Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Charles Ayo

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The result was keep. j⚛e decker ^talk 00:05, 10 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Charles Ayo

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Proposed by another user but it was not transcluded. Why should I have a User Name? (talk) 09:53, 2 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: fails WP:GNG. Possible WP:COI policy violation confirmed here [1] where the article creator clearly dislosed to be an Alumni of Covenant University where the subject is a vice chancellor. Perhaps he created it for his vice chancellor. Wikicology (talk) 10:20, 2 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep: Subject clearly meets WP:ACADEMIC which clearly states that Individuals who have held the highest position in a university are regarded as notable. Both primary and secondary references are present in the article. I must also say that the article requires expansion. Darreg (talk) 11:40, 2 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Darreg, re the summary to this edit, please note: alumni - plural; alumnus - masculine, singular; alumna - feminine, singular. But I have to admit that there are thousands of others who make the same mistake. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 11:56, 2 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep but improve the references. Professors are deemed automatically notable and I place a vice-chancellor one rank above a professor. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 11:56, 2 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Nigeria-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 11:57, 2 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Computing-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 11:57, 2 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: been a vice chancellor only passed criteria 6 of WP:ACADEMIC.

It has not passed the other criteria. As a matter of fact, we can't ignore the other criteria. WP:GNG and the guildlines of wikipedia articles of WP:BLPs are not based on passing only one criterion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikicology (talk • contribs) 12:26, 2 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per Darreg & RHaworth - I'll admit The article needs expanding quite alot but that can be done anyday, Passes ACADEMIC. –Davey2010 • (talk) 14:46, 2 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comment on some of the above !votes: ACADEMIC is met if just one of the criteria is met, it is not necessary that all are met. And professors certainly are not automatically notable, that's why we have ACADEMIC. If vice-chancelor is the highest position at this particular university, then ACADEMIC is met. (And it would be several ranks above professor, in fact: prof -> head of department -> head of faculty -> head of university). --Randykitty (talk) 14:52, 2 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep—~~Genuinely undecided here~~. Here's what I've found out.

Covenant University is not what I would consider to be a "major academic institution", and the relevant criteria at WP:ACADEMIC reads: The person has held a highest-level elected or appointed academic post at a major academic institution or major academic society.
Covenant University has only been around for twelve years, and the administration appears to be more concerned with Chapel attendance than education.
Nigerian Gov't considers it to be 13th best university in Nigeria.
Per Google Scholar, Charles Ayo published his first paper in 2005 and has only garnered 335 citations and an h-index of 11 (i.e., 11 papers that have been cited 11 or more times). That's a reasonable record for a new faculty member, but not for a full professor or department head.
However, Ayo's bio has him as the "Head of Computer and Information Sciences Department".
The Vice Chancellor post may not be an academic one. Note that there are two Deputy Vice Chancellor posts, one for administration and one for academics. That said, the person holding the academic DVC post has an even less impressive record.

I'm going to assume that "major academic institution" was to prevent the staff of Jim-Bob's Creation University and Bait Shack from getting en.WP articles. We're a couple of steps up from that, but not much more. I could see a WP:Systemic Bias argument for allowing the article, but that's not an argument I'm comfortable making. Lesser Cartographies (talk) 16:29, 2 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

After discussing this with a more experienced editor, I think that keep is within the spirit of WP:ACADEMIC. Lesser Cartographies (talk) 04:50, 4 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Lesser Cartographies: thank you for the great work. Its annoying when highly experienced editors don't do a proper check for article before before leaving a comment or vote here. Often times they comment and vote based on existing comment or vote without any good checking.Wikicology (talk) 21:58, 2 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep. Professors are not generally notable, but vice-chancellors are. A clear pass of WP:PROF#C6 (since Covenant University is an accredited university in Nigeria), and I cannot understand why this was nominated. Note that WP:PROF requires only a single criterion to be met. -- 101.117.110.137 (talk) 10:52, 5 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Apart from passing WP:PROF#C6, a strong case can also be made for WP:GNG, based on news coverage within Nigeria. -- 101.117.3.229 (talk) 23:40, 5 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, demonstrated notability. Cheers and Thanks, L235-Talk Ping when replying 03:36, 9 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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