Talk:List of Armenians/Archive 1

Does anyone now if Agassi's last name was changed from Aghassian or Aghassarian, since the latter is a common Armenian last name, while I've never heard of anyone called Aghassian. --Aramgutang 04:47, 20 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Aghassi's name has always been Aghassi. His father Emmanuel Aghassi was a boxing champion in Iran who particpated 1948 London Olympics. Emmanuel's Father was Chaldean and the Mother Armenian, he grew up in the section of Tehran populated by Armenians,he grew more Armenian than Chaldean. During 1950s Emmanuel moved to US and married there. V. Samuelian

Can anyone confirm Al Yeganeh? His name is typically Iranian/Azeri and I couldn't find anything online to indicate he might be Armenian ([1] says that he refuses to divulge personal information). Juko 11:02, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC) Yeganeh is Iranian only not Azeri, Yeganeh means ONE ONLY. Al Yeganeh could be Iranian/Persian. We have had Yeganian family name for Armenians in Iran. V. Samuelian

Armenian?

I don't think we can call people born in the USA "Armenian". We certainly don't do this with the list of Scots, despite there being plenty of Scottish descended Americans. Most of the people on this list aren't quite Armenian in that sense, and perhaps many don't even speak the language.

What do you suggest? We put (American-Armenian) or (Russian-Armenian) or (*-Armenian) for every person? Why don't the people read the articles and find out for themselves? Milou ge 23:32, 15 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Armenian is a nationality and ethnicity, while being an American simply means holding a citizenship of USA - it is not a nationality, but citizenship. Unlike other nations (ethnic groups), such as the Scots, most of the Armenians were able to keep a clear national identity despite the fact that they were born and raised in another country. Go to the Armenian communities around the globe and ask them who they are and you will get one clear answer: I am an Armenian (by Vahé Heboyan).

The general reader wants to know ancestry, too. The paragraph at the top makes that clear. We can address anonymous's concern by noting the country by each person's name. No hyphenation needed. For instance, Charles Aznavour considered himself simply French for most of his career; only late in life did he become more interested in his Armenian ancestry. Not being able to speak Armenian is regretable, but not a reason to deny someone Armenian identity. -- Korky Tashjian Day Korky Day 18:41, 14 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Questions on how prominent and on how long a listing

Who added the Amazing Race participants? They're not very prominent, just participants in a reality program. Why not also add those numerous Armenians who have participated in other game shows like Family Feud and Who Wants to Be a Millionaire? There's also somebody expanding the peoples' positions (or what the people listed on this page are known for). If people are interested, they can click on their names and find out more. Don't put their biographies on here. 04:28, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia is only about 5 years old. We're going to have this problem everywhere in the articles as everything expands. How far do we go? How do we decide how far we go? The tendency is expansion, not contraction, since the encyclopedia doesn't have to fit on a shelf. That's the advantage we have. People come to Wikipedia for stuff too obscure to be in a regular encyclopedia. But, still, I agree that reality shows is going too far, unless someone gets famous because of it. There we have the same problem again: how famous is famous enough? Korky Tashjian Day Korky Day 19:03, 14 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

As far as the descriptions getting too long, I agree--somewhat. If a listing for a single person exceeds one line, we've probably gone too far. On the other hand, if it's too short, the reader feels frustrated. They want to know enough to know if they want to bother clicking and reading more. For instance, "musician" is insufficient for me because I'm interested in popular musicians, not classical ones. Korky Tashjian Day Korky Day 19:08, 14 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Furthermore, if there is no article on the person yet, details are even more welcome. Korky Tashjian Day Korky Day 19:11, 14 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The too-long ones are all in Military. Probably written by one person. Could he/she shorten them? Of course, only if there is a separate article on that person which has all the deleted information. Korky Tashjian Day Korky Day 20:31, 14 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Armenian-Americans

Would people mind if I delete the Americans listed here? There is now a List of Armenian-Americans (created by me) and it has all of them on there. We could link to it from this page. JackO'Lantern 19:25, 5 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I mind. If we do that for each country, which is the logical conclusion, we lose a valuable compilation and make everyone click around trying to find them all in 20 or 30 countries. What if I don't know which country someone is from? Then I have a lot of searching!! Besides, some people migrate and don't easily fit into one country or another. I don't mind, though, if you note the country for each person in the list. I've been doing that myself. Korky Tashjian Day Korky Day 18:46, 14 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I am against as well! The list is about the Prominent Armenians, and not people living is US or elsewhere.

I'm against deletion of this list. It is especially useful for children looking for a comprehsive list of notable Armenians. (My children attend an Armenian day school here in the USA.) It's sad that this article is up for deletion and Mrs. Puff (of SpongeBob fame) has a complete article.12.15.7.70 19:22, 8 February 2007 (UTC)hyejohn[reply]

Hussein Chalayan

He's not Armenian but a Turkish-Cypriot living in UK, his real name is Hüseyin Çağlayan. His name needs to be deleted from this list. (Not all last names ending with an "-an" are actually Armenian, such as M. Night Shyamalan who is Indian) --Gokhan 08:58, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe we should have a list at the bottom "Mistaken for Armenian"!? Korky Tashjian Day Korky Day 18:51, 14 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I rather suggest a list of "wannabe Armenians". I even have a few names -not that much, but they form an interesting bunch- from Turkey to propose.:). On another note, I have a good source where Ara Güler describes himself as a Turkish Christian. I will add that as a short note if no objections. On still another note, I am drafting this article on Güllü Agop (who converted to Islam and took a Turkish name) and I am curious to know how you would define him. --Cretanforever 00:01, 15 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There are lots of borderline cases, which should all be included for the sake of completeness, but with explanations, of course! Thus we should include some of the ancient kings of Armenia who were not ethnically Armenian at all, but imported, as was the custom in Europe. Korky Tashjian Day Korky Day 00:36, 15 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Get your facts straight, it's -ian ending not an, and usually the only other ethnic group that has -ian ending is Persians Fedayee

Horthy challenged

Miklos Horthy an armenian??? Who wrote that, that is pure nonsense.

Dear anonymous, I don't know who did, or whether it's true, but you can add "Veracity questioned" after it. Korky Tashjian Day Korky Day 00:04, 15 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps someone confused Horthy with his successor Szalasi, who was part Armenian, according to sites found with Google. Korky Tashjian Day Korky Day 00:36, 15 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Vivien Leigh deleted but now I have a source

Vivien Leigh www.hartleyfamily.org.uk/Fame1.html says under Early Life: Vivien LEIGH was born Vivian Mary HARTLEY on the evening of Wednesday November 5th, 1913 in her parents home in Darjeeling, India. Her father, Ernest HARTLEY, was born in Yorkshire England in 1883, and had moved to India at the age of 22 in search of a career and adventure. He became involved with a brokerage firm, spent time racing horses, and acted in The Calcutta Dramatic Society. Vivien's mother, Gertrude YACKJEE, although from Irish descendants, was also born in Darjeeling India, in 1888. Friends of the Hartleys said that Gertrude, with her dark hair, blue eyes, and peach-like skin (traits Vivien would inherit), was very beautiful in her youth, more so than Vivien. The YACKJEE side of the family also had Armenian descendants which may have influenced Vivien's dark Eastern looks. Korky Day 09:03, 21 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The term "descendents" above means "ancestors", of course. I found nothing contradicting an Armenian connection in an extensive Google search. So I shall put back in with "Disputed; more references needed". Korky Day 08:38, 21 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Vivien Leigh's father was Ernest Hartley (incidentally, he was of French descent, although born in Yorkshire and of English nationality). Vivien Leigh's mother was Gertrude Yackjee of Irish, Armenian and Indian descent. She adopted a European name for her passport due to the stigma attached to a non-Western name. http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:OO_Ji1cS7vcJ:eurasiannation.proboards14.com/index.cgi%3Fboard%3Dask%26action%3Ddisplay%26num%3D1047939158+%22Gertrude+YACKJEE%22+armenian&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=7 Korky Tashjian Day Korky Day 09:03, 21 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It doesn't matter if her mother had some Armenian great-grandparent or not (It might matter to her article, at best, but not here). If you can find a good source that calls Vivien Leigh herself "an Armenian", she can be on this list - otherwise, no. In fact, I am going to be sourcing this list in accordance with Wikipedia's Verifiability and No Original Research policies, and thus A. removing Armenian-Americans, who have their own list (and putting them there only if they have been described as "Armenian-Americans" or "Armenian" by a good source) and B. other people who were not actually Armenian (by nationality) and have never been described as "Armenian" by a reliable source. The only way to put all these silly arguments to rest is to stick very closely to what Reliable sources have said on the matter, and make these lists follow Wikipedia policy. Mad Jack O'Lantern 06:06, 18 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Factual accuracy of Military section

While doing disambiguation work on the entry for Paul Ignatius, I found that he was listed as a former US deputy secretary of defense. However, his wikipedia page, as well as other research, seem to indicate that he was the assistant secretary of defense. While similar in name, these two are very different and should not be confused. There is only one deputy secretary of defense, while there can be many assistant secretaries. I have corrected the specific reference (since that was part of my disambiguation anyway), but I have reason to suspect that similar errors exist elsewhere in the list. Someone with more in-depth knowledge of the subject matter should go through the list and verify it. Also, adding direct links to the wikipedia page describing the specific job would be of more use to a person browsing the page. --Pekaje 21:02, 14 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I also came upon this page while doing disambiguation work (on "minister") on Paul Ignatius. The text refers to him as "1st US Minister of Armenian origin." This doesn't appear to match American usages of "minister." Should this read "1st US Cabinet member of Armenian origin"? I'm leery of changing the text without knowing more about whether an earlier Armenian American served as a US Cabinet member. However, I am removing the link to "minister," since this case doesn't appear to match any of the three usages of "minister" (minister of religion, diplomatic minister, or cabinet minister in a parliamentary government). Rickterp 02:48, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not remove a dispute template without fixing the problem. I added back a specific contradiction template for Paul Ignatius, as his own wikipedia page lists him as Under Secretary of the Army and Assistant Secretary of the Army, while this list has him as US Deputy Secretary of the Army. These are not the same. Please find out which one is correct and also go through the rest of the list for similar inaccuracies. --Pekaje 05:47, 18 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The Paul Ignatius on this page should be the one who was Assistant Secretary of Defense under the Johnson administration and Secretary of the Navy. I have found 2 links to this [2] and [3] (crtl+f "Ignatius" to see the info) Fedayee 02:26, 28 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Castiing.am

Is casting agency link necessary? I remember seeing it on some other article. Vartanm 08:32, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Nah, doesn't look necessary. - Fedayee 17:24, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]