User talk:Butlerblog/Archives/2024/March

White flag

Butlerblog, I think it's time each of us throws down a white flag, simultaneously. We're both smart, good with prose, and edit constructively. My beef with you has been your continued lecturing and condescending tone. If you stop acting like that, stop treating me as if I'm a clueless child who needs to be led around and shown how to behave in order to fit in, then we will be fine. Even if an administrator or two doesn't think you're acting toward me in that manner, the fact remains that I DO. And I don't like it. If you start treating me like an equal, as an adult with more than a few good brain cells, then I won't be as prickly with you. Face it, no one likes to be talked down to. And from my perspective, you've done it repeatedly with me on several occasions. It looks and feels to me as if you are trying to find reasons to trigger me. I'm not triggered, but I am tired of you schooling me, telling me I don't get Wikipedia culture, and trying to get me to do things the way you prefer rather than working to build consensus when consensus and compromise would be much easier. I know I've been trying to learn MOS for TV shows (it's why I've asked about MOS more than once on talk pages) because I realize that's a big deal for you. Even my last big edit at the Chosen cast list, in the edit summary, was worded in such a way to indicate that I'm trying to do it right and not go against MOS ("according to credits in the season episodes this listing seems more correct"). I don't care if you disagree with me on edits because I'm just as interested in getting the articles right as you are. What I do care about is if you are talking down to me once more. I guess that I've had my fill of it and see it as not just unwarranted but also outside the spirit of why I want to edit in Wikipedia. You like old fashioned, feel good TV shows, from what I can tell. I like them, too. We probably like them for the same reason: because it's a picture of a better time when people were generally nicer to everyone and folks were happy on a regular basis. I'd like to be happy on a regular basis when I come here to work on articles. To be honest, you have not made it that easy to feel that way with your short, curt, and needlessly blunt comments that ARE condescending in tone. I doubt you want to feel anything but enjoyment when you are working on articles in Wikipedia, too. But when you talk to me the way you do, I'm not going to just let it pass by. It doesn't have to be this way between us. I'm happy to work happy with you. But you have to be part of that happy exchange, too. If that's what you want (and I think you probably do). A4M2 Alaska4Me2 (talk) 02:03, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

@Alaska4Me2: I'm going to keep this short, but noting that you feel my short, curt, and needlessly blunt comments that ARE condescending in tone, please consider that brevity does not imply incivility. Just because an answer is short, it should not be construed as curt or even rude. Rudeness in this type of discourse is an assumption, and only you can change that with how you interpret responses.

I counted at least eight times in the paragraph above where you put this on me as lecturing, condescending, treating you as clueless, etc. Every one of those is a faith assumption on your part. I have already stated explicitly in more than one conversation that my comments are not intended to condescend or lecture, and so there is no path forward here that does not involve a significant change in your faith assumptions and how you interpret what is said, not just with me, but with other editors[1] and Wikipedia itself[2]. ButlerBlog (talk) 13:40, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

I guess this means you think you have no need to drop a white flag? A4M2 Alaska4Me2 (talk) 13:52, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

If that means stopping all the things you've accused me of above, I believe I just explained that those are assumptions on your part, not intent on my part. So I'm not sure I see where a white flag comes in. I don't view Wikipedia as a battleground. ButlerBlog (talk) 14:05, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

"If that means stopping all the things you've accused me of above, I believe I just explained that those are assumptions on your part, not intent on my part." They aren't accusations, they are observations based on me understanding the English language, syntax, and written context, very well. You may have "explained" what what I've observed isn't what I think it is, with what I'm observing being the result of having excellent reading comprehension skills and far above average cognitive reasoning skills in regard to what I read, but that doesn't change what I'm seeing. If you want to claim malintent isn't imbedded into what I'm observing, that's fine, and I can accept it wasn't your intent to sound the way you word the things you type out. But to tell me I'm seeing something different than what's there is dismissing my own observations, and that's not okay. My opinion on how your comments look to me and make me feel is just as valid as anyone's.

I'll continue to drop the white flag, whether you think you need to or not. But moving forward, I will expect to see a change in how you treat me, how you talk to me, how you dismiss me and what I think as well as feel when I read your communications to me. I will expect that because I see you communicating in a very, very different way to others. Without a condescending tone, without continually schooling them and lecturing on what's right and what's not, without cutting them down and being rude as well as needlessly curt. All I'm asking for is some respect based on me being just another human being but also a human being with a very good eye, a very good brain, and the ability to write well, improving what's here that isn't in good shape. Maybe you just don't like me, but that's not important. It's important that I get the same written communication style and human-to-human respect from you that people like Doug get. Or anyone else you don't disagree with. White flag dropped on my side of the line. Can we now move on to upward as well as better? A4M2 Alaska4Me2 (talk) 19:00, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Changing of date format

Hello, this edit replaced the film date template with start date, but it also removed the df=y flag, so now the date is incorrectly displayed in MDY format - X201 (talk) 22:17, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know! The |df=y is definitely an error. I'll look at the bot log to see what regex did that, and if there might have been others. ButlerBlog (talk) 22:34, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

@X201: I was able to locate the bad regex in the bot and correct that. I was also able to locate the articles that incorrection removed df=y and get those corrected. ButlerBlog (talk) 00:39, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Great. Thanks. - X201 (talk) 08:34, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

February 2024 WikiProject Unreferenced articles backlog drive – award

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		This award is given in recognition to Butlerblog/Archives/2024 for collecting more than 25 points during the WikiProject Unreferenced articles's FEB24 backlog drive. Your contributions played a crucial role in sourcing 14,300 unsourced articles during the drive. Thank you so much for participating and helping to reduce the backlog! – – DreamRimmer (talk) 18:31, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Broken bot edit

Thanks for including a link to your talk page in the edit summary. I don't know what happened in that edit. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:38, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

@Jonesey95 Thanks for catching this and letting me know about it. I'm not sure what went wrong there, either, but I'll definitely dig into it. It looks like the trailing bracket got left off. I was able to fix it on the page, but I'll need to track it down in the bot log to find out where the edit went wrong. ButlerBlog (talk) 15:38, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

@Jonesey95: BTW... I was just re-looking at it and noticed my edit summary which could easily be misinterpreted. I was actually saying that I was going to revert with the fix so you would notice the change, but instead figured it was better for me just to change it as a new edit instead. That might have come across wrong. ButlerBlog (talk) 15:43, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Yes, that was amusingly ambiguous. I got your meaning though. I often fix other editors' errant edits instead of reverting, but when the edit is made with AWB, by a bot, or both, I like to revert at least one of them to notify the editor that something might be wrong with their code. All is good. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:37, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Investigations into ban evasion posted on noticeboard

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding the possible ban evasion of Taeisawesome21 with another IP. Thank you. Therealteal (talk) 04:46, 15 March 2024 (UTC)