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The result was delete. Fenix down (talk) 06:40, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Aaron Molloy

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Fails WP:NSOCCER. Has not played a single match at professional level. SK2242 (talk) 23:44, 27 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. SK2242 (talk) 23:44, 27 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. SK2242 (talk) 23:44, 27 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ireland-related deletion discussions. SK2242 (talk) 23:44, 27 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm really not all that fussed about this article since he's a rookie in a fully pro league and a MLS first round draft pick and would have played but for covid. That being said the fact the article references his LinkedIn page while also failing WP:GNG (none of the sources pass that line I don't think) is a red flag. This is the best source I found and it's mostly an interview and has a plug for his podcast at the end, and there's a bunch of national Irish MLS draft pick related coverage - if he were playing it'd probably be fine to keep. Not entirely sure what to suggest here, it's sort of a twilight zone notable article. SportingFlyer T·C 00:32, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
User:NoahRiffe, I believe the League of Ireland First Division and the USL League Two are not professional leagues (The latter is a development league). Furthermore, the cup games won’t count because they have to be 2 teams in fully professional leagues, which Reading United isn’t. SK2242 (talk) 11:14, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Furthermore I’m not sure why you created the exact same page in user/draft space and submitted it. SK2242 (talk) 11:17, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
User:SK2242The club he played for Drogheda United FC has had appearances in the UEFA Champions League, it's a second div league, just like the USL Championship. My apologies for editing and then creating I honestly messed that up, was not my intention to submit both. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NoahRiffe (talk • contribs) 18:00, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
User:SK2242 Here is a link to see the tiers of football play out in Ireland Republic of Ireland football league system
  • Strong delete Has not played a game. The fact that if he had played a game he would then be considered notable is a clear sign we have way too low a standard for notability. However he does not meet that standard, we do not create articles on the assumption people will become notable.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:29, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. GiantSnowman 16:16, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]


User:Johnpacklambert & User:GiantSnowman Let me just talk a bit out what you said here.
  • Has not played a game: He played 14 matches for Drogheda United FC a professional side in the League of Ireland First Division. ref here ->Republic of Ireland football league system. Because of COVID the league was postponed but he is still on the active roster for Portland Timbers 2.
  • fails GNG and NFOOTBALL: According to Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Notability he checks both of these boxes "Players are deemed notable if they meet any of the criteria below: Have played for a fully professional club at a national level of the league structure. This must be supported by evidence from a reliable source on a club by club basis for teams playing in leagues that are not recognised as being fully professional. Have played in a competitive fixture between two fully professional clubs in a domestic, Continental or Intercontinental club competition." For GNG he passes the "Significant coverage", I am working on adding more news articles about him. "Reliable", Sourced from leagues MLS, USL, PDL, state newspapers and more. "Independent of the subject", I removed all sources directly connected to the subject. "Presumed", He was a top draft pick in the MLS Superdraft, he is linked in multiple other wiki articles he just doesn't have his own page.

Best, NoahRiffe (talk) 18:13, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The source you gave me doesn’t mention the word "professional" anywhere. In fact it seems none of the Irish football league system is professional. SK2242 (talk) 18:48, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know much about Irish football, but I seem to recall this fact that it lakes any fully professional component being discussed elsewhere.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:59, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Players who play in Ireland fail the WP:NFOOTY presumption but can still pass WP:GNG. Furthermore, Molloy is currently on a team which would pass WP:NFOOTY if he made an appearance, and has national Irish coverage along with a smattering of US coverage for WP:GNG. A classic edge case, exacerbated by the lack of football being played. SportingFlyer T·C 19:10, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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