Talk:Sherlock Holmes (1984 TV series)

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Differences from the original stories

Numerous small differences exist between the TV adaptation and the original stories by Conan Doyle. In many cases these deviations provide an amplified role for Watson. For example, the TV version of The_Adventure_of_Shoscombe_Old_Place shows Watson occupying the butler and cook of the mansion with a medical consultation on their ailments while Holmes snoops around inside the house and collects hair samples of the suspected victim. In Doyle's story there is no such diversion or snooping around - in fact the narrative begins with an examination of the hair samples, provided to Holmes by a police inspector. Similarly, in The_Adventure_of_the_Norwood_Builder the TV version depicts Watson as discovering the money transfers to the name of Cornelius, while the original story credits that finding to Holmes. The TV version of The_Disappearance_of_Lady_Frances_Carfax begins with Watson as a fellow guest of the Lady at a Continental hotel, while in the original story Watson is sent on an enquiry mission to the hotel by Holmes only after her reported disappearance.

The TV version of The_Adventure_of_the_Creeping_Man deviates significantly from Doyle's original, with the introduction of a subplot of simian thefts and a complete elimination of the mysterious scientist Lowenstein who is the source of Prof.Presbury's elixir in the original.

Title?

Perhaps the entry should be titled Sherlock Holmes (1984 TV Series). The series is a continuing affair with each subsequent set of episodes titled after a collection of Holmes books; the entire series is not "The Adventures of Sherlock Holmes". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jambeeno (talk • contribs) 15:08, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Good point. The article itself actually gives that information. I propose moving it in a week unless someone disagrees. --Saddhiyama (talk) 16:48, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm interested in further developing this article but I've never done major edits... cold feet, I guess. There are plenty of references to the series in other articles, and they refer to it as "The Adventures" — presumably these will need updating? Or will they automatically revert to the new titleif/when the article is moved?--Jambeeno (talk) 17:43, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Go ahead and expand the article, if anything this seems like a good place to start trying major edits, as it is a subject that is not too contested while at the same time being of above average in importance (at least when it comes to dramatisations of Sherlock Holmes). The old name will automatically be turned into a redirect to the new one, but eventually manually changing them into the new name would be preferred. --Saddhiyama (talk) 18:35, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

I have moved the article to its proper name. --Saddhiyama (talk) 14:09, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Original research

This is from the section on DVD releases.

Because of pulldown, PAL and SECAM versions of the episodes run at approximately 4.27% greater speed than NTSC versions, with the corresponding increase in pitch for all sounds and the reduction in running-time.

This statement is unsourced, and common sense dictates that it is unlikely to be true for legal DVD releases. It is not standard practice to press region one DVDs from region two DVDs; rather, all DVDs are pressed from the original tape masters. The only time the statement would likely be true is in the case of illegally downloading via Bit Torrent a video file ripped from a region two DVD, then attempting to convert the file to a region one DVD-R. In the case of piracy of this type, there are techniques that are commonly used to correct for the playback speed and aspect ratio differences, which casts further doubt on the veracity of this unsourced statement. If there is actual evidence that the region one DVDs play like direct dubs of the region two DVDs, why no citations, and why no mention in the rest of the section regarding the region one DVDs? 71.200.134.47 (talk) 01:44, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

It doesn't make any sense anyway - the PAL will always be the correct speed, being the native format, so any difference with the NTSC would make the NTSC the wrong pitch, etc. 86.24.51.29 (talk) 08:57, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

Number of episodes doesn't add up?

In the article, it says 42 stories were adapted. However, I'm only counting 41. Can the primary author of this article resolve this confusion?Drewchas (talk) 20:11, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

As with many wikiarticles there is no primary author and many of those that started this one several years ago are likely gone. The discrepancy comes because one of the stories (I think it was one of the feature length ones from 92-3 but I could be wrong) incorporated two Doyle short stories. This was noted in the article at one point in time but I don't know when it was removed. I'm a bit busy offline at the moment so you might dig into the edit history to find the answer or I will put this on my to do list - sorry I can't give you an exact time of when I can get to it though. MarnetteD | Talk 21:44, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Well that was easier than I thought. The note about the blending of stories had been turned into a reference for some reason. The Mazarin Stone (not one of the feature length stories so I was in error in my first post) was combined with elements of The 3 Garridebs so that gives us 42 stories adapted into 41 episodes. The note isn't a reference but it might be turned into a footnote by someone so you may want to watch for that in the future. MarnetteD | Talk 21:57, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

You could actually say 43 stories as the Eligible Bachelor includes elements of The Adventure of the Veiled Lodger71.58.106.147 (talk) 02:13, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Yes but you would need a source stating the the writers referred to that story on purpose. MarnetteD | Talk 02:42, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Jeremy Brett, the character, and the continuation of the series…

Could the article be clarified a little in the section about the series coming to an end? It seems to me to imply that Brett had decided never to play the part again in spite of his health (e.g. he wouldn’t even if he could have), rather than just because his health was failing and he was retiring from acting. Was that the case? I know that he said that he found it a very taxing part, mentally and physically, but also that he regretted not being able to complete the canonical works, so perhaps he was conflicted about it? Or would he have come back, had the circumstances been different? On a related note, does anyone know if there were plans in place to do more episodes, had Mr. Brett been in good health, and if so, what would they have been? And did Granada consider continuing with another actor in the rôle? Jock123 (talk) 10:29, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

You've got to bear in mind that British TV series don't lock actors in for years the way US ones do. There's a long history of actors deciding to leave roles but getting enticed back and a lot of uncertainty when they die suddenly mid negotiation. Timrollpickering (talk) 21:04, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

Cocaine

That Holmes gave up his cocaine habit is not a difference between the series and the stories. There are only two stories where Holmes is shown to be actually using cocaine, "The Sign of the Four" and "A Scandal in Bohemia". In "The Adventure of the Missing Three-Quarter" Watson says he "gradually weaned [Holmes] from that drug mania" without naming the drug, and in several other stories it's referred to only in vague terms or in the past tense. So if there's a change to Holmes' cessation of the habit, it's in the timing only. 192.91.171.36 (talk) 04:02, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

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