Template:Did you know nominations/John Cunningham (RAF officer)

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The result was: rejected by Allen3 ^talk 09:35, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
Insufficient progress toward resolving outstanding issues

John Cunningham (RAF officer)

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... that the British RAF officer John Cunningham (pictured) was nicknamed "Cat's Eyes"?

Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Traian Bratu

Improved to Good Article status by Dapi89 (talk). Nominated by Calvin999 (talk) at 21:27, 12 March 2015 (UTC).

Recently promoted to GA status, long enough, well written, within policy, image is good, and QPQ is given. Hook is not cited in the article anywhere. You need to mention the nickname somewhere in the article (not Lead) and cite it with a reliable source. Hook is interesting though. Thank you. --Captain Assassin! ^{«T ♦ C ♦ G»} 03:55, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

It is in article, twice (plus as a headline section). Hook not that important. Dapi89 (talk) 09:55, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

Alright, it's good to go. --Captain Assassin! ^{«T ♦ C ♦ G»} 10:42, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
Per Wikipedia:Did you know#Eligibility criteria 3b: Each fact in the hook must be supported in the article by at least one inline citation to a reliable source, appearing no later than the end of the sentence(s) offering that fact. Citations at the end of the paragraph are not sufficient. Please put the cite next to the hook fact. Thank you, Yoninah (talk) 21:09, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Dapi89, you need to take care of this. If that hook isn't important, come up with another hook that is supported by a citation. — LlywelynII 01:58, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

I don't need to do anything. The article is cited for everything. Please read it thoroughly. Dapi89 (talk) 12:52, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Dapi89, you do if you wish this particular hook to be used. The nickname "Cat's Eyes" is used six times in the article, yet it is never given an inline source citation. DYK's requirement is strict: the citation must be placed no later than the end of the sentence in which the fact is used. (In fact, the only use of "Cat's Eyes" in the article's body is as a header, not in the actual text.) You can always propose another hook that is cited, or nominator Calvin999 could do so as well. BlueMoonset (talk) 18:07, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
Telegraph obit, feel free to add or propose another hook. Fuebaey (talk) 21:21, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

Thank you, @Fuebaey: that's a good ref, and I added it to the article. But it does not source the hook. @Dapi89: all we need to know is whether Golly or Ramsey is sourcing the line in the lead: During the war he was nicknamed "Cat's Eyes" by the British Press to explain his successes and to avoid communicating the existence of airborne radar to the enemy. Then we're ready for the main page. Yoninah (talk) 12:11, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

For the last time,yes: citations have already been given and exist at the end of the paragraph. Journalist source is insulting and not acceptable. I've removed it. Dapi89 (talk) 12:52, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

I can accept that; journalist sources tend not to be expert ones and can sometimes include copy errors. What Yonniah and others here are trying to say is, for the purpose of DYK, the hook fact itself needs its own inline citation so that a reviewer can easily check that it comes from another source, and avoid the situation where a hook may be unintentionally inaccurate. Some people find this redundant, but it is deliberately stricter than say WP:V because the hook, not the article, is the first thing a reader sees from the Main Page. From the article, it looks like the fact comes from the second paragraph under 'Propaganda' - sourced by either Golley (1999) or Ramsey (1988). Since my local library does not retain copies of either book, would it be possible for you to cite the particular reference so we can pass this in good faith? Fuebaey (talk) 15:54, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

It's been over two weeks, and Dapi89 doesn't seem to be interested in doing the inline source citation needed per the DYK rule Yoninah quoted above, insisting that the end of the paragraph is sufficient, though it is not for DYK. If either Dapi89 or nominator Calvin999 care to propose a different hook or do the necessary inline citation before this nomination is closed, then the nomination can continue; otherwise, it will close as unsuccessful. Thank you for your attention. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:30, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

I'll do this today. — ₳aron 07:55, 29 April 2015 (UTC)