANI#User Hell in a Bucket has been very disruptive from day 1. I have replied on my talk page. JamesBWatson (talk) 20:32, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

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You like your sweets so have some pie! I guarantee my pie is better than the hotel brownies! A Wiggin13 (talk) 23:17, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Apology

I notice that Craddock1 has apologized to everyone BUT me. What? Am I unworthy of an apology or something? :P Anyhow just wanted to throw that out there. A Wiggin13 (talk) 05:36, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Re: Notice

Re your message: I see that everything has pretty much been settled now. Thank you for the notice. I think your 2₵ to Craddock1 was very well thought out. I hope that they follow your suggestions. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 05:38, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

I have doubts about whether you are who you say you are. But no-one else does. Mandatory WP:BILBY sanctions apply in this case

	A "yet again tough luck for me not believing you are who you say you are" Bilby for you!
	A Bilby for you! Shirt58 (talk) 12:47, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

How cute. But "I don't believe you, but I'll assume good faith" is contradictory; until you can legitimately assume good faith, I'd prefer that you do not comment here. — Francophonie&Androphilie^{(Je vous invite à me parler)} 13:15, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Looks like we agree to disagree. Out. --Shirt58 (talk) 13:43, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

It is typically not a good idea to accuse users of anything without proof. Especially on something as touchy as "Your not real" Andrew Wiggin (talk) 14:12, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

It's fine, Andrew. I can handle myself, though I don't disagree with your points about accusations. Shirt58's not saying anything new - see /Archive/Archive_3#Block and WP:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive776#Francophonie&Androphilie blocked and then unblocked with an apology by Coren. It's worth noting, though, that anyone who accuses me of not being who I say I am isn't simply accusing me of pretending to be a random teenage boy, but, rather, of extensively researching a real-world person and assuming his identity - in essence, accusing me of being some sort of stalker, pedophile, or seriously disturbed individual. — Francophonie&Androphilie^{(Je vous invite à me parler)} 22:54, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Shirt, I should note that you're welcome to respond to this thread for the time being; you seem like a nice guy, and if there's any way we could clear this up, I'd like to. — Francophonie&Androphilie^{(Je vous invite à me parler)} 23:11, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Sorry Bro. I was just trying to cover your behind. Friends do that from time to time you know :) Andrew Wiggin (talk) 23:33, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

F&A, as you note, you can handle this as you wish, but if you want the opinion of a friendly talk page stalker, I don't see any good coming out of this section on your talk page (the section header alone is awful). If I were you, I'd remove the entire section, including my oh-so-wise comment.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:16, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, Bbb (really, thanks!), but I think I'll invoke that right to deal with this as I like. I've got nothing to hide, and I think people can make what they'd like of this section. — Francophonie&Androphilie^{(Je vous invite à me parler)} 03:37, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

January 2013 - reply

I was a bit rude. I think he was ruder. My apologies for losing my cool, but just because someone's trolling, that isn't an excuse for tearing into them and calling them names - you both validate their trolling, and lower the level of discourse. — Francophonie&Androphilie(Je vous invite à me parler) 06:41, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for your comments but are you seriously implying that I am in the wrong when I am defending myself against a troll who has undoubtedly attacked other users before (see his reference to AssociateAffiliate whom he definitely has attacked and surely the others too)? I am not going to retract my comments. I ask again that you protect my user page and talk page. If you are not going to do that, then I suggest you block my account and I will go away and find something better to do. This site is begining to look like something out of a New Labour fantasy: welcome to trolls, bona fide editors can look after themselves. Absolutely ridiculous. Nothing personal as I realise you are following site guidelines and doing your job. --Old Lanky (talk) 12:33, 5 January 2013 (UTC) Your user page will not be protected unless it is being vandalized. Your user talk page will not be protected unless you are being harassed in such a way that it's impractical to block the users responsible. I don't think you can really blame the admins for not doing either of these things, regardless, when you haven't provided any evidence for your claims. So how about you stop ranting about how poorly our system is managed, and accept that there are two very good reasons you're not getting what you want. Furthermore, you are required to retract your legal threat, and if you're unable to provide evidence to meet our blocking policy, I have no idea how you could provide evidence that would stand up in court or not get you laughed out of the police station. — Francophonie&Androphilie(Je vous invite à me parler) 12:46, 5 January 2013 (UTC) Read the "Back Again" topic on my talk page and note that this began on my user page, but I moved it. How about you stop pontificating and use your eyes to do some research instead of expecting everything on a plate and spelled out to you in words one syllable. I am being harrassed on my talk page by a troll who is accusing me of running dual accounts and hurling insults at me in the process. It is the same troll who has attacked AssociateAffiliate. That is obvious from his comments and from the fact that AssociateAffiliate's page has been protected because of harrassment. And, no, I will not retract my statements because I am defending myself and standing up for all genuine editors. You are doing the troll's work for him. --Old Lanky (talk) 13:07, 5 January 2013 (UTC) Fuck this shit. You took it to AN (not AN/I, where you should've taken it, for the record), you provide the evidence. That said, I've looked at the comments in question now, and you seem far more incivil than the IP. He's not trolling, which means I can only hope you don't actually take this to the police, as you may very well get arrested for submitting a false report. I was mighty patient not asking you to be blocked immediately, and it appears you wish to throw away whatever goodwill I was willing to extend you. Enjoy your forthcoming block. — Francophonie&Androphilie(Je vous invite à me parler) 13:13, 5 January 2013 (UTC) It would seem you're lucky to escape a block yourself. --Old Lanky (talk) 13:49, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

LGBT stereotypes

Hi F&A. Thanks for copy editing LGBT stereotypes for the GOCE backlog drive; I think you did a good job. You must not have noticed this, but I had listed the article I was working on for the drive. I'm not upset. I hadn't done any work on it, and you're likely more qualified to work on such an article anyway. If you had asked me, I would've gladly relinquished my claim to you, but again, I'm not upset. You haven't offended any boundaries of etiquette or practice because we haven't established any. But you can probably see how this sort of situation could lead to some conflict. I invite you to discuss the issue at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Coordinators#"Claiming" articles in a drive (I don't know if that space is supposed to be used only by GOCE coordinators, but I haven't seen anything to make me think that). And again, just because I can't emphasize this enough, "the issue" is the general idea of editors trying to work on the same page, not this specific instance. Thanks, BDD (talk) 20:44, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Ooops! Sorry about that, and thanks for letting it slide. I've replied there. — Francophonie&Androphilie^{(Je vous invite à me parler)} 06:25, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Evidence

Per the admin at WP:AN/I, here is the evidence you wanted: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Richard Daft/Archive.

I've got six more IPs which are all undeniably this person as, to his credit, he leaves no doubt as to who he is and you will even find his real name in the archive. I'm going to revert to IP myself now to avoid people like that. I used IP previously to edit and no prblem. --Old Lanky (talk) 09:24, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

My apologies for not looking deep enough into what was being said against you; in the future, though, please don't feed the trolls, and please remember that if you're seeking administrative intervention, the onus is on you to explain why you feel what you request is justified. Also, it would really put my mind at rest if you could just state for the record that you will not be pursuing any legal action against Richard Daft or anyone else on Wikipedia. Thanks, and sorry for being short with you. — Francophonie&Androphilie^{(Je vous invite à me parler)} 12:04, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

I don't want to feed this but Old Lanky has used various user names - some Quite aggressively (JamesJJames BlackJack Jim Hardie etc)