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Nice to see you on wikipedia. I'm a kind of beginners here and I want you to ask a favor of you . If you don't mind , would you tell me how to get a permission for gen's profile photo before ,under the terms of the cc-by-sa-2.0? Did you request uploading of specia-net?

777reindeers (talk) 11:08, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

Hi, I'm not sure what your question is, please paraphrase or be more specific? Also I suggest you create your user page for future talks with fellow users. Takacchin10_10 (talk) 23:25, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for advising to create my own page. I'm going to do it a.s.a.p.

I'm asking about your edit that you changed photos of singer HoshinoGen on Oct 23,2017.

This time, I want to change the profile picture to recent 2019 award's one. But download pic is not available here on wiki, so i want to know a kind of tip like getting permission from the pic owner. I'm in Japan.It's OK if you need another way of talking like Email. 777reindeers (talk) 00:22, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

Hello, the file https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:GenHoshino2017.jpg was uploaded on Flickr by Space Shower, upon checking it seems like Space Shower deleted their account perhaps according to Flickr recent changes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flickr#Deletion_of_files_of_non-paying_users

I believe it would be impossible now to get anything recent unless Space Shower decides to do so for the next Space Shower Awards.

Please refer to https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Flickr_files so you can understand how Flickr works. Takacchin10_10 (talk) 12:25, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

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Edits on the article 'Sandaime J Soul Brothers'

Hello Takacchin10_10, thank you for the detailed description of your concerns and suggested improvements.

'The 'History' tab is meant to serve as a timeline of the activities and events surrounding the group. You went deep in detail about the themes and production aspects of the last single 'Fuyuzora/White Wings. Such shenaningans are not needed in the main article, if anything I strongly suggest you make a separate page for the single including a synopsis and music video section to include the information you wrote.' I completely agree with that. I just thought that it might be a nice touch mentioning the background behind the music videos for 'Fuyuzora' and 'White Wings', since it was one of the main promotional aspects of this single and a huge topic in Japanese media.

However there is one aspect of your corrections that is indeed disconcerting to me: While I agree that unnecessary details should be removed from the article, I noticed that you also deleted very important information, so that the textual coherence and flow of the article decreases in quality extremely. I don't know if English is your mother tongue, but as an English teacher I can't help but notice these issues. Another problem is that a lot of the deleted information I talked about is essential for the history of the groups since it had a huge media presence in Japan. I tried to attach original Japanese sources to all of my edits, as you might have noticed. Again, I don't know if you're fluent in Japanese or not, but as a native Japanese speaker residing in Japan I am pretty sure I can differentiate between important and unimportant information about the group. As an example, let's look at the digital single 'Rat-tat-tat': I've noticed you have deleted a huge amount of information I added for this specific single. You might have thought those information were just minor details, however they are crucial to understand the context of the impact on the group and its success this year. And that's why it fits into the 'History' tab, the information fulfills all the criteria you've mentioned before.

I try my best in translating original Japanese sources for international audiences, so I'd like to see my effort being a little more respected and valued. Your edits and deletions have a good intention, but sadly they become disruptive if you only focus on your own style, your own sentiments and own goals. A lot of different editors work on the same article, that's nothing outrageous or negative. I strongly suggest and advise you to take a look at the articles of other Exile Tribe groups.

I'd really love to come to a joint conclusion with you. Wikipedia is for editors to work together, not against each other or in a competition. Please contact me again so that we can work things out.

P.S.: it's spelled 'shenanigans' and 'paragraphs'

Kyugium (talk) 12:44, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

Kyugium (talk) 03:19, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

Hi, regarding the deletion of information you consider important I believe you're talking about Rat-tat-tat. Fret not, you can access your past edits via the archive tool. In case you don't know how to do this, I'll leave it below and I'll elaborate on why it was deemed unnecesary.

1. On September 18, it was announced that the group would release the digital single "Rat-tat-tat" on the next day. This surprise release happened after the song and its accompanying comical dance called "Zombie De Dance" or "Ratatat Dance" that were included in a commercial for Universal Studios Japan's time-limited event “Universal Surprise Halloween" went viral on social media. The commercial started airing on August 26 with Sandaime members Naoto and Kenjiro being ambassadors for it and quickly exceeded 500.000 views on the USJ website despite being on there only for a limited amount of time. The digital release of "Rat-tat-tat" was proven to be a great success by immediately taking the first spot on the iTunes single chart in Japan. Sandaime held the final concert of their 三代目 J SOUL BROTHERS LIVE TOUR 2019 “RAISE THE FLAG" dome tour on November 17, finishing the tour with a total number of 1.15 million attendees since its start in April. In the meantime, the momentum of "Rat-tat-tat" had not declined with the song and its dance becoming a hit on TikTok, exceeding 130 million views of videos posted with the hashtag "Ratatat Dance". For this reason a collaborative video of the song with popular manga series Fist of the North Star titled "Hokuto Ratatat Hyakuretsuken" was released on YouTube on November 27.

The description of the single's Rat tat dance being comical and called the zombie da dance and Kenjiro and Naoto being embassadors for the USJ commercial- Again, going too much into detail about the themes and promotion details of it. As of it "going viral" in social media, yes it became a trend on Tik-tok. But that's really it, it didn't really trend in any other social media platforms, like Twitter or Instagram, these being quite popular in Japan as well. If anything you should have specified this was on Tik-Tok or should have left a tag, followed by an update soon after. In other words, not viral on "social media", be more specific please.

I don't know if I would call the release "a huge success". The release dropped out of the Oricon streaming charts a while ago. It was at number 35, 73 and 156 in the Line Music, Apple Music and Spotify rankings respectively just this week. There are other songs which have performed much better in the charts and social media this year, for example Official Hige Dandism's Pretender, Masaki Suda's Machigai Sagashi or King Gnu's Hakujitsu just to name a few. My main concern is your use of words in a way that may hint a bias towards the group, it is better to keep it factual and let the numbers and stats talk.

On the same line, the mention of the collaborative video with Fist of the North Star is just of similar nature to that of CMs or tie up for past Sandaime releases, not something remarkable or worth considering in the history section at least, again if it was for a separate article for the single then by all means do include this information. In here you do mention Tik Tok and the trend but it comes way after the original mention and it turns the flow redundant for the paragraph involving Fist of the north star. Added to all of this, there was no spacing whatsoever so the flow of it is too narrow and long to read.

I did keep the information of the Raise The Flag tour finale as well as the attendees number and Rattattat's chart performace so there should be no issue there.

Please don't use the "other Exile Tribe groups" articles as reference, we write on a Wikipedia editorial basis, the scope of this article is far bigger and more resourced than those. Thanks for correcting my typos I don't particularly care if I make a few while talking to you here or somewhere else but if you did notice any on the main article, then please feel free to point them out or correct them. Thanks.

Takacchin10_10 (talk) 13:25, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

Hello Takacchin10_10,

I have to apologize for the late reply to your message, I had to focus in private matters during the winter holidays. I hope you were able to enjoy Christmas and New Years Eve too. Concerning the single 'Rat-Tat-Tat', I simply translated official articles from news sources such as Oricon, natalie and Nikkan Sports. Those are some of the biggest and most credible Japanese news outlets about the entertainment industry, thus I deem the content of their articles as important enough to be included in Wikipedia articles. Furthermore, the dance of the single indeed went viral on Twitter besides TikTok, there has been a tweet including a video of the dance that reached over 1 million views in less than 48 hours for example. The songs you've mentioned from other artists have indeed been much bigger hits in Japan this year and I apologize if my wording sounded biased towards the group, however the song 'Rat-Tat-Tat' has been the longest charting song of Sandaime J Soul Brothers on Billboard Japan in 2019. It's still considerably high on the charts (Top 30), as you can see in following sources: Besides taking the first spot on the iTunes Charts in Japan, I'm also very sure it ranked pretty high on the Oricon Charts too. However I need to do more research on this fact.

I completely agree with your argumentation about the mention of the collaborative video. It's not important enough to be written in the group's history and should rather be mentioned in the section of CMs and Tie-ups.

I like to compare the articles of "other Exile Tribe groups" mainly due to stylistic choices, I'd like for them to have some kind of synergy. If one article is much better written and/or more resourced than the others, then I won't change that of course. On the contrary, I'd like to use that article as a pattern for the others. However I'm accustomed from those "other Exile Tribe group" articles that the group's history is described in much bigger detail. Maybe that has to do with the fact that those groups don't have as much history as Sandaime J Soul Brothers.

Best Regards, Kyugium (talk) 02:46, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Kyugium (talk) 21:02, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for the good wishes I hope you enjoyed your holidays too. As far as the styling goes, it is great that you use reliable sources like Oricon, Nikkan Sports and Natalie, we wouldn't have it any other way so please continue to use these sites when appropriate but keep in mind, you're expected to 'adapt' it in a biographical way since we are documenting a group of people in this article. In other words, please don't "simply translate official sources" because sometimes journalistic pieces tend to be sensationalized or a bit too punchy. You said that it did actually go viral on Twitter. Can you back this statement with a reliable source other than the hashtag itself? If it was just one video that had a million views in two days, I don't think we can call that a trend. A lot of videos on Twitter can get that amount of views considering the company/celebrity or sponsor status of the post itself. If it didn't reach the trend page and wasn't reported by any major outlet, it might be better to leave this information out and stick with the tick tock one.

Regarding Rat-tat-tat ranking that high, well it's at #88 this week. Either way my point wasn't about how well it performed or not, getting number one on the iTunes chart is just routine for a group like Sandaime. I'd argue any act can rank well within the first month as long as the release week doesn't line up with other big groups. My point is that by normal standards, this isn't a "huge success" for the group, 'Yes we are' ranked higher at the end of the year in most charts as an example and it has better sales and stream figures than Rat-tat-tat. Now if you had said that the single was the longest ranking song by the group on Billboard that year, or that it stayed in the top 30 Billboard charts for x number of weeks, then yes that can be stated, it is factual and relevant to the single.

I don't want us to drag on for too long about the semantics of your editing reasonings and whatnot so I'm just going to get to the point. The removal stands because of the points that we already agreed on and the ones I just described to you. As I said before let's keep it factual and let the numbers talk, any highlight you might consider worth pointing out such as trending habits etc, it all needs to be sourced and named properly, it wasn't the case with your original edit.

I'd like to think your original contribution while not valid on its majority, it can be re-used and improved in a separate article for Rat-tat-tat. A lot of Sandaime singles lack pages of their own so it is worth the time. Let me know if you'd be interested in making such page or I'll make it myself at some point and proceed to delete the original quotation of your article from my user page.

Regarding the other Exile Tribe groups, I would recommend to treat and evaluate each group's article separately rather than trying to have them share this "synergy", simply because as you pointed out the other groups don't have as much history as Sandaime. Added to this, apart from Generations the rest of the Exile Tribe articles are 'Start-class' articles, so it wouldn't be wise to compare them since their editorial class are on a lesser level. If anything, the only thing they share in common are the actual agency and label. I don't think the fact that they are all marketed under the moniker of "from Exile Tribe" really gives them said synergy, it's just a branding method. Still, following your reasoning of a good article being used as a pattern, then the rest must indeed be improved, otherwise a synergy in writing is fundamentally impossible as of right now. Do I make sense with what I'm saying? They are not on the same editorial standing, can't be associated so easily. There isn't a need for synergies, if you use unnecessary forking techniques and it doesn't have a sensible ground of information relevant enough, sooner or later your contribution will be deleted. Please focus on each article individually and to the greatest extent that you can without comparing them to the rest for now, at least.

Thank you.

Takacchin10_10 (talk) 23:05, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

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Hi, I am not sure what you mean I don't have admin privileges on this account, I don't see any admin tags on my profile either. What icon did you mean again? Takacchin10 10 (talk) 03:57, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi again, pardon me you're right I was on mobile so I couldn't see it. I copy-pasted my profile info from my older account's user page where I was an admin, forgot about the admin category sorry. By the way, I've seen you started to review the Sandaime J Soul Brothers article, thank you for doing so. As you may have noticed a merger was just done with new content to be sourced. I also intend to make a separate page for the discography which I haven't done yet. For the time being, if you could let me know any specific segments needing sources I'd be greatful for that. Thank you. Takacchin10 10 (talk) 04:24, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

No worries. The review so far can be found at Talk:Sandaime J Soul Brothers/GA1 and I mention these things. The lack of sourcing is in the history section and is probably the result of the merge. The Discography section should be separated, maybe keep some of the main titles here (call it selected discography if you want). Add some prose to these sections, even if it is an introductory sentence, so we don't jump straight into a table. Just ping me there or drop a note at my talk page when you are ready for me to finish the review. AIRcorn (talk) 05:18, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

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