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Sobhuza II

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So there was a discussion about whether Hassanal Bolkiah should be included in the sovereign states section, since his country was a British protectorate until 1984. People argue that based on that, he wouldn't qualify to be listed in that section until 2039. Fair enough, but there's another monarch that has a similar issue, but in reverse. The dependent or constituent states section lists Sobhuza II's entire 82 year reign at the top of the list. However, as pointed out in the entry itself, his country ceased to be a British protectorate in 1968, which means the last 14 years of his reign were of a sovereign country. So by the previous logic, should only the first 68 years of his reign be considered for the dependent monarch section, which would bump him considerably down the list? The closest thing it says on the matter is that the list contains monarchs who were "not internationally sovereign for most of their reign", but even then "most" could be interpreted to mean anything from "more than half of their reign" to "almost all of their reign". 2601:249:9301:D570:B52E:5F5A:4889:7D69 (talk) 18:08, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Clean-Up

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It has previously been seen that the first list had monarchs moved to the third list due to a lack of verifiable dates and and as such i think the same should happen with the second list. user:Yourlocallordandsavior. 77.101.238.210 (talk) 18:29, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

But the monarchs in the second list all have exact dates listed. Are you more saying these dates are incorrect? Ttutcha (talk) 23:37, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I actually think it's more of that we need verifiable sources for their dates instead of just random dates from unreliable and blacklisted sources such as Royalark and Indianrajputs. Infact Muhammad II of Kedah was removed from the first list because no reliable source could be found for his exact dates and all. S302921 (talk) 15:49, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

DO NOT INSERT Hassanal Bolkiah into independent ruler list until 2040

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Brunei did not become an independent state until 1984. He therefore should not be on the list until 2040. Yourlocallordandsavior (talk) 00:06, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In a similar vein, how should Sobhuza II's reign be handled, since the last 14 years of his reign were of an independent country, yet his entire 83 year reign is listed in the non-sovereign section. Should it only include up to 1968 there? 2601:249:9301:D570:A58F:3494:CAD4:696F (talk) 01:25, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
From my interpretation, I would just combine the non-sovereign and sovereign reigns together and label it as non-sovereign. Just write it down that non-sovereign's the default and that if it exceeds 56 years of Conrad, then it belongs on both lists. Yourlocallordandsavior (talk) 02:11, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Personally, it seems inconsistent to combine sovereign and non-sovereign for one of the affected individuals, but not the other. 98.228.137.44 (talk) 22:02, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Who would be next?

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I did a brief search to find out who the next monarchs on the first list would be. If you know of any other monarch with a longer reign than those mentioned, you can add him.


No. Portrait Name State Reign Duration Ref.
From To (days) (years, days)
26 Alfonso VIII  Castile 31 August 1158 5 October 1214 20,489 56 years, 35 days [1]
27 Henry III England 19 October 1216 16 November 1272 20,482 56 years, 28 days [2]
28 Lý Nhân Tông Đại Việt 3 February 1072 15 January 1128 20,434 55 years, 346 days [3]
29 Rainier III  Monaco 9 May 1949 6 April 2005 20,421 55 years, 332 days [4]
30 Victor Amadeus II Savoy 12 June 1675 3 September 1730 20,171 55 years, 83 days [5]
31 Moulay Ismail Ibn Sharif Morocco 14 April 1672 22 March 1727 20,064 54 years, 342 days [6]
32 Renzong Western Xia (China) 1 July 1139 16 October 1193 19,831 54 years, 107 days [7]
33 Han Wudi Han Dynasty (China) 7 March 141 BC 29 March 87 BC 19,745 54 years, 22 days [8]
34 Thutmose III Egypt 28 April 1479 BC 11 March 1425 BC 19,675 53 years, 317 days [9]
35 Frederick III  Holy Roman Empire 2 February 1440 19 August 1493 19,557 53 years, 198 days [10][11]
36 Cosimo III  Tuscany 23 May 1670 31 October 1723 19,518 53 years, 161 days [12]
37 John II  Navarre 8 September 1425 20 January 1479 19,492 53 years, 134 days [13]
38 Chongzong Western Xia (China) 11 September 1086 1 July 1139 19,285 52 years, 293 days [14]
39 Eric III Norway 8 September 1389 4 June 1442 19,261 52 years, 269 days [15]
40 Frederick I Sicily 17 May 1198 13 December 1250 19,203 52 years, 210 days [16]
41 Margrethe II  Denmark 14 January 1972 14 January 2024 18,993 52 years, 0 days [17]
42 Tahmasp I Persia 23 May 1524 14 May 1576 18,984 51 years, 357 days [18]
43 Casimir  Lithuania 29 June 1440 7 June 1492 18,971 51 years, 344 days [19]
44 Haakon VII  Norway 18 November 1905 21 September 1957 18,935 51 years, 307 days [20]
45 Ibn Saud
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Saudi Arabia
(1932–1953) 		13 January 1902 9 November 1953 18,928 51 years, 300 days [21]
46 Jogaila (second reign)  Lithuania 3 October 1382 1 June 1434 18,868 51 years, 241 days [22]
47 Abdullah I Kuwait 5 September 1762 3 May 1814 18,867 51 years, 240 days [23]
48 Said bin Sultan Oman 20 November 1804 4 June 1856 18,824 51 years, 197 days [24]
49 Yeongjo Joseon (Korea) 26 October 1724 22 April 1776 18,806 51 years, 179 days [25]
50 Henry IV  Holy Roman Empire 17 July 1054 31 December 1105 18,794 51 years, 167 days [26]

Historygeographyknowledge (talk) 12:24, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Amazing although what about Thutmose III and Nguyễn Hoàng. Also weren't Savoy and Tuscany apart of the Holy Roman Empire. S302921 (talk) 07:40, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the comment. I will add Thutmose III. As for Nguyễn Hoàng, it appears that he was a feudal lord within the Lê Dynasty.
Italian states ceased to be part of the HRE at the Peace of Westphalia, in 1648. But thank you for Thutmose III.There are many Egyptian pharaohs, have I missed more? 177.91.168.2 (talk) 09:15, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also that about the subjects of photos i found photos for a couple monarchs online. I'm not sure if these are alk fulky reliable sources but still then.
Karansinhji II Vajirajji : https://www.indianrajputs.com/i/t/i/lakhtar-Thakore-Sahib-KARANSINHJI-VAJIRAJJI-C-S-I-Thakore-Sahib-of-Lakhtar-1846-1924--1.jpg
Ram Singh : https://www.indianrajputs.com/i/t/i/thumb800_bundi-HH-Maharao-Raja-Ram-Singh-Ji-Bahadur-1.jpg
Wakhat Singh : https://www.indianrajputs.com/i/t/i/thumb800_lunawada-His-Highness-Maharaja-Shri-VAKHAT-SINHJI-K-C-I-E-22nd-Maharana-of-Lunawada-1867-1929-1.jpg
Nahar Singh : https://www.indianrajputs.com/i/t/i/shahpura_state-Rajadhiraj-Nahar-Singh-1.png S302921 (talk) 09:45, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not experienced at uploading photos and wasn't sure about the source but these could still possibly be used here. S302921 (talk) 09:46, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Who would be next (second list)

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I did a brief search to find who would be next for the second list. Feel free to add any more monarchs if you find them here. (W.I.P)

No. Portrait Name State Reign Duration Ref.
From To (days) (years, days)
101 Friedrich Günther Schwarzburg-Rudolstadt[a] 28 April 1807 28 June 1867 21,976 60 years, 61 days [1]
102 Johann Jakob I Waldburg-Zeil (Holy Roman Empire) 4 May 1614[b] 18 April 1674 21,899 59 years, 349 days
103 Ranjore Singh Ajaigarh State (British Raj) 4 September 1859 7 June 1919 21,825 59 years, 276 days
104 Tozawa Masanobu Shinjō Domain (Tokugawa shogunate, Japan) 7 August 1650 16 February 1710 21,742 59 years, 193 days
105 Gustav Adolph Mecklenburg-Güstrow (Holy Roman Empire) 23 April 1636 6 October 1695 21,715 59 years, 166 days
106 Carlo Filiberto I Este and San Martino in Rio (Holy Roman Empire) 13 December 1592 26 May 1652 21,714 59 years, 165 days
107 Mary Teresa Massa and Carrara (Holy Roman Empire) 18 August 1731 29 December 1790 21,683 59 years, 133 days
108 Charles I Hesse-Kassel (Holy Roman Empire) 21 November 1670 23 March 1730 21,671 59 years, 122 days
109 George Frederick I Brandenburg-Ansbach (Holy Roman Empire) 27 December 1543 25 April 1603 21,669 59 years, 119 days
110 Tsugaru Masatake Kuroishi Domain (Tokugawa shogunate, Japan) 1 November 1683 19 February 1743 21,659 59 years, 110 days
111 Abdul Halim  Kedah (Malaysia) 14 July 1958 11 September 2017 21,609 59 years, 59 days
112 Pakubuwono XII Surakarta (Indonesia) 11 June 1945 11 June 2004 21,550 59 years, 0 days
113 Sophia Sibylla Leiningen-Westerburg-Oberbronn (Holy Roman Empire) 13 April 1665 18 April 1724 21,544 58 years, 361 days
114 Barnim I Pomerania (Holy Roman Empire) 23 January 1220 13 December 1278 21,509 58 years, 324 days
115 Raghunath Sekhar Deo Gangpore State (British Raj) 28 October 1858 10 June 1917 21,409 58 years, 225 days
116 Ludovico I Saluzzo (Holy Roman Empire) 10 January 1416 8 April 1475 21,373 58 years, 189 days
117 Matsudaira Mitsunaga Takada Domain (Tokugawa shogunate, Japan) 1 March 1623 1 August 1681 21,338 58 years, 153 days
118 Heinrich XIII Reuss-Lower Greiz (Holy Roman Empire) 21 February 1675 14 April 1733 21,236 58 years, 52 days
119 Honoré I[c][3]  Monaco 22 August 1523 7 October 1581 21,231 58 years, 46 days
120 Philipp I Hesse-Philippsthal (Holy Roman Empire) 16 July 1663 18 June 1721 21,156 57 years, 337 days
121 Adolph Louis William Sayn-Wittgenstein-Karlsburg (Holy Roman Empire) 18 January 1749 20 December 1806[d] 21,154 57 years, 336 days
122 Johann Waldburg-Waldsee (Holy Roman Empire) 30 January 1667 25 December 1724 21,148 57 years, 330 days
123 Philipp I Nassau-Weilburg (Holy Roman Empire) 20 September 1371 2 July 1429 21,104 57 years, 285 days
124 Philipp I Hesse (Holy Roman Empire) 11 July 1509 31 March 1567 21,082 57 years, 263 days
125 Osagawara Tadao Kokura Domain (Japan) 3 December 1667 6 August 1725 21,065 57 years, 246 days
126 Albrecht I Hohenlohe-Weikersheim (Holy Roman Empire) 16 November 1371 15 June 1429 21,030 57 years, 211 days
127 Moritz Kasimir I Bentheim-Tecklenburg-Rheda (Holy Roman Empire) 13 December 1710 2 June 1768 20,991 57 years, 172 days
128 Craft Anthony William Oettingen-Katzenstein (Holy Roman Empire) 6 November 1693 25 April 1751 20,988 57 years, 170 days
129 Joseph Wilhelm Ernst Fürstenberg-Fürstenberg (Holy Roman Empire) 21 November 1704 29 April 1762 20,978 57 years, 159 days
130 Charles Nassau-Usingen (Holy Roman Empire) 14 February 1718 21 June 1775 20,946 57 years, 127 days
131 Wolfgang Julius Hohenlohe-Neuenstein (Holy Roman Empire) 11 September 1641 26 December 1698 20,925 57 years, 106 days
132 Honoré II  Monaco 21 November 1604 12 January 1662 20,871 57 years, 61 days
133 Henry II the Peaceful Brunswick-Lüneburg (Holy Roman Empire) 14 October 1416 7 December 1473 20,873 57 years, 54 days
134 Karl Eusebius  Liechtenstein (Holy Roman Empire) 12 February 1627 5 April 1684 20,872 57 years, 53 days
135 Hassanal Bolkiah  Brunei [e] 5 October 1967 still reigning 20,682 57 years, 28 days [4]

S302921 (talk) 18:24, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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New Longest Reigning Monarch?

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I recently discovered this guy who apparently reigned between sometime in 1912 to 6 March 2001. This is about 89 years. I’m not sure about about the start date but the end date seems legitimate. Until a source for his exact start date is found he’ll probably stay in the third list. Should he be included? https://web.archive.org/web/20180817011629/http://members.iinet.net.au/~royalty/states/nepal/bhirkot.html S302921 (talk) 18:49, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also even if they lost full powers, Nepal Monarchies still effectively continued to exist until 2008. Here's another source https://myrepublica.nagariknetwork.com/news/remembering-rishikesh-shaha-a-great-nepali-diplomat-of-all-time/ Please give me thoughts on this and i will add him. S302921 (talk) 18:52, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We need the name of the monarchs & what sovereign state they reigned over. GoodDay (talk) 19:06, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don’t think his state was sovereign as it seemed subordinate to the Kingdom of Nepal. But his name seems to have been Raja Tarak Bahadur Shah GoodDay. S302921 (talk) 19:12, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
He doesn't belong in the first section, then. GoodDay (talk) 19:12, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neither the second section since i couldn't find his exact start date but i do know it was sometime in 1912. Even a lower estimate would still place it way ahead of both Sobhuza II and Louis XIV. S302921 (talk) 19:14, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
With all of that should he be included? I am gonna let a few more editors decide before including him. S302921 (talk) 19:17, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
He doesn't belong in the top two sections. Louis XIV is still the longest reigned monarch of sovereign state. GoodDay (talk) 19:19, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]


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