Talk:Fence (criminal)

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I'm adding this to the Commerce category. I trust there will be no objections? Fourthgeek 16:55, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was  Not done. No consensus. — Aitias // discussion 20:15, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

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Per discussion here. "Xxxx (criminal)" is confusing because there are pages like Larry Davis (criminal). — Jafeluv (talk) 21:42, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Survey

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• Oppose per discussion below. --Born2cycle (talk) 00:23, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
• Oppose. A fence is a criminal, and a fence is not a law (or even a legal term). --Quuxplusone (talk) 03:49, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
• Oppose Unlike recklessness (law), a "fence" is not a subcategory of law. It is a type of criminal. Bssc81 (talk) 16:46, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Discussion

Any additional comments:

• "Law" is a poor disambiguator; "fence" is neither a technical legal term nor a position in law.  Skomorokh  21:48, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

I agree fence is not a legal term and so "law" is not the right disambiguator here. How about Fence (crime)? --Born2cycle (talk) 00:21, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

I think that would be better; crime would seem to be the appropriate context per WP:NCDAB (which, with relevance here, advises using "(mythology)" rather than "(mythological figure)").  Skomorokh  00:31, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

• Or move to Fence (criminal law)? Anthony Appleyard (talk) 05:10, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Unless "fence" is a criminal law term, no. --Born2cycle (talk) 06:07, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

• I don't agree that Fence (criminal) "is confusing because there are pages like Larry Davis (criminal)". Jafeluv, could you elaborate? I infer that you think a page title of the form "Xxx (yyy)" must always refer to a person named Xxx with occupation yyy, but there are plenty of counterexamples, e.g. Fisher (animal). A fisher is-an animal; a fence is-a criminal; Larry Davis is-a criminal. I think the current title is not only non-confusing, but crystal clear and useful. --Quuxplusone (talk) 03:53, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
  • Ok, now that Quuxplusone pointed out that "a fence is a criminal", the title starts to make more sense. I found this page (and four others) during the discussion to move Recklessness (criminal) to Recklessness (law). In that case, "criminal" was not used as a noun ("recklessness is a criminal"), but rather as an adjective ("criminal recklessness"). That's why it made sense to move the article to Recklessness (law). That's how I read the title of this article ("criminal fence"?) and thought the same logic applies here. Apparently, since a fence is actually a criminal, it doesn't. The article should probably stay where it is. Jafeluv (talk) 08:15, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
• Or move to Fence (type of criminal)? "Fence (law)" to some may look like "the law about the boundary-forming structure called a fence". There have been many lawsuits about maintenance of boundary structures. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 04:53, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
• Another option: Fence (occupation). -kotra (talk) 23:08, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
• I wonder if it might be best described as the activity, not the type of person: "Fencing", not "Fence". This is similar to Theft (not Thief) or Smuggling (not Smuggler). The problem is Fencing is already taken, so it'd still need to be Fencing (crime) or Fencing (criminal act) or something. -kotra (talk) 23:24, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

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In Popular Culture

Is there any good reason why we have an entire section dedicated to the novels of Westlake? Would anyone really miss this if it were removed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by NinjaRobotPirate (talk • contribs) 17:41, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Followed through and deleted the "in popular culture" section, as it was entirely pointless and added nothing to the encyclopedic content. If you re-add it, please document some kind of notability for Westlake's portrayal of fences. For example, if you can find some kind of academic mention of how Westlake's views on fences caused a general shift in their portrayal in crime fiction, that would definitely be worth adding. Otherwise, it comes across as some over-eager fanboy/fangirl pimping their favorite author, in tangentially-related articles. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 23:55, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

History of receiving

Hello there, I am a student of Ca'Foscari University of Venice, and I have been assigned the improvement of this article as part of my English Culture exam (XVIII century). In particular I have been assigned some paragraphs about history of receiving of Fence, and some link to famous criminals like Jonathan Wild, who operated in this field. Here's a draft of my list of references:

• Old Bailey online;
• T. Hitchcock, B. Shoemaker, Tales from the Hanging Court (my course book);
• J.M. Beattie, Policing and Punishment in London, 1660-1750: Urban Crime and the Limits of Terror, Oxford, Oxford University Press, 2001, 491 pp., ISBN 0-19-820867-7.

Needless to say, any advice is welcome.

Franberg5 (talk) 10:29, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

Suggestions for Ca' Foscari

I think that you might want to add some examples in the section about Moll Flanders, like episodes that happen in the story and that you might want to quote to show the readers what you are talking about.

Annaannieann (talk) 18:07, 15 November 2015 (UTC)Annaannieann

--I'm not sure I can actually add remarkable and short quotes from Moll Flanders, since turning point are often explained at length by Defoe, it feels quite inappropriate in a wiki article? However, I'll try and see if I can find something useful, thank you for your suggestion.Franberg5 (talk) 16:00, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

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