Talk:Typhoon Alice (1953)

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A fact from Typhoon Alice (1953) appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 9 December 2020 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that 18.33 inches (46.6 cm) of rain fell within 24 hours in Guam during Typhoon Alice, a record for the territory that was not surpassed for another 23 years?

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The result was: promoted by Amkgp (talk) 06:13, 5 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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~~... that within 24 hours, 18.33 inches (46.6 cm) of rain fell in Guam during Typhoon Alice, a record that was not surpassed until 1976?~~ Source: Weir, pg. 25
- ALT1:... that two airmen were electrocuted when they were leaning against a doorknob during Typhoon Alice? Source: Guam Daily News

Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/130 West 57th Street

Moved to mainspace by Nova Crystallis (talk). Self-nominated at 21:37, 20 November 2020 (UTC).[reply]

Drive-by comment: ALT0 gives no indication of how long this period was. I suggest this tweak:
ALT0a: ... that within 24 hours, 18.33 inches (46.6 cm) of rain fell in Guam during Typhoon Alice, a record that was not surpassed for another 23 years? Yoninah (talk) 16:12, 23 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Fine by me. Nova Crystallis (Talk) 16:54, 23 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Full review: QPQ done. Article was mainspaced on 20 November and nominated the same day. Is long enough, suitably referenced, free of copyvio. Cites reliable sources. Both hooks verified, but I think that ALT0a is far more interesting. Looks good to go. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 23:06, 26 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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Reviewer: Hurricane Noah (talk · contribs) 22:45, 8 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Doing. Noah^Talk 22:45, 8 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Typhoon Alice was a typhoon that bought severe flooding to Guam during the 1953 Pacific typhoon season. I get that you want to relate the storm to the season, but I don't think this timeframe is specific enough since the season encompasses the whole year.

Better? Nova Crystallis (Talk) 00:07, 20 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Make sure you say "the JTWC" and "the JMA". The article can't be omitted even though it is an abbreviation. This issue is throughout the whole article.

Done. Nova Crystallis (Talk) 02:02, 14 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

and JTWC reported that the storm had intensified to 65 knots (75 mph; 120 km/h), equivalent to a Category 1 typhoon on the Saffir–Simpson scale, one day later This should be split off into its own sentence. The time should be moved to the beginning of the sentence.

Done. Nova Crystallis (Talk) 07:36, 3 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Northwest of Guam, the typhoon traveled northeastwards, reaching its peak of 100 kn (115 mph; 185 km/h) late on October 18 near Iwo Jima Two locations in the same sentence don't bode well.

Picked the latter location. Nova Crystallis (Talk) 08:37, 23 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Alice then steadily weakened, down to a tropical storm on October 20 You need a present participle rather than an adverb for this and any appropriate adjustments.

Removed the comma. Nova Crystallis (Talk) 07:36, 3 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Is there a reason why rainfall is reported in centimeters? We usually use millimeters.

Changed. Nova Crystallis (Talk) 04:29, 10 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Why do you mention pressures multiple times? They generally aren't important if the storm is still building up. The peak appears to be the only important one here.

I feel like mentioning them while strengthening/weakening to a category isn't that big of a deal. Without them I think the meteorological history might be too short. Nova Crystallis (Talk) 00:07, 20 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

On the first mention of pressure, link Atmospheric Pressure.

Done. Nova Crystallis (Talk) 00:07, 20 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You should mention JTWC winds are 1-minute sustained and JMA winds are 10-minute sustained

I think that is moot because JMA did not have wind speeds for these storms. Nova Crystallis (Talk) 23:59, 9 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

by reconnaissance flights Who did these flights?

Added. Nova Crystallis (Talk) 04:29, 10 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

historic western north Pacific tropical cyclone record "the" before this?

Added. Nova Crystallis (Talk) 04:29, 10 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

just not observed --> but were not observed

Done. Nova Crystallis (Talk) 04:29, 10 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Alice began to steadily weaken later that day, to You need more than a preposition here

Removed comma. Nova Crystallis (Talk) 20:18, 6 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

typhoon strength to 60 kn (70 mph; 110 km/h) same thing here

Done. Nova Crystallis (Talk) 21:45, 6 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

As Alice traveled near the International Date Line (IDL), the storm had weakened to 35 kn (40 mph; 65 km/h) at 18:00 UTC --> Alice traveled near the International Date Line (IDL) and had weakened to 35 kn (40 mph; 65 km/h) at 18:00 UTC...

Done. Nova Crystallis (Talk) 08:37, 23 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe mention baroclinicity for the restrenthening?

I don't have the report to back this up, and neither does DTIC. I don't want to assume anything from some best track files. Nova Crystallis (Talk) 23:59, 9 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You should abbreviate the US units

Done. Nova Crystallis (Talk) 04:23, 10 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

was also recorded on the island should be were since it is two items.

Done. Nova Crystallis (Talk) 04:23, 10 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

three to four feet (0.91 to 1.22 m) "3 to 4" so US numbers are consistently displayed in the article. There are more occurrences of this.

Done. Nova Crystallis (Talk) 04:23, 10 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

500 yards (460 m) Should be ft here for consistency

Keeping it close to the source. Nova Crystallis (Talk) 04:23, 10 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The fourth death was a farmer dying from a heart attack in his pasture during the storm, who had been previously reported as drowned. This seems a little clunky. The last tidbit could be sectioned off with a semi colon instead of a comma

Done. Nova Crystallis (Talk) 20:50, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

winds of 70 mph (110 km/h) were reported on the island sustained winds?

Not sure, it wasn't proven by the newspaper. Nova Crystallis (Talk) 23:59, 9 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That should be it. Noah^Talk 01:03, 9 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]