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(Dongwong (talk) 05:20, 31 July 2008 (UTC))[reply]

'A' Ottawa nor Bariie Ontario is not part of South Ontario

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First Barrie is Northern ONtario Ottawa is Eastern Ontario for Example Cheo of Eastern Ontario is located in Ottawa

check an ontario Map —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.230.22.192 (talk) 16:10, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Barrie is in Southern Ontario, not Northern Ontario. The dividing line between those two regions is the French River near Sudbury, and Barrie — which is only just barely outside of the freaking GTA — is very south of that. And Eastern Ontario is part of Southern Ontario — the term "Southern Ontario" means the whole portion of the province that's south of the French River/Lake Nipissing; Eastern, Central and Southwestern Ontario and the GTA are subregions of Southern Ontario as a whole. And just to forestall the claim you made in your edit summary, I'm no foreigner: I've never lived outside of Ontario in my life, and I've lived in Sudbury, Ottawa and Toronto. So believe me, I know intimately well what I'm talking about. Bearcat (talk) 19:10, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

do do i Ottawa is not part of Southern Ontario

ask anyone and they will tell you ottawa is Eastern not Southern.

check your maps

i took several college courses on geography and it shows Ottawa as Eastern Ontario not Northern

Come on you dont know anything —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.230.22.192 (talk) 20:09, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Again: Eastern Ontario is part of Southern Ontario. "Southern Ontario" encompasses Eastern Ontario and Central Ontario and Southwestern Ontario and the GTA/Golden Horseshoe. Being in Eastern Ontario and being in Southern Ontario are not mutually exclusive. Nobody here is failing to check any maps...except maybe you, Mr. Barrie-is-in-Northern-Ontario. Bearcat (talk) 20:14, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
If you are going to break it down to two regions (for simplicity I think that is best), Bearcat is right (Barrie and Ottawa are both in Southern Ontario, Eastern Ontario being a part of Southern Ontario), the break line (in that area) is at the French River (close to the border of Sudbury District and Parry Sound District), not Highway 7, as many people who live in Southern Ontario would believe.--kelapstick (talk) 00:05, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
"Northern" and "Southern" are relative concepts. I have no doubt Ottawa would be viewed as being in Southern Ontario by someone in, say, Timmins. But being born and bred in Ottawa, I have to say, with all due respect, there is no bleeping way that Ottawa is in Southern Ontario -- in that part of the world, Southern Ontario is a 4 hour drive down the 401. In any event, I have never heard of this concept that Ontario is divided into north and south by some well-known dividing line, and everything in the province falls into one or the other. I note that the Southern Ontario article has only one source - a 1984 MNR manual. Various parts of the Province are designated as different regions by the Province for different purposes -- I'm sure we could locate hundreds of provincial publications from the last 20 years that all define Southern Ontario differently.

I have to side with the anon on this one (well, except for his rude "Come on you dont know anything" retort). It's a valid opinion that Ottawa is in Southern Ontario, but it's just that -- an opinion. The term can easily be avoided in this article by just referencing Ottawa or Eastern Ontario. As for Barrie, I have no idea. It seems far north to me, but I don't like to venture north of Steeles Avenue. I'm joking obviously, but it emphasizes that this is all based on the perspective of the individual -- can't we just say Barrie and be done with it?--Skeezix1000 (talk) 01:16, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This has to do with the "location" field in the infobox. It's either Southern Ontario and Vancouver Island or Windsor and Wingham and London and Barrie and Ottawa and Victoria, and the latter is simply excessive. And it's not my experience that "Southern Ontario" refers only to a portion of what's south of the French River, either; if people are referring to a specific subregion of the province, they'll say "Central Ontario" or "Western Ontario" or "the GTA" or "the Golden Horseshoe", but I've never heard anybody use "Southern Ontario" to mean only "the portion of Ontario which immediately surrounds Toronto". The term itself does denote everything that isn't specifically Northern Ontario, but it's become quite rare that anybody needs to talk about the whole region as a single entity — which is why this seems confusing to some people: it's not that the term "Southern Ontario" means anything different than what our article says, it just isn't in particularly common usage anymore. IME, anyway. Bearcat (talk) 01:49, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
If it's based on personal experience, why do we need to use it? I'm not sure that "Windsor, Wingham, London, Barrie, Ottawa, and Victoria" is excessive, but if it is, perhaps "Ontario and British Columbia" would work better? --Skeezix1000 (talk) 02:08, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Having only British Columbia and Ontario wouldn't work. A doesn't have a station in Sudbury, Timmins, North Bay, Thunder Bay, and other parts of Northern Ontario. A Victoria only serves Vancouver Island and the Lower Mainland. Emarsee (Talk • Contribs) 02:11, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
You don't see listing six different cities in the location field of a television program's infobox, instead of two regions, as excessive? Not even when the article's body text already provides more specific details anyway? (And just for the record, can you also see the potential problem in granting too much credibility to an editor who once claimed that the only city in Ontario that didn't have an A station over the air was "iqulit" (sic)? Frankly, at this point anything Dongwong even touches goes into the "revert on sight" box.) Bearcat (talk) 02:13, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Not really. And, besides, at least it's objectively accurate. The alternatives all seem to be subjective. Had I stumbled across the reference to Southern Ontario, to be frank I would have thought it was wrong too. I notice the main A article infobox describes it as "most urban areas of Ontario", which could work.--Skeezix1000 (talk) 02:46, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I wouldn't say that it is a "solid indicator", but until recently in "Northern Ontario" you didn't have to pay for licence stickers for your car, and in Southern Ontario you did, we lived about 10 minutes from the border of Hastings County and Nippising District (we were in Hastings), we had to pay, they didn't. Even when I lived in Sudbury, it was half the price of my parents in "Southern Ontario". I also found it funny that most settled places in "Norther Ontario" are farther south than most cities in Western Canada (just a point).--kelapstick (talk) 03:35, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Further to my comment above, can we agree on "most urban areas of Ontario", as used in the main A article? --Skeezix1000 (talk) 14:24, 15 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Except it's not accurate there either — A is far, far from serving "most" urban areas of Ontario. Bearcat (talk) 17:30, 15 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Then let's list the locations. A list of six items is not a big deal. Or say Southern and Eastern Ontario. And whatever solution chosen should also be implemented over at the main A article too, I guess. --Skeezix1000 (talk) 00:52, 16 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Is there a preference for one versus the other? --Skeezix1000 (talk) 12:51, 18 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
No response, so I will go with Southern and Eastern Ontario, both here and at the A article. Would be happy to discuss any concerns. --Skeezix1000 (talk) 17:41, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

These dead horses don't beat themselves

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I hate to bring up the whole "Southern Ontario" vs. "Northern Ontario" thing again, but the link in the infobox for Southern Ontario describes the the portion of Ontario that Bearcat alluded to earlier, making the Eastern Ontario link in the infobox redundant. As for a reference that breaks Ontario down into two distinct portions called Northern and Southern, a good example is the Ontario road map as published by the MTO.--kelapstick (talk) 16:20, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Cute heading.:)

As I stated above, the Southern Ontario article is no more correct than this article was. I'm sure you can find dozens of provincial ministries and agencies dividing the province in dozens of different ways for their own administrative purposes. The MTO map is likely just a vestige of the old paper maps where the province wouldn't fit all on one side and had to be split in two (because the map has two sides), rather than an recognition of some official or well-recognized division of Ontario into two parts. As far as I know, there is no statute or regulation that official delineates Southern and Northern Ontario for all purposes, or that even dictates that the province is officially divided in two portions. Whether something is Southern, Northern, Eastern or whatever is solely a matter of opinion and perspective.

Having said all that, my own preference would be to simply list the municipalities and avoid this whole southern/eastern issue entirely. However, Bearcat felt that would be excessive, so I deferred to him on that. If we are going then to refer to parts of Onatrio, and those divisions are a matter of opinion rather than fact, my own view is that we should err on the side of overinclusion, rather than underinclusion (thus the reference to both Eastern and Southern Ontario). --Skeezix1000 (talk) 14:44, 13 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

All I'm saying is that there's no definition of "Southern Ontario", not even an informal one, which excludes "Eastern Ontario". If "not including Eastern Ontario" is what's meant, then the term is "Central (and/or) Southwestern Ontario", not "Southern Ontario". And, for what it's worth, none of the regional divisions of Ontario — "Eastern Ontario" non plus — are official in the sense that you're presuming to expect the term "Southern Ontario" to be held to here. They're all informal divisions that exist only by general convention, not in law, and they all have kind of fuzzy "different sources might put X county in this region or that one" definitions at the edges. Bearcat (talk) 18:21, 13 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I agree these are informal divisions. That's the point I was making above. I'm not "presuming" an official definition of Southern Ontario at all - in fact, as I explained above, it's the absence of an official definition of Southern Ontario that makes me question some of the conclusions being reached on this talk page. For that reason, I find it hard to believe that you can then say that there is no definition of Southern Ontario, "not even an informal one", which excludes Eastern Ontario. Upon what do you base that determination? As I said above, I spent most of my life living in Eastern Ontario, and Southern Ontario was something that it took 3-4 hours to reach on the highway. That's my experience spending 27 years of my life there. Other experiences may differ. I'm not saying that some don't think of Eastern Ontario as being in Southern Ontario -- I'm just saying that it's subjective and based on one's individual opinion and perspective, and it's impossible to say that Southern Ontario by definition includes Eastern Ontario (it begs the question "whose definition?"). Therefore, given that it is a matter of opinion whether Southern Ontario extends all the way to Ottawa, it's inappropriate to restrict the reference in the infobox.--Skeezix1000 (talk) 19:36, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Than I think that we should defer back to the cities they are broadcasted from rather than the regions because regions of Ontario (as it has been displayed here) is too subjective and is ambiguous at best. Having Southern Ontario listed in the infobox suggests that it is available in all of what the Southern Ontario article encompasses (the articles correctness is irrelevant). --kelapstick (talk) 16:15, 13 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

As I stated above, I would be fine with listing the cities. As for availability, that's a different issue. --Skeezix1000 (talk) 19:36, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The logo was changed to File:A-Morning Logo.jpg. The source of the logo is shown as here however that web page shows the logo as File:A Morning.png (the logo that was on the previous version). I have since reverted that edit.--kelapstick (talk) 22:27, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The logo has been reverted back and the source is now listed as here. One of the logos is from the show in London and one is from the show in Barrie. Which logo should be used?
The background behind the "old" one is white and matches the page; the background behind the "new" one is a grey-to-white gradient with a sizable block of dead space under it. Whether it's the official new logo or not, it's a poor-quality file that isn't suitable for our needs in its current form — so even if there is a real reason to switch to the "new" logo, we would need a better version of the file before we could legitimately replace the existing image. Note that because Dongwong has a longstanding habit of not listening to discussion about his edits, but simply insisting on them no matter how many times people explain to him why they're not suitable, I've temporarily editprotected the page to prevent him from escalating this any further in the meantime. Bearcat (talk) 23:35, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The "two" logos are variations of the same thing. So, as per Bearcat, use the best quality one. --Skeezix1000 (talk) 17:28, 7 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The logo was added again to the bottom of the page with the older ones, I removed it, it was then re-added by User:99.224.112.64, who apparently also has a habit of uploading alternative logos for companies. --kelapstick (talk) 01:04, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
If I remember correctly, according to a check user request, .64 is Dongwong. єmarsee (Discuss) 05:38, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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what wrong with the offical logo i uploaded for A Morning

it the one that they use on air and there website

it meets the criteria with a white background. that Bearcat says that ok.


(Dongwong (talk) 03:39, 27 February 2009 (UTC))[reply]

Logo dispute

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The "original" logo is used on the A Morning page for London and Ottawa. I see no reason to change it because one user says a different logo is now used.--kelapstick (talk) 16:13, 3 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Transition to CTV Morning Live

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I'm not really sure how this article should be dealt with after A Morning becomes CTV Morning Live in late August. At around the same time, Western CTV stations will be launching their morning shows with the name "CTV Morning Live" as well. I'm not really sure what would become of this article after the August relaunch on CHRO. On one hand, it would make sense to continue with this this article, as CHRO's morning show hasn't been cancelled and it would use the same name as the other CTV stations will use. On the other hand, the rest of the CTV morning shows aren't airing on CTV Two and the shows don't really share any continuity with the A morning shows.  єmarsee  • Speak up! 17:04, 4 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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