Talk:Nexperia

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COI edits

Just so you know, DavidRJD, there is process for those like yourself with a COI with Nexperia for proposing edits. You are expected to propose and discuss them on talk. See WP:COIEDITS. - Amigao (talk) 21:12, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the comment, and this is helpful. Does my last set of edits where I just pulled forward the actual current ownership help? I just want the information to be accurate. DavidRJD (talk) 21:17, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Specific ownership percentages are too much detail for the the lede section and the source you provided, Marketscreener, does not look like a WP:RS. It looks like a scraper site and their sourcing is not clear. You previously referenced a much more reliable source, The Wire China, in your edit summaries. You provided this. That's a better one to reference here. Also, CNBC is considered a reliable source. - Amigao (talk) 21:32, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Appreciate the response. Let me take some time offline to propose an additional edit to you. DavidRJD (talk) 21:34, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Proposed Changes

* Specific text to be removed: It is a subsidiary of Wingtech Technology, a Shanghai-listed company partially owned by the State-owned Assets Supervision and Administration Commission of the State Council. * Reason for the change: This is inaccurate (ownership of parent below) and is irrelevant to this entry (it relates to the parent, not of Nexperia * References supporting change: https://fintel.io/so/cn/600745, https://www.morningstar.com/stocks/xshg/600745/ownership, and https://uk.marketscreener.com/quote/stock/WINGTECH-TECHNOLOGY-CO-LT-9950161/company-shareholders/ DavidRJD (talk) 01:59, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Relevant background to this request can be found at COIN (here [1]) and at the user's talkpage. The matter seems to be disputed by user:Amigao. Axad12 (talk) 03:47, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Disclaimer was posted on my main talk page, and I adopted language from my assigned mentor. I hope this clarifies any remaining issues. I will wait a week for comments before pushing any changes. DavidRJD (talk) 21:32, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: declined per below. Quetstar (talk) 05:27, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

Proposed Changes

Delete: Wingtech is partially owned by the State-owned Assets Supervision and Administration Commission of the State Council (SASAC).

• Reason for the change: This is not supported by the reference (the reference relates to provenance not the organization cited by the change), is inaccurate (ownership of parent below) and is irrelevant to this entry (it relates to the parent, not of Nexperia* References supporting change: https://fintel.io/so/cn/600745, https://www.morningstar.com/stocks/xshg/600745/ownership, and https://uk.marketscreener.com/quote/stock/WINGTECH-TECHNOLOGY-CO-LT-9950161/company-shareholders/

DavidRJD (talk) 02:04, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Relevant background to this request can be found at COIN (here [2]) and at the user's talkpage. The matter seems to be disputed by user:Amigao. Axad12 (talk) 03:47, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Disclaimer was posted on my main talk page, and I adopted language from my assigned mentor. I hope this clarifies any remaining issues. I will wait a week for comments before pushing any changes. DavidRJD (talk) 21:32, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

We follow what WP:RSes state here and partial ownership by SASAC is cited in the body. - Amigao (talk) 23:05, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

David, just a note to say that I've reformulated the way the COI edit templates were added to these requests, so that the yellow box now appears over each request. This means that the requests now appear in a queue which editors interested in COI edit requests can access. This will bring uninvolved editors to the scene and will hopefully result in the matter being resolved.

I should have done this when the issue was initially raised but unfortunately I became sidetracked.

Finally, I would just say that the COI edit process will take as long as it takes and you must wait for it to run its course, it isn't a question of waiting a certain amount of time and then implementing the changes yourself.

Hopefully this helps... Axad12 (talk) 02:09, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

A minority interest held by another entity has no business being in the entry of a subsidiary. This statement was only added to try to paint Nexperia negatively.

Second, if you want to do this, there is no central SASAC ownership according to the WP:RS that you cite. According to the ones you cite, there is less than a 17.5% interest (total) in the entity, and the central SASAC owns none—only various local municipalities. This would be like me saying that Nvidia is a state-owned asset of Canada because the CPP owns a significant interest in it.

If this statement needs to be made, it must be in the context of the other owners. Otherwise, it gives a false and misleading impression. DavidRJD (talk) 20:24, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

David, you might consider reviewing WP:AGF and WP:NOTCENSORED in addition to the cited CNBC article. - Amigao (talk) 21:18, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Amigao, Thanks.

Please remember this is an article about Nexperia NOT Wingtech. We don't include information about parents into subsidiaries without a purpose, so I'm a little surprised at this deviation from policy.

However, just because this is linked with the parent, I've reviewed all the above, including the 2021 CNBC article. The CBNC says the money recieved was in an "investment fund." -- exactly the item Wiki says are not properly lableled as state-owned or operated.

The Wall Street Journal, Reuters, Shanghai Stock Exchange, Market Screener, all make it clear Wingtech is privately owned.

Since you want to use CNBC, I'd point out that CNBC has its description of Wingtech as follows: "WINGTECH TECHNOLOGY CO., LTD, formerly JOIN-IN (HOLDING) CO.,LTD., is a China-based company principally engaged in the research, development and manufacture of mobile terminals and smart hardware products. The Company operates three business segments. The Electronic Equipment Manufacturing Business segment is mainly engaged in the research and manufacturing of mobile internet equipment products mainly based on smart phones. "

I look forward to your response on the specifics of the ownership. DavidRJD (talk) 01:42, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Incorrect. The Wire China lists the State-owned Assets Supervision and Administration Commission of the State Council as a 7.6% beneficial owner of Wingtech, as you can see here. That certainly qualifies as partial state ownership. Also, thank you for providing The Wire China source earlier in your edit summaries. It's a really good source. - Amigao (talk) 01:57, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

You are changing your position, so I appreciate that we may be making progress. It seems like you are no longer arguing (as your edits to the Wingtech Page show) that Wingtech is "State-Owned" but are now arguing that there is either partial state ownership or investment by local municipalities.

The link you provide for the Wire is not for a WP:RS, it is a link to an article about the source you are promoting. The link to Wirescreen (not to the Wire as your post seems to indicate) shows it is for a local municipality. Despite this, you attribute 100% of the ownership on the Wingtech Wiki Page to an entity with no investment and do not name the local municipality with a 7.6% investment. (We've seen previous numbers as high as 20%, but at no time has there been a controlling interest made by the state).

In the state ownership Wiki page, the state ownership label requires "with a government owning all or a controlling stake of the company's shares". There is no evidence that a government has a controlling stake of Wingtech. What you are doing is no different than labeling every bank in the US "state-owned" because of TARP, saying Intel is State Owned because of the CHIPS actalong with a myrid of other examples.

If you need to list the investors in the WIngtech, how about we list them in the WIngtech entry? At least that way, the reader is not left with a misimpression of who the owners are, and it is located in the right place. DavidRJD (talk) 02:53, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Both articles have said that such state ownership is partial in nature. You might want to check the history of the articles. - Amigao (talk) 03:07, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Your edits removed the partial, so Wingtech says it is "State owned" which we all seem to agree is inaccurate. It seems to impute Chinese party control in a highly politicized area where the only thing the political parties agree on is that drugs are bad, crime is everywhere, and China is responsible for our financial woes.

Not to try and inject a little humor, but It occurs to me that this is late Saturday night in the US -- I think we have both made our cases pretty clear and (while I don't have anything better going on) I'm happy to leave this here for an admin so that I can catch up on TV shows that, while may appear on Wikipedia, I will not admit to watching on Wikipedia. DavidRJD (talk) 04:28, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: No consensus, Also, this discussion is going nowhere. Quetstar (talk) 05:26, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

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