User talk:MONGO/Archive34

Happy New Year MONGO!

	Happy New Year!
	Hello MONGO: Thanks for all of your contributions to improve the encyclopedia for Wikipedia's readers, and have a happy and enjoyable New Year! Cheers, BusterD (talk) 06:52, 1 January 2014 (UTC) Send New Year cheer by adding {{subst:Happy New Year 2014}} to user talk pages with a friendly message.

Midwinter fireworks up north

Happy new Year, Bigfoot! Bishonen | talk

Cool picture! MONGO like fireworks...and these from just the other evening. Interesting time lapse deal too....thank you!--MONGO 14:57, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

your request for translation

"That man is less and less coherent as time progresses...I can't for the life of me understand anything about his latest rambling..." --MONGO 16:47, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Hail oh MONGO. *I* understand rambleze. <looks proud> If you were talking about the Great Jumbo, that is to say. Maybe the journalism-of-the-future stuff? Link?

  p.s. Actually, maybe you meant bishzilla when you said "his" ... not really sure zillas are gendered into just his-n-hers... and if so what exactly... uhhh nevermind. I don't translate roarrRRRRReze, so if that was who you meant to call monotonically-increasingly-incoherent, I stand aside. Can't watch....  ;-)   — 74.192.84.101 (talk) 20:28, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

Mr Wales might mean well, but he's so distanced himself from the central issues that his proclamations don't make any sense. MONGO do best with short and to the point.--MONGO 14:36, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

MONGO, you got link to procklahmayshun? You give. I make short. With hatchet very pointy. Great Jumbo mean well always. Me know. Is called Soom Good Faith. p.s. What central issues? You mean like m:Special:CentralNotice or you mean deep thoughts like grand canyon? Danke. 74.192.84.101 (talk) 03:38, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

Hum...JUMBO not able to stand in shadow of MONGO...everybloody knows dat!!!!--MONGO 20:02, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

When animals edit articles on other animals can they be trusted to be neutral????

Well...this edit looks fine but it could be that a Sandhillcrane might not like Polar bears at all...we have to think like a Sandhill Crane to see what they were thinking when they made that edit...--MONGO 16:12, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Congratulations!

		The WikiProject Barnstar
		I am delighted to present you with this WikiProject Barnstar in recognition of your extensive contributions to the Military history WikiProject, as evidenced by your being nominated for the 2013 "Military historian of the Year" award. We're grateful for your help and look forward to seeing more of your excellent work in the coming year. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 23:13, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

I wish I had known that there had been such a thing as Mike Cline deserves the credit a heck of a lot more than I do. Thank you.--MONGO 02:19, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Austrian economics opened

You recently offered a statement in a request for arbitration. The Arbitration Committee has accepted that request for arbitration and an arbitration case has been opened at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Austrian economics. Evidence that you wish the arbitrators to consider should be added to the evidence subpage, at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Austrian economics/Evidence. Please add your evidence by February 8, 2014, which is when the evidence phase closes. You can also contribute to the case workshop subpage, Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Austrian economics/Workshop. For a guide to the arbitration process, see Wikipedia:Arbitration/Guide to arbitration. For the Arbitration Committee, Ks0stm ^{(T•C•G•E)} 01:49, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Peer review of Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution

I heard somewhere that you were offering to help fastrack a peer review of an article that might be ready to make the transition from GA to FA. We put in for a peer review on 4th amendment a while back, but no word so far.

If you have the time and the interest, would you take a look at it? I mostly work on getting articles from non-existant to stubs, so I'm not up on FA criteria. Your help most appreciated. --HectorMoffet (talk) 10:42, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

I might be able to do some minor stuff if it goes to FAC.--MONGO 16:03, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

I've now submitted it to FAC. --HectorMoffet (talk) 13:05, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

A hand-typed thank you

Hi MONGO, thank you for your support for me on my RfB, but thank you more so for the kind words and trust you showed here. I'm glad that I never let you (or anyone else, it seems) down when you supported my second RfA and I hope to do the same as a bureaucrat. Thank you. :) Acalamari 10:00, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Was my pleasure to support.--MONGO 14:52, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

"Vandalism"

Reverting an edit that is a textbook violation of WP:CITECONSENSUS is not "vandalism". Good day.—indopug (talk) 12:20, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

There is nothing textbook about it...he converted the page to templated cites, you reverted it, I reverted you then you reverted me for some stupid reason...looks like consensus is against you. Though not mandatory, the article has a much better chance of becoming featured if it uses a more organized citation style so I have no idea what your reverts could be except vandalism.--MONGO 14:22, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

I am not seeing any wiki-kittens on your talk page, let me rectify that. More seriously, thank you for your recent Wildlife Refuge-related edits, nice job. Cheers!

_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 13:33, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

Thank you very much....kittens always welcome here!--MONGO 14:55, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

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There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_adminship.2FPiotrus_3.E2.80.8E_edit_warring. Thank you. A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 18:49, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Some baklava for you!

I am fresh out of wiki kittens; please accept this cake as a thank you for your support and thoughtful comments during my (now withdrawn) RfA. Also, another thank you for recognizing certain harassment for what it was. What doesn't kill us... Cheers, Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:30, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

Support

Just noticed this renewal of our vows, lol. Thank'ee, Bigfoot! Everybody should support so many times! darwinbish ^BITE ☠ 21:01, 18 February 2014 (UTC).

Some critters are exempt from that silly 7-day stuff.--MONGO 12:21, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! A gift from fellow Wikipedians.

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Cutthroat trout peer review

Mongo: go for it: Wikipedia:Peer review/Cutthroat trout/archive1 --Mike Cline (talk) 22:37, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

Sure but will likely be at least two days before I can look it all over.--MONGO 12:17, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Re recent change from "lumped" to "combined". In taxonomy there are two schools--the lumpers and the splitters. But your change is OK. --Mike Cline (talk) 17:54, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

We can switch it back....MONGO just kind of going back and forth on the article trying to find best wording...--MONGO 18:22, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

User: Beingsshepherd

Hello Mongo, You may be interested to read the above "users" comments on my Talk page. Best regards, David J Johnson (talk) 22:56, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

"Rouge nations?" Is that when Kim Jong Il was wearing too much makeup? Acroterion (talk) 01:40, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Yes, and hopping around in his jumpsuits etc.--MONGO 01:42, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Reknowned

Please read other peoples edit summaries, and stop re-introducing the same spelling mistake at Mount Hooker (Wyoming)

There is no such word as reknowned, and ssuming you mean "renowned", that is considered a "peacock" term, the use of which is deprecated in WP:PEA. - Arjayay (talk) 15:02, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Hey...thanks for bringing that to my attention...the guy is a renowned rock climber whether you like it or not and it doesn't need a cite saying just that as common sense and the article we have on the climber make it fucking obvious....just as the article on Hooker make it clear he was prominent...hugs and kisses.--MONGO 15:17, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

FAC Nomination Cutthroat trout

Mongo, just put the cutthroat up for FAC. --Mike Cline (talk) 18:21, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Cool beans! I'll bookmark it....--MONGO 18:32, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Tadeusz Kościuszko nominated for FA

This is a general notice to previous reviewers: The Tadeusz Kościuszko article has again been nominated for FA. Opinions are needed at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Tadeusz Kościuszko/archive2. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 01:36, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

2014 Oso mudslide

--The Rambling Man (talk) 07:16, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

Notification

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. -- Winkelvi ● ✉ ✓ 23:30, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

Whack! You've been whacked with a wet trout. Don't take this too seriously. Someone just wants to let you know you did something silly.

You guys just had conflicting sources, technically both of you were right. I know it is easy to get pumped up when you are busy improving an article (and by all means, I think it is great to improve the article), however, you probably can dial back the abrasiveness just a notch when doing so. You know this stuff better than I do, so I will spare you the boring monologue. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 00:32, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks for taking it in stride. Please understand that the trout isn't a warning, it is just saying "Come on, you know you aren't supposed to tell fellow editors to fuck off". I'm not one to get dramatic or draconian when dealing with civility complaints, boys will be boys, but I felt obligated to say something. You know the drill, which is why I don't labor it and try to keep it light. I explained in greater detail on his page, as he is newer. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 01:23, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

MONGO: Apology accepted. Can we move forward from here in a better way? -- Winkelvi ● ✉ ✓ 01:42, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Of course...I moved on after the admin plopped that warning template on my page...I just log off when it gets hot. Also, I didn't move the page to get a credit for such a sad affair, but was just going by consensus that the material needed a stand alone article...had no idea when I did this that it would then be an In The News piece linked off the main page. Anyway, I had one argument about how many were missing, then saw another one editor insulting your and.my work in edit summaries...then watched an odd page move which the guy switched back..so by the time I restarted editing, my patience was already thin...and here we are.--MONGO 01:51, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

I get it. Let's try to work on it all together as we have time to do so, okay? -- Winkelvi ● ✉ ✓ 01:59, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Of course...so long as we acknowledge that I am never wrong...that's a joke...ha. But actually, as far as that article goes, so I may not do a lot more on it until the full story is known. I tend to get frustrated if I work in very active articles and cooler heads do better. My forte is obscure geographical points and featured article development and reviews. Also...TParis is one of our best admins...Dennis Brown and Jehochman are as well but all Dennis does is cook on his grill all day....least that's what I hear.--MONGO 02:13, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

I think we'll have to agree to disagree on some of that. Nevertheless, take care and see you 'round the Wiki. -- Winkelvi ● ✉ ✓ 02:16, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

24 confirmed dead...second worst loss of life from a landslide in U.S. history....just saw it on the Tele.--MONGO 01:56, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

I saw that, too. Heartbreaking, really. -- Winkelvi ● ✉ ✓ 01:59, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

• Hey sorry I missed the discussion at ANI. I just noticed it this morning. I feel a but sheepish about not being able to chime in with some support for you on that thread, especially after your support of me during that latest reactionary debacle. All seemed to work out however. Keep up the good work. JOJ ^Hutton 15:21, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

• Lol....some fun is worth missing! Just a reminder to me to avoid current event issues on the scale I was involved. I'm not a huge fan of news sources anyway since they fluctuate too much which in turn makes article stability a serious problem.--MONGO 15:27, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

extra tank, extra lunatics,

Please to be trying this much less obsolete MBT as built by poor oppressed Ukrainian peoples, and populate it equally with lunatics! --Demiurge1000 (talk) 22:57, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Even newer version as currently used in very small numbers by recently heroic armed forces of Ukraine --Demiurge1000 (talk) 22:57, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

MONGO approve of tanks...need more than 10 though if war planned for invasion by Ukranians onto soil of mother Russia has chance of success...even if manned by lunatics such as dreaded MONGO!--MONGO 00:25, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

File:T-42 super-heavy tank.jpg

You call that a tank! Now this is a tank. No fancy vetronics or reactive armor, just plain good old fashioned Soviet steel! A tank for real warriors, Comrades! 83.70.248.86 (talk) 22:50, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

MONGO like! No reason to pussy-foot around! Nothing passive-aggressive about that monster...that's pure testosterone.--MONGO 01:04, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Hahaha! Lunatics lunatics everywhere!!!!

Lunatics everywhere! Even near where I live here near Omaha, Nebraska! In fact, we have some of the worlds best lunatics...so nuts they even make the international news!--MONGO 16:45, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

Awesome, truly awesome! Tom Harrison ^Talk 22:50, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

Apparently he now is going to have to come up with 50K, which is ten percent of his half-a-million dollar bail...sometimes the comments after the story add to the pricelessness...[1]--MONGO 00:06, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

I see the brainless culprit was called Mongonga or something. How ironic. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:19, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

He's a cousin! Mganga Mganga....it ranslates to Witch Doctor Witch Doctor...same first and last names aren't too uncommon....see Sirhan Sirhan.--MONGO 13:33, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Yes, just like that Yoko Ono and Denis, Denis. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:42, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

And Jimbo Wales, Jimbo Wales!!!!--MONGO 14:32, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

"Gwlad, gwlad"!!!!, surely? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:15, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Aye, James James!!! Mae'r golygydd isod yn trolio--MONGO 22:05, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Ond dyna lle trolls yn perthyn, wrth gwrs! Martinevans123 (talk) 22:19, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Ddim yn siŵr pa fath o trolio ef fod, efallai ogof-trolio? Efallai y trolls un diwrnod rheol y byd ...--MONGO 22:35, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Oh! What's occurrin'? What UK's really like. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:47, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Arg! Dim titties is drivin dim dar mericans nuts! Lol!--MONGO 23:01, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Shucks, darned inspirin', ain't it. (He's a funny and very talented guy). Martinevans123 (talk) 17:45, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

You may also find this educative, my good man: [2] Martinevans123 (talk) 20:52, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

That is funny.--MONGO 01:23, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Salmon

Steelhead are both. And don't forget, we don't use Wikipedia as a reference. [3]. Have a good day. -- Winkelvi ● ✉ ✓ 11:34, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

You need to read the article....it's a featured article...just became one. We DO use out own policies and guidelines to help us maintain our articles.--MONGO 11:40, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

You need to learn ichthology. It's a salmon in coastal rivers, but go ahead and live with the delusion. Did you even look at the WFW link? Obviously they don't know what (think) you know. Have a nice day. -- Winkelvi ● ✉ ✓ 12:11, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Apparently, the National Wildlife Federation hasn't read the Rainbow Trout Wikipedia FA article, either. They better do it soon so they can get up to speed![4] -- Winkelvi ● ✉ ✓ 13:07, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Take it to the article talk page. While Salmon and Trout are closely related, they are not the same thing.--MONGO 13:45, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

This edit summary is hilarious...and above you tell me to learn about ichthology? Stay off my page with your bullshit.--MONGO 14:10, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Hey also....from your link to the National Wildlife Federation webpage above...."unlike a salmon, which dies after spawning, steelhead trout can spawn, return to the ocean, and migrate back upstream to spawn several times."..... --MONGO 14:26, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Meh...above is from the deadly 2014 Oso mudslide article...which happened in the Steelhead neighborhood near Oso, Washington...so the sources say. Sources then say that the neighborhood is named for the Steelhead, a type of fish which used to be common in the river there. Steelhead is a name for an ocean going group of Rainbow trout...and the unknowing may incorrectly confuse some species of Salmon and Rainbow trout and call them both Steelhead as there are similar looking subspecies of ocean going Salmon and Rainbow trout that have silvery or steel colored heads...but the correct species that is a Steelhead is the Rainbow trout. It is not impossible that those that named the neighborhood area meant Salmon, but we don't know that, and since Steelhead is a Rainbow trout and not a species of Salmon, then we don't violate piping on [[Rainbow trout|salmon]] like that...because a salmon and a Rainbow trout are not the same thing. Trout and Salmon are similar and are members of the Family Salmonidae, but they aren't in the same genus even.--MONGO 22:25, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

In an emergency, this user may be slapped with a salmon.

Hahaha! Or forced to cut down the mightiest tree in the forest with a herring!--MONGO 18:38, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

YouTube as a RS

It is possible for YouTube to be a WP:RS, it's just extremely unlikely. The main thing to take into account is the provenance and the channel publishing it. In this case, the Zeitgeist video is published by a channel named "subversiveoptimism" which has no indication of being any kind of official or approved account. In fact, TZM has an official channel named TZMOfficialChannel, so if the video were found there, it would possibly be acceptable as a WP:SPS by TZM. But it's not, and so you're right in this case, the video is not a WP:RS. Thanks. Elizium23 (talk) 00:11, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

I believe that for use as a reference, YouTube is not considered reliable by Wikipedia.--MONGO 10:49, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Interested in another FAC review?

Looking for some solid reviewers to pop by on the FAC for Mucho Macho Man. Would you be interested? Not a fish, but rather a racehorse who runs with the big fish, so to speak - and to mix metaphors - horribly! I need a few more people to look it over and review. Be nice if I could get it finished this month. Montanabw^(talk) 16:15, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Will surely be glad to assist there, but might be a few days due to my home computer is now likely dead!--MONGO 16:24, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

That surely sucks! Hope things get back up and running soon! Montanabw^(talk) 00:36, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

I'll be taking a look over the next few days. I'm able to usr my portable device to perform some copyediting and suggestions as I did yesterday on the Cutthroat trout FAC.--MONGO 10:46, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Given the limits of tech, I am fine if you point out a problem on the FAC page for me to fix, I've been chasing down other people's tweaks for a couple weeks now... just would be glad to get your support if possble! Montanabw^(talk) 00:46, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

It looks very good right now...I'll read it over one more time tomorrow and not do any editing especially with any bots! I don't see any reason to not support except that I am methodical and usually wait a few days before I do so after I start a review. My ex trained quarter horses but I don't know much about them myself...odd.--MONGO 01:12, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

I appreciate a methodical review, makes the article more likely to be blessed by the FAC gods who promote! LOL! Ah horses... if you think of them as mentally like 1000 pound cats except that they are eating (and pooping) machines who are quite accident-prone, you will be on the right track, ;-) I gotta love 'em! My own breed of choice is the Arabian, but I get a kick out of these race horse "biographies" because the people involved almost always have a great back story. Montanabw^(talk) 21:16, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

She trained AQHA registered quarter horses...she had some early involvement with a horse named Zips Chocolate Chip, but didn't do much as far as the heavy training or showing except as an assistant. That horse apparently was a major player in the western pleasure class. I did a little riding in the Yellowstone region but most of the time I was stuck driving a police cruiser or fighting forest fires.--MONGO 02:11, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Oh yeah, Zip's Chocolate Chip is a horse I've heard of, and I don't follow AQHA particularly closely! video How long ago did you live/work in/near Yellowstone? Montanabw^(talk) 03:32, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

I worked at Glacier, Grand Teton Yellowstone and two eastern parks from 1982 to 1996. I was born in Missoula.--MONGO 05:18, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

AHA! Another expat! You folks are everywhere!  :-) Montanabw^(talk) 08:07, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

I mostly remember Montana from adult life having left there as a child long ago.--MONGO 13:56, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Mentally Ill

Mongo are you one of the ill fan-stalkers of Kellogg, you've been following me around where ever I post. Obsessive. Get help. I'll proceed with having someone here look into your conduct. Sociopath as you seem to enjoy following me around. Good luck seeking help Everestrecords (talk) 05:57, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

You do that.--MONGO 06:09, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Why remove helpful "Get help monster" post? Get help and cakes here, little monster! bishzilla _ROARR!! 16:12, 11 April 2014 (UTC).

I think I'll do just that....might need to create a monster corner for me!--MONGO 16:37, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

("You're a sick person. Stalking me, obsessed with Kellogg, even removing a national magazine source that revealed his use of steroids for Everest attempt. Internet sociopath. Get help monster. Seeking you to be banned, persistent vandal sociopath. Climbing forum obsesser also. Spend hours a day on forums. Autism/Aspergers?")...from my new buddy.

Hi Mongo, I created the Kellogg page yesterday. Just wanted to stop by and thank you for your edits. :) 97198 (talk) 15:44, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Not a problem....just now noticed you posted it for the DYK for the main page... I'll add it to my watch list.--MONGO 16:39, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

• I have now looked into MONGO's conduct as requested by the OP, and have concluded it is eminently lunatic. Will be reporting to WP:ANL momentarily. Incidentally, is Mentally III the grandson of Mentally II ? --Demiurge1000 (talk) 17:17, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

  [www.youtube.com/watch?v=idsxgLjGXGI‎ it's a madhouse!!!!]--MONGO 18:12, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Looks like your 1 day remission is now a week. Sounds like your 'roid rage is finally under control. Congrats! --DHeyward (talk) 03:50, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

One week will be nice. That article is also up at DYK nominations so I hope it gets mainpaged before that guy returns to try and mess with it.--MONGO 14:18, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

Re: Collapse of the World Trade Center article

I explained where my notes are. None of you have replied to any of my points. I question how much consensus building can occur with people who don't seem to understand the material and who won't bother to do the research. The article Talk page already acknowledges this is a topic for which much is in dispute. If you haven't read the NIST reports yourself, or done the research, you should step aside. There is much more to be changed in this article. Just undoing what others have done without checking the facts yourself is doing no one a service. You need to co-operate on this. --Jasne9 (talk) 17:45, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Please see new note on article talk page. --Jasne9 (talk) 18:05, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

And that is where content discussions should be.--MONGO 18:09, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Accidental

Sincere apologies for an accidental rollback on your talk page due to fat finger syndrome. -- Winkelvi ● ✉ ✓ 19:03, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

No problem....hugs and kisses!--MONGO 19:06, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Administrator's Notice Board

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.

For your expansion of North Cascades National Park

	The Geography Barnstar
	Thanks for adding the human history section: the article is much better now! —hike395 (talk) 18:30, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Thank you hike395! The plan is to get the article to look more like Grand Teton National Park and become featured.--MONGO 19:51, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Question About Goethean

You referred to POV-pushing and September 11 conspiracy theories by Goethean and said that he has been topic-banned. Has he been topic-banned from September 11? I am aware that he has been topic-banned from the Tea Party Movement. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:40, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

No...he is not topic banned from 9/11 articles...I'll look again and make sure that was clear.--MONGO 17:44, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

ANI discussion

Hi! There's an ongoing discussion on ANI. I'd be happy if you express your opinions. Thanks. Shallowmead077 (talk) 14:48, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Heh!

Thanks :-)

In return, you may find this useful on occasion: File:Oh no, not this shit again.jpg Guy (Help!) 18:37, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Outstanding...that is MONGO approved as well!--MONGO 18:42, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

The tribe of Bishapod

Hello from all the poddies!

The pallid sturgeons really do look remarkably like Bishapod, don't they? Bishonen | talk 21:48, 17 May 2014 (UTC).

How dare stupid editors call these handsome fish ugly?? Have removed unwarranted slur![5] bishapod talk to your inner fish 21:50, 17 May 2014 (UTC).

Bishapod is correct...very unfair to call this fish "ugly"...that is a rather subjective assessment anyway, probably made by some crazy humans with a poor understanding of what is and what is NOT ugly! Hum...though a wee bit sidetracked with another article at present, little Pallabish sturgeon critter fishy article is a bit overdue for an update. Much is spent trying to save Pallabish from extinction...and that needs to be added to the article, nasty humans and their dams and fish hooks and all. Article of paramount importance...last species on earth that saw Godzilla when he was but a wee lad (toddler), and prior to city-eating adolescent stage.--MONGO 21:59, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

Speaking of efforts to preserve the species from extinction, surely it's a bit unfortunate to emphasize in a widely read encyclopedia that it's good to eat? And even, rather horribly, to suggest that catching it is a "rewarding experience"! :-( (That also comes from a couple of sentences in the lead which are not found in the article.) Yes, yes, many people enjoy killing wildlife as we know, but it needn't be encouraged, need it? "Oh, look, it's the last of the dodos, hand me my gun, Jeeves!" Bishonen | talk 22:19, 17 May 2014 (UTC).

Indeed, the article is written from the perspective of the callous humanoid....Eight wild boars roasted whole at breakfast but twelve persons there. Soon, efforts to rectify these oversights and ill considerations will commence, perhaps in a fortnight..Unquiet meals make ill digestions. lol!--MONGO 22:43, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

Removal of comment at RFP

I'd like to remove my comment at the requests for permission, but if I do that, then juxtaposition will signify an uncivil mention of the editor at hand because my comment is needed for context. If you were to edit your comment to signify this, I'd remove mine. Thanks. (It's currently just strucked out.) Tutelary (talk) 16:10, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

Sorry about that! I wasn't trying to address you, but my indent seemed to show I was. I made the proper indentation to reflect my intended audience, which is any reviewing admin.--MONGO 16:21, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

Penguins are people too

Yes penguins are people too, and are also hazardous to fish! Nevertheless, I am (courageously) a member of WikiProject Antarctica Highways, dedicated especially to mapping penguin paths! Proud member n:o 61! Little MONGO — no, sorry, on my scale, that's of course HUGE MONGO! — perhaps consider joining fine project? With MONGO admirable editing re glaciers, this, the biggest glacier in the world, is perhaps worthy of attention also? With respect, darwin^fish 16:03, 27 May 2014 (UTC).

The Antarcticans do eat plenty of fish, but you my dear Darwinfish, being a true Ichthyosaur, I imagine you are safe. MONGO may join the project you mention....May ask for permission from cousin, the Bumble first.--MONGO 16:37, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Kronan-thanks

Thank you for commenting Kronan FAC. I really appreciate all the helpful pointers.

Peter ^Isotalo 16:37, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

My pleasure.--MONGO 17:11, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

Just a thought

Jarlaxle has been active recently. Bishonen | talk 08:30, 15 June 2014 (UTC).

He was just saying thank you to me for reverting his vandalism.--MONGO 14:23, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

How a legal threat?

MONGO, you normally do excellent work on Wikipedia, so I am confused by your recent deletion, saying there was an alluded "legal threat". I didn't see or intend any legal threat, so could you clarify, please? - 2001:558:1400:10:DC33:3186:3BC3:3AEF (talk) 15:48, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Thank you I think.--MONGO 16:13, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Well, since you were unable (or unwilling) to clarify, I'm going to restore the section to Jimbo Wales' Talk page. If you undo it again, you should provide a more coherent explanation for the deletion. Happy editing! - 2001:558:1400:10:DC33:3186:3BC3:3AEF (talk) 17:07, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

I'll revert it as harassment. Hugs and kisses.--MONGO 17:18, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you!

Your collection of created articles is very impressive. I'll have to show my son your animations on your talk page - he would like those! Keep up the good work. Daniellagreen (talk) 17:40, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Thank you very much....I do what I can. The animations are actually on loan from one of the goddesses of Wikipedia-land.--MONGO 21:43, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Precious again

refuges of natural wildlife
Thank you for taking us on hiking trails to wildernesses areas, such as Grand Teton National Park, to countless forests, lakes and glaciers, with a sense for the relation of people(s) to nature, - repeating: you are an awesome Wikipedian (26 September 2010)!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:20, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Two years ago, you were the 166th recipient of my PumpkinSky Prize, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:50, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

The Zeitgeist Movement

Would you please comment on the talk page to explain what you felt was wrong with my edit and perhaps suggest ways you think it could be improved?--The Devil's Advocate _{tlk. cntrb.} 05:21, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Raynolds GAN

Mongo, I suspect I am too involved in the Raynolds article to do the GAN with good conscience. I'll continue to help tweak it. However, I'd like to suggest that you propose to Powder River 1876 that he, she, they, it, whatever conduct the GAN. PR 1876 is a relatively inexperienced editor that I believe is showing some potential, especially on US military topics in the 19th century. I've been mentoring informally. I have no clue as to how PR 1876 might react to the request, but if couched in language that says reviewing an GAN is an excellent way to learn a lot about WP content and style guidelines, they might bite and I'll be there to help the process along. What do you think? Can we bring a newbie into the fold? --Mike Cline (talk) 19:42, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

I'd generally prefer an experienced GA or FA writer/reviewer to do the review....but I don't have a problem with them doing it so long as they can examine the GA criteria and apply it...that would means that they could review but shouldn't really edit the article itself.--MONGO 20:22, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Your call on the invite. Article shouldn't have any problem going throught GA in its current condition. I'll be there to help. --Mike Cline (talk) 20:51, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

I want to expand it slightly....the article on the expedition itself needs massive expansion but it's not going to GAN. I'll ask the fellow if he's interested today or tomorrow.--MONGO 20:57, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Mike...I'm probably going to pass as to now on any invite to this guy....unless he starts talking about his edits I'm more likely to just undue his work at this point. He doesn't appear to have made any talk page edits.--MONGO 23:25, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Re Bear Mountain

Mongo, I'm slowly learning here. I hope this is the correct way to start a conversation on here! For the Bear Mountain info you undid, what is the correct way to reference that? a copy of the marriage license?

Thanks! Phisig32 (talk) 21:10, 15 July 2014 (UTC) Phisig32

No offense but even with that it's isn't a significant event in the scheme of things.--MONGO 01:48, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

Lunatic free zone!

This user resists the POV pushing of lunatic charlatans.

Request for help

Hey MONGO, you're the most active and experienced editor I've come across in my short time on wikipedia, so I am asking you for help on an issue. I hope it is not too much trouble. Basically, I added a couple references to the Bowyer–Watson_algorithm page - the problem is that they do not list with the other references at the bottom but show up separately. What is the best way to go about fixing this? Thanks for any help! Smitty121981 (talk) 16:38, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi Smitty! I added the {{reflist}} template to the references section as shown here so your new inline refs would show up better. The other three references are not cited in line with ref parameters. Hope that helps!--MONGO 17:29, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

thanks MONGO! Just what I needed Smitty121981 (talk) 17:43, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Hey MONGO, I hope we can resolve our differences on the September 11 Attack talk page. Just reminding you of this advice I sought from you a week or two back (on a non-9/11 related article). It was good advice and I appreciated it. Smitty121981 (talk) 20:58, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

I'm always happy to help with things as above but now that you've been once again (as you were in 2011) reminded that you could be subject to discretionary sanctions regarding your disruption in 9/11 articles, the hope is you will return to non disruptive editing.--MONGO 23:13, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Warning

[6] That editor is doing exactly what he's supposed to do; he's calmly and reasonably discussing content changes on the article talk page. In response, you shut down the discussion and threatened the editor. That's exactly the opposite of what is supposed to take place on an article talk page and you know it. I'm formally asking you to stop. Cla68 (talk) 22:32, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Hey MONGO, don't take the bait. — ArtifexMayhem (talk) 23:08, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Cla68 is just jealous is all.--MONGO 23:19, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Comment

It might be a better idea to just ignore him. He hasn't brought anything new to the table and he's not convincing anyone. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 18:42, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Parking spot

List of bridges on the National Register of Historic Places in Nebraska

Um, excuse me?

That edit summary was a bit harsh. All I did was add a few sources to back up some uncited material. Could you please try to be nicer?--The Devil's Advocate _{tlk. cntrb.} 21:45, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

How many battles shall yea wage at once?--MONGO 21:56, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

great image

		The Photographer's Barnstar
		Your image of the bull elk is fabulous!! rogerd (talk) 01:26, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

• Thank you very much kind sir! That critter was about five feet tall at th shoulder and maybe another three feet to the top of his antlers. From the front the antlers were close to six feet across! I don't think I have ever gotten a photographer's barnstar before...many thanks and good to seen you around these parts!--MONGO 01:53, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of William F. Raynolds

The article William F. Raynolds you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:William F. Raynolds for things which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Nikkimaria -- Nikkimaria (talk) 23:21, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

September 11 Attacks RfC

hi MONGO, not trying to bother you, but you said "Oppose as written" so I am just coming here to let you know that I revised the proposed wording on the RfC to something which I hope is much more neutrally worded, in case you'd like to take another look. Thanks. Smitty121981 (talk) 17:58, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

Allow me to be brutally honest. I oppose your ongoing efforts to minimize facts with your POV pushing of fantasies about the events of 9/11. I do not now nor will I ever support further discussion about these fantasies on an article dedicated to the known evidence...the reason we have articles about the conspiracy theories is so they can be discussed there in accordance with SCOPE and FOCUS. I think you should be topic banned from 9/11 related articles. As I already stated...you are in essence a Single Purpose Account and the textbook example of a Civil POV pusher.--MONGO 18:09, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

ANI and ArbCom would certainly be options under those circumstances.John Carter (talk) 18:53, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

Ok MONGO, I understand your position on the proposal now, sorry for misinterpreting your words. There is no need to be 'brutal' however, and I must ask: will you please stop making any further accusations unless you are able to provide solid evidence for such? Before claiming that I am a WP:SPA you will want to check out the following non-trivial contributions I've recently made to topics that are completely unrelated to 9/11, and then compare to recent contributions I've made to pages that are related to 9/11. See how it adds up. [7][8][9][10][11][12][13]. I was even thanked by another editor for this one [14]. @John Carter: you are also encouraged to review my edit history, as well as what other editors have said about me at the RfC [15][16][17] before jumping to any conclusions. Thanks. Smitty121981 (talk) 19:55, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

This discussion should be on the article Talk page and not here. Smitty121981 just will not accept consensus on 9/11 and keeps adding further comments to try and confuse the issue at hand. I have news for this "editor", absolutely no-one has changed their views - accept consensus please. As for the WP:SPA badge, it is fully justified, a few window dressing edits will not change the charge. You were rebuffed some years ago with your theories and have been rebuffed again. I repeat, the your issues should be on the correct conspiracy page - and not here. David J Johnson (talk) 20:23, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

Smitty...you post on my page again about your 9/11 arguments and I'm marching to arbitration enforcement and getting you topic banned...consider this my final warning.--MONGO 21:01, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

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I daren't change this kind of stuff on my own

.. because the history of American government is all a blur to me, but about Raynolds developing water resources for the nation's growing capitol at Washington, D.C.: the "capitOl" is just the congress building, isn't it, per United States Capitol? That can't have used up so much water. Should it be water resources for the growing capitAl, i. e. the city? Or not? Bishonen | talk 12:14, 3 September 2014 (UTC).

Excellent catch! Precisely...as you noticed Washington D.C. is the capitAl....not the capitOl. That's the kind of thing spell check would ignore.--MONGO 13:37, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

And the kind of thing idiots like you would miss!--Dumb MONGO 13:39 , 3 September 2014 (UTC)

What?????!!!!--MONGO 13:43, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

And don't forget to wikify each instance of capitol and capital. Let me know right before GA and I'll search and replace so every instance is a blue link to the DAB. --DHeyward (talk) 15:07, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Um....really....ah MONGO think that might be excessive...need to do what we can to avoid bot attacks!--MONGO 15:18, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

RfC

Mongo, I have taken that second paragraph out of the content to be discussed at the Reptilians RfC. Since you have said that that is the only one you oppose, and that you can support the first paragraph, would you consider changing your vote to "Support"? Scolaire (talk) 09:43, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Montana Vigilantes GAN

Montana Vigilantes is now in the GAN queue --Mike Cline (talk) 19:51, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Cool beans! Will look it over this weekend.--MONGO 22:17, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Katmai

Mongo,

I keep undoing your edits to attempt to retain the user talk of the Katmai page because I myself deleted it long ago. Then I re-posted it later to edit some more for unnecessary reasons and then deleted it again. I did not mean to bring it back in the first place and the reason I did was for stupid reasons which I now regret. You trying to bring it back is simply unhelpful and does not flow well with me. The talk I had with the other Wikipedia users ended long ago and there is no reason to retain it. It just bloats the talkpage. And all three users, including me, who participated in the talk, explained all to each other what we wanted and we learned all we could know from it.

I am going to delete it one more time and I do not want you to bring it back. There is no reason to retain such talk unless it is still being continued. I did not mean to bring it back in the first place, have felt stupid for doing that, and do not want you to continue that problem by reverting my edits.Anderswarr (talk) 11:32, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

MONGO the GOOD!!

According to a long lost editor.....I am a good MONGO! I therefore wish to be known as MONGO the GOOD!--MONGO 16:15, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Thank you

Dearest and most respectfully adhered MONGO THE GOOD, I want to thank you for your role in the "cover up" surrounding the protection of the New York Law School communications department's manipulation of Wikipedia. Now I have a news article ($200 freelancer fee) to publish, where without your interference, I would have had nothing. - 2001:558:1400:10:3537:62F8:5C22:7441 (talk) 13:46, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Make sure you always spell M-O-N-G-O in all caps! Hugs and kisses.--MONGO 13:52, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Gore and Rose and Arctic Oceans on the Rocks

Hi MONGO. You've been here even longer than I have, and I always feel sympathy when some little ankle-biter (and I don't mean User:Bishzilla, of course) tries to harass you with some trumped-up semi-civility nonsense. But are you sure you know what you are doing at Arctic sea ice decline? Rose's article in the Mail is, like most things scientific in the Mail, complete crap. Trying to rescue it by quoting Gore's NPP acceptance speech out of context (note that the very sentence before the one you choose gives him 15 more years, and even that is qualified with "one study" and "could") and then adding editorialising (and wrong) judgements to it ist not, in my opinion, the best thing to do. What do you want to achieve with that for the reader, anyways? --Stephan Schulz (talk) 06:18, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

I see his opinion, whether it has proven wrong, qualified or has inaccuracies, as notable due to his involvement. I started and was the major contributor to the article Retreat of glaciers since 1850 so I'm not a denialist, but we don't take sides. We can expand on what Gore said and if he has made more recent adjustments to these statements we can add that. I know those that question the climate change facts will use the issue of last years harsh winter as a way to misrepresent the overall downward trend of arctic sea ice as measured in the historical period...but we can't ignore when predictions prove somewhat inaccurate just because they are inaccurate. With that said...I'm not beholden to Gore's quote being in there but we must be cautious about why we would omit it. I have no dog in this fight and look at climate change from a distance to be frank....and sadly, the voices of alarmism and denialism seem to drown out the reasonable conversation in the middle....we need to be in the middle.--MONGO 11:17, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

I have no major problem with including him. But he made quite hedged statements, reporting on single studies and probabilities. If he said "there is one study which says there is the possibility that the arctic ocean might be ice-free in summer by 2014", we cannot report "he said the arctic will be ice-free, and hah, he is wrong!". I'll have to say that while I've seen some alarmism, its fairly little. We don't need to be "in the middle" between, say, Gore and Barton. We need to follow the prevailing scientific opinion, and that is much closer to Gore (even if he gets some details wrong) than to Barton (who, at best, gets some details right by accident). --Stephan Schulz (talk) 12:03, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

I see you have removed it again....oh well. My point was slightly to demonstrate that climate science is imperfect since it is based on modelling and forecasting whereby glacial retreat is quantifiable, observable...I have no further argument to offer. Best wishes.--MONGO 15:22, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

You're a wiser man than I am, MONGO san! (with excuses to Rudyard Kipling and James Clavell)--Stephan Schulz (talk) 18:46, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

MONGO and WISE!!! Now there's an oxymoron!--MONGO 20:32, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

History of Glyphosate

In 1950, Glyphosate was discovered by Henri Martin

• Glyphosat.de:Geschichte von Glyphosat (German)

--178.3.25.83 (talk) 23:03, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

Do you have a reference in English available?--MONGO 23:17, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

Note that 178.3.25.84 is a sockpuppet. Sie Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Europefan. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 00:42, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Thank you!--MONGO 01:21, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Map of Tang dynasty

Why revert my edition for the map of Tang dynasty. I use the map from reliable source. What's the problem? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.33.242.96 (talk) 23:12, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

It looks nice but it is in Chinese labels...why not post your version to the talkpage and see if the editors would prefer it...the article is a Featured Article so it should get decent feedback.--MONGO 23:16, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

Clarification motion

A case (September 11 conspiracy theories) in which you were involved has been modified by motion which changed the wording of the discretionary sanctions section to clarify that the scope applies to pages, not just articles. For the arbitration committee --S Philbrick(Talk) 19:19, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

Mystery solved

Hey Mongo. I just noticed the drama that occurred with the "new" user Patrol Forty. Like you, many and myself knew they had a previous account. They way this character wrote they wall text, have a vast majority of contributions outside article space and just basically harassing any user who disagreed with them all was familiar. I was involved with an AfD for HMS Richmond helicopter crash with the suspicious editor and that editor's subsequent pointy DRV in which all editors unanimously rejected with Patrol Forty throwing thousands of bites of text to the bitter end.

User:MickMacNee

By accident I came across an old AfD for FedEx Express Flight 647 in which there was remarkably similar language and badgering from the banned User:MickMacNee. After the AfD didn't go his way, he created an almost identical pointy DRV with all editors unanimously rejecting and he presented the same long winded thousands of bites of attitude to those who disagreed with him even when the DRV was clearly being rejected! - Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2010 December 16.

MickMacNee had identical tone, a vast majority of contributions outside article space and even left long-winded harranging comment's on Jimbo's talk page. Some evidence as to what led to his banning here: Wikipedia talk:Requests for comment/MickMacNee.

Mystery solved. --Oakshade (talk) 02:02, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

That is interesting. I knew he was a ban evader, but not sure which one. I see arbcom banned him for a year, then as part of that, indefinitely...odd way they did that and it might be a unique wording for a banned editor. That Rfc led to the arbcom case here. Good job tracking that...maybe we need to log it or contact arbcom and let them know?--MONGO 02:45, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

DangerousPanda arbitation request opened

You recently offered a statement in a request for arbitration and have not been listed as a party. The Arbitration Committee has accepted that request for arbitration and an arbitration case has been opened at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/DangerousPanda. Evidence that you wish the arbitrators to consider should be added to the evidence subpage, at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/DangerousPanda/Evidence. Please add your evidence by 3 December 2014, which is when the evidence phase closes. You can also contribute to the case workshop subpage, Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/DangerousPanda/Workshop. For a guide to the arbitration process, see Wikipedia:Arbitration/Guide to arbitration. For the Arbitration Committee, Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 12:36, 19 November 2014 (UTC). Message delivered by MediaWiki message delivery

So short! Topic ban!

Too short!

But narrative so short now! Fuller information was very interesting! Oh misery! Rage! Rave! Warning! Disruptive editing! Block! MONGO topic banned from own userpage! Woe! Headed for indef block! Woe woe woe! Cassandra at the peak of her insanity (crazytalk) 15:53, 27 November 2014 (UTC).

Oh noes, yet more mayhem! Stop the insanity! Cassandra at the peak of her insanity (crazytalk) 15:58, 27 November 2014 (UTC).

Confused: My head hurts now.

You correct as always my Dear Cassandra! I shall revert thyself...it was merely a page load issue but seems more RAM has solved it!--MONGO 16:35, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

Cool! Nobody ever believed Cassandra's prophesies before. (Now she's all confused about her role in history. Woe.) Cassandra at the peak of her insanity (crazytalk) 17:39, 27 November 2014 (UTC).

MONGO thought he may need more room on page since MONGO has several FAs hoped for like this one that the mighty Bishonen herself even helped with...perhaps you've heard of her? An outstanding writer...a dispassionate administrator... and quite sane I assure you which is quite a departure from the norm.--MONGO 19:16, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

MONGO clarify that be means no allusions to current company regarding issue of sanity....of course.--MONGO 19:22, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Northern Ice Field (Mount Kilimanjaro)

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:02, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Yea! Thanks for the info.--MONGO 12:18, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Adam Walsh Child Protection and Safety Act revert

Why it was reverted so far back in time? Now the criticism section lacks references. Could the latest version be edited more coherent and compact rather than using the revert which has led to losing some relevant information. I have made some edits to that article. If you wish you could check "sex offender" -article talk page, and give your input, since we are debating these edits over there. --ViperFace (talk) 19:22, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Global warming - edit war

You're EW ing over text that had >200KB of discussion last summer and was finally approved by the participants (at least at the time) after six carefully documented drafts. If you want to EW that's one thing, but you're on some questionable ice when you just say there was no discussion/consensus/whatever for the substantive changes. Links to the discussions I mentioned are in a current thread at the article talk page. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 15:07, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Happy Saint Lucia's Day!

Special Saint Lucia's Day celebration for you: Lucia coffee and buns from festively arrayed Bishzilla Lucia! ['Zilla twirls to display her becoming Lucia crown in the round.] bishzilla _ROARR!! 15:19, 13 December 2014 (UTC).

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  Bishzilla Lucia
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  Cappuccino
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  Gingerbread
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  Saffron buns
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  Little helper bearing gift

Wow! MONGO extremely pleased by being so honored. Bishzilla even in festivities with fine crown of candles! I confess to never having saffron buns before...they look delicious! Little helper aptly named as bearer of gifts. Cappuccino with gingerbread perfect match. MONGO hunger abated...that's a good thing! Happy Saint Lucia's Day to you too mighty Bishzilla!--MONGO 16:01, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Our conflict

Hi MONGO,

I want to try to relax our tightened relations. I don't like to be on bad terms with people even over internet. I think our debate went too personal once in a while. I don't think it's good for neither both of us, nor for aspiration of Wikipedia. I apologize. Since, I guess at least part of your objection to my edits might be due to misinterpretation of my motives, and possibly viewing me as an advocate for some repulsive behavior/people, which I'm definitely not, I added some information about myself and why I have currently been editing only these certain topics on my user page for anyone who might be questioning my good faith. Please, check it out. I don't want anyone to take me for as something I'm not. I also added some material as an attempt to answer one of the questions you asked on AWA talk page and to show that my views are not coming out from nowhere. Sincerely, ViperFace (talk) 20:27, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

You have been mostly writing from a very strong POV on the subject in question. As I mentioned before, modest proposals that are well balanced might work but your history of editing does not reflect that . I'm extremely busy in real life so not able to engage on that topic much now anyway.--MONGO 20:32, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Murder of Kylie Maybury

Hi Would you be interesting in helping to expand Murder of Kylie Maybury? I feel Kylie deserves better than the meagre article she has at the moment. Paul Austin (talk) 05:40, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

Nadolig hapus

Martinevans123^{Santas Grotto} ... wishes you and yours:

"Nadolig Llawen a Blwyddyn Newydd Dda"

---

May the true spirit of Christmas bless you with warmth and peace!

Thank you very much Martin and Merry Christmas to you too!--MONGO 01:23, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

Nollaig

	Nollaig shona duit
	Best christmas and new year. Another year down, and so much more to write. Thanks for all your contribuitions and being part of the community. Hope January is at least resonabally tolerable for you. Ceoil (talk) 23:51, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for remembering me and I wish you all the same. Happy holidays!--MONGO 07:33, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

Raynolds

I'd gotten the Jerry Thompson source for a completely different reason, but it looked like you could use it. Please format the source appropriately to your style if there's any problem. I could give exact page numbers, but didn't know how you wanted to handle that. BusterD (talk) 20:35, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

Thank you kind sir! All I did was narrow down the pages a bit. Mike Cline had emailed about that source just yesterday so at least you two can find better sources than I! Much appreciated! Happy New Year!--MONGO 23:37, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

Congrats on the promotion of Raynolds to FA. Good job seeing it through --Mike Cline (talk) 22:35, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

And thank you for your contributions as well! We made an overlooked gentleman finally get the acclaim he deserves.--MONGO 23:04, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Congrats. Good article. I am a somewhat of a history buff, but was unfamiliar with him. --rogerd (talk) 04:17, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Nice. Great work. Hard to believe where this all started. BusterD (talk) 05:37, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Thank you kind sirs! BusterD, you're a big player on that article what with all the expansion you did on Raynolds' military exploits...I think your efforts on that front greatly led to later additions and expansions. Happy New Year!--MONGO 13:00, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

About an SPI

O, notorious MONGO!
Since you mentioned some concerns about 68.7.95.95 (talk · contribs · WHOIS), I raised it here: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Flowersforparis#15_January_2015. Your comments would be welcome. bobrayner (talk) 01:54, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Laugh out loud...thank you. Yeah, I can be a bit less than cordial when dealing with editors like that but I call it as I see it. Good show...--MONGO 02:01, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Chris Kyle

I just wanted to annoy you? And prove that I'm not afraid of the notorious MONGO. Either that or I just made an error but that would mean that I was at fault. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 15:48, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Its fine...no worries! But yes, I'm notorious!--MONGO 15:51, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Excitement

I seem to be missing all the excitement from the IP and his love notes. Just saw email alerts about it. Thanks to my talkpage stalkers for the reverts!--MONGO 05:16, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

He called me a former admin! That's as close to an admin as I've ever been. I guess the year block on his proxy IP account hurt. --DHeyward (talk) 07:08, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

You're not missing much..it's more fun not being an admin! I was just about to get cordial with him/her/it too...--MONGO 07:12, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

Your Entry

Would you like to write a couple of words, like four-five lines about William F. Raynolds for its entry in the Signpost? You are obviously the expert on this theme... Hafspajen (talk) 14:48, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

• William F. Raynolds (1820-1894) was a civil engineer and graduate of the United States Military Academy who served in both the Mexican–American War and was a brevetted brigadier general for meritorious service in the American Civil War. During the American occupation of Mexico, in 1848 he led the first successful mountaineering expedition to the summit of Pico de Orizaba (18,620 feet (5,680 m)), inadvertently setting an American alpine record that was not surpassed for 50 years. In 1859, he was in charge of the Raynolds Expedition, the first U.S. government sponsored expedition to the region that later became Yellowstone National Park. Heavy snowpack from the previous winter forced the expedition south of Yellowstone and they became the first government sponsored party to enter Jackson Hole and survey the Teton Range. Reynolds designed and surpervised numerous lighthouse projects and several of those lighthouses are still in use and are listed on the National Register of Historic Places.

@Hafspajen:...hope that works and isn't too flowery.--MONGO 16:15, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

It is perfect. Love it!! Hafspajen (talk) 16:17, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

Cool beans! Thanks for asking for my input! Have a good one!--MONGO 16:19, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

Happy tenth anniversary, notorious MONGO!

Here's the party! Let the explosions begin! darwinbish ^BITE ☠ 20:43, 18 January 2015 (UTC).

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Yeah!!! I am ready to party! Just think...can Wikipedia handle another TEN YEARS of the dreaded MONGO?--MONGO 20:45, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

Congrats from the notorious infoboxes criminal! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:47, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

We are all notorious for something! Thank you!--MONGO 21:02, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

Ten years? Is that all? Talk to me when you hit 10 years 5 months! :) Congrats MONGO! Guettarda (talk) 20:49, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

You are super ancient! I missed your joining the geriatric committee so happy 10th plus to you too!--MONGO 21:02, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

Congratulations my friend and thanks for all your help. Best regards, David, David J Johnson (talk) 21:03, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

And many thanks to you as well!--MONGO 21:17, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

Rock on till the break of dawn with Eadweard Muybridge and Laurel and Hardy! Bishonen | talk 21:11, 18 January 2015 (UTC).

Thank you kind human person! Very cute!--MONGO 00:06, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

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Happy tenth birthday from me, MONGO. You are younger than I thought, though; here was me thinking you'd already reached the ten-year milestone here! :D Acalamari 21:15, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

I know...ten years of the dreaded MONGO is like an eternity! Best wishes!--MONGO 23:19, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

Yes, and a happy tenth from me, too. Best wishes, Walter Siegmund (talk) 05:58, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

Thank you wise sage of the Pacific Northwest!--MONGO 06:37, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

Cheers! Fireworks! Music! Happy anniversary! Tom Harrison ^Talk 12:45, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

Thank you kind sir! I missed your tenth...many many apologies for that omission.--MONGO 14:12, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

No problem, I missed it myself. Tom Harrison ^Talk 14:16, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

Wikiproject Sept 11

Hey MONGO, you're in WP:9/11, did you ever see this in the Al-Qaeda#Sudan,

the Sudanese government offered the Clinton Administration numerous opportunities to arrest bin Laden. Those opportunities were met positively by Secretary of State Madeleine Albright, but spurned when Susan Rice and counter-terrorism czar Richard A. Clarke persuaded National Security Advisor Sandy Berger to overrule Albright

but not a word about it in Richard Clarke's bio. There is, however, a disproportionate amount of space of Clarke supposedly warning the Bush administration about the danger of bin Laden. nobs (talk) 02:44, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

Nobs...it has been many years. I don't know if there is any truth to it...the 9/11 Commission said it was not true, but the information they had to go on was surely full of people in denial that they coulda shoulda etc. to protect their own butts.--MONGO 03:03, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

the Commission said they found no evidence, not that it was not true...The Susan Rice entry gives more detail:

Timothy M. Carney, U.S. ambassador to Sudan between September 1995 and November 1997, co-authored an op-ed in 2002 claiming that in 1997 Sudan offered to turn over its intelligence on bin Laden but that Rice, as NSC Africa specialist, together with the then NSC terrorism specialist Richard A. Clarke, successfully lobbied for continuing to bar U.S. officials, including the CIA and FBI, from engaging with the Khartoum government

The Ambassador presumably is a credible source, as are all the sources available. Turning over its intelligence is different than turning over the man. Either way, the usual suspects are the same, Rice and Clarke blocked the efforts (Rice seems to twice now have covered for al Qaeda, 1995 in Sudan and 2012 at Benghazi).

The main point is, why is this well sourced info in the Al Qaeda and Susan Rice articles, but the Richard Clarke article devotes a huge amount of space claiming Clarke tried to warn Bushies & neocons, and yet not a peep about criticism that he let bin Laden get away 8 years earlier? nobs (talk) 04:46, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

Its possible no one has attempted to put it in the Clarke article, or adjusted the information to better jive with the facts. I have to admit I never recollect editing any of those articles on Rice or Clarke. All my 9/11 related work was in the main articles about the attacks, the collapse and a couple others. I never had time to dwelve into more peripheral articles. Nefarious actions by Rice would never surprise me. It's amazing people fail to understand that when you elect a President you get all the other goodies too, like radical appointments of thugs, liars and thieves.--MONGO 06:10, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

I just made my first edit to Rice, adjusting the image caption.--MONGO 06:17, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

Rice couldn't become Sec. Of State because the Senate would have blocked it due to her coverup of Benghazi. However, she could become the National Security Advisor because with that position no confirmation is needed. American politics make me wretch...--MONGO 06:29, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

Yes, there are blp concerns in the Rice and Clark articles, but seem to get ignored for Scooter Libby, Sander Berger, et al when covering what essentially are the same background facts. Let's clarify some facts: Bill Clinton boasts today, "I tried to kill him" [meaning bin Laden]". Bin Laden fled Sudan after several assassination attempts which most sources attribute to local Islamic groups or a covert act by the Saudi government. The United States President, under US law, has the power to legally commit assassinations and kidnappings by issuing a Presidential Finding (WP's article on this is horrid). Anwar al-Awalki for example, an American citizen, was not Mirandized, denied an attorney, denied the right to a jury trial, and there was no presumption of innocence. He was whacked with a drone strike. This was legal because of a Presidential Finding.

In essence, the sources basically are saying Rice and Clarke opposed, or thwarted efforts, to get President Bill Clinton to issue a Finding authorizing Extraordinary rendition or other means (assassination). nobs (talk) 15:45, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

That's all likely the case and I don't think, so long as it's impeccably referenced that it would violate BLP in the article, even though it's a bit subjective. Remember that prior to 9/11 there was far less cause to go after anyone, but even so, it's not like Bill Clinton did zero. He didn't do enough but that is easier to see now on the backside.--MONGO 15:53, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

I fixed the broken Washington Post link in two articles. It seems the text from the Rice article could be cut n pasted into the Clarke article with little tweaks; problem is, it may need some context and the Clarke article shortened/expanded or restructured to fit. nobs (talk) 16:41, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

Did the tweaks; it still seems a bit unbalanced considering he spent 8 years in the Clinton administration and barely 2 years in the Bush administration. nobs (talk) 17:11, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

thanks

Thanks for the pointers MONGO. It looks reasonably more like an encyclopedia entry and bio piece with some historical interest, hopefully. I'll be around somemore. Hey, congrats on 10 years, I'm on 9 years and 7 months now too. Not many oldtimers still edit on the original account. Check out my Essay:Worldview of ISIS jihadis; it's opening a world of possibilities right now. Thanks again. nobs (talk) 22:38, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

Deletion of Chris Kyle material at Militarization of police

I have started a discussion about your deletions of this material here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Militarization_of_police It would be helpful if you could provide reliable sources to support your claims that this is "misinformation" and "disinformation", especially since three reliable sources have been cited and you have cited zero to substantiate your claims. Ghostofnemo (talk) 14:30, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

These "writers" that misrepresent the story of Kyle claiming HE shot people from the Superdome after Hurricane Katrina. Kyle did fabricate the story of snipers shooting persons from atop he Superdome but he never once stated that he did so himself. The orginal story is from an op-ed written by another navy seal and is here at this link. The news media has bamboozled people into the lie that Kyle claimed he was there...he never made that claim. These "journalists" are apparently too slovenly to do their own research before writing a "news" piece. The fabrication of information to fit an agenda is one of the things that brings discredit to some media outlets and news magazines. Webb's piece predates these sources and it is from that that the lies were spun. Of course, chickshit cowards can easily smear a person after they are dead and no longer capable of defending themselves.--MONGO 15:32, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

Reliable sources say that Kyle did say he was one of the new orleans shooters. That might be wrong but it'd be original research to say so. However none of this needs to be in the military police article because either way it never happened, Kyle lied, so this really doesn't prove anything. Surely there must be non-lie sources pertaining to military police. Popish Plot (talk) 05:36, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

No...read my comment above...it is from that that the legend was built. Kyle said he knew others were there but be never said he was.--MONGO 05:39, 12 February 2015 (UTC)::Mongo you may be right but hopefully you understand why I can't just take your word on it. Popish Plot (talk) 14:43, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

Why does everyone want to publish 3rd hand fish stories? Nobody was shot by snipers. Kyle didn't say he shot anybody. How is this nonsense being peddled as encyclopedic? --DHeyward (talk) 06:01, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

Kyle is the favorite scapegoat for liberals....he is the personificiation of everything they disagree with and since he's dead they can shit on his grave.--MONGO 06:08, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

I just don't get it. He joined the Navy before Bush and 9/11. He just went and did what he was told. There are just as many badasses doing the same thing for Obama. Drone strike operators have more kills than Kyle and they operate all over the world. The King of Jordan expressed just as much or more anger at ISIL than Kyle. He'll kill more people than Kyle, too. Kyle shouldn't be a liberal/conservative issue and it's disappointing to see him torn down in that manner. I don't even know what his political beliefs are. --DHeyward (talk) 06:27, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

Its a fixation and he's deceased so it's easier to spin a web of conspiracy theories around him. This stuff is no different than the same fringe information we have been fighting on 9/11 pages just its a bio. Nobs is convinced that these lies must be in the article and debunked for what they are which is conspiracy theories...whereby others like you feel that we should not misrepresent or platform this stuff.--MONGO 14:24, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

I don't even mind it being debunked in his bio, as long as its due weight and true. Creeping into tangential articles like "Militarization of police" is just crazy. Especially stuff that's demonstrably false. Increasing controversy to where it outweighs other sections is just as a crazy. The controversies can be summarized in about 3 or 4 sentences and that would be about right for due weight considering record sniper kills, 2 silver stars and 5 bronze stars. He's much less controversial than John Kerrey's purple hearts and post-vietnam statements and this is case of "swiftboating." --DHeyward (talk) 18:40, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

So long as there movie is out and until after whatever happens at the Academy awards and now with the murder trial and ongoing Ventura stupidies the recentism gangs" will want to come to the articles and post stuff about Kyle. Once the dust settles on that these guys will get bored and more on. It pretty stupid to think that what any of us settle now is going to be the way it is in a couple months.--MONGO 21:38, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

Threats of Arbcom

I remember you and an admin named FeloniousMonk once threatened me with arbcom action. It was awhile ago, but I still remember how it turned out. Remember, I have nothing to lose because I don't care anymore. You, however, do, because your articles that you are trapped into protecting might not stay on message if you don't keep watching them. Good times! Cla68 (talk) 01:00, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

You don't care but you failed miserably again to get me topic banned? You don't care but you wanted to use this website to make a buck. You don't care but you're still here? Okie dokie.--MONGO 01:06, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

Can you point to where I asked for you to be topic banned in my enforcement request? Cla68 (talk) 01:10, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

There is an arbitration case regarding those articles....you went to AE...what other purpose would AE serve?--MONGO 01:12, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

The bigger picture. Bigger than that topic area. It wasn't personal. If it had been someone else besides you needling that editor, I still would have made the request. Cla68 (talk) 01:18, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

What hypocrisy. You spent years stalking SlimVirgin and others...you've trolled and harassed others many times and you think because myself and another editor were poking and or harmlessly teasing some guy that had an agenda that we deserve sanctions. Get real. Everyone who has ever tried to get me topic banned from those pages has lost and that will never change so accept it. Since I know you can't be so dumb that you thought that your complaint would succeed that is why it is harassment.--MONGO 01:31, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

AT one time Mr. Cla68 was making excellent contributions to Wikipedia. More recently he seems to always take the anti-scientific fringe sides and has an extremely disruptive attitude with a thin veneer of "civil". An attitude of anti-scientific fringe thinking is disruptive for an encyclopedia and violates NPOV and undo weight. His editing pattern seems to have degenerated into almost exclusively these disruptive activities like the harassment against you. When he harassed me he had much more credibility and was able to be much more disruptive. For his own good and the good of the encyclopedia, it may be best if he restricted his hatred of Wikipedia to activities only on Wikipediocracy? Bill Huffman (talk) 17:55, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

He is an odd cat in my opinion and I won't hesitate to repeat that to arbcom if needed. In reality, he's not really bothering me since I know it's just trolling. I used to think that he strayed sometimes from his usually excellent FA work to get involved in silly things, but now I feel more convinced than ever that the FA work was just a cover to protect him so he could troll. His stalking of certain editors, particularly female editors such I alluded to above, never sat well with me in the least, and that stalking behavior dates back many years now. In a perfect world, Cla68 would simply resume his excellent FA work and stop monkeying around with this other nonsense...but looks like we would be fools to believe that is ever going to happen as he seems to make that clear here as well. As he states above...he does not care anymore.--MONGO 18:23, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

Tall trees?

Listened to a really cool TED talk on all the critters that live in the canopy of redwoods and folks that climb up there. Might be interesting to buff Sequoia sempervirens at some point to GA/FA......Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 01:37, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

Hi Casliber! That article should be at least GA...tallest living thing on the planet at present....most of them were cut down. I helped bring Redwoods National and State Parks to FA years ago and it needs updating badly so working on both would be a good idea. The current article is expansive but it might need to be more comprehensive such as in the detail you have brought up. I do have another article stewing at present that needs to be expanded to send to peer review and then maybe FAC....but I can set aside time for the redwoods.--MONGO 02:04, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

No rush - this and its neck-and-neck competitor mountain ash (Eucalyptus regnans) I have thought about for some time - I have a funny photo somewhere on my hard drive - someone planted a redwood in a patch of mountain ash forest east of Melbourne - the two growing side by side...Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:17, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

Eucalyptus regnans can grow 65 metres in 50 years! I had no idea they were that fast growing. Amazing! I have now watchlisted both and ran citation bot on Redwoods yesterday. I've become very slow moving on FAs partly because the national park articles I work on lead me to write a hundred plus support articles on any mountains, lakes, glaciers and even hiking trails and buildings within those parks...so I get sidetracked. Planting a redwood and Eucalyptus regnans next to each other wouldn't be a fair fight in a human lifetime what with the Australian species growing so fast compared to the slow growing redwood. I had thought that some of the Eucalyptus were believed to have historically exceeded 400 feet in height in the past. I bet historically that Eucalyptus regnans is taller....with rate they grow that might still happen in my lifespan if there are any close competitors with the current tallest redwood. I hope the Australian species wasn't cut down to the extent the redwoods were...which was a shameful waste.--MONGO 16:03, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

Nice work on Lambertia formosa...I see it's on the main page today.--MONGO 17:19, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

(belatedly) Thx - yes lots of E. regnans gone (biggest ones were in Victoria). And Tasmanian government is in bed with logging company so is hostile to conservationists. Huge fights about old growth forests that gov't wants to woodchip. Eucalyptus grandis can grow 7 m in a year (!). Am starting on regnans with Melburnian as I can lay hands on sources more easily and get a feel for how to lay out all the record trees etc. into it, but I suspect sempervirens will be next......Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:18, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

...of course I should be doing my income tax but that is exceedingly boring. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:18, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

Although the forestry folks are running around with lasers, which found this Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:24, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

Can that tree be incorporated into the appropriate article? If it's the tallest living hardwood and flowering plant then that is significant. While I have no immediate plans on working specifically on any redwood article, its on my list thanks to you and you motivated me to resume working on an FA that's lying in wait and is halfway at least.--MONGO 15:25, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

Warning about personal attacks, Feb 2015

Your numerous personal attacks against several editors on Talk:American Sniper (film) and Wikipedia: Articles for deletion/American Sniper (film) controversies are against wikipedia policy and can lead to you getting blocked or banned. --IjonTichy (talk) 19:10, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Neither of those things are going to happen...you will compromise and stop POV pushing or those things will happen to you. You're already topic banned from an unrelated article...this one is next if you persist in misusing this website to POV push. I'm not offering any compromises until you cease with your disruptions.--MONGO 19:17, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Even after the POV coatrack you created was voted to be merged and closed, you were still adding more to the coatrack...[18]...your aggressive efforts are undermining much chance for even moderate voices to agree with you.--MONGO 19:21, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

You appear to continue to personally attack editors, despite polite requests to stop. Accusations of POV pushing on an article talk page can be seen to be a personal attack. You also appear to have issued ad hominem attacks on editors on the related AfD discussion of the separate, stand-alone controversies article. You also appear to engage in Wikipedia:Disruptive editing by removing sourced content and engaging in ad hominem attacks on sources and voicing your personal disapproval of the source(s) because you just don't like them, instead of discussing e.g. the reliability of the source(s) and other policy issues related to the citation(s) from the source(s). IjonTichy (talk) 19:44, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Hugs and kisses!--MONGO 20:28, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you purposefully and blatantly harass a fellow Wikipedian, as you did at User talk:MONGO. Spreading Wikilove in retaliation for templating the regulars will not be tolerated! Toodles. DHeyward (talk) 00:45, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

I am very sorry!--MONGO 01:00, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

I have started a Dispute Resolution discussion for American Sniper

Please see here David A (talk) 08:39, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

Some appreciation for you!

some excellent images for facebook Hafspajen (talk) 16:20, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

They know not of the justice Bishzilla can induce....Come not between the dragon and his wrath.--MONGO 16:37, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

Very draconian indeed. Hafspajen (talk) 16:41, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

Malaysia Airlines Flight 370

That {{GOCEinuse}} tag was placed because of this. All the best, Miniapolis 21:11, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

I see...but hardly any improvements are underway or have been for days now. It likely needs a bot to scan it...--MONGO 21:15, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

A bot can't copyedit (yet :-)) and the requester wants to bring it from GA to A-Class, so the prose should be near-FA quality. All the best, Miniapolis 23:36, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

We seem to be talking past each other. The tag requested others not interfere but no editing was going on. What's the sense of the tag if nothing is happening? I just posted a bit ago the automated peer review to the article talklage that might help anyone wishing to get the article in better shape to follow. That was more than anything else going on.--MONGO 00:33, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

See this...no one is editing the article--MONGO 00:37, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

(←) WP:VOLUNTEER. We're not machines; we eat, sleep and there's more to life than WP. The tag says to remove it if the page hasn't been edited for at least 24 hours, and I couldn't help noticing that the only editing you've done to the page (lately, at least) is to remove the tag. Miniapolis 00:42, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

I added the peer review suggestions to the talkpage which is a damn sight more than you have done. Put the tag back up if you wish....or at least inform the editor that put the notice up that if they are going to put a boilerplate tag atop that article asking others to not edit the page because it's undergoing a major edit, then they should make a major edit(s)! That way someone that might have some useful edits to make won't be discouraged from doing so due to that boilerplate....seems rather logical eh?--MONGO 02:20, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

(←) I have nothing to do with the article outside of my position as lead coordinator of the Guild of Copy Editors. A copyedit was requested on the GOCE requests page; when a copyeditor tried to work on it (adding {{GOCEinuse}} to minimize the chance of edit conflicts), you removed the tag and they gave up. AHeneen wants to bring it to A-Class, which is commendable (and a copyedit would help). Since I'm repeating myself, though, I'm done here. Miniapolis 14:41, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

If they're going to take four hours to hit the save button they should work on a copy paste version in their sandbox then place their finished redention back in the article.--MONGO 16:04, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Talk page

I apologize for reverting you. I had been under the impression that you got sick of the other editor adding references and decided to remove it wholesale. I've undone my revert and have created a new section linking to the archived one. I hope this suffices. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 15:23, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

Not a problem at all Erik. We can set the archive bot to a longer waiting period but Ijon restored talk that was automatically archived after 14 days is all.--MONGO 17:31, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

Arbcom notice

You are involved in a recently filed request for arbitration. Please review the request at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#Collect and, if you wish to do so, enter your statement and any other material you wish to submit to the Arbitration Committee. As threaded discussion is not permitted in most arbitration pages please ensure that you make all comments in your own section only. Additionally, the guide to arbitration and the Arbitration Committee's procedures may be of use.

Thanks, - MrX 20:49, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Maestro - strike up the band? Collect (talk) 14:38, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

No idea what the purpose is of arbcom splitting the case in two unless they want to perform a double jeopardy penalty. Bizarre.--MONGO 15:56, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

AN/I notice.

Please be advised of this new entry at WP:AN/I. — James Cantor (talk) 23:25, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

new essay

The case against me is vexatious indeed - I shall not contend against those who taste blood. The main complaint even includes my essays - so I wrote one which I hope you will appreciate WP:Wikipedia and shipwrights. It would be fun to see how others react, indeed. Warm regards, Collect (talk) 04:19, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

I like it. The thing is that the website is only as good as it is because there are sometimes those that take a hardline on some issues.--MONGO 04:43, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Arbitration Case Opened

You were recently listed as a party to a request for arbitration. The Arbitration Committee has accepted that request for arbitration and an arbitration case has been opened at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Collect and others. Evidence that you wish the arbitrators to consider should be added to the evidence subpage, at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Collect and others/Evidence. Please add your evidence by April 7, 2015, which is when the evidence phase closes. You can also contribute to the case workshop subpage, Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Collect and others/Workshop. For a guide to the arbitration process, see Wikipedia:Arbitration/Guide to arbitration. For the Arbitration Committee, Robert McClenon (talk) 03:32, 24 March 2015 (UTC) Robert McClenon (talk) 03:32, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

American politics 2 arbitration case opened

You were recently listed as a party to a request for arbitration. The Arbitration Committee has accepted that request for arbitration and an arbitration case has been opened at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/American politics 2. Evidence that you wish the arbitrators to consider should be added to the evidence subpage, at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/American politics 2/Evidence. Please add your evidence by April 14, 2015, which is when the evidence phase closes. You can also contribute to the case workshop subpage, Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/American politics 2/Workshop. For a guide to the arbitration process, see Wikipedia:Arbitration/Guide to arbitration. For the Arbitration Committee, --L235 (t / c / ping in reply) by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 01:51, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

A discussion right up your valley

There's a civil disagreement going on at Talk:Ulysses S. Grant surrounding Grant's role, if any, in the founding of Yellowstone Park. Given your long editing history of related subjects, I wonder if you are aware of sources which may illuminate the discussion. Any assistance or guidance may prove useful. Thanks. BusterD (talk) 01:11, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

As regards the two ArbCom notices above, I can't help but be reminded of La Choy's system of selling prepackaged Chinese food in cans, the smaller taped over the larger. It appears this month ArbCom has chosen to serve sweet and sour Oligochaeta accompanied by hot and spicy Nematoda for the main course. Can't help but wonder how it will affect the digestion. BusterD (talk) 01:23, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

That's a truly excellent analogy for two cans of worms! Bravo! Behind the scenes more are encouraging me to avoid both than to participate. One wonders what any of it would solve as well as the unknown X amount of bickering that instead could be spent in article space. I'm on the fence at this point. As far as US Grant, you might want to also ask Mike Cline who wrote the article Fort Yellowstone as well as Acroterion who is pretty knowledgeable as well about that history. I'll be along to see what is shaking in a day or two. Most pleased you thought my opinion might matter!--MONGO 02:05, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks MONGO. I've pinged both those editors. Hope you and yours are safe and well. BusterD (talk) 02:23, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

Coordinates for geographical features

Hi Mongo, I'm trying to make a series of articles documenting important geographical features (rivers, mountains, ranges, escarpments, etc.) in northern Kenya. I'm not sure though how to make maps that will place a dot or triangle on the coordinate I specify. Do you know how I should proceed with this? For instance at Loriu Plateau the triangle is not appearing on the map where I specified in the info box text (should be 1.3N, is instead 1.18N). Any help is appreciated! -Darouet (talk) 03:39, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Hi there! I switched the mountain range infobox template here that allowed adding seconds to the parameter. I may have your coordinates off. If all we have is degrees and minutes, I add 00 for seconds....it's not a decimal setup template in that style that you were using. We have to add two numbers to get the coordinates to mesh with the automagical alignment for the triangle in the template for maps. So if the dms is 1.3 figure this is D=01|M=30|S=00. Or did you mean something else. Play around with my edit and see if it gives you the parameters you need. If not I'll try and direct you to a better source.--MONGO 05:56, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Really helpful MONGO, thank you! In the Rift, you will very often find a mix of many geological periods and ages all together, so I'll have to find a way of faithfully representing that. -Darouet (talk) 12:40, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Good! You can add more parameters to that template so long as they are properly formatted. The only articles I have created or worked on extensively for Africa are the glaciers there found on Mount Kilimanjaro that I still need to complete. Since I found that locating references that have coordinates problematic, I used Google Earth to make approximations so I took some liberties. Let me know if there is anything else I can do.--MONGO 13:29, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Re Montana Vigilantes FAC

I suspect this one might be a bit contentious at FAC as it was at GA. However, that said, I may start to get my ducks in line and subject it to a peer review to see where that takes us. --Mike Cline (talk) 16:59, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

I thought that much was already ironed out at the GAC regarding what to place in the article. Let me know and Ill help as I can...I am way behind on updating an old FA of mine too that I need to get busy on.--MONGO 17:01, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

Chris Kyle

Would you care to have a look at the latest issues being discussed and give some input? BP OMowe (talk) 22:41, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

Reference errors on 11 April

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American Politics 2 arbitration evidence phase closing soon

As a listed party to this case, this is a notification that the evidence phase of this case is closing soon on 14 April. If you have additional evidence that you wish to introduce for consideration, it must be entered before this date. On behalf of the committee, Lankiveil ^{(speak to me)} 01:55, 12 April 2015 (UTC).

Evidence closed

The evidence phase is now closed on the American Politics 2 arbitration case, which you are a named party to. You are welcome to add proposals at the workshop. For the Committee, --L235 (t / c / ping in reply) using MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 00:16, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Jr. comma RfC

You're invited to participate in the discussion at Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)#RfC:_Guidance_on_commas_before_Jr._and_Sr. Dohn joe (talk) 02:13, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

American politics 2 workshop phrase

Hello MONGO, the workshop phase on the American politics 2 arbitration case, which you are listed as a party to, has been extended to 24 April 2015. This is the best opportunity to express your analysis of the evidence presented in this arbitration case. For the Committee, --L235 (t / c / ping in reply) via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:07, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

I wasn't proposed to be site banned even though I am apparently Satan.

American politics 2 workshop phase closed

The workshop phase of the American politics 2 arbitration case, which you are listed as a party to, is now closed. For the Arbitration Committee, --L235 (t / c / ping in reply) via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 19:27, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

Okay...thanks...a lot.--MONGO 21:40, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

This should be rewarded

	The strange edit summary sugary treat type award
	For okie dokie artichockie. Have this nice topic bar. Irondome (talk) 22:15, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

Cool beans! Thank you very much. MONGO likes candy!--MONGO 23:39, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Collect_and_others

This arbitration case has been closed and the final decision is available at the link above.

1. Collect is banned from any page relating to or making any edit about US politics or US political figures, in any namespace. This ban may be appealed no earlier than 18 months after its adoption.

2. Collect is indefinitely limited to one revert per article in any 24 hour period. This restriction excepts the reversal of unambiguous vandalism.

For the committee, Robert McClenon (talk) 01:48, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Reverting banned editor

Re this, I know it is by a banned user, but the point seems valid. Should it not be allowed to stand? Or 'accepted' by a user in good standing? (I would not regard myself as in 'good standing' given only recently returned , but surely someone could do this). Peter Damian (talk) 09:14, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

I do not have an opinion about that banned editor but banned is banned unless the community or arbcom unban the editor, so I removed it based on that.--MONGO 13:13, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

RfC: Guidance on commas after Jr. and Sr.

Following the closure of a recent RfC you participated in, I have started an RfC on the separate but related issue of commas after Jr. and Sr.. Please see Wikipedia:Village pump (policy) § RfC: Guidance on commas after Jr. and Sr. and feel free to comment there. Thanks! —sroc 💬 06:03, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Beer

MONGO needs beer. Irondome sleep. When sun comes up, Irondome will give MONGO beer. Beer is good. Irondome (talk) 04:02, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Beer for MONGO! There's some good brews there. One delivery per new moon should keep MONGO sane around here. A bottle opener is in there somewhere. Drink up! Irondome (talk) 15:22, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Beer for MONGO! BusterD sad. Not enough beer for MONGO to share... BusterD (talk) 15:42, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Do not worry BusterD. I will try to lay a monthly shipment for you too, but it's hard wearing two overcoats in June. And I have to sew the false pockets in. New technology has made Shoplifting more challenging, but I will try. All need beer, er, here. Irondome (talk) 16:00, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

YEAH! MONGO like beer! Many many thanks Mr. Irondome! Most brands MONGO not familiar with...used to home recipe made from dandelions and wild grass along with secret woodsy stuff! Mighty Bishzilla may be partial to brand in center called "Spitfire"...sounds potent! Never fear Mr. BusterD, MONGO can share one or perhaps two!--MONGO 16:40, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

BusterD make mate happy and mow lawn before water falls from sky. BusterD drink beer later. Save any Innis & Gunn for BusterD. BusterD (talk) 16:46, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Many good beer there! strong India pale ale near 7%, Leffe, same, all sorts, Stout 7%, Spitfire ale and top left yellow label the one brewed by the famous Blind monks of Prague.. Mr.BusterD Innis & Gunn there somewhere. All good beer! Get you there! Irondome (talk) 20:24, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Beer picture taken in Sweden! Well...no wonder uncultured MONGO not accustomed to such fine things...used to cave life in middle-of-nowhere America. All sound good...opener not needed...MONGO flip caps off with thumb...do it all the time.--MONGO 20:40, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Hello! There is a DR/N request you may have interest in.

This message is being sent to let you know of a discussion at the Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard regarding a content dispute discussion you may have participated in. Content disputes can hold up article development and make editing difficult for editors. You are not required to participate, but you are both invited and encouraged to help this dispute come to a resolution. Please join us to help form a consensus. Thank you! Rider ranger47 ^Talk 11:54, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

What do you think should be the new intro for 9/11 then?

What do you think should be the new intro for 9/11 then? XXzoonamiXX (talk) 03:35, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Take it to the article talk page.--MONGO 13:14, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

And don't change it until there is agreement on Talk page. A number of editors have worked hard on this subject and do not want it spoilt with unnecessary edits. David J Johnson (talk) 14:41, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Peer review initiated for Montana Vigilantees

In advance of FAC, a peer review is underway for Wikipedia:Peer review/Montana Vigilantes/archive1 All help appreciated. --Mike Cline (talk) 14:12, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

Mike Cline, I hope to help with this by next weekend.--MONGO 23:49, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

@Mike Cline: I doubt I can help with that article as it may be related to American Politics, a topic I'll be banned from.--MONGO 11:10, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

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Thanks for your help! Maralia (talk) 04:13, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

Diffs

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American politics 2 arbitration proposed decision posted

Hi MONGO, in the open American politics 2 arbitration case, a remedy or finding of fact has been proposed which relates to you.  Please review this decision and draw the arbitrators' attention to any relevant material or statements. Comments may be brought to the attention of the committee on the proposed decision talk page. For a guide to the arbitration process, see Wikipedia:Arbitration/Guide to arbitration. For the Arbitration Committee, --L235 (t / c / ping in reply) 03:21, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Civility

Civility has apparently taken over from edit warring as a way to get rid of editors, and it apparently works quite well. I always thought the purpose of WP was to build an encyclopedia, not cry about someone that made you sad. Sorry that you got caught up in the crap storm. Arzel (talk) 14:00, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

I don't know what to say to all that at the case.--MONGO 14:14, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Nothing to say since civility is largely in the eye of the beholder. Apparently, it is better to politely push a point of view than to bluntly follow NPOV and BLP rules. WP may fill up with crap, but at least everyone will have a grin on their face doing it. Arzel (talk) 14:25, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

The case is a joke. I could see why it was accepted, but the lack of evidence has demonstrated it's not important to anybody. BusterD (talk) 14:30, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

After the case is closed I'm going to ask the powers that be to invoke my right to vanish. I've had enough.--MONGO 16:15, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

With all these pledges of civility I'm wondering whether your account has been compromised. Remember, stubbornness is a defining characteristic with some of us. Of course the pedia is much better with you than without you. Love and kisses... BusterD (talk) 21:15, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Well...I got to go big or go home. The community is tired of nasty folks, so if I want to stay I got to chill.--MONGO 22:05, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Retired

This user is no longer active on Wikipedia.

Regrets

I regret seeing this but I can't say I'm surprised. Civility and positive discrimination lunacy are increasingly in charge of this asylum, the noise ratio is increasing, and the proven content creators are being wheedled out by a wave of do-gooder idiocy. Obviously, all of this means that the amount of crap content is also rising disproportionately and the purpose of the project is becoming so skewed as to be unrecognisable.

It feels as if we are succeeding neither at recruiting, retaining or rewarding, and that is a massive fail for a volunteer project. Of course, we're doing all three quite well among the hippy staffers in SanFran, recent changes in the Engineering dept. being the notable but justified exception. The next Manchester wikimeet should be held here as a symbol of the downward spiral.

So, sorry to see you go but, yes, I'm not surprised. - Sitush (talk) 01:44, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Sitush...much appreciated. Truth is my edits are way down due to work and that is not going to change near term. My username is loaded with baggage...some of which even I can't live down. My old FAs all need updates I cannot find the time to finish...and this latest issue has simply taken the wind out of my sails. Someday I may return but now is as good a time as ever to cease contributing. I think those that don't really know about my work here instead make a negative association if my username crops up...MONGO is incivil, MONGO was desysopped, etc. It's hard to live down older legacies especially if I still cause a commotion from time to time. So it's a combination of factors, but one person via email reminded me of something: the FAs I contributed to get hundreds of thousands of hits a month...so that's the legacy I take with me and it hasn't been time wasted. Best wishes.--MONGO 02:24, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

MONGO will still get the monthly beer delivery. MONGO has done good work. Irondome (talk) 02:38, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

MONGO, please reconsider. We need you more than ever. Best regards, David, David J Johnson (talk) 08:12, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

Sorry to see this, though I can't blame you. Tom Harrison ^Talk 11:49, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

Sorry to see this, but hey - take a breather and come back when you are rested and have some time. We'll miss you. Meanwhile, go out and enjoy the big sky. Vsmith (talk) 16:53, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/American politics 2 closed

This arbitration case has been closed and the final decision is available at the link above. The following remedies have been enacted:

1. Remedy 1 of the American Politics case is rescinded. In its place, the following is adopted: standard discretionary sanctions are authorized for all edits about, and all pages related to post-1932 politics of the United States and closely related people.
2. Ubikwit (talk · contribs) is banned from any page relating to or making any edit about post-1932 politics of the United States, and closely related people, in any namespace. This ban may be appealed no earlier than 18 months after its adoption.
3. MONGO (talk · contribs) is admonished for adding to the hostility in the topic area.

For the Arbitration Committee, L235 (t / c / ping in reply) via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 19:41, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

Discuss this at: Wikipedia talk:Arbitration Committee/Noticeboard#Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/American politics 2 closed

Retired

This user is no longer active on Wikipedia.

Regrets

I regret seeing this but I can't say I'm surprised. Civility and positive discrimination lunacy are increasingly in charge of this asylum, the noise ratio is increasing, and the proven content creators are being wheedled out by a wave of do-gooder idiocy. Obviously, all of this means that the amount of crap content is also rising disproportionately and the purpose of the project is becoming so skewed as to be unrecognisable.

It feels as if we are succeeding neither at recruiting, retaining or rewarding, and that is a massive fail for a volunteer project. Of course, we're doing all three quite well among the hippy staffers in SanFran, recent changes in the Engineering dept. being the notable but justified exception. The next Manchester wikimeet should be held here as a symbol of the downward spiral.

So, sorry to see you go but, yes, I'm not surprised. - Sitush (talk) 01:44, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Sitush...much appreciated. Truth is my edits are way down due to work and that is not going to change near term. My username is loaded with baggage...some of which even I can't live down. My old FAs all need updates I cannot find the time to finish...and this latest issue has simply taken the wind out of my sails. Someday I may return but now is as good a time as ever to cease contributing. I think those that don't really know about my work here instead make a negative association if my username crops up...MONGO is incivil, MONGO was desysopped, etc. It's hard to live down older legacies especially if I still cause a commotion from time to time. So it's a combination of factors, but one person via email reminded me of something: the FAs I contributed to get hundreds of thousands of hits a month...so that's the legacy I take with me and it hasn't been time wasted. Best wishes.--MONGO 02:24, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

MONGO will still get the monthly beer delivery. MONGO has done good work. Irondome (talk) 02:38, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

MONGO, please reconsider. We need you more than ever. Best regards, David, David J Johnson (talk) 08:12, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

Sorry to see this, though I can't blame you. Tom Harrison ^Talk 11:49, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

Sorry to see this, but hey - take a breather and come back when you are rested and have some time. We'll miss you. Meanwhile, go out and enjoy the big sky. Vsmith (talk) 16:53, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/American politics 2 closed

This arbitration case has been closed and the final decision is available at the link above. The following remedies have been enacted:

1. Remedy 1 of the American Politics case is rescinded. In its place, the following is adopted: standard discretionary sanctions are authorized for all edits about, and all pages related to post-1932 politics of the United States and closely related people.
2. Ubikwit (talk · contribs) is banned from any page relating to or making any edit about post-1932 politics of the United States, and closely related people, in any namespace. This ban may be appealed no earlier than 18 months after its adoption.
3. MONGO (talk · contribs) is admonished for adding to the hostility in the topic area.

For the Arbitration Committee, L235 (t / c / ping in reply) via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 19:41, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

Discuss this at: Wikipedia talk:Arbitration Committee/Noticeboard#Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/American politics 2 closed