Talk:Nathan Drake

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Date	Process	Result
December 11, 2009	Good article nominee	Listed
December 12, 2009	Peer review	Reviewed
January 27, 2010	Featured article candidate	Not promoted
May 11, 2010	Featured article candidate	Not promoted
September 16, 2010	Peer review	Reviewed
June 30, 2023	Good article reassessment	Delisted
A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on December 18, 2009. The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that Nathan Drake, protagonist of the Uncharted series, incorporates aspects from Johnny Knoxville and characters like Tintin and John McClane?
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Discussion: Appearances

Shouldn't Nathan Drake's appearances be in chronological order? If not, how does that explain Drake's Fortune, Eye of Indra, Among Thieves? LosHavros (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 14:32, 13 December 2009 (UTC).[reply]

Depends on what you mean by chronological order? By release, this list is already in chronological order, Drakes Fortune first, followed by Eye of Indra, followed by Among Thieves. The list would probably become confusing if the thing that was released second was ordered first. RWJP (talk) 14:37, 15 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, Among Thieves was released before Eye of Indra, so the list is indeed not in chronological order. I assumed that the list was in alphabetical order. Lars Holm (talk) 09:16, 18 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nathan's age

On the "The Uncharted 2 Game of the Year Edition" episode of G4TV's Feedback (http://g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/701417/Feedback----The-Uncharted-2-Game-of-the-Year-Edition.html), one of the things they talked about went:
G4TV Guy: "It makes me feel like I can relate to them, even though I'm not some 27 year old explorer who can just jump around in a bunch of dangerous caves."
Amy Hennig: "Oh come on, he's in his mid-thirties."
Should this new info on his age be added to the article in some way? I'd like to see it added, but I'm not really sure where it would go. Lars Holm (talk) 09:16, 18 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for finding it! I'll work it in somewhere in the attributes section soon. Cheers! Scapler (talk) 19:24, 18 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Images

I found the concept art too similar to the in-game image used to identify the character. The overuse of two images to show practically the same character twice would not satisy WP:NFCC. As such, I was bold and removed it. In place, I added verifiable "free" images of Johnny Knoxville (the basis for Drake's looks), and Sir Francis Drake (the "ancestor" and a plot device for the game).[1] Note that while Commons have portraits of Drake, they are typically in the same style, lacking the "adventurer spirit" (and most do not have the necessary information for verification). Jappalang (talk) 23:20, 9 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Bold is good, good indeed. While I thought the image was justifiable, it seems others shared your concern as well, and I am glad the person who removed them found other images to spruce up the article with. Also, the image of Drake used is definitely the best, since it does convey that spirit so embodied in the games. Appreciated. Cheers! Scapler (talk) 04:30, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Primary topic

This article isn't one. Currently, searching Nathan Drake takes you to...well, Nathan Drake (not this article, it's about a 19th century English poet/physician guy). This article (Nathan Drake (character)) has a helluva lot more page views than the other. In accordance with WP:Primary topic, I'm proposing this article be renamed to "Nathan Drake", as a primary topic, and the other moved to "Nathan Drake (physician)" (or whatever suffix people can agree on). Any suggestions, comments, disagreements, supports or oppositions? Lord Spongefrog, (I am Czar of all Russias!) 14:11, 10 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I am opposed to it, as it depends on where one is coming from. As Churchill said "Neville Chamberlain looked at foreign affairs through the wrong end of a municipal drainpipe." (Chamberlain's family made their mark as local politicians in Birmingham). I would agree that Nathan Drake is not the primary topic, but I do not think that this character is so well known either, so I suggest that we move the Nathan Drake article to a dab page and make Nathan Drake a disambiguation page. I had been considering doing this since I moved the section on Nathan Drake the elder out of the Nathan Drake (the younger) into a separate biography article called Nathan Drake (artist). Now I know that there is another article with the same name and a dab extension, it make it worth the effort. -- PBS (talk) 18:50, 6 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

What makes him an everyman? He wears a t-shirt and jeans.

But does that need to be mentioned THREE times on his Wikipedia page?

(Also, nowhere on the page does it quite describe his...Job.) 86.25.124.54 (talk) 05:20, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Who Nathan Drake is based on

Sure, Johnny Knoxville and characters like Indiana Jones are good examples, but I'm sure many will agree that Nathan Fillion's character on Firefly is a much better example, as it covers looks, demeanor, mannerisms, etc — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.171.231.83 (talk) 05:18, 5 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. That sentence is just laughable. I don't know if ND is trying to avoid a controversy like the one with The Last of Us and Ellen Page, but Nathan is essentially Nathan Fillion in game form. They even have the same name!— Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.168.207.237 (talk) 13:10, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

New editor looking to help

Hello everyone, I noticed this page in the list of "articles needing copy editing." Is there anything specifically I can work on? I was reading through the article looking for grammatical errors, but everything looks solid and well sourced. I appreciate any feedback, just looking for something to help on because I absolutely love this series! Nazrok (talk) 22:13, 19 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Comparison to rapper Drake

There are two sources cited in this article that compare Nathan Drake to the rapper Drake: an article from Yahoo, which briefly and jokingly mentions that they share the same name (in a throwaway sentence at the end of the article); and an arguably humorous tweet from PlayStation UK, featuring an image of the treasure hunter with the rapper in the background (I should note that the previous source used for this was a Twinfinite article, but since Twinfinite is not considered a reliable source, this is not much better). These are certainly not comparisons between the character and the rapper, and only one could be considered a slight reference (a more suitable word would be allusion) at best. I don't think they warrant inclusion in the article. – Rhain ☔ 06:13, 21 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The only way that the comparison should be made is if Naughty Dog came out and specifically same that Nathan was based on the rapper (which... no). --MASEM (t) 06:32, 21 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I think a joke made by two sources isn't really worth mentioning, haha. I don't think there is an actual allusion in place. People share names, that's just how it goes. ~Mable (chat) 08:54, 21 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It's a joke. Not a statement of fact. Remove it. - X201 (talk) 09:11, 21 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I also support removal. Just because something can be sourced, doesn't mean we need to include it. It's a trivial observation largely based around 2 unrelated things that have part of a name in common. Sergecross73 msg me 13:41, 21 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

+1 czar 16:00, 21 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

To do a little research myself: Uncharted: Drake's Fortune was released in 2007. Using Wikipedia as a source, Uncharted was in development "for about two years". The first "official mixtape" by Drake, Room for Improvement, was released in 2006, during Uncharted's development, which is well before the release of Drake's studio album Thank Me Later, in 2010. Maybe Room for Improvement did inspire Naughty Dog during the character design? What is also a possibility is that Naughty Dog are huge fans of the teen drama series Degrassi: The Next Generation, where Drake appeared in from 2001 till 2009, in 145 episodes. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 12:27, 24 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 9 July 2020

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The result of the move request was: Moved. Sceptre (talk) 13:19, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Nathan Drake (character) → Nathan Drake (Uncharted) – Per WP:NCVG#Disambiguation guidelines, it should be disambiguated with the name of the game that he features in. _{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 10:13, 9 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nomination. A glance at characters listed under categories covered by the parent Category:Fictional characters by genre confirms that the great majority of those needing disambiguation are disambiguated via the title from which those characters originated and the few characters that are not disambiguated in this manner should be. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 05:47, 10 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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possible suggestions?

Hello there,

The article as of right now is really good and all the information that has been put are accurate and have no complaints because all those have had edited this article in the past also share a deep interest in the games. Something I think the article would benefit from is if there is an added section about Nathan Drake's relationships over the course of the games because he has met and worked with many characters as well as fighting many villains. Some of these characters he has worked with has reappeared in sequels (Sully, Chloe, Elena). Then there are characters like Sam who only appears in one game but has a lot of importance to Nate so to include a section toward relationships would be beneficial to the article and allow the reader to know more about the character. Just a thought though and feel free to reply and give your thoughts about it. Thanks for reading :) LDMisEditing (talk) 02:07, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Knoxville

@Rhain: here's some quotes from a couple of the articles I read, In a recent discussion with The Verge, Naughty Dog veteran Josh Scherr revealed that Johnny Knoxville was used as the basis for Nathan Drake during the game's original pitch, when Uncharted went under the moniker of Project Big. In Naughty Dog's pitch video, Nathan Drake is less of the heroic character seen in the final version, and instead has more of a comedic slant. Eventually, the developer would take on a "traditionally handsome" approach for the lead, with Nathan Drake's final character cemented in place by Nolan North's voice acting.[2] And, Though Knoxville served as the primary inspiration for Drake's character initially, the team quickly turned away from the more comedic approach after finding Nolan North, the voice actor that eventually lent his likeness to the games.[3]

I think it's still worth having a sentence or two about Knoxville, but I'll leave that up to folks more experienced with gaming articles. – ².O.^Boxing 07:19, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox

@Rhain: @Kung Fu Man: In order to prevent an edit war (serious Rhain with two editors undoing your edits, doing three reverts isn't a good look), we'll discuss it here. The argument you present is of no real value to the average reader, and the point of the infobox is to give the stuff that a person might want to know at first glance. As someone with little knowledge of Uncharted, all the stuff you mentioned meant nothing to me. I'm sure it means a lot to Uncharted fans, though. And looking at the article, I don't get the impression that it is an important maiden name, only mentioned once in passing. As far as the nickname goes, I'd argue that there is a threshold of obviousness. For example, we don't list the fact that he's male in the infobox, even though it's obvious, because we have a specific guideline that tells you not to do so unless there's reason to believe that the average person may not realize what the character's gender is. I contend that there is equally a threshold when it comes to listing the most common nickname for Nathan on the planet in the infobox. I also think it's weird to mention that the nickname is frequently used. Why does the article interchange between Nate and Drake anyway? One of those should be chosen, and, again, pulling the outsider card, Nate is one name I know him by least (excluding Morgan). - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 09:23, 29 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm aware of WP:3RR. I consider Nathan's birth name important because his name change is an integral part of the character's background; he specifically chose Drake in honour of Francis Drake, whom his mother (a historian) spent much of her life researching, leading to the events of the first game (and consequently the entire series), which the article recounts. His birth name is an important part of his development and background; I disagree that it's purely cruft and see no good reason that it be removed.

Similarly, I disagree that his nickname is trivial, even if it is "obvious" (which isn't necessarily true; there are several other nicknames for Nathan too); "Nate" is used a similar amount (possibly more) than "Nathan", both in and outside of the games, so it seems logical to briefly clarify. I definitely don't want to start listing all possible nickname variations ("Kid", "Cowboy", etc.)—I'll leave that to Fandom et al.—but I don't see why his most common nickname should be excluded. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 09:58, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

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On the first detail, there are many things that could be significant that are not included, and once again, I do not see reason to believe that the average viewer benefits from seeing his birth name. To me, this is fandom levels of information, same with listing Nate. While one cannot necessarily speculate that people call him Nate, it being a common nickname in the game doesn't mean that the nickname needs to be included. It's pretty apparent a trivial detail compared to the other stuff in the infobox. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 10:14, 29 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I fundamentally disagree, particularly regarding his nickname; it's neither trivial nor obvious, and extends beyond simply "being a common nickname in the game". – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 10:19, 29 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

What is the in-universe significance of him being called Nate? - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 11:59, 29 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There isn't really any; it's just what everybody calls him. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 12:04, 29 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Then wouldn't that just be assumed? Most readers are going to automatically assume Nate is short for Nathan. It's not a case like, say, "DK" for Donkey Kong where it's used readily enough that it's best to inform the reader at a glance. It doesn't need to be spelled out.

The point of the infobox is supposed to stick to the most important details to inform the reader at a glance so they can get a quick feel of a character before reading the article. That's why stuff like family or the maiden name here don't offer much over knowing say their nationality or who made them. I know you argued before those params wouldn't be there if they weren't intended to be used, but we share that infobox with projects that are a lot messier with their standards.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 14:31, 29 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No, and I'm not sure why that would be assumed. This isn't just a random nickname for the character; it's so frequently used that it's almost arguably his common name. Contrary to your opinion, I think this information does inform the reader at a glance, especially, in this case, those unfamiliar with the nickname. And I'm aware of the history of the template, but it doesn't change the fact that the parameters still exist and no guidelines nor documentation prohibit (or even discourage) their usage. I don't find "per other articles" to be a sufficient reason without guidelines to support it. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 15:20, 29 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Well if you feel it's this big an issue why not take it to WT:VG and bring it up there? Because right now you have two editors questioning why it's necessary at all for the infobox.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 19:27, 29 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'd argue that the editors doing drive-by removals of information that has been vetted and maintained (all while citing as-yet-unseen consensus and "per other articles") should be bringing it up there. I have no problems with following consensus and guidelines, but I'm yet to see either. Honestly, it seems like this is something that needs to be raised at the template talk so the documentation can be changed (if that's the consensus); until then, this infobox is doing exactly what its primary purpose is (without going overboard), per its documentation. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 23:39, 29 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Again, multiple projects have different standards than the VG project and all use the same template. You're not going to get a clean consensus vs more localized project based discussion.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 00:37, 30 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, that's likely true—and when that localised, project-based discussion takes place, I'll absolutely comply with whatever the outcome. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 00:49, 30 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Rhain on this one. His nickname "Nate" is essentially his common name throughout the series, and the birth name is important to incude here as well. For an infobox's purpose is summarise the key facts, it makes to include these two fields. Spy-cicle💥 ^Talk? 00:53, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 4 July 2023

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The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Sceptre (talk) 13:15, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

– In 2020, I am not quite sure why I didn't simply propose this article be moved to the primary topic. It is unquestionably so, with pageviews for the historical Drakes being almost nothing in comparison. Despite being a fictional character, he is what almost everyone searching for "Nathan Drake" is looking for in the modern day. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 15:02, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose in GBooks the video game character is not the default encyclopaedic subject.

Nathan Drake (artist) (c. 1728–1778), English artist
Nathan Drake (essayist) (1766–1836), his son, English Shakespearian essayist and physician

In ictu oculi (talk) 17:33, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The first page of Google Books results for me brings up mostly Uncharted-related things. I am not sure what you mean by "default subject" or where the proof of this is. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 18:30, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support Honestly most prominent.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 20:53, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support Most well known Nathan Drake is definitely from a fictional character. GreenishPickle! (🔔) 22:15, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. The other articles mentioned by IIO have literally single digit daily views when combined. SnowFire (talk) 15:26, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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