"You are not wrong, who deem
That my days have been a dream;
Yet if hope has flown away
In a night, or in a day
In a vision, or in none
Is it therefore the less gone?
All that we see or seem
Is but a dream within a dream."
I'm non the wiser as to the nature of what was visited upon my userpage - presumably it was an overflowing of effusive well-wishing that, had I seen it, would only have gone to my head... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 21:46, 12 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
"Good Morning"Paley : Thanks for all of your contributions to improve Wikipedia! 13 December is the day when Swedes perplex the rest of the world by showing up way too early in the morning dressed in white tunics, candles in their hair, singing and bringing saffron buns and breakfast in bed to nice people. Hope you have a bright day!Hafspajen (talk) 09:23, 13 December 2014 (UTC)[reply] Thanks Hafs. Are you a bit Norwegian then? - according to the St Lucy's Day article, Norwegians spell it St Lucia... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 10:54, 13 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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The Black and White Menstrual Show? Sounds like an answer to that old joke, "I say I say I say, what's black and white and red all over?" Or then again, maybe the answer to that is this...? PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 21:11, 25 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Thankyou, Ada. Yes I would recommend keeping the dentures in position - they are necessary for the correct deportment and presentation of the face. And even the tenderest bird is tricky to manage without them... Best wishes, Ciss.
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No, not just that, or even that to any degree. I had a desire to return to the "real world" but now feel I would be better off just cutting down my time here. Thanks for your concern but I'll be back, with a smaller commitment. Britmax (talk) 09:55, 27 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
It is like Betula verrucosa and Betula pendula The Wrestlers by William Etty- though they don't look like they were wresling much File:Dash for Liberty (Boston Public Library).jpg Does that box have a veneer of Betula pendula?
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A Valentine sheep-doggie for you Albert Bierstadt - Cloud Study, Moonlight
A state or quality of feeling at a particular time: sad, upset? ...a distinctive emotional quality ... ...a prevailing emotional tone or general attitude: Paley's mood. (angry)Hafspajen (talk) 20:16, 18 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Hi PaleCloudedWhite, Thank you for your note left on my talk page. Please read my contribution to the article's talk page in which I make it quite clear that the phrase 'underground tree' is used by scholars and in which I add the source. cheers Paul venter (talk) 08:34, 11 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
That isn't the point. You do not have consensus for your addition. Your comment on the talk page is basically saying "I am right, the objectors are wrong, therefore I can revert to my version". It doesn't work like that. As per WP:BRD, please establish consensus on the article's talk page. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 08:46, 11 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
A typically fruity selection of bar snacks laid on by the RVT...
This article has been edited by someone who clearly does not have a NPOV and has made no attempt to hide it and even claiming control of the article. I made a few improvements (removing duplications, adding an image from Commons, correcting some poor English and addition of citations re Princess Diana visit) before I realised quite how much that user had changed the article. You tackled something similar re this article in Aug 2013, so I thought I should bring it to your attention - I am sure you know better than I do what should be done, I think it borders on vandalism. Emerald (talk) 21:57, 11 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Hello EmeraldRS. Thanks for contacting me about this. I had noticed that someone had been making changes a while back, but at the time I didn't have the time/energy to look at what they were doing. I'll have a look now. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 22:31, 11 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nice job, PaleCloudedWhite. As someone fond of the RVT I was a bit upset by the mess someone had made of the article. I will try to find some more references for the article and might find more detail for the history in the process.Emerald (talk) 09:56, 12 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. More citations would be good. It seems that from time to time, the owners/managers of the property edit the article so that it supplements their advertising, which of course doesn't suit Wikipedia. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 10:01, 12 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Upon returning to the nest site, Bill the stork said, "I'm sorry darling, but the local branch of Twig Shop had sold out of the larger sizes...
I've been trying to delete a non-existent Sky reference about Wellworths from the entry for Dorchester - but you and other editor have both reinstated it.
The Sky news piece has been deleted so it's not helpful for it to be there.
There is a video piece with Chris Evans which I created and own which is not dissimilar but when I swapped them, I was told by another editor that You Tube is not a reliable source !
Hello Alastair. I didn't remove any Youtube link in my edit, although it is true anyway that Youtube is not normally considered a reliable source (although I understand it can be used in certain situations). The reason I restored the link to the non-existent Sky page is because I was following the advice given in this guide, which states that a URL link should not be deleted just because it is dead. When I restored the Sky link I also added a deadlink template to it (look at the reference and see), to draw attention to its moribund status. It may be possible to find an archived copy of the web address - though this is a process I am not familiar with as yet. It is also possible to supplement the deadlink with a working reliable source. Either way, simple deletion of the link should not be considered the first route to take. I hope that helps. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 21:45, 23 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for explaining - I didn't really see the point of including a dead link. I added a link to my own footage of the event because I knew it was a good piece which I own and was happy to share. Alastair Nisbet (talk) 05:34, 27 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The Seventh Plague of Egypt, John Martin, 1823The Great Day of His Wrath, c. 1853The Destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, 1852"I hope you don't think I'm being provocative" said Angel No.1, "but aren't we supposed to be working for the creative team?"
Hi, PaleCloudedWhite. I do Latin, but I have never really worked on the Latin of Domesday Book, which is a bit special. I am willing to try to help -- you are welcome to try me with specific questions -- but I have a suspicion that there must be someone else around who could do it better! You probably already know about Wikipedia:WikiProject Domesday Book, but that is not much use because as far as I know the project never really became active. The originator of that project, who really does know Domesday Book, seems to be untraceable on Wikipedia (the username is somehow wrong), but I have her email address and if you want to try to contact her I could forward a message. Just write it on my talk page and I will send it on as an email. (Don't send me an email -- my system email is inactive.) You could also ask Adam Bishop, who is listed as a participant in that WikiProject: how familiar he is with Domesday Book I don't know, but he is certainly a Latinist. Andrew Dalby13:07, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Many thanks for taking time to reply. At the moment it might be possible for someone to help without a good understanding of Latin, as I've been using Domesday-related sources that provide translations (though I suspect being a Latinist would assist). So far I have primarily been using 2 sources: this one and this one. The first source shows the actual entries for each place, such as here. The second source is rather basic, but it does provide a legible transcript of each entry's 11th-century name (such as here) - something the first source doesn't do. My main problem at the moment is that I don't know how to interpret settlements that have more than one Domesday entry, such as this one. How should such multiple entries be summarised with respect to one settlement? Should the figures in each entry be aggregated to give a total number of households, total acreage of meadow etc.? How should the manorial ownership be interpreted if there appears to be several lords and tenants-in-chief? Is this the kind of question you might be able to assist with? PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 21:09, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I shall press on regardless of noises off. I see the problem with Mappowder, all right. Thing is, both those sources are interpretations of the Domesday text. OpenDomesday (which I believe is run by the user who started our WikiProject) is extremely handy, but it can't tell you everything, because everything doesn't fit into any known database! Do you have an actual text or translation? I have the one-volume Penguin translation, which does indeed mention Mappowder 4 times in its index, but if you look at each entry in the text, you see why. Looking at OpenDomesday, on the other hand, it's very hard to see why.
Having said that, I think the quick answer to this specific problem is that normally you would get a correct answer by conflating the entries, but (a) there could be cases in which doubling of data is the result of conflicting claims or of misinterpretation by the Domesday clerks, (b) conflating the entries would be (in Wikipedia terms) synthesis, and (quite apart from Wikipedia rules) synthesis of primary sources in cases like this is a bad thing, because it often conceals a problem.
I don't have any translations or copies of the text; would it be handy if I did? I suppose it's looking likely that, using the sources I've been using so far, all that can be said of multiple-entry settlements is that they appear in the text X number of times, which is a shame. Another problem with the OpenDomesday source is that it won't/can't state specifically who people are when their names appear in the text - it just gives their gender and states that more than one person may have that name, which means that in Wikipedia entries, it isn't possible to wikilink them. Do you know whether other Domesday sources may be more specific? PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 19:06, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know the answer to that. The Penguin translation doesn't have an index of persons. Perhaps the Phillimore editions do, but I don't have any of those. I can think of no better way to pursue these people than (a) to search for each name + Domesday on Google, or (b) to look at the Victoria County Histories which (where they exist) include a detailed study of Domesday Book for each county, discussing identifications of landowners and tenants.
I don't know quite how deep you want to wade into this, but, if you already have your boots on, a full translation such as the Penguin would be useful. OpenDomesday is very good but it gives you a sort of snippet view of the text (and hard to read, too). Andrew Dalby16:43, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I can see I'm going to have to invest in some books (adding them to my mental list...) Incidentally is it more correct to not use the definite article when writing about Domesday Book? So far I have tended to write "...in 1086 in the Domesday Book...", but I notice sources tend to omit the definite article... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 21:25, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Ive looked at this in the past and I (did) know where you might find help. Look at Weston-on-Trent to see what it might look like Victuallers (talk)
Thanks. I had previously seen that kind of 'Domesday infobox' elsewhere, and it does look like a good way to present the information. But the problem is still one of first having to understand the Domesday sources, which isn't always straightforward. I'll probably have to obtain a copy of the original text and learn Latin. Quite simple really.... :) PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 22:13, 14 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
How did I ever got in this company? Maybe it was someting I ate?
Everybody tells me that it's so hard to make it
It's so hard to break yeah
There's no way to fake it
Everybody tells me that it's wrong what I'm feeling
And I shouldn't believe in
The dreams that I'm dreaming
I hear it every day
I hear it all the time
I'm never going to amount too much
But they're never going to change my mind, no
[Chorus] [2x]
Tell me, tell me, tell me
Something I don't know, something I don't know
Something I don't know
How many inches in a mile
What it takes to make you smile
Get you not to treat me like a child, baby
[Chorus]
Tell me, tell me, tell me
Something I don't know, something I don't know
Something I don't know
Tell me, tell me something I don't know
Tell me, tell me something I don't know
Everybody tells me I don't know what I'm doing
The life I'm pursuing
The odds I'll be losing
Everybody tells me that it's one in a million
Like one in a billion
Or one in a zillion
I hear it every day
I hear it all the time
I'm never going to amount too much
But they're never going to change my mind, no
[Chorus [2x]
Tell me, tell me, tell me
Something I don't know, something I don't know
Something I don't know
How many inches in a mile
What it takes to make you smile
Get you not to treat me like a child, baby
[Chorus]
Tell me, tell me, tell me
Something I don't know, something I don't know
Something I don't know
[Rap]
Selena hit the track
Like Katrina making waves
Like Cold Medina, make them say
"I'm ready!"
Are you ready for it? [Yeah, I'm ready for it]
Really ready for it? [Yeah, I'm ready for it]
I'm on my way
I know I'm going to get there someday
It doesn't help when you say
It won't be easy
[Chorus] [2x]
Tell me, tell me, tell me
Something I don't know, something I don't know
Something I don't know
How many inches in a mile
What it takes to make you smile
Get you not to treat me like a child, baby
Hello, PaleCloudedWhite. You have new messages at Hafspajen's talk page. You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.
I had noticed this investigation already, and it could be a possible explanation for the intransigent behaviour, though I haven't knowingly had interaction with DeFacto before, so any analysis of mine would be limited. I am assuming that your unwillingness to revert their edits is due to the general sanctions? Unfortunately the RfC that I instigated doesn't seem to be a popular dish on the menu. I am not sure what other avenues are available. Wikipedia is sometimes rather unhelpful to editors who follow the proper channels. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 05:33, 1 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
One would hope so, though of course on Wikipedia nothing is ever finally settled, so I wouldn't be surprised if another discussion springs up on the same issue. I had stepped back from the discussion because I think MOSUNIT needs changing - as I stated in the discussion, the existence of the footnote (and the interpretation of it) makes these kinds of disagreements more difficult to settle. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 08:36, 3 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I'd concentrate on seeing if it's possible to get that MOSUNIT footnote changed or removed - I can't see how it being there helps Wikipedia, as it just encourages time-wasting disagreements. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 00:47, 13 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Do you think there's enough aggro there to whet my appetite? You do appreciate that I only like engaging in discussions with editors who call me a cunt and tell me to fuck off.... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 11:03, 21 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Young Gardener (so definitely not me then) ... It's kind of about a gard'ner, and he's getting on in years, and he's stuck in this small town. Small towns fascinate me: you struggle like hell to get out but some people want to stay 'cause then they're the big fish in the small pond, and then others just kind of get stuck there. So here he is, working in this little place and then an old flame comes in and she's probably driving a nice car and looking kind of sharp—but he's moved on. Then he sees her and at first he doesn't even remember who he is, and then he realises who it is but he's just too embarrassed to say 'hello'.— | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| —10:21, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply] A nice car? PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 12:28, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Punjab is located in India, not Pakistan. If you wish to move Punjab in to Pakistan, please discuss the proposed edit in the Talk:Cuscuta page, otherwise your edit will continue to be reverted. This is the second time I have had to revert your change. Thanks. Damotclese (talk) 15:10, 11 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Well that's all settled then, and no-one has had to move Punjab anywhere - phew! (and just for the sake of correctness, I think you only reverted me once, Damotclese) PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 21:18, 11 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Actually you had only reverted them once, and they've been blocked as a sock, so you could have reverted again. Anyway, I've removed all the dodgy data - though I haven't removed all that editor's additions, because some of the info is properly sourced. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 00:44, 20 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Even without Rollback it's possible to undo several edits in one go: go into the article history, view the article as it existed on a date before the problematic edits occurred, go into edit mode and save that version of the page. Of course, if there are beneficial edits mixed among the problematic ones, this method cannot be used as it will remove the beneficial edits as well - though sometimes it's possible to manually add them back, if they're not complicated. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 06:52, 20 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Note to be removed by user: Please can you stop editing 'Bournemouth' article, by removing the urban population of Bournemouth, this statistic is essential in this article and you keep removing without a valid explanation. The urban population is 466,626 and this 'statistic' is featured in many other articles. We both know that the population of the region is much larger than what your trying to make it out to be which doesn't make sense. Please check Reading, Southampton and Portsmouth as they all feature this statistic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.10.114.212 (talk) 00:14, 26 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you so much for the work you did on what I added to Okeford Fitzpaine. All too often I get castigated for not formatting it right, etc., and (what pisses me off sumfink chronic) my efforts are simply "reverted", see my Talk Page. And thank you for adding a pic of the school - I'm surprised you didn't also add one of the pub - in which FAR more people would be interested ! ;-)
Our house in the village (http://www.imagesofengland.org.uk/details/default.aspx?id=402267) was sold in 1966 - we have a scan of the auction catalogue, & have done a fair bit of research on the house & its previous owners, e.g see my additions to George Pitt-Rivers's Wikipedia entry. The Wikipedia Gestapo deleted my entry for Stella....
Two things - "Pre-history", by definition, is NOT "History" ! And... why is your picture of a rose stem upside down ?
Hello RobinClay. I'm glad you are pleased by the work that I did to the article, though I can understand why your additions might be reverted by other editors. Wikipedia has its own policies and guidelines, and edits are more likely to run into trouble if they don't adhere to them. Formatting issues are minor, but I really recommend that you don't copy-and-paste information from copyrighted work - that really is waving a red flag to a bull. I'm interested in Dorset and rural affairs and this is why I have been taking the time to work through your addition. Unfortunately a lot of sources about villages don't pass the reliable sources test—mostly because they are self-published—and so aren't really usable. I'll see if I can find alternatives to some of the sources you used.
I wrote an article for Dorset Life last year, in which, amongst other things, I wrote about the moss-collecting on Okeford Hill, though Dorset Life have since sat on it (I suspect they'll never publish it, even though they said they would). As part of my research I had quite a long conversation with an Okeford resident, which was very interesting. It saddens me a little to hear that rural industry in the village is being replaced by houses - I wonder if the new residents will have an appreciation of the lives of the people who were there before? Rather ironic in the parish where Jack Hargreaves used to live!
I know pre-history is not history, but it's usual to place all the historical info together in one section - sub-sections can be created later, if/when there is more material to work with.
This Okeford Fitzpaine parish plan from the Dorset For You website, contains lots of information.[[5]] There is also quite a bit at British History Online, here[[6]] and some more info at the A Vision of Britain website.[[7]]. All reliable sources!--Ykraps (talk) 12:05, 25 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Ykraps. I'm familiar with British History Online, and it is currently used as a ref in the article. I've seen A Vision of Britain before, but didn't realise it can be classed as reliable. I've used dorsetforyou quite a bit in the past, including for parish plans, but I'm curious how you managed to extract a url for a direct link to the document? Usually I'm not able to do this, and instead have to settle to a link to a dorsetforyou page with lists of pdf links that readers can then click on - such as this (and if I try to access such pdfs directly via a google search - i.e. not via dorsetforyou - Wikipedia tells me such links are forbidden for some reason). PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 07:20, 26 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
If you right click on the link, select 'copy shortcut', and paste, this will give you the direct url address to the document. Works for Excel too. I've also received that message and I think it's to do with addresses that contain a redirect from another site. For example, Google. I think Vision of Britain is okay, published by University of Portsmouth, I have used it in a few Good Articles for historical population references and quotes from old travel writers. Am I going mad? Where has BHO been used?--Ykraps (talk) 07:07, 27 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The BHO ref is currently no.4 in the article, under the title 'Okeford Fitzpaine', in An Inventory of the Historical Monuments in Dorset, Volume 3, Central (London, 1970), pp. 200-207. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 07:15, 27 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
On 8 November 2015, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Fuchsia gall mite, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the fuchsia gall mite, a serious pest of Fuchsia, was probably introduced into Europe accidentally by a Fuchsia enthusiast? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Fuchsia gall mite. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
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What I meant was that you must see when a bot edits a page on your watchlist - is that not the case? I've hidden bot edits in my preferences, so don't see when bots edit pages on my watchlist. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 12:09, 17 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, now I see. I probably didn't see it because the historical phrase was mixed along with the last phrase were it mentions Britain's modern status. I apologize for my misread. (N0n3up (talk) 19:56, 15 December 2015 (UTC))[reply]
Hi PaleCloudedWhite. Thanks for your comment, but en dashes – with spaces before and after – are used to separate clauses in sentences in British English, not em dashes with are mostly found in US English. My corrections, therefore, are correct and I would ask you to leave them as they are. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Neilinabbey (talk • contribs) 21:44, 25 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Merry Christmas to you and all at PCW Towers. It only sounds a little festive (perhaps you could add some bells as an accompaniment), but this number does at least feature everyone's fave glossolalist. [9] Best wishes. --Hillbillyholidaytalk
Thankyou to everyone who has given me greetings and messages of goodwill over this holiday season. I'm very sorry not to have responded individually or in kind, but at the moment my life outside Wikipedia is causing me difficulties and I just haven't had the energy to engage in human interaction. I guess the medical profession might say I was clinically depressed. Anyway, I haven't gone away and I do think of you all (strange but true!), but at the moment my editing is likely to be sporadic. Bear with me and normal service (whatever that was...) should be resumed at some point.... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 00:03, 30 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
"The colour and form of the flower is somewhere between Alberic Barbier and Paul's Himalayan Musk, although there is little sense, just fait odour of cat pee".
Hmm, it does sound like quite a thorny problem. I'm afraid I'm feeling a bit overwhelmed by my own greenery at the moment, though I do know someone who's very knowledgeable on matters horticultural, and might be able to help.... A Welched Ode Tulip
Thank you PCW for you diligent, sane, presence in this crazy place. When people can't tell a rodent from a sea-slug, their edits need to be watched carefully. Thank you for watching my user page. (It's reminiscent of something we saw before, but this time coming from Perth, Australia, not Zaragoza.) Sminthopsis84 (talk) 16:19, 5 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Etesp2 added more or less the same material about Lilium toxicity to cats to other Lilium species articles. The addition was well-meant, but your reduction at Lilium regale was valuable; if you have the time and energy you might copy it elsewhere.
By the way, the correct citation for one of the references used is:
<ref>{{Cite journal |last1=Fitzgerald |first1=K.T. |date=2010 |title=Lily toxicity in the cat |journal=Topics in Companion Animal Medicine |volume=25 |issue=4 |pages=213–217 |doi=10.1053/j.tcam.2010.09.006 |pmid=21147474 }}</ref>
Thankyou Peter. I had noticed Etesp2's edits to other Lilium articles, but hadn't had the mental energy to do anything about them, partially because I felt that further adjustments were needed at Lilium regale - though this will now be easier, thanks to your providing of the proper cite format (I've never got round to understanding some of the template parameters involved in citing journals - "doi" for example has always remained a mystery...) PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 21:51, 10 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thankyou Martin. A nice trad tune. Yes, my editing has been a bit disrupted of late - a consequence of having to move house. People say that it's stressful, and I don't disagree. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 11:31, 27 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Well thankyou everyone - for the food (I am underweight, or so I'm told....), the chat, the esoteric formatting (I can't fathom how the "#As food" link works, Gareth....) PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 01:01, 9 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Ah yes, much better! (I didn't realise it was an error - I thought you'd done something terribly advanced that I just hadn't encountered before!) PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 13:28, 9 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Wikipedia appreciates your help. We noticed though that when you edited Heanor, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Smalley. Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ • Join us at the DPL WikiProject.
Hello! As someone involved in WikiProject Dorset I just wanted to let you know that a relevant article, the Dorset Ooser, is currently undergoing FAC if you would be interested in taking a look at it and offering your opinion. Best, Midnightblueowl (talk) 12:57, 29 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for letting me know about this. I'm a bit short of time at the moment (moving house for the second time in 2 months), but I'll try and input a bit. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 07:41, 8 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for fixing my peony edit. Seems the order changed some time ago and the information is inconsistent. The original was indeed correct my references were not. Thanks for double checking.
My one, in my view is much better than the previous one. It is much more updated and of better quality, it's not hazy, look at the larger image. Also the current one which I updated looks pixelated in some areas plus it was taken quite a long time ago. Thanks for letting me discuss this.
P.S Sorry if my words sound like I'm angry or annoyed. :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by MajesticEli (talk • contribs) 15:12, 7 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Looking back at both on the revision, without looking at the larger image, just the thumb image, I can see what you mean, I will try again sometime maybe with a better image, Sorry. Thanks for responding. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MajesticEli (talk • contribs) 15:41, 7 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Images in articles should illustrate parts of the text. Currently the article is quite well furnished with images, except for the culture and transport sections, so really it would be better to produce images that can be used to specifically illustrate those. However, if you are not already aware, there is always scope for adding images to Commons, which is a general repository for images. I have edited your image's categories so that it now appears on the Commons page for Bridport (and you can see the 'blurred effect' more obviously there, in comparison to all the other images). PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 16:04, 7 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
If you're based in Bridport, you'll be well placed to catch things occurring on specific days, so why not take photos of some of the events in the town? Such images could be added to the article to illustrate the culture section - read the section to get an idea of what could be illustrated. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 16:27, 7 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Bridport Info Box Image Outcome
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User:SovalValtos
I have looked at both images and in commons. It is disappointing how few worthwhile images there are in commons. Neither IMHO of the two in question are ideal. geography.org.uk - 47461 has bunting, cars and street furniture distracting from the essentials and is a small file not capable of enlargement. Bridport in 2016.png looks hazy, not perhaps because the image is hazy or out of focus, but likely because it was taken at a time and on a day (last Saturday) when conditions were not ideal, or alternatively the levels are such that there is not enough contrast. It would benefit from cropping to remove some of the area on the left taken by a bush and if re-taken careful positioning to remove the nettle that crosses the buildings. A view of the town from a vantage point is useful. On balance the status quo anti should be kept until an improved version of the new image is available. It is nice to find someoneUser:MajesticEli who cares enough to go out and take good images.SovalValtos (talk) 22:32, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
My Reply
Thanks User:SovalValtos for letting me know, I will try again sometime. I'm glad you agree the vantage point is useful, and I plan to take a photo like it in the future. Thanks User:PaleCloudedWhite for responding to my comments and engaging in this debate. I hope to work with both of you.
My Response to You
Just wanted to let you know about the outcome. I will continue editing Bridport, as well as adding new information and possibly new images, but for now the 'debate' on the info box image has been settled and you won it, Congrats. Sorry for the 'conflict'.
The Socratic Barnstar
Awarded to User:PaleCloudedWhite for your extremely skilled and eloquent arguments towards keeping the current image on the Bridport article info box. MajesticEli (talk) 09:44, 9 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, although you don't have to apologise for what you call 'conflict' - disagreements and discussions are how Wikipedia tends to operate. I also prefer not to think in terms of winning and losing - the only real concern should be getting what's best for articles. But anyway, thanks. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 10:34, 10 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Hafs. Sorry for the delay in replying - my current work schedule means I am away from the internet for days at a time, then when I reconnect I'm often too tired to properly engage at first. Also, I got distracted by 'Boobgate'... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 18:44, 29 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
"Call me neurotic, but whenever I see a pair of obviously augmented breasts, I get paranoid that she’s a terrorist and that her ta-tas are wired to explode at any second. I feel much safer around real ones."[12] - so says "Cliff" (wired for an explosive sound, obviously), aged a mere 26.... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 23:29, 7 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, it is the plant that I usually regard as a weed - albeit quite attractive, and not a nuisance. My guess is it might be Linaria purpurea, commonly known as purple toadflax, though again perhaps Sminthopsis84 can confirm? PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 15:54, 13 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Hi. I've noticed the good work you do on here. I was wondering if you'd be interested in contributing to this ambitious British Isles challenge to bringing about 10,000 improvements to the UK and Ireland. The drive is fuelled by regional contests every few months. We will get to Scotland in the new year sometime. If you'd be interested in chipping in with the articles you improve please add your name to the participants and start adding your entries to the big list. Diversity of input will make it much more interesting to peruse! Thanks.♦ Dr. Blofeld08:29, 13 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the invite, though competitions don't really have much appeal for me. Also, I'm virtually part-time on here these days, due to work commitments. But thanks anyway. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 09:06, 13 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I have been improving Dorchester, Dorset for the West Country Challenge. So I'm trying to do what the GA reviewer wanted: "How does the ONS differentiate between a dwelling and a household? Might be worth including very brief definitions in parentheses.", and you come along and revert my definitions. How would you describe a household in three words? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 19:29, 5 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I can see that you were trying to do what the reviewer wanted, but in my opinion your definitions were factually incorrect. Did you use ONS definitions? And please refrain from referring to my editing in a mildly derogative way; I didn't "come along" any more than you "come along" when editing any article. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 20:01, 5 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Just want to add my complete support for PaleCloudedWhite's comments above. Any editor has a right to revert a "edit" which are factually incorrect, especially an editor with long-standing interest in Dorchester, plus there is no need for derogatory comments from Cwmhiraeth. David J Johnson (talk) 20:16, 5 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Well, lets not make a mountain out of a molehill here. At the request of the GA reviewer, I added "(includes shared dwellings)" after the word "dwellings" and "(single family dwellings)" after the word "household". PaleCloudedWhite tells me that the second gloss is wrong and that's fair enough, but I thought his/her action in reverting the edit uncooperative. A cooperative edit would have been to substitute a better gloss. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:09, 6 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
There is nothing uncooperative about removing something perceived as incorrect, though the reason that I didn't substitute a better gloss is because I didn't have time to study the ONS site to find their definition of dwelling and household. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 06:44, 6 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I'm a bit shocked. Thought he'd battle on for years. Only last week I was watching an old live performance in which he obviously really enjoyed himself. I know he smoked like a trooper but still. Maybe the botched lip surgery caused too much damage - the leaking filler went all round his body; his kidneys were affected so maybe his heart also? By the way, I now live in the county that boasts Angelina Jolie's new favourite accent. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 19:32, 24 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Mr Burns on meeting Jimmy Savile while in the Big Brother house: "I hadn't slept in three days and there was no food, and when I opened the door I thought it was Barbara Cartland." PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 21:36, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Did you not look at the article after your first series of edits? The format of the table was disturbed (one column having no heading and almost empty), the list of areas was no longer alphabetical (with extraneous characters dotted around), and when looking at your edits, you seemed to be removing entries, yet you provided no explanation why. You should use edit summaries - at least then other editors have a better chance of understanding what you are trying to do. And in the meantime, please make sure that the article is legible after every edit you do - readers shouldn't have to wait days until you've finished everything (whenever that may be). PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 11:05, 20 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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I think I've given a few people that impression Gareth, probably due to my lifelong fascination with Dorset. But I grew up on the edge of the Peak District and now, after 25 years in Greater London, I'm back 'oop north'. I still go back to London for work, but looking to reduce that and eventually wave goodbye to it. Much better to drive to work over green hills and wild moors! PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 10:35, 23 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Hi PaleCloudedWhite. Thanks for your comment, but en dashes – with spaces before and after – are used to separate clauses in sentences in British English, not em dashes with are mostly found in US English. My corrections, therefore, are correct and I would ask you to leave them as they are. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Neilinabbey (talk • contribs) 21:44, 25 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It's not so much the joint deaths article that I object to - although a bit distasteful, it may prove to be allowable under WP notability criteria - but the removal of all info from the individual article(s) into it. These are individuals who led lives that meant their deaths are significant in their own right, independently of each other, and they should be afforded the respect of treating them as such, regardless of whether or not we also have an article on the media commenting on the closeness of their deaths. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 10:48, 30 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your interest but in case you don't know it, including a quote said in another language is allowed if it is translated. Concerning Suede, I gladly withdrew the "hailed" word and replaced it by "namechecked" per wp:STICKTOSOURCE. Carliertwo (talk)
So, Carliertwo, I see that an admin has blocked you for 48 hours for edit warring and "textbook battleground behaviour". I hope that you are able to learn from this and adopt a more collaborative approach, otherwise events are only likely to be repeated. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 14:48, 4 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Re. 'Removed unnecessary editorializing' I have not undone this edit but I feel those extra few words tie the statement into the rest of the article!Tad102 (talk) 01:10, 18 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The words add no information but they do unnecessarily direct readers into following a certain opinion. The readers have already been informed how much Williams was paid for each Carry On film, and if they want to feel surprise when subsequently reading how much his estate was worth, then that's up to each individual reader. As far as I am concerned, the size of Williams' estate is not at all surprising, given his well established prudence over financial matters and the large amount of work he did - not only in the Carry Ons. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 08:16, 18 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Well you may not find the size of William's estate surprising but I did, and other would too, and it is an additional piece of information about this actor!Tad102 (talk) 14:10, 18 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
(talk page stalker) Williams complained in his private diaries that he was poorly paid for his Carry On films. But I don't see why this premise is "notorious". The value of his estate is a simple fact -it can speak for itself. Or do you have some kind of vested interest in righting a great wrong here?? Martinevans123 (talk) 15:53, 18 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I don't quite understand what point you are trying to make here; the addition of one sentence to a page mentioning a modest fact, about that individual is the only 'point' one is trying to 'make here!' Tad102 (talk) 16:54, 18 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
One further point for the owner of this talk page, in future you may be so advised to use the following template highlighting the need for a citation rather than simply undoing someone else's contributions . "[citation needed]" Tad102 (talk) 16:54, 18 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Tad102, you state that you found the size of Williams' estate surprising, and that is absolutely fine and I have no quarrel with that. However, your own surprise does not provide a reason for trying to push other readers in the same direction. That is my point. The article can state the size of Williams' estate without any kind of "well who would have thought it" preamble, and readers are free to find it surprising or not according to their own inclination/knowledge. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 18:36, 18 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't realize that there were such strict rules as to how to present a piece of information on this site, and that every fact had to be displayed with as few words as possible in case one risks leading readers into some kind of emotion!Tad102 (talk) 23:34, 18 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Thanks for the mention. Although I've visited Puddletown I have little expertise in this area. The article is lokking good but on a quick scan I'd like to see a little more about the bowl barrows and round barrows on the heath (A search of National heritage List for England shows 78 entries including ancient monuments which don't seem to be included, although the article says there are 56 listed buildings). Islington House (Grade II*) also appears to have some interesting history. Waterston Manor is wikilinked on the 3rd or 4th mention. The Church of St Mary (Grade I) would be worth its own article. Happy to look further if that would be helpful?— Rodtalk06:55, 17 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the patience award, and the review. I don't mind people being sticklers. I hadn't considered FAC though I might now, though the article needs other improvements - I know more can be added on demography and Domesday. There also used to be a 'Rhododendron mile' in Puddletown Forest, which was quite well known locally and mentioned in several sources, though it was cut back a few years ago and I'm not sure if it has been allowed to regrow. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 08:48, 17 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I don't have internet access on my phone so I'll take your word on that particular pleasure, though it is rewarding to get stuff on the main page, and if my photo of Puddletown gets to appear, I might mention it in passing to my parents, who would probably be interested. But I think the main satisfaction for me is simply that of sharing with others something that I find interesting - the classic human desire to say, "have you seen/heard/felt/tasted etc. this?".... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 05:39, 22 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Hi PCW, congrats on getting Puddletown through GAN and thanks for continuing to fly the flag for Dorset. If you are considering taking to FA, one thing worth a mention is the building of a section of the Dorchester bypass between Bere Regis and Stinsford (built in the late 90s?). Before that, all traffic to Weymouth and beyond came through Puddletown. I used to drive passed those rhodedendrons a lot but because of the new road, alas, no more. I cannot therefore say whether they are still there but can confirm that they were spectacular! Best regards--Ykraps (talk) 09:32, 21 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Ykraps. I had previously avoided the whole GA/FA arena because I thought it might squeeze articles into a particular 'shape' that I didn't necessarily agree with. Also I like to potter around editing what I feel like, without any pressure to do this or that, so I've avoided the more competitive or structured elements of the project. But when Dorchester was nominated for GA—not by me, though I'd done a lot of work on the article—and the reviewer said it wasn't far off being FA, I thought maybe I'd been over-egging potential problems, so started having a bash. Besides, if I don't nominate these articles I've been working on, someone else might! Bridport, Blandford, Shaftesbury, Littlebredy and Kimmeridge are probably in a similar state to Dorchester/Puddletown. With regards to Puddletown, if I were to prepare it for FAC I would probably add a transport section, which would cover the bypass. On Rhododendron Mile, this article in the Dorset Echo states that the rhododendrons were cut down because they were unmanageable and overgrown (the article uses a headline about the bushes having been cut down due to 'gay cruising', though this seems to have been a minor concern for the Forestry Commission). In the 1960s Ralph Wightman thought all the people coming to pick the rhododendron flowers might be considered a potential fire hazard, which might have been a factor, though I'm guessing that the reason given in the caption blurb to this image perhaps hits the nail on the head - Rhododendron ponticum is notoriously invasive and likely to be removed on that account alone. Shame though. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 06:42, 22 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Well, who would have thought that sleepy Puddletown had such a vibrant gay scene! It may have been one of the reasons but I believe there is a countywide trend for the removal of non-indigenous species, particularly if they are invasive, as you say. A few years ago they stripped all the bamboo and rhododendrons (sorry, my mistake) from Hengistbury Head (planted by Harry Gordon Selfridge, I believe). One thing you might want to consider, if nominating for FA, is using Historic England for listed buildings [[15]] as British Listed Buildings is normally considered non-RS. See Waterston Manor for example.[[16]] --Ykraps (talk) 12:44, 22 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
For articles generally I've started using Historic England rather than British Listed Buildings, though it's less easy to use when looking for all the sites within a parish - the search results throw up listings in other parishes (because somewhere within the listing text they contain the word of the parish being searched), and there are duplications (e.g. if a building has a general listing and a listing on the 'at risk' register). So every search result has to be inspected one item at a time. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 09:47, 24 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Yeh, it's a bit of a fag. I'll put it on my list of things to do on a rainy day. There's one due shortly, I believe! :).--Ykraps (talk) 04:50, 25 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Puddletown image
Hi, to be honest, I thought it was a great hook but a boring image. That's why I put it in the "quirky" slot to end off the set on a high note. Yoninah (talk) 20:15, 28 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Yoninah:I didn't realise that slots had characteristics. From your reply, it seems that images are included according to the discretion of the prep builder. Would you consider any of the images below to be interesting enough for inclusion? They are all images of human structures, that I have taken myself. I am curious if it is the type of image I produce that you do not care for, or just the Puddletown one. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 21:52, 28 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Dear PaleCloudedWhite: Yes, images are chosen at the discretion of the prep builder. We also try to vary the images in succeeding sets – e.g. person, nature, building, abstract, etc. I think the images you posted here are beautiful, and I encourage you to continue submitting freely-licensed images with your DYK nominations. (If you look at Template talk:Did you know/Approved, you'll see we have a dearth of images to choose from at this time.) But I just felt the image submitted for Puddletown, which looked like the side of a building, was not the most interesting one, especially at thumbnail size. And at the time I was desperately looking for a "quirky" hook (see WP:DYKSG#J7), and your hook fit the bill. Yoninah (talk) 08:06, 29 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Yoninah:Thankyou for explaining your rationale, and for the link to the guidelines page. I decided to use the Puddletown image partly because I just wanted to have a go at a hook with an image, but also because I thought the image of cutesy cottages alongside a hook about the peculiar name might be an interesting juxtaposition that intrigued readers. However I agree that it works less well at thumbnail size, and seeing as much of Puddletown looks different to the image, I have not been arguing to have the image included. I asked the question because it is useful for me to know how the DYK process functions. Do lead hooks generally have a particular tone, and if so, should I only add images to that type of hook? PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 08:45, 29 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
DYK for Puddletown
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Wikipedia:WikiProject Dorset/Map
Hi PCW, thanks for updating the project's map. I had it on my list to do but then I too started to wonder about the sizes. Do you recall why the icons were given different dimensions in the first place?--Ykraps (talk) 17:30, 5 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Ykraps. I can only assume that larger icons had been given to more significant settlements (Dorchester, Bournemouth etc.). I've still retained a size difference, but now it's more subtle. I kept the Dorset FA icon as pretty large, but think that if/when the map fills up, it might be better to push it to the side or - metaphorically speaking - into Lyme Bay, where it won't interfere with other icons. I'm not sure that the Jurassic Coast GA icon should be shown in Devon, but when I was fiddling around with the icons I ran out of mental energy before deciding if there was anywhere better to place it.... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 17:49, 5 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I think the Dorset star is currently at the geographical centre of the county, which makes sense, but I'm not against moving it if it interferes with anything in the future. The Jurassic Coast icon could go at the other end or on the Dorset/Devon border but then those locations might interfere with the Old Harry Rocks and Lyme Regis articles later on. I guess anywhere along the coast would do at a pinch. It's a shame the icons don't reveal the article names when you hover over them, then the positioning would be less of an issue.--Ykraps (talk) 20:43, 5 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I agree it would be nice if the icons had labels that appeared upon request; there might be a techie person somewhere who could help find a way to achieve it. Maybe there's a noticeboard somewhere for asking that sort of thing? PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 15:01, 6 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
That's really great, thanks. It has also made it easier to see if coordinates have been muddled up - there were a couple that had been, so I've corrected them. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 06:49, 9 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oops, I think that was me. With regards to the icon sizes, I've located this conversation[[17]] which suggests that, originally, the size related to the importance. If that is how the project wants to do it, Christchurch ought to be downsized and Jurassic Coast enlarged. Also, do you think this discussion should be moved to the project's talk page?
Jeremy Brett
Thanks for amending the c#ck up that I made on the Jeremy Brett page - I had tried to go back and sort it out but was having no luck!
The show is called "Galactica 1980" - so that does need to be added to the title.
Thanks, although I haven't done much. Considering my general aversion to shopping centres, I'm wondering if your Liffey Valley link needs redirecting elsewhere......? PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 10:15, 18 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Well Martin, I'm not sure whether you're trying to offer some sort of consolation, or if you're taking the piss. I've often not been sure to be honest, and you probably should know that a long while ago I decided to stop posting on your talkpage, because I could never be sure that you welcomed my interjections. Despite this, overall I am rather fond of you - as I am of other decent editors here - and I shall probably miss the positive interactions. This is because, with regards to this recent furore, I have decided as a result to cease involvement in this website, at least for the foreseeable future. I have a very busy life outside of Wikipedia, and no longer wish to give my precious free time to a project in which other members encourage me to enter "discussion" with an abusive individual whose only motivation, it seems to me, is to use this site in order to feel superior. This person would never speak to me in that way outside of this website - they'd risk being punched in the face - and such conduct would never be tolerated in respectable paid employment, so why should I be submitted to it here? The answer is, I choose not to be, and if the WMF wishes for Wikipedia to only be edited by people who are prepared to be abused as reward for their involvement, well that's up to the WMF. For my part, it's goodbye - and thanks for all the fish. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 07:13, 29 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. I'm usually taking the piss. It's my way of offering consolation. All of your interjections on my Talk Page, over all the years, have been totally welcomed. I do hope you reconsider as you are a sensible, clever and thoughtful editor - and they often seem to be in short supply. But I understand your sense of frustration. Real life is not worth the extra stress. Honestly I don't know where to look. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:07, 29 June 2017 (UTC) of course, if you do stay around, I'll do my best to make out that you insulted my dead grandmother and tell you you're a lazy ignorant bastard"... I won't forget interjections like this in a hurry, you great steaming ninny... [reply]
Thankyou all for your kind words. After two months of not being involved, I seem to find myself getting drawn back into editing. It's difficult to stay away. But I doubt I'll be editing in quite the same way that I used to. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 14:56, 10 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I used to run a lot as a teenager - anything from 400 metres to 3,000 metres and, in the winter, cross-country events. I wasn't bad - ran for my county - but these days I prefer to walk, preferably with a camera at the ready. Recent events here mean I won't be editing like before; it is obvious to me now that the WMF (unlike most respectable organisations) isn't interested in the welfare of its volunteer workforce, so instead I shall take care of myself. On that note, someone once commented that I was "spiky underneath" - I shall probably be more inclined to show that side. Btw, I think these 'Hot Lips' look less pornographic than your example......... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 21:10, 15 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Hi PCW, I'm currently trying to knock this article into shape, and I vaguely remember a conversation you and I had on the subject (although I am unable to find it) in which you referenced some information about its distribution. If you have any spare time, perhaps you could take a look and see if there's anything you can add. Also what are your thoughts about a possible merger with Glossary of Dorset dialect words?--Ykraps (talk) 18:59, 3 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Ykraps, apologies for the delay - I've been a bit disenchanted with Wikipedia recently - but I think the conversation you're referring to was about Wightman's comment (in Portrait of Dorset) about the Melcombe Bingham / Bingham's Melcombe area (commonly referred to as Hartfoot Lane). He says, "This must be near the geographical centre of Dorset. Hartfoot may be the correct name but "Arfurd" is nearer the local pronunciation—Dorset men do drop theirt aitches whatever the scholars may claim. In my youth I remember it as full of incredibly old people. The dialect was the richest in the county and the least contaminated by Devon or the New Forest." Wightman was born in 1901, and the first edition of Portrait... came out in 1965. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 09:36, 17 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, that sounds like the conversation. I was looking to reference this sentence, "It was mainly spoken in the Blackmore Vale in North Dorset, not so prevalent in the south of the county and less so in the south-east, which was historically in Hampshire prior to local government re-organisation in 1974", which I have used in Dorset dialect#Origins and Distribution. Do you have anything that would help with that? I gathered that you'd had a disagreement of some sorts and had decided to take some time out. I am glad to see you back as you were (are?) one of the more active project members, particularly since Barret stopped editing. Take a break by all means but don't let people drive you away.--Ykraps (talk) 10:13, 17 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Did you add that sentence yourself? It's slightly contradicted by Wightman's comment - though Hartfoot Lane is on the edge of the Vale. I'm wondering if the fact that Barnes and Young both wrote in dialect and both were from the Blackmore Vale might have influenced people's perceptions? Would this source be considered reliable enough for the glossary article? I'm thinking probably not, though a casual perusal suggests they (The Echo) have researched it. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 12:29, 17 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I added it myself. It's something I was sure was correct, and I thought it would be simple to verify later but now I'm having trouble. I'm not sure the source you've linked to will do; it doesn't seem to discuss the distribution at all. However, it is perfect for referencing the sentence about J K Rowling (something else I remember reading then couldn't find again) so thanks for that.--Ykraps (talk) 15:47, 17 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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You make a good point; thank you. What if we reworded it to talk about the Arctic Circle? That's a little north of 66°33', so judging by Extreme points of Scotland, everything's within twelve degrees; however, I can't think of an easy way to say it, since "within twelve degrees" might require more explanation for people not familiar with DMS, and that kind of explanation would be out of place. Nyttend (talk) 02:36, 10 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Nyttend: Of course, those particular sentences are unsourced anyway, and are only there as an introductory preamble to the hardiness ratings that the RHS has produced. I've reworded them before, after their original insertion (when they erroneously stated that Scotland experienced subtropical conditions). So it might be better just to simply state that for the climatic conditions found in the UK, the RHS has produced its own system of measuring/assessing hardiness, different to the USDA system that's used in the USA. The whole article probably needs an overhaul - I see it currently contains the line "Winter-hardy plants grow during the winter", which is vague and misleading. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 12:01, 10 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Hm, interesting. I'd seen that source three provided no URL, so I assumed that it was some print publication; not until looking at it just now did I realise that RHS 2017 appears one section below. Thank you for catching that. Nyttend (talk) 12:42, 10 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Please consider changing the main image of the english version of the article. It depicts a dark, sad image of the artist and promotes bad judgement about those seeking mental health support leading to stigmatized view about those coping with depression and doesn't relate with the profession of the artist.
If you can't find (suggestion, because I can not upload images using mobile) images of the event Healing Story by Jonghyun (Newsen media outlet images of the event are not copyright restricted and can be used without issue with credits. I suggest using the same image of the Korean version of the article.
This is very important. I hope you can help. As a depressed person and also as a fan, I count with your help to aid others to see a better image than this darkness connotation. Thank you. AuraAcqua (talk) 20:33, 25 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Thankyou Gareth. I had forgotten it was Wales' national day tomorrow - despite having once lived in Wales and holidayed there numerous times. Well, I had some leek and potato soup yesterday, so obviously at least part of me somehow knew.... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 20:52, 28 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
On one Welsh family holiday when I was a child (I think we were staying in Manorbier), my brother bought a toy leek, rather akin to this one. We imaginatively named it "Leek", gave it a character and it became a favoured plaything. One year, on April Fool's Day, we carefully placed little Leek - with its smiley face upwards - on the floor of the bathroom in our house, then ran downstairs and uttered, in as convincingly serious a manner as we could muster, "Dad! Dad! There's a leak in the bathroom!" He ran upstairs, all concerned. How we laughed.... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 16:35, 1 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I've had a quick scan. I probably would have given it a 'C', in the same way I upgraded Sydling St Nicholas to 'C' (I always reassess articles I've worked on myself), though the project's assessment page (which is on my watchlist - but I didn't notice your request for some reason) says that a 'C' article may be "missing important content or contains much irrelevant material", so it probably veers toward a 'B'. I think these things are just a rough guide. l'll have a proper look later. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 10:00, 17 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I find appraising my own work difficult, although I know it's a common and acceptable practice, so thanks for taking a look.--Ykraps (talk) 10:35, 17 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I've placed Burton as a 'B' class, as it seems to fit the criteria on the project's assessment page. The article seems a little short, but I know it's often difficult to find masses of material for village articles. Perhaps it could be possible to find something about the geology? PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 10:33, 19 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I saw that you made a few edits as well so thanks for those too. All I could find geology-wise was that it sits on a gravel terrace. I assume the bedrock is the same as the surrounding area but there doesn't appear to be anything on that either. I'll have a look in the local library when I next get an opportunity. Thanks once again.--Ykraps (talk) 06:04, 20 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Dorchester Postcode area
Hello Cissie, Can I suggest you take a look at the Redlink "contributors" rather silly note on my Talk page. He seems to think he knows more than someone who lives there, or takes a great interest in Dorchester and Dorset in general. Best wishes Aida (David), David J Johnson (talk) 22:28, 24 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Ooh Ada, you've been seeing red! Actually, I think they just believed that the postcode parameter in the infobox is for all postcodes covered by that posttown, whereas that's not my understanding of it. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 10:03, 25 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Rohit's Plants
Hello, I was just wondering why my addition of Rohit's Plants to the list of individual trees was taken down. The list of individual trees is shockingly lacking in its coverage and I was trying to begin a movement towards making the list more complete. The plants in question are, in fact, trees (except for the orchid), and I believe that the fact that all of the plants are named Roplant certainly makes them notable. Thank you. Rohitsplants (talk) 21:52, 6 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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I'm somewhat gobsmacked that you don't see that the problem is not whether you frequent drag bars (well done finding one in Dorset) but that you accused someone else of doing so. This is probably even more offensive coming from a gay person. Johnbod (talk) 14:45, 29 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
But no-one accused anyone of "frequenting" anywhere? As I read it, the comment was about the tone of the preceding comment: "You remind me of a much famed great aunt of mine who always uses “we” to add hauteur to an argument that she knows is lost". Even if someone had accused anyone of "frequenting drag bars" why exactly would that be "offensive"? Whether you're gay, straight or whichever way inclined? Martinevans123 (talk) 15:31, 29 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Thankyou Martin and thankyou Gareth; you are both proper gentlemen. Johnbod, thankyou for your comment; Martin has expressed my sentiment on this matter. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 07:48, 30 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Wow. Do people who "seem to be missing persons from Coventry" always end up at Los Angeles Public Library? I see that this has been going on since February this year? Martinevans123 (talk) 08:45, 13 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Well I'm glad you gave them a 3RR warning, as I've a feeling I'll have to file a report, and we all know that admin likes warnings to be given first..... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 19:39, 8 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Thankyou Martin. I don't know whether I'll get round to sending greetings to editors this year - I'm a bit whacked out mentally - so I'll send best wishes to you from here, just in case. (The Divine David clip that I link to at the top of the page - beneath the snowman - is good for a Christmas laugh). (Unless you're a German vegetarian, perhaps...?) PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 23:18, 23 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
... gan yr hen Gymro; rwy'n gobeithio eich bod wedi cael gwyliau Nadolig gwych ac rwy'n dymuno 2019 heddychlon i chi! That is Welsh and translates to: Spicy hot wine for you from the old Welshman; I hope you have had a great Christmas holiday and I wish you a peaceful 2019! Thank you for your excellent work on the 'pedia, but I am sad to read the first part of your reply to Martin.
Thankyou Gareth. I was going to learn Welsh once - when I worked in north Wales - but I left before making it a reality. Shame really - I've always liked the sound of it as a language. Best wishes for the coming year! PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 22:57, 1 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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... for all copy editors? There are occasions when a comma is required after the first two words, e.g. "In 2017, as in the previous year, Monty Don presented the show from Chelsea..."i.e. to contain a subordinate clause, but not always e.g. "In 2017, Monty Don presented the show from Chelsea..." Aaaaarrghhhh!!!! Martinevans123 (talk) 20:14, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
"Comma-rhea" is everywhere on Wikipedia, particularly when a sentence begins with "In [year]". Is it an age thing? Can't the youth of today say more than 2 words without pausing for breath? PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 20:41, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I think I've still got a "Corgi 462 Commer Van Co-op"[28] lurking somewhere in the attic, though I played with it so much as a kid, I don't think it could sell for anything like £450 - maybe 4.5p would be achievable.... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 21:19, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I have undone this edit, which has been discussed on the LGBT noticeboard. You may want to engage there before trimming again. I agree the quote is long, but the change you made simply made it look like a mystery as to why Navratilova was removed from the AA board. Either we go back to stating that her op-ed was considered transphobic by AA, or we quote AA saying the same thing. Thanks --Fæ (talk) 22:09, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Don't bother editing the Brexit article, Snooganssnoogans will revert you. He owns the article (WP:OWN). Just look at his talk page to get an idea of his conception of a collaborative encyclopedia. The only way to shut him up would be to make a consensus building talk, as I think that most people agree that the Brexit page cannot only rely on academic studies, but I cannot find the template. T8612(talk)01:46, 13 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I'm a journalist for Wired UK magazine and I'm writing a piece about the Brexit Wikipedia page. I see that you've been a really active contributor to the entry and would love to talk to you about it. Are you up for being interviewed for the piece?
Hi. Thanks for your interest. I see from your contributions that you've only contacted me regarding this, and no other editors, though I haven't edited the article nearly as much as several other editors. So my question is, why pick me? PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 20:56, 10 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The honest answer is that I am planning to contact other editors too, but I just wanted to fire off one request before I left work yesterday afternoon. The idea is to talk to a bunch of editors involved in this – I'm really interested in speaking to any editor that's up for talking to me. Mrey445 (talk) 08:43, 11 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I'm interested in how editors handle a topic that changes so quickly and is so dogged by potential bias. I don't have a particular angle really, I'm just interested to talk to editors about how they edit, the challenges they face, why they do it, etc. Mrey445 (talk) 10:01, 11 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I am reluctant because: 1) You might be one of the other editors 2) There would be a limit to what I could say beyond my own suspicions, as yet unverified by Wikipedia admin 3) My personal experiences with journalists/journalism haven't been good. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 08:51, 16 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, I see that a long time ago you reverted on this article when an editor started placing tags rather than correcting deficiencies. He seems to have come back for another try. I've tidied up for now but I do wonder what's going on there, and what may happen next. All the best, Chiswick Chap (talk) 20:14, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Chiswick Chap. I remember that episode, though I feel I should add a disclaimer that just because I said something in 2012, that doesn't necessarily mean I would say the same again, should the same situation arise - 2012 is a wiki-lifetime away! From what I remember, the Tree article was completely rewritten around that time, and that other editor didn't like the rewrite (they weren't the only one, as I recall). There was edit warring and disagreement and the usual wiki-harmony that we all know and love. I can't remember how it was all resolved, if indeed it ever was. Perhaps the disgruntled editor is still disgruntled. Perhaps there are botanical errors in the article. It would seem a talkpage chat would be the best place to assess issues. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 07:46, 18 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed. I revised the article extensively and brought it to GA status in October 2014. I recall that adding a detailed definition and cited discussion of what "tree" meant, noting that it was not a botanically precise term, took most of the wind out of the wiki-warriors' sails. BTW he's just this morning been indeffed for other recent edits. Chiswick Chap (talk) 07:59, 18 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Whaley Bridge reversion
Hi there. On balance, I will agree at the moment with the reversion of my edit on this article, although if the town remains in its current status for a lot longer, then a time may come at which it should be entered into the article on here. The town has been evacuated for three days already now, so it is hardly "breaking" news anymore. I will agree though, as I recognise it was a borderline edit although I also felt the use that, if anyone not knowing what had happened in the area, happened to visit the article and was planning to visit the town, that mention at the outset would alert them as opposed to a small section on the evacuation well down the article which doesn't actually reflect the nature of the town at the moment. Although that said, the point about it being a news event is also somewhat valid. aspaa (talk) 01:06, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Consideration should always be given to the fact that this is an encyclopaedia, not a visitor guide. In the context of the town's history the current event is not as significant as it may seem to people who watch the news. Obviously if the dam were to burst and wash away half the town, this would change somewhat. Please remember also that, generally, discussions about articles should occur at article talk pages, so that other editors can see them too. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 04:46, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps I contextualise too much. So you win. However I do have a point (often seen among contributors with a historic lens). The reason for which unexpectedly Surrey is the most wooded by % of land use is that it's shed its most urban third, instead if people are left to posit that it just so happens it's rich in woodland and omit its own motorways, pollution and allowing of Londonisation from 1800 to 1965 then that negates the truth. Like Lancashire it's a fair analysis to say "what is left of...outside of its offshoot adjoining city districts". There is a hard core Labour disposition to erode the green belt and which cites peacock statements like it's the most wooded and adds what's all that woodland for without thinking one jot how that statistic came about; using lies, damned lies and statistic, there's a hard core Tory dispoition to ignore the fact the many golf courses would be much better as crop fields or nature reserves so what green lungs there are to start to off set the M25 pollution aren't inclusive do not benefit everyone much as they should do.
I suppose it will do as a green credential but let's hope it's necessity isn't airbrushed. Well-considered academics would note the woodland fact has been counterbalanced by the scant woodland, hedges and fields left over today in the bit that's become London.- Adam37Talk10:44, 10 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Hello Adam37. We as Wikipedia editors should merely state, in our own words, what the reliable sources state. It isn't our responsibility to provide a wider context for readers. A number of your edits have cropped up on my watchlist recently, and each time you have added unsourced information that seems to have come from your own ideas on what readers should know. Also, I don't know if other editors have commented on this, but I think your prose would be improved if you shortened your sentences and didn't try to say so much within each one, as otherwise the result tends to sound like stream-of-consciousness writing that sometimes is quite difficult to make sense of. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 15:33, 10 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
To what are you applying this as an explanation - the addition of extra/unsourced information, or the use of long sentences that are more difficult to comprehend due to their minimal punctuation? PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 15:48, 10 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Hi! Sorry to bother you. I'm currently nominating Pekarangan, an article abut tropical gardening I've made recently, for GA. I've found that you are a member of the Wikipedia:WikiProject Horticulture and Gardening and have been active in Wikipedia lately. If you have time, could you review the article if nobody has done it yet? (I'm messaging several other users in this format, just in case). If you decline due to various reasons, could you recommend another potential user to review it? Thank you in advance. Dhio-27059912:54, 27 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Hello Dhio270599. Yes I am involved in horticulture generally, though I have no experience of tropical horticulture, or reviewing articles for GA. An initial scan of the article leads me to question how a pekarangan differs from other types of home garden or smallholding, either within Indonesia or compared to home gardens elsewhere around the globe? I notice that in the early revisions of the article, you also seemed to be unsure how to define it e.g stating that a pekarangan is "whatever" [30]. Does this reflect a difficulty in defining what they are? PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 08:30, 28 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
It was a trivial edit I had made when I was making the article in my user sandbox (hence, not an article per the edit). At that time, I thought: "Can't conclude it before the sections are sufficiently complete; need to verify the sections by reliable sources first". I've moved my sandbox page to the article link, therefore bringing its previous edit history to the article as well. My fault; should'nt have been done. For the topic itself... well, it's a bit hard to define the limitations. The stark ones are "the gardens are in dwellings and in Indonesia"; that's the undersanding I've got of their limitations when I've read related literatures. Some of the ones I've cited don't have "pekarangan" written -- the term "(Indonesian) / (Javanese and/or Sundanese) home gardens" is frequently used as a substitute. An Indonesian source I've cited (Ashari et al.) mentioned how the term "pekarangan", even within its scope as a home garden, has multi-interpretations. Dhio-27059912:18, 28 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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"A roast turkey prepared for a traditional U.K. Church Fête Raffle celebration." Note: the white plastic object in the breast has been inserted by MORI
I saw a turkey like that once in a restaurant in Woking, don't you know. It was a long time ago, but I remember it very specifically because I very rarely go to restaurants, and even more rarely go to Woking. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 08:38, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Martin. Sorry for the lack of response. I haven't been able to face editing Wikipedia for quite some time - just became too weary of all the fighting and bad blood, the pointless quarreling over unimportant things, the egos, the cheating and gaming of the system, the cliques and cowards, the less than neutral administration ... you can probably imagine. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 13:57, 9 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, North. I haven't been editing recently, hence my lack of response - see my reply to Martin, above. Thanks for being a calm presence around here, and for your kind words over the years. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 14:11, 9 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Hello again, yes it is an image that I took. Apologies for the delay in replying, but I'm not very involved in Wikipedia these days, and I can only find motivation for a few simple edits that require little effort. As I understand it, copyright on Wikimedia projects (including Wikipedia) operates under the copyleft system, which means that images covered by it are free to reproduce provided that that use also allows freedom of use (i.e. the image you wish to use can be used, but must not be covered under any copyright - it must be exempt from a general copyright of the book, and still be free to reproduce elsewhere). One of the links on the page of my picture takes you to this page, which explains the position on use and attribution. On the latter issue, you can attribute the image to "Wikipedia" or perhaps "Wikimedia Commons", and if you want to be specific you could attribute it to "Wikipedia editor PaleCloudedWhite", which might sound a little strange but I prefer to keep some anonymity on here as not all editors are nice people. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 07:54, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, very good. I hadn't noticed it was one of 'yours'. It must be pleasing having something you're particularly interested in on the main page - I sometimes think about creating an FA myself, though am put off by some of the 'gatekeepers' of the FA process... Thanks for the 'precious' encouragement - it surprises me that I'll soon have been editing here for ten years......... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 21:28, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. This one was especially pleasing more on my talk an here. - Try it, pick a nice small topic, and trust that you will find supporters. Look at the Monteverdi FAC: great comments, great collaboration! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:41, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Do you mean the hills? Glad you like them. Not much happens round here these days - I seem to have become a bit of a recluse (haha!). Thankyou for dropping by. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 20:37, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thankyou Martin. I don't invest much energy on Wikipedia these days - I can't stomach all the disagreement (it's just too wearisome and not good for the blood pressure). Though I did almost interject recently when someone with, er, shall we say, a 'passion for wailing', told you to stop "polluting" their talkpage the other day, which made me laugh and think of leopards and spots, lol. Polio-victim-fronted musical groups indeed! PaleCloudedWhite (talk)
I've got one Blockheads LP - a compilation ("What a Waste: The Collection"). Whenever I play it, for some reason, "There Ain't Half Been Some Clever B*******" always sticks in my head all day. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 22:01, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Transvision Vamp! Pete Burns said that Wendy James "hated my guts", and when she reviewed one of Dead Or Alive's videos she said, "just a stupid poofy boy with poofy hairdo", lol. Burns thought she was fabulous, but then I think he always liked women who were a bit mouthy and off the rails.... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 16:44, 4 December 2021 (UTC) Yes I am well, thankyou. Are you?[reply]
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