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Removed possible copyvio

Two parts of this major addition match [1] (note in particular the "compare the tables" line linking to exactly the same examples even though our Brindisi article doesn't have a climate table); I have removed these parts, but have not attempted to determine whether the rest of the added text was copied from somewhere else.--QuantumEngineer (talk) 08:00, 7 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Climate Data of Italy

On Wikipedia in Italian language, there is this category with the regional subcategories of the meteorological stations with many climate datas (for example look here). --95.74.163.251 (talk) 13:57, 7 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Edits on Cfa and other remarks

Edit : a lot of approximations in the article. The comparison between winters of Cfa climate and oceanic climate (Paris or London) has no sense because both have mild winters (it depends of the nuances). Snow influence is exagerated. And this climate is not at all continental (too mild winters). Florence is rather mediterranean (dry summers). In fact, the essential mark of Cfa climate is the hot and wet summer. Oceanic climate does not really exist, excepted some local montainous areas. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.161.11.212 (talk) 20:15, 10 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, Northern Italy is essentially Humid subtropical. But why is Florence kept as humid subtropical. It seems that it is rather a Mediterranean city ?--XL3 (talk) 17:20, 6 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I cancelled Florence from humid subtropical: having colder winters thamn Genoa or Rome does not mean it has a climate similar to North Italy! Florence has a kind of "inner-land Mediterranean" climate, with very hot and dry summers, and colder (but not as cold as in the North) winters when frost is not uncommon and a few snowfalls may be seen. Claiming that North Italy winters are "mild" is another mistake: January is as cold as in West Germany or Holland, and the entire season is colder than England or France, comparing it to places located at the same altitude or distance from the sea. Otherwise, we could state that entire West Europe has mild to warm winters (I am serious, West Europe winters are no way as cold as East Europe or Scandinavia ones). Days of snow are often in a lower number, but the average snow fallen in the single day is often higher: a little paradox, since North Italy is someway "protected" by mountain chains by winter, both to north and to south; so the cold air remains trapped (fog and frost are very common) but there are fewer rain/snowfall days. Filippo83 (talk) 14:02, 4 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It is plain ignorance to call the Italian climate (or even the Spanish, Portuguese, Greek, Crimean) as sub-tropical. How can Milan, a city located as north as Montreal be considered as having subtropical climate LOOOOLLLL, while San Francisco (parallel 38 N it never snows), Melbourne (parallel 38 S it never snows) or even Sydney (parallel 34 S what???) are considered to have plain temperate climate????? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.240.193.10 (talk) 02:47, 2 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

See humid subtropical climate. Graham87 14:30, 2 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Snow is a regular visitor in Italy, specially in the mountains. In some coastal areas there is little to no snow in some areas, specially by the west coastal areas (west coast areas are always milder and rainier than east coasts due to the westerly winds common in temperate latitudes). In the low areas by the Po valley, rising winds coming up through the Adriatic sea may make the weather milder, while the Alps make a shield against the freezing winds coming from Central / Eastern Europe. However in no way it makes cities like Milan having the kind of sub tropical climate one may find in Eastern Continental latitudes like in the US south, or in Sydney, or in Southern Japan and Shangai, or In Southern Brazil, Uruguay, and the region of Buenos Aires, Argentina, or in eastern/south South Africa (Durban, Port Elisabeth). These are the real subtropical climates located by the parallels 30º / 35º both north and south of the equator. Milan, at paralel 45º north,is much farhter away from the equator. Rome is located above the paralel 40. Snow is rare there, yet it's cold in the winter. Too cold for a subtropical location. If Italy is subtropical, then the whole New Zealand is subtropical too (it does not snow in the coastal areas of New Zealand). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.92.32.63 (talk) 00:13, 14 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The winters in Italy are often colder than in many parts of Britain, Ireland or the Pacific coast of Canada. Italy does not have subtropical climate. Fact. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.92.32.63 (talk) 21:39, 14 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Sub-tropical, Florence etc.

I edited the Cfa chapter, to include a sub-chapter with the transition between Cfa and Csa climates, which is not so uncommon in Italy: the example would be Florence, as well as inner Tuscany, but also microclimates in North Italy lakes and hills can be considered in this area. Where main features are not totally Cfa nor Csa, allowing olive trees to be cultivated (please note: that's quite different from planting an olive tree in the house garden), but not really Mediterranean climate (e.g. frost is frequent in winter, sometime snow, and of course summer is wetter). This would anyway be more a Cfa climate, according to Köppen classification, than anything else: but it is worth to distinguish it from the main cities of the North and the Po Valley. This of course modifies a little my previous statement (see above): summer precipitation in Florence is 150mm (July 37mm), in Bologna 150mm as well (41mm), in Milan 222mm (67mm) and in Rome 83mm (22mm); all averages 1971-2000. Actually the line separating, in mid-summer, "greener" North Italy from the dry grass fields of the Centre and South, passes more often south of Florence than along the Appennines.

As it is worth to spend a word on sub-tropical according to Köppen. This is not the tropical definition we are used to: it is simply a classification, much wide indeed, which includes any place where summer is hot (hottest month daily average >22°C), precipitation is distributed through the entire year (no dry winter or summer) and coldest month ranges from 0°C (some source: -3°C) to 18°C. As you can see, it may include places as different in seasonal weather as NYC and Hong Kong. It can range from cold, snowy winters and moderately hot and humid summers; to places where winter season does not exist from our point of view, and summers are very sultry and uncomfortable. I do not like too much this classification either, but unfortunately that's it.

Filippo83 (talk) 14:41, 4 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

What a mess...

This article looks like it's written in Fortran, and is pretty much unreferenced. Just does not meet the quality standards to be an article. Ecopetition (talk) 22:52, 26 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Köppen climate classification map. WHY?

That classification map is simply absurd and nonsensal. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.12.217.244 (talk) 00:29, 21 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@78.12.217.244: Can you elaborate on what you find wrong with the map? Redtitan (talk) 20:35, 21 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Subpolar Oceanic Climate

The climate data for Bormio is wrong the climate data that editor provided has a tundra climate 2600:4041:5C28:F300:2518:262E:609D:A8A9 (talk) 00:09, 5 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Solar irradiation map is not correct

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.10.216.199 (talk) 01:28, 18 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Villasimius Climate is classified as Bsk not Bsh

Remove that chart https://www.meteosardegna.it/2015/10/il-clima-nei-paesi-sardi-villasimius/#:~:text=A%20Villasimius%20appartengono%20anche%20l,18%C2%B0C)%20e%20asciutto. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.10.216.199 (talk) 01:28, 18 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Multiple Sections have Incorrect Climate

While reading the article, I noticed that there were multiple sections that had incorrect climate data.

1) The hot-summer mediterranean climate's example is actually a cool semi-arid climate. The average temperature is 17.2 C and the rainfall is 301.9 mm - with Koppen's classification, the threshold for semi-aridity given the low summer precip would just be 17.2*20 = 344 mm (and full aridity/desert would be 172 mm). Thus, since Elmas-Caligari's average temperature is under 18 C and precip is under the threshold, it would be classified as BSk, not Csa.

2) The subpolar oceanic climate example is actually a tundra (ET) because average temperatures are under 10 C all year. Even if that wasn't the case, winter temperatures are far too cold to classify as subpolar oceanic. In fact, none of the cities listed in that section have a subpolar oceanic climate - Tarvisio and Cortina d'Ampezzo are both humid continental climate (Dfb).

Unfortunately, I'm not sure how I can edit a weather box so that I get consistent formatting across all the sections, so is it possible for someone to fix the error? I know that Rome has Csa. Subpolar oceanic in Italy seems so rare that the section can probably be deleted. Antarctican2606 (talk) 17:10, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You are right on both counts. I'll change the first chart and delete Cfc. When the charts were first introduced it seems there were some careless choices made which I (for some reason) never picked up on. Uness232 (talk) 17:22, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's been reverted because the person who reverted it claims to have done good research to get the tables... but they seem to have completely missed the koppen classification being wrong Antarctican2606 (talk) 23:35, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]