Talk:Adamantium

I can’t speak to the origin of the word but adamantium is mentioned in “Forbidden Planet” released in 1956.

Adamanteum, Adamantium - Latin

Adamanteum (also Adamantium) is Steel. Don't have to look into mythology or comics for it, look in a Latin dictionary. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.216.125.207 (talk) 02:29, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

Adamantium, Greek mythology

As far as I know, Hercules never wielded any gold mace described as "adamant" or "adamantine" in classical sources. Is this a Marvel creation?--Iainuki

it may be important to add something about adamantium being ferromagnetic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.21.226.82 (talk) 14:53, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Adamantine has been referred to on a couple of occassions in some sci-fi/fantasy novels featuring Conan The Barbarian, or Cimmerian whichever you prefer to call him. I know that Adamantine was at least mentioned in at least one of Robert E. Howard's original short stories featuring Conan. I admit that I'm not certain of the title of the short story, because it's been such a long while since I read it, or the name of any the novel in which Adamantine was mentioned because there are so damn many of them. In the novelization, Adamantine is referred to as a type of stone that's invulnerable rather than a metal. The story is set around a collection of warriors devoted to a long dead king transformed into Adamantine stone through sorcery to guard the tomb of this king for all eternity. The warriors are revived and begin wreaking havok and are invulnerable to all attack against it. However, this doesn't suggest "invulnerability" in the sense that it'd be indestructible to weapons used today or are used in comic books. Adamantine, at least in how Marvel Comics decided to use it, might be different than during the Hyborean Age, but the word itself existed long before Marvel Comics was around. Odin's Beard

The history of the word itself is discussed at adamant. Hesiod uses adamas to describe the sickle that Cronus castrates Uranus with in lines 161-162 of the Theogeny. However, nowhere in other original Greek or Roman sources that I'm familiar with does Hercules wield a club described as adamas, so I suspect this is a Marvel invention, doesn't belong in the main adamantium article, and thus I left it here.

You might add the notes on adamantine in Howard's Conan series to the adamant article, if you feel they're significant enough.--Iainuki

Adamantium is also mentioned as a type metal used in armor plating in the Warhammer 40,000 world. Specifically the sarcophagus of Dreadnoughts uses this material. Kriegaffe 20:00, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Adamantium in Paradise Lost

If I recall correctly, Milton said that the gates of Hell were made of Adamantium.

205.160.23.2 (talk) 16:06, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

According to http://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/26/pg26.txt, only the words "adamant" and "adamantine" appear in Paradise Lost. Is there really any evidence for "adamantium," including the -ium ending, before modern times? "Adamantine" is no evidence; it's related to "adamant," which has been around a long time. Clsn (talk) 16:30, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Adamantium in the Ultimate Marvel Universe

pepole,pepole what colonel wraith meant when he said is that the cage is "semi-unbreakable" is that it made from the similar alloy forging like wolverine's full pure adamantium but comparingly on a cheaper cost effective quality

bruce RIPPED-logan in half because even in the issue it self the doc.woman asks logan "i wonder is your joints are covered in adamantie" and as proven they are not because if they were he could'nt move smoothly then

even till this day the writers didn't sayed anything but if they will the explanation obvious sabretooth have one broken adamantie implant claw because it was accidently broken during forging proccess wich was rushed and sloppy

hulk also ripped adamantie-needle you are so cofused isn't it HE RIPPED THE SHELL OF THE NEEDLE YOU .....

Why exactly did my explanation of U Hulk tearing U Wolverine in half get reverted? It's the most probable explanation, and helps establish the unbreakability of Adamantium in both universes. ---mobn

Probably because it violates a non-negotiable policy of Wikipedia called no original research. Please read the policy, as the link will explain it very well; however, in a nutshell, what it means is that editors are not free to just add (even plausible) theories and speculation of their own, but should resort to reliable sources of information. Wikipedia is meant to reflect the well-researched spectrum of written human knowledge, and so sources and citations are very important.

Your edit was inappropriate, but since it seems reasonable, you should be able to find some appropriate sources perhaps that make the same statements. If you can find some notable figures in the comics community that has made similar statements, you are free to quote them. Probably just quoting some guy's webpage is not appropriate however. Since I'm not a comic person and not an editor of comic-related pages, I'll leave your edit, but be aware that it will probably get reverted by others upholding Wikipedia policy. --C S (Talk) 03:57, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

(cross-posted from User talk:Mobn:)

I reverted the edit, as explained in the edit summary, as it is speculation. I'm afraid that the problem is not whether it's plausible or not - the fact is that we don't know for sure why the Hulk managed to snape Wolverine in half. It's not stated in the comic, there's no evidence to suggest that the way adamantium is applied to bone is what you are saying. It's just your speculation, and the no original research as well as the verifiability policies apply. Also, please assume good faith - I'm only one of many who have edited that article and it has nothing to do with it being "mine" (which it isn't, anymore than it is "yours). --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 03:59, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

It seems that if speculation is not allowed here, then the entire section of "Adamantium in the Ultimate Marvel Universe" should be removed. Some are speculating that the adamantium in Wolverine's bones were not broken, and some are arguing that any such speculation is not allowed. However, since there is a viable explanation for the metal not having been broken, which is backed up by Lindeloff having one character wonder what Wolverine's ligaments are made of, isn't it just as much speculation that the metal did break? If there is going to be a section for this, I think both "speculations" should be made, or leave that section out until the comic establishes one or the other. -- Lannon 20:07, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Not quite the same thing, as the section makes no definitive claims as to whether the adamantium did break or not - note the scare quotes around "unbreakable". What the section does point out is the evidence we've seen so far and presenting it straight to the reader, noting the controversy without drawing a conclusion either way or even leaning towards one, i.e. that's a NPOV. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 21:36, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

I've entangled myself in this discussion inadvertently, but I hope nobody minds my 2-cents...I think most of that section is fine, but the lead sentence "Recent events ... have shown" I don't believe is NPOV. In fact, the use of quotes around "unbreakable" in that context indicates to me that it is challenging the notion that Wikipedia is unbreakable. The sentence should be more along the lines of 'Recent events...may indicate ... that Adamantium is not quite "unbreakable"'. And I would think that if the writers write in some speculation into the story line (as it seems from Lannon's comment), I think it's worth mentioning at least without taking a side. --C S (Talk) 02:37, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

I don't know, I'm quite satisfied with the section of the article. I don't see the article as really taking either side, simply reporting what's happened at this point in time, at least from my point of view. Ultimate Wolverine's skeleton is laced with Adamantium and he was ripped in half. Adamantium is supposed to be "unbreakable". It certainly seems to be in the mainstream Marvel Universe and everyone assumed it was the same in the Ultimate Marvel Universe. Whether ligaments were pulled apart or the metal itself was torn or whatever other theories are out there are simply that, just theories. All that's known for certain is that he was ripped in half and his skeleton is laced with Adamantium, so one has to conclude that Adamantium in the Marvel Universe isn't "unbreakable", at least until more is revealed as the mini-series progresses, or even if more is revealed about it. Changes can always be made in the section if more is revealed. But, until then, I say leave it as it is. However, I feel an addition should be made pointing out another difference of Adamantium between both universes. Within the Ultimate Marvel Universe, Wolverine is highly resistant to telepathy due to the presence of the Adamantium laced to his skull. Adamantium, within the mainstream Marvel Universe, doesn't grant Wolverine the same level of protection against psionic intrusion. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Odin's Beard (talk • contribs) .

I have to strongly disagree with the assertion that from the facts that 1) Wolverine was ripped in half and 2) His skeleton is laced with Adamantium, that "one has to conclude [Adamantium isn't unbreakable]...until more is revealed..." It's not a logically necessary conclusion, and it's just as much speculation as anything else, really. There is really only one conclusion from those two facts that is not speculation, and that is that Wolverine is not unbreakable because of his adamantium skeleton. Anything more is speculation, in my view, and I personally would require more than a blanket assertion that I have to conclude such-and-such in order to be convinced otherwise. --C S (Talk) 06:15, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Here is the real problem when it comes to Wikipedia articles dealing with fictional comic book characters, people view things differently based on what evidence is given. Artists and writers are free to pretty much do whatever they want to characters because of their personal view. From my view and interpretation of the information provided by Marvel Comics thus far, Adamantium isn't quite "unbreakable" in the Ultimate Marvel Universe. Now, of course, when more information is provided, then any necessary changes can be made. The article isn't set in stone, just like comic book characters themselves. The section dealing with Adamantium within the Ultimate Marvel Universe doesn't show favoritism toward any view, at least not in my opinion. I see it as just providing information based upon what's happening so far. Now, in this discussion area, I can state my personal opinion all that I want so long as I don't include it within the article itself. As I stated earlier, people are going to have different opinions on this particular issue even if Marvel Comics were to come right out and say that Adamantium within the Ultimate Marvel Universe isn't "unbreakable". Fans and insiders will still try to come up with an alternate explanation as to how Wolverine was ripped in half and just refuse to accept Adamantium, in either universe, not being "unbreakable".

Uh, what does this have to do with my comments? I'm saying that the article, as it currently stands, starts that section by saying that recent events have shown adamantium is not quite unbreakable. That's a clear assertion by Wikipedia that it is taking one side of this controversy. I'm saying that's not NPOV and should be changed. I undrstand that you are free to express your opinion on this talk page, but you have done so in defense of this POV statement by asserting that it is something one just has to conclude. In any case, I will change the sentence to not say "have shown" but merely "may indicate", as I am now convinced that wording is POV. --C S (Talk) 00:36, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Evidently, the ones in charge of the site don't see it as it being a POV. I'm not trying to raise a stink over two words, but since you said that you're now convinced that the wording is POV, what makes you believe that you're right and not the one who wrote the section to begin with and those that've read over it and agreed with what was originally written? You say you're convinced that it's just opinion, I'm not. So, what makes your view any more relevant than my own or that of everyone else that's read over the section for the past month or so and not changed it?

Whoa, chill. Just because no one picked up on it before doesn't mean that it's sacrosanct. If it's the choice of a more tentative phraseology, given the arguments for it above, I'd go for that phraseology, myself. Chan Ho's right - "shown" can be misconstrued as absolute proof. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 02:26, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

I'm fine, I don't have a problem with anyone editing the section or anything like that. I said that some would see how the article is stated as suggesting that it's absolute proof and I pointed out that some don't. Chan Ho sees it one way, I see it as another. I'm just pointing out that no one has had issue with the section as it has been. I'm just defending my point of view as well. He says it's one way and changed it, I see it as another way and changed it back. *Shrugs* I'm not trying to make an issue out of it.

The fact that one of the Adamantium claws implanted in Ultimate Sabretooth's left forearm was somehow broken has been completely overlooked in the section involving Adamantium and it's questionable indestructibility within the Ultimate Marvel Universe. Odin's Beard

The durability of adamantium in the UMU is irrelevant; Wolverine's soft tissues were rent asunder, not his bones. DarkSoldier 03:54, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Then again, didn't the Wolverine in the zombie-verse have adamantium tendons and connective tissues as well?

I'd be willing to agree that it was probably his soft tissue being ripped apart, but the thing is, that's just my opinion. My opinion, nor the opinion of any other editor for that matter, has anything to do with what Marvel does with any of it's characters. Until Marvel says that's what happened, then it's just speculation. Even if Marvel does eventually confirm what happened, it doesn't negate the other instances involving adamantium in the UMU. Sabretooth's broken claw and the Hulk breaking an adamantium needle raise legitimate doubts as to adamantium being virtually "indestructible" in the UMU. As far as the Marvel Zombies event, I'm pretty sure his soft tissue wasn't laced with adamantium. Odin's Beard 00:05, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Concerning the needle in Ultimates #5, it is only said the needle is adamantium-tipped. I took this to mean it was designed to pierce the Hulk's skin, and not composed completely of adamantium. So when he broke the needle, he was breaking whatever the rest of the needle was composed of, and not adamantium.

So you're suggesting that only a tiny part of the needle, primarily just the tip, was composed of adamantium and the rest of the needle wasn't? That really doesn't make much sense to me. But, granted, they don't always do the sensible thing in comics or pay attention to little things like the laws of nature. But, it just seems rather....well..odd to have a needle with the tip composed of adamantium and have the rest of it be made of a conventional metal. Odin's Beard 00:32, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

I feel that the section on U.Hulk ripping U.Wolverine in half should be removed. It doesn't prove or disprove anything about U.Adamantium. Therefore that situation is irrelevant to the topic. For the record, I believe that the Hulk did NOT break Wolverine's Adamantium laced bones. He was broken at the joints. Wolverine is not made up of one big chunk of adamantium. He is made up of sections. Also, if we use a little bit of logic, we can deduce that none of his adamantium skeleton was broken. After he was ripped in half, U.Wolverine picked up the pieces and put himself back together. If adamantium parts were broken, U.Wolverine would not have been able to heal those parts. The only U.Adamantium "events" I do support are the adamantium needle, and maybe U.sabertooth's claw. But with U.Sabertooth, Wolverine called him a cheap imitation. So Sabertooth was possibly put together with inferior methods? I would still consider U.Sabertooth's claw more supportive than the U.Wolverine rip in half. Pls Remove it. Emilpedia (talk) 17:50, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

These arguments have been made before and with the same results. It's not supposed to prove or disprove anything. It merely points out that, within the confines of the UMU, events have occurred that raise the question of UMU Adamantium's durability in comparisson to the Earth-616 version. Yes, yes yes the whole thing about how Wolverine doesn't have Adamantium joints has been stated over and over as well. While I agree that's most likely the cause, that hasn't been revealed as the definitive cause because the third issue of the Ultimate Wolverine vs. Hulk hasn't been released, even though it's been almost three years. While it's possible and logical that's the cause, it's also just as logical that part of the Adamantium bonded to Wolverine's skeleton was damaged as well. Once again, the article doesn't state that's what happened, it merely point out that Wolverine was ripped in half and that questions have been raised. Logic doesn't have to apply in comic books, only the events as shown. All that's been written in the article is that Wolverine was ripped in half and there has been debate as to whether the Adamantium was damaged as well. As with Sabretooth, it's pure speculation to put that his claws were made of an inferior grade of Adamantium since, unlike the Earth-616 continuity, there's never been a mention of any other cheaper and less durable kind of Adamantium. And because it's pure speculation, that hypothesis can't go into the article. So, until a reliable source can be found that irrevocably proves your theory, then it's not going to be taken out.Odin's Beard (talk) 23:12, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Adamantium Poisoning

I seem to remember a few instances when Wolverine had to deal with "Adamantium poisoning". When the metal was removed from his body, his healing factor dramatically increased. This was explained that his body was always fighting adamantium poisoning and his healing factor was subsequently reduced. Also, when adamantium was put back into his body and Wolverine temporarily lost his healing factor, he received injections to counteract the poisoning. But non of the other adamantium recipiants ever mentioned poisoning. Is adamantium poisoning canonical? Writer oversight? An example of Wolverine's allergic reaction? AlGorup 16:11, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

I recall the storyline involving Adamantium poisoning. I forget the exact issues off the top of my head, but the High Evolutionary constructed a device that effectively shut off the mutant abilities of every mutant on Earth, including Wolverine, which resulted in him slowly dying of Adamantium poisoning. It's similar to Omega Red in the past. In order to sustain his own life, Omega Red was forced to siphon the life energies of other beings to offset the poisonous effects that the Carbonadium implants had on him. While Wolverine was imprisoned within the Vault, which is a prison designed to house superhuman criminals, he did have to recieve some unnamed injections to help him stave off Adamantium poisoning because the area of the prison was surrounded by a type of energy field that nullified superhuman powers, even those that were mystical in origin like the powers of the Absorbing Man. So, as far as I know, Adamantium poisoning is considered canonical. It's fairly obscure since it's only been used during these two storylines, but I think it's canonical.

What's the scope of the poisoning? Why do we see only Wolverine suffering it? Wolverine is the most famous Adamantium implant. Also most of the other implants also have healing factors to compensate for it, but that leaves the other implants, such as Bullseye.

Bullseye still has normal bones, allowing him to get away with a adamantitum spine. T-1000 17:23, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

AlGorup 16:18, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

From what I remember reading, Adamantium poisoning was a slow and painful process. During the storyline where the High Evolutionary shut off the mutant powers of every mutant, Wolverine was shown in a couple of issues of the X-Men titles and his own series suffering some of the affects. For the most part during that time, Wolverine was an ordinary human with an extraordinarily high tolerance of pain. As to why only Wolverine was shown to be suffering from it, it was probably because he was the character on the Marvel roster to make monthly appearances that had Adamantium laced bones. I know Lady Deathstrike has an Adamantium skeleton as well, but she's almost completely mechanical now so I don't believe the High Evolutionary's machine would have affected her and I think the storyline occurred before Sabretooth recieved his second set of implants via the Weapon X Program. I recall that, after the H.E.'s machine was destroyed, Omega Red was shown in a panel screaming "YES!!" triumphantly because he felt his powers returning. Since Carbonadium is the Soviet's attempt to create Adamantium, I'd assume he suffered some ill effects but they just weren't shown. As for Bullseye, I honestly haven't got a clue. I might be wrong, but I don't know if Marvel has ever explained why Bullseye doesn't suffer from Adamantium poisoning. The best explanation that I can think of is that that Adamantium poisoning is fairly obscure and, since it's obscure, nobody at Marvel has deemed it necessary to do a storyline about it involving Bullseye. If they ever did, a simple answer as to how Bullseye withstands it would be to say that he gets some sort of injections on a regular basis, as Wolverine did while he was imprisoned within the Vault. Odin's Beard

I vaguely recall reading in one of the OHotMU entries that Wolverine's bones are laced with Adamantium, but Bullseye's spine is reinforced with Adamantium-Beta, a compound as strong as Adamantium that does not inhibit the normal biological processes of bone. If this is (still) the case, then it would explain why Wolvie suffers from Adamantium Poisoning when his Healing Factor's nullified, but Bullseye, who has no Healing Factor at all, isn't bothered by it. Dr Archeville 17:38, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

I believe this should be explained in more detail on the page, it's an interesting phenomenon. Especially since, given how Wolverine's healing factor is constantly fighting it off, it's one of the only reasons he ages much at all. As many know he's barely aged at all since since he had his skeleton laced with adamantium. It is however more aging than he did prior to that. In addition to that, I recently read an interesting bit of information in the form of a discussion-based post, where someone stated, and I quote:

"If adamantium is truly indestructible, it would have to be chemically non-reactive, and therefore non-toxic. It also shouldn't leave "traces" of any kind. This is basic logic."

And that's actually true. Iron poisoning and similar types of metal poisoning happen when particles of said metals collect in the bloodstream and start mucking up the internal organs. However, as adamantium is indestructible, it can't have particles break off. So its ability to poison is somewhat of a goof. Perhaps that should be mentioned as well? --156.34.89.224 22:26, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Only "explanation" is that the adamantium is not poison in itself, but act as a catalyst for a process creating the actual poison. Again, pure speculation that can't be put into the article. 81.225.216.21 (talk) 03:20, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

Phasing

I remember part of a storyline that stated that Kitty Pride had difficulty phasing through adamantium. It caused her pain, nausia, and dizziness. But that's it. Only once. In one story where, by phasing through Sabertooth, she "discovered" that his bones possessed adamantium. Any other occurance that adamantium restricting/reducing phasing? AlGorup 16:23, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

She had a similar experience, I believe, in a confrontation with Wolverine while he was one of Apocalypse's Horsemen. It occurred while Wolverine was somewhere under the Xavier Institute while Archangel, Kitty, and I think Nightcrawler, were trying to apprehend him. She tried to phase through him, which would have shocked his nervous system, but it didn't quite work out the way she wanted. I think she experienced some of the similar symptoms she exhibited during the altercation with Sabretooth. She was holding her own for a while, she was using a sword and since Wolverine had trained her quite a bit, she was doing pretty well. She was, mostly, using her powers to phase most of her body so that when his claws hit her, they simply passed through her while using the sword offensively. After a while though, Wolverine's claws kind of....hmmm..well shorted out her phasing abilities enough to cause her to become solid. He rammed one of his claws through one of her feet. He managed to snap out of the conditioning before killing her. Odin's Beard

Resistance to posession

I was catching up on some old Wolverine issues (v3. #170 - #180) and saw in one story that Wolverine's skeleton provided resistance to posession from an evil, magical entity (it was the issue w/ Michael Two youngmen of Alpha Flight rescuing Sasquatch and Puck). Any other instance of adamantium providing additional resistance to magical posession? AlGorup 14:56, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

That could be due to Adamantium having iron in it, and iron often fracks up magic (in comics). Dr Archeville 19:25, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

melting point?

Is there a known melting point of adimantium ? --Paul 18:01, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

None that I recall; from everything I've read, the only way to 'melt' it is to expose it to Anti-Metal. Dr Archeville 18:05, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't believe it can be melted other than by using Antarctic Vibranium. Adamantium is supposed to be able to withstand nuclear blasts without even getting scratched. How much heat is generated by a nuclear blast at ground zero? Whenever Adamantium is created, and however it's done, they have to keep it molten. I've read that it's kept in vats heated at 1,500 degrees Farenheit and can be poured into molds to create useful things but it has to be kept at that temperature. Once it cools and hardens, then it's almost impossible to do squat with it. Odin's Beard 00:37, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Ok thatnks for help guys --Paul 18:17, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Material As Durable As Adamantium

I don't think that it's really acurate to label Uru being as durable as Adamantium. There are some examples, all of which are canon, in which Uru has been cracked and even outright destroyed. For instance, in Thor #450, a macically enchanted Rock Troll named Uroc possessed a body made entirely of Uru. His right hand was frozen in Liquid Nitrogen and was shattered after being hit with a single, ordinary bullet. Also, while I'm not exactly certain of the issue numbers, but I believe it was was somewhere between Thor(vol2) #14-25 Odin used his powers to repair damaged that Mjolnir had suffered in a storyline in which he battled a being named Enkrant. I've read when Adamantium was introduced, like back in the 1960's, Thor was able to barely dent a small cylinder of Adamantium after striking it with Mjolnir with all of his strength. Now, whether this has been retconned or not I'm not sure, since it happened roughly 40 years ago. However, as far as I know, Adamantium, at least True Adamantium, has never been broken, at least not within the mainstream Marvel Universe. The only, canon, instance I've seen in which Adamantium was destroyed in any way was during the whole Infinity Gauntlet storyline where Thanos used the Gauntlet's powers to practically turn Wolverine's Adamantium skeleton into a rubbery, sponge-like, substance. Adamantium is said to be able to withstand nuclear blasts without sustaining damage, and the instances I mentioned about Uru seem to show it capable of sustaining considerably less damage than Adamantium. Don't get me wrong, not trying to start any sort of debate or anything. However, in a nutshell, I've haven't read any Marvel publication stating Uru is as durable. I might be wrong, if I am let me know how so. Otherwise, the statement needs to come out. Odin's Beard 01:30, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

No Adamantium in Captain America's shield!

There is no Adamantium in Captain America's shield, it is vibranium and steel. The process to create the shield gave way to adamantium!

Telpathy and Adamantium

I don't frequent this page or anything, but in the issues I have read from the ultimate comics, they seem to indicate that it is wolverine's weapon x training that helps resist telepathy and the like. I saw no discussion about this or any references so I'm throwing in my 2 cents and sources: Ultimate X-men Vol1 part3, "you're the only one who can shield your mind" Magneto same part, "can you read my mind and fly that at the same time" wolverine "yeah and the only way that'll work is if you're doing 120" Jean Those quotes gave me the impression that Wolverine's shielding ability was voluntary, I'm lazy, so I'm not digging through the rest of my collection right now, and I may not have read as far as any of you, but there it is.

strength debate

Hmm this line bugs me "he manages to snap her neck" and becuase he is able to do so it says some people use that as a way to say adimantium is indeed breakable, well i think that this is no indication to the strength of the metal, becuase if the person was able to move their neck, then that meens that only the individual bones are coated or made of it. Not the joints, so is it possible that he snapped her neck at a joint?

It's similar to the debate going on about how the Hulk managed to rip Wolverine in half in the Ultimate Wolverine vs. Hulk mini-series. The problem is that Marvel hasn't explained anything about it. In the mainstream Marvel Universe, adamantium is indestructible to everything except the highest levels of cosmic power. Writers have taken great pains over the years to keep it that way. Some writers have even gone back and retconned incidents in which adamantium was destroyed in storylines that were originally written decades ago. That's how secondary adamantium came into play. Pure adamantium's durability in the mainstream Marvel Universe is like the gospel or something. Despite the fact that it's a seperate reality, some have assigned, or tried to assign in their own minds, Earth-616 canon. With the exception of some mini-series, one shots, and titles such as "What If?", the Ultimate Marvel Universe is the only alternate reality that have storylines taking place in it still published. Just because adamantium is virtually indestructible to all known forces in the Earth-616 reality doesn't mean that it's so in the UMU. It's a different universe so they can tinker with any aspect of it in any way that they want. When the Ultimate version of Longshot snapped Deathstrike's neck, it's certainly possible that the joint was damaged. And, as unpopular a belief as this might be to some, it's also possible that the metal itself was damaged. Problem is that we don't know if it was one, the other, or even both for that matter. Whatever the ultimate answer is, no pun intended, Marvel doesn't seem to be in any hurry to offer any sort of explanation.Odin's Beard 23:12, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Attention People, after reading this article, I seriously thought that Adamantium was real. Please post somewhere that it isn't. I guarantee that hundreds of people have left this page telling their friends, "See! I told you it was real!", ruining Wikipedia's credibility even more.

I would think the description at the very beginning of the article that admantium is a "fictional alloy" would show that it is not real! While I agree that probably hundreds of people have left the page telling their friends it is real, because there are hundreds of people that are stupid and may not understand what fictional means. 70.179.142.114 (talk)

Carbonadium

"WOLVERINE: ORIGINS" Issues 7 & 8 stated that when Logan ingested Carbonadium, the regenerative rate of his healing factor was three times slower than normal, and that it quickly reverted back to normal once the metal was removed from his body. Issue 15 reads "Carbonadium...? ...This stuff is radioactive! It eats you alive!" Seems pretty direct to my inclusion in Carbonadium's paragraph for this article.74.244.63.126 02:47, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

I made a slight edit to the entry. His healing factor wasn't negated, it was still working, just at a much slower rate as you said yourself.Odin's Beard 14:08, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

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Other Appearances

In the MMORPG, Runescape, adamantium is a metal that player characters can mine, smelt, and forge into tools, weapons or armor. It isn't indestructible, and is as malleable as all the other metals in the game. Are we going to add it in the "Other Media" section, and are there other references to adamantium that have not been recored yet?

Rapidwhirl 19:22, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

it also appears in age of mythology as the metal from which the gates holding cronos in are made out of 68.221.119.76 (talk) 18:34, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

It is mentioned atleast once in the dune universe (duniverse). The character Duke Paulus Atreides is quoted from "Prelude to Dune: House Atreides"

"Even the poorest house can be rich in loyalty.  Alleigence that must be purchased by bribes and wages is hollow and flawed to fault at the worst possible time.  Alleigence that  comes from the heart though, is stronger than adamantium.  And more valuable than purest melange."  --97.94.209.243 (talk) 03:01, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Appearance In Games

Removed the citation concerning the Final Fantasy series, since the material is called adamant or occasionally adamantine but is never explicitly refered to as "adamantium" in that series. I believe it's important that we keep the list limited to works which specifically refer to the material as "adamantium", otherwise they should be included (if at all) on the adamant page.

Vorpal76 (talk) 10:17, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Ditto to RuneScape.

Vorpal76 (talk) 10:19, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

- Removed Dwarf Fortress reference, since the material there is called adamantine, not adamantium. There's already a reference in the "adamant" article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.181.175.44 (talk) 00:45, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

teeny tiny cleanup

i added some language to indicate that the "other media" are in fact mostly non-marvel uses of the language. it would be great if there was a quote from a game developer that they were inspired by the marvel word. also cleaned up some language in summary paragraph. hope i didnt step on any toes. the whole "in universe" thing probably needs lots of work, but im new at it, so i wont go crazy on it. Mercurywoodrose (talk) 06:29, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

McClain Vs .MacLain?

this page uses Dr. Myron McClain but the Captain America's shield page and the character's page uses MacLain. the marvel.com page on Adamantium aslo uses MacLain. im going to change to MacLain. any one who want to see it it is here http://www.marvel.com/universe/Adamantium Sleepneeded127 (talk) 07:01, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Etymology

Does anyone know the exact series and issue of Marvel Comics where the word Adamantium is first mentioned? (First in the sense of the real-world, publishing chronology.) My guess is either The Incredible Hulk #181 (Nov 1974) or Giant-Size X-Men #1 (May 1975), either of which may have contained the first backstory of Wolverine's origins. However, I have found a reference that says "It first appeared in Avengers #66 (July 1969) as part of Ultron's outer shell" although this may refer to Captain America's shield. Does anyone have access to these issues?

Assuming that the term adamantium first started as the fictional material in Marvel Comics, the information about its first publication should go in the lead section, before the section on History and properties of adamantium in the Marvel Universe.

HOWEVER, the Wikipedia article on Adamant says that both "Adamantite and adamantium (a metallic name derived from the Neo-Latin ending -ium) are also common variants [of adamant]." Adamant refers to any especially hard substance. If this is true then the word adamantium has a much more extensive history than Wolverine's claws before the 1960's. For example, I think I've found (via Google Books) an obscure reference to Adamantium and St. Augutine (!) in The Execution of Justice in England by Baron William Cecil Burghley. In this case, some mention should be made of adamantium as a term used in classical literature before we get to modern comic books.

Also, unless someone objects, I'm going to delete the reference to Forbidden Planet in the Other Media section. The word adamantine is frequently used in poetic descriptions of a material of ultimate hardness. You might as well include the Aeneid or Paradise Lost, which both mention adamantine.

--RoyGoldsmith (talk) 19:17, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Done. --RoyGoldsmith (talk) 15:06, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Fictional

The term "fictional" has been getting removed a lot recently by anonymous users. It is important that the term stays there, just as in all other comics-related articles, to identify that adamantium is not a real element. Apparently, some people would not know otherwise after reading this article. Khaotika 22:32, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Ok smart guy if it's "fictional" then please tell us what Wolverine's bones are REALLY made of...! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.150.21.209 (talk) 18:16, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Oh wow. Really? Grow up, bro, this isn't primary school (although it may be to you), and trolling isn't funny. We all know that Wolverine is a fictional character in a fictional universe, and that adamantium isn't real. Jeez. PS: Before you ask, I'm not mad. Bro. PPS: Indented your comment for you :) 203.97.127.101 (talk) 05:51, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

To answer your question, Adamantium was grafted onto Wolverine's skeleton, it did not replace it. Therefore, his bones are still made of bone. Keaven (talk) 00:44, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Mention of Dwarf Fortress

The mention of the keywords hell and demons as what adamantium seals off are consider in game spoilers and should not be referenced directly. The community for the game uses the terms "Hidden Fun Stuff" as a pseudonym for hell and demons are classified as "Fun" i.e. any thing that results on death of the fortress. Apparently the wiki devoted to the game that is maintained by the games creators and players doesn't constitute as a verifiable source as I keep trying to change those mentions to something that wouldn't spoil the game atmosphere, but somebody unfamiliar with the game is deeming the edit as non-constructive. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.189.151.95 (talk) 21:49, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Please read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Spoiler_warning -PlausibleSarge (talk) 08:10, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Too much emphasis on the Marvel Universe

The article looks like it should belong in a Marvel Comics wiki rather than at Wikipedia -- or at the very least relegated to a separate "Adamantium in the Marvel Universe" page (or section).

I propose splitting off the Marvel-specific into a separate page, "Adamantium (Marvel Universe)", with an appropriate link at the top of this page, and mentioned again somewhere in the body, possibly in the "In media" section.

I also propose removing the lines that suggest that Marvel Comics is origin of term Adamantium (such as the line "Because adamantium is not a trademarked property, the name has been used by many other writers").

Hurkyl (talk) 05:45, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

I agree with this sentiment, especially since the "First Appearance" entry says the first marvel appearance, but the article itself states the Forbidden Planet appearance, which predates that. 68.235.190.172 (talk) 01:28, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

For future readers: the term "adamantium" appeared first in Marvel Comics (Forbidden Planet uses "adamantine steel", not "adamantium", with "adamantine" already noted in this article as a separate term that was centuries old by the time it appeared in Forbidden Planet). Further, the term's later use outside Marvel Comics does not change the facts of its origin within Marvel Comics as already credited to the appropriate writer and artists in the article. Nor does any later use of the term elsewhere merit a separate article for the term's use in Marvel Comics, since that's where the term first appeared and there has not been any substantial drift in its meaning in other contexts. ComicsAreJustAllRight (talk) 20:31, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Reference on House

I haven't edited Wiki before, but should it be mentioned in the "in ohter media / television" section that Adamantium is mentioned on the House MD Season 7 episode "After Hours", where house compares the weight of a prostitute to a stack of amplifiers, and comments "this is heavier than you, unless of course those implants are made of adamantium"

PlausibleSarge (talk) 08:07, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Does that really count? It's more of a reference to fiction in the real world, rather than a 'real' part of a fictional universe, if you see what I mean. 203.97.127.101 (talk) 05:50, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

Adam Ant

Does the name have connection with the eponymously-named 80s new wave punk rocker from the UK?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.150.225.86 (talk) 17:43, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

From what I've heard, that name is actually derived from the 1960's BBC character Adam Adamant, from the show of the same name. 68.235.190.172 (talk) 01:26, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Magnetic Properties (ferromagnetic)

I feel there needs to be a definitive source referenced for the article's statement, "It is partially magnetic, as Magneto has manipulated it on multiple occasions." Magneto's manipulation of the metal is not, in an of itself, evidence of that metal's magnetic properties, as Magneto is able to manipulate both ferrous and nonferrous metal. Keaven (talk) 22:55, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Adamantium is NOT mentioned in the movie Forbidden Planet

The term "adamantium" does not appear in the movie Forbidden Planet. It first appears in the comic book issue Avengers, vol. 1, #66. As already mentioned within the article, there is a line in the movie Forbidden Planet that includes the term "adamantine steel". "Adamantine" is an adjective that predates both "adamantium" and Forbidden Planet by hundreds of years, which is, again, a fact already stated by the article in the section where it notes distinct but related terms that date from before the first appearance of the topic of the article.

The belief that "adamantium" appears in Forbidden Planet can likely be traced to readers' misinterpretation of a statement by John Byrne on his Web site that the term "adamantium" was "borrowed" from that earlier movie. Byrne was not involved in the invention of the term "adamantium", but I'd note that he might well be correct in a loose sense regardless: "adamantium" might have been coined by its creators with the movie's line about "adamantine steel" in mind, although there is no evidence of it that I can find beyond Byrne's statement, and any statement to that effect on Wikipedia would need a reference beyond quoting Byrne (again, Byrne never claimed to have been involved in inventing the term, nor did he ever claim to have been present when it was coined). Still, Byrne did not say that "adamantium" as a term appeared in Forbidden Planet, but rather claimed that it was "borrowed", which could be charitably interpreted as described above; multiple editors have misconstrued this statement or believed other mistaken sources (or perhaps misheard the line while watching the movie) and have added erroneous information to the page.

Because this error has appeared repeatedly in the article and even on this talk page, I thought it best to create an entry here to reference later. While "adamantium" as a term and visual portrayal may have been inspired by other, earlier concepts (and I doubt its creators would ever have denied it!), please, let's keep the credit for its specific creation accurate. ComicsAreJustAllRight (talk) 20:15, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Possible over-removal of information

Looking through the edits, I've found that a lot of the information in this article was deleted in revision 776063043 as "cruft". In particular, the section on "Carbonadium" was removed and Carbonadium still links back here with no replacement.

On the general subject, of cruft, there does not seem to be any discussion in the talk about such a large modification. I'm not an expert on style but from what I can see in a quick skim, most of the info is relevant. If left to me, I would simply re-instate all of the removed data, but I felt it would be in the more in the spirit of the wiki community to discuss the issue first.

If the set of changes are not to be reversed, I would suggest at least restoring "Carbonadium" along with an "Other versions" section as is common in comic book related articles.

Jaguar83 (talk) 02:14, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

Take a look at the article history to see why editors revert such additions. ComicsAreJustAllRight (talk) 19:20, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

By way of further explanation: if "carbonadium" is not a notable term outside of a small subset of a particular brand of comic books & related media and their consumers, it may not need to be explained on Wikipedia at all, and I'm saying this as someone with my user name. Many concepts appear in comic books, but not all of them meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability. As that seems to apply here, a good move might be to delete the redirect page for "carbonadium" altogether. It's not as though a Google search for "carbonadium" won't turn up information elsewhere as found in specialized sources not aimed at a general audience (which, again, doesn't mean the term's necessarily notable enough for inclusion on this site). ComicsAreJustAllRight (talk) 15:34, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

Adamantium in Elder Scrolls

It appears there used to be an Other media section? I think it should be recreated.

Besides House (according to this talk page) it's also present in the Elder Scrolls series, specifically Arena, Daggerfall and Morrowind. In those games it is apparently synonymous with Adamantine according to the following link, but I distinctly remember it being talked about as Adamantium in-game: http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Adamantium

Interstates (talk) 22:24, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

Examining the bloated, poorly sourced mess that "Other media" section became over the article's history should give you a good idea about why it doesn't exist anymore, specifically because trivia sections are outside WP standards. The name and general concept described by this article's topic have been cribbed, mentioned and alluded to so many times in so many media that such a section would bury the article in trivia, which is exactly what it threatened to do after it was added previously. This article exists for the same reason as any other article on a similar topic in Wikipedia, which is not to serve as a list of each and every time a fictional concept has appeared anywhere since its invention, but rather to provide a concise and cohesive summary of relevant information on the concept, its history, etc., which in this case is its history as relates to Marvel Comics comic books and their adaptations. If you feel strongly that Wikipedia should include a detailed exploration of instances where this particular concept has been lifted by other publishers and writers to serve their own ends, you might try creating a separate "Adamantium in other media" article, though I can't promise you other editors would deem such an article relevant enough for it to escape deletion, and if a sprawling list of trivial appearances gets merged back into this article, it's likely to disappear for the same reason the last one did. ComicsAreJustAllRight (talk) 04:01, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

Dungeons & Dragons and other fantasy role playing games.

Adamantium, adamantine armors, weapons, etc. have been a staple of Dungeons and Dragons and other fantasy gaming systems (ex: Pathfinder) for many many years (since 1975). This overly Marvel-centric article needs to either be converted to a disambiguation, or have information added to cover all the other uses of the fictional metal in greater detail. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.15.20.23 (talk) 13:52, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

First off: "adamantine" is the term you're describing from Dungeons & Dragons, not "adamantium". "Adamantine" is not the subject of this page. Second, there's a general consensus of "No, thanks" to a massive trivia section listing every single mention of the article's topic in other media. See the rest of the talk page. The number of places that have lifted this term is far, far too big to try to list them all in this article (trust me, people have tried). The result would be (and was) jumbled to the point of uselessness. This page is "Marvel-centric" because the topic is a concept from comic books published by Marvel Comics. If you'd like to create an "Adamantium in other media" page, be my guest, though I can't guarantee you it will be considered relevant enough to survive. ComicsAreJustAllRight (talk) 15:47, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

Note, also, that there already is a disambiguation template on this article that does exactly what you're asking, as it links to the "Adamant" article, which in turn links out to "adamantine". ComicsAreJustAllRight (talk) 15:54, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

First Appearance of Adamantium

First appearance of adamantium steel was in the movie Forbidden Planet in the scene where Dr Morbius (played by Walter Pigeon) shows the captain (played by Leslie Neilson) the Krell complex and invites him to fire his blaster at the Krell doors made of Adamantium Steel, which he calls it in the scene. So, it would appear that Marvell Comics got the name of the metal from this movie....the genesis of all science fiction from that point forward, Star Wars, Star Trek, Aliens... They all borrowed from Forbidden Planet. The most visionary SF flick of all time. BluesboyRand (talk) 21:50, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

And early appearance again

The term adamantium (or “anamantium’)metal claims to be a fictions metal first used by Marvel comics, however the term was first used in the 1956 movie “Forbidden Planet”. It was a component used construction of cities by the lost Krell civilization. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.92.2.121 (talk) 04:21, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Please read the talk page and the article, both of which already mention this. Meters (talk) 10:57, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

SF Dictionary source

The term is now included in the SF Dictionary, which would be a good source to add, and which includes some more example uses. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 14:20, 29 August 2023 (UTC)