Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bergen Commuter Rail

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎. On the whole there seems to be a rough consensus to delete this as not being a real thing, but without prejudice towards a recreation as a redirect. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 21:43, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bergen Commuter Rail

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There exists no such entity as "Bergen Commuter Rail". Neither reference in the article mentions this fictitious entity, and a quick web search only returns Wikipedia articles, mirrors, and blogs that are most likely WP:CITOGENESIS. No Norwegian public body mentions this term on their website. The railway line between Bergen and Voss is documented at Voss Line. The service between Bergen and Arna is known as the L 4 line, and between Bergen, Voss, and Myrdal, as the R 40. Official route map. -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 22:07, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Transportation and Norway. -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 22:07, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: At first I thought this could be the result of a poor translation, but it does seem to be entirely fabricated. The sources provided do not support the claims either (the annual ridership claim never appears in the provided source, for example). ThadeusOfNazereth(he/him)^{Talk to Me!} 00:54, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Does this fall into WP:G3 territory? Esolo5002 (talk) 03:51, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please avoid verging into a Wikipedia:Personal attack on the creator. It is obvious that the article was created in good faith. Geschichte (talk) 08:19, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
To be clear, this article was created in 2008 by a very productive user. It clearly represents a good-faith effort to write about the local and regional train routes ending at Bergen, but grouping them together like this isn't actually supported by anything. In fact, the supposed Norwegian name, Vossebanen, is actually just the name of the Voss Line. -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 08:24, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Whether or not this article was created in good faith is irrelevant. If it's fabricated, it should be speedy deleted as a hoax. I didn't say anything about the original creator (in fact I asked a question) so I'm not sure how this could be percieved as an attack. Esolo5002 (talk) 18:50, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Esolo's comment is nowhere near a personal attack. ThadeusOfNazereth(he/him)^{Talk to Me!} 19:53, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Move to Vossebanen They do call the service "Vossebanen" per the image in this news article, but it's clear the supposed English name is a creation of the creator. But that is a surmountable problem via page move. Once links to the Bergen Commuter Rail are fixed to the correct name I'm not opposed to deleting the redirect after. Jumpytoo Talk 03:26, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, the trains that (mostly) run on the Voss Line have the Norwegian name of the line painted on them. They are also used between Bergen and Arna, and on low-demand departures between Bergen and Oslo. This does not mean that these routes together form some sort of commuter rail system, as the article implies. There also really isn't anything in this article worth saving at the moment:

The lead, as discussed, conflates the R 40 (Bergen–Voss–Myrdal) and L 4 (Bergen–Arna) routes. This is just wrong and arguably enough of a reason to delete the article.
§ Service is a combination of WP:NOT content (the exact schedules are variable and do not belong in an encyclopedia) and content that belongs in other articles. The information about the routes belongs at Rail transport in Norway § Passenger services, and possibly Bergen Line. The paragraph about financing belongs at Vy or Rail transport in Norway as, again, this is not a separate commuter rail system, but simply a conflation of two normal passenger services. The information about fare integration is first of all wrong, and also of questionable encyclopedic relevance; fare integration is the result of ad hoc agreements between the different providers and not managed by any common organization, and is thus subject to arbitrary changes.
§ Station list and § Future expansion are already at Bergen Line, as they should.

-- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 10:44, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think these are surmountable problems that don't require deletion and can be fixed from just editing (ex. fixing the lead, change Service to be less of a timetable). But I'm also fine with moving then immediately redirecting to Bergen Line as an intern measure. I always prefer to retain the history if possible, as it makes a possible future article easier to create & allows for merging of any mergeable content Jumpytoo Talk 15:51, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting to see if this page title should be a Redirect whether or not it moved to a current redirect Vossebanen
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:08, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Voss Line: which is the target of the Vossebanen redirect. I'm not sure I see the point in moving this page to a title that is Norwegian for "Voss Line". Owen× ☎ 21:31, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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