Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jeff Phelps
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep. J04n(talk page) 17:26, 28 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Not notable. Fails WP:BIO. Local sports broadcaster. Lack of in-depth and significant coverage from independent, reliable sources. Levdr1lostpassword / talk 15:51, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Withdrawn by nominator Vjmlhds has found a reliable, independent source verifying subject's notability based on WP:ANYBIO #1 -- specifically, NSSA's singular "Ohio Broadcaster of the Year" award (1994). "Well-known and significant" enough, in my view, to establish notability. Levdr1lostpassword / talk 04:37, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ohio-related deletion discussions. Levdr1lostpassword / talk 16:14, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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- You have got to be kidding. I had it deleted last time and I am certainly not going have it deleted for the second time. I have tried to look for sources for it and maybe I will look for more sources in order to make it notable. Ashbeckjonathan 16:10, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
- Keep I do not see any reason why this article for deletion. I don't care how hard I try, I am going to try harder than my best to find a reliable source on this article. I say keep. Ashbeckjonathan 19:42, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
- Please note that this nomination does not necessarily have to do with a lack of sources within the article. It has more to do with a general lack of "significant coverage" online and elsewhere. Passing references to the subject's role as a host/announcer at sporting events do not establish notability. Levdr1lostpassword / talk 16:19, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. (edit conflict) Erm, he's won a notable award (three times in fact). Thus he passes WP:ANYBIO criterion 1. King Jakob C2 16:24, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Presumably, he has won *local* Emmy awards. These sound more "well-known and significant" than they are, merely because they have "Emmy" in the name. Levdr1lostpassword / talk 16:27, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Moreover, per WP:BIO, and in response to WP:ANYBIO #1: "... meeting one or more does not guarantee that a subject should be included." Levdr1lostpassword / talk 18:51, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- An Emmy is an Emmy...it's nothing to sneeze at whether at the national or local level (talk) Vjmlhds 16:36, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- There's Emmy Awards, and then there's Regional Emmy Awards. Phelps won local awards in 1991 (out 54 winners in Cleveland market alone), 1993 (out of 41 winners in Cleveland), and 1999 (out of 26 winners in Cleveland). Also consider that there were winners from multiple other markets in the same chapter, and that currently, there are 19 other regional chapters handing out local awards. So, no, Jeff Phelps' three local Emmy awards are nowhere near as "well-known and significant" as, say, Bryan Cranston's three Emmy awards. Levdr1lostpassword / talk 17:04, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Feran, Tom (June 9, 1991). "WKYC is tops again in Local Emmy competition". The Plain Dealer.
- Feran, Tom (June 6, 1993). "Carl Monday of TV-8, WKYC top Local Emmys". The Plain Dealer.
- "Indianapolis TV station dominates Emmys". The Plain Dealer. June 13, 1999.
- I never said National Emmy = Regional Emmy. Obviously it's apples and oranges. All I said was don't just poo-poo a Regional Emmy like it doesn't mean anything. (talk) Vjmlhds 17:48, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm not "poo-pooing" anything. You said "An Emmy is an Emmy". I merely pointed out that, considering how numerous they are for a single TV market like Cleveland (let alone the broader regional chapter), Local/Regional Emmys aren't particularly unique or significant. I really don't see how individual Local/Regional Emmy awards, like those given to Phelps, are particularly notable. Levdr1lostpassword / talk 18:51, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Either way, the other two awards (apparently on a statewide level and only given to a few dozen people total [not per year]) should confer notability. King Jakob C2 23:19, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm only seeing one non-Local-Emmy award. Depends on how "well-known and significant" this "Ohio Sportscaster of the Year" award is; and as of right now, the only verification is the subject's own online bio. I'd be more likely to conclude this national award establishes notability if a reliable and independent source verifies that Phelps was awarded this in 1994. Levdr1lostpassword / talk 23:41, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Well, here it is straight from the National Sportscasters and Sportswriters Association, verifying Phelps' 1994 Ohio Sportscaster of the Year Award. (talk) Vjmlhds 04:24, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm only seeing one non-Local-Emmy award. Depends on how "well-known and significant" this "Ohio Sportscaster of the Year" award is; and as of right now, the only verification is the subject's own online bio. I'd be more likely to conclude this national award establishes notability if a reliable and independent source verifies that Phelps was awarded this in 1994. Levdr1lostpassword / talk 23:41, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Either way, the other two awards (apparently on a statewide level and only given to a few dozen people total [not per year]) should confer notability. King Jakob C2 23:19, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm not "poo-pooing" anything. You said "An Emmy is an Emmy". I merely pointed out that, considering how numerous they are for a single TV market like Cleveland (let alone the broader regional chapter), Local/Regional Emmys aren't particularly unique or significant. I really don't see how individual Local/Regional Emmy awards, like those given to Phelps, are particularly notable. Levdr1lostpassword / talk 18:51, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- I never said National Emmy = Regional Emmy. Obviously it's apples and oranges. All I said was don't just poo-poo a Regional Emmy like it doesn't mean anything. (talk) Vjmlhds 17:48, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- There's Emmy Awards, and then there's Regional Emmy Awards. Phelps won local awards in 1991 (out 54 winners in Cleveland market alone), 1993 (out of 41 winners in Cleveland), and 1999 (out of 26 winners in Cleveland). Also consider that there were winners from multiple other markets in the same chapter, and that currently, there are 19 other regional chapters handing out local awards. So, no, Jeff Phelps' three local Emmy awards are nowhere near as "well-known and significant" as, say, Bryan Cranston's three Emmy awards. Levdr1lostpassword / talk 17:04, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- An Emmy is an Emmy...it's nothing to sneeze at whether at the national or local level (talk) Vjmlhds 16:36, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Phelps has more meat on the bone resume/crediatials wise than Pawlowski (decade of being lead sports anchor for the CBS affiliate, daily host on an NFL flagship radio station, Ohio Sportscaster of the Year, Ohio Broadcasting Hall of Famer). Sources for notablily can always be found with some digging (talk) Vjmlhds 16:38, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- By all means, dig away. Now is the time to establish notability. If you are certain that sufficient reliable, independent sources can establish the subject's notabilty, then please provide them. I myself already performed a thorough online search via Google news, books, etc., to find any evidence of "significant coverage", and I couldn't find any (incidentally, I contacted you about this yesterday after you asked for my input [1]). Levdr1lostpassword / talk 17:11, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment about regional awards: I didn't know such awards were issued, ergo unless I'm much more ignorant than the average person, they are not "notable awards" in the WP:ANYBIO sense of the word. Comment about using a source - even a reliable one - which just says "he won 3 Emmy Awards" without clarification will lead readers to slap a "disputed" tag or some equivalent challenging the source's accuracy (even reliable, reputable sources sometimes get the facts wrong). Therefore, IF these local Emmys are restored they should cite s reliable source which clearly indicates the circumstances of the Emmy, including who gave it, the year, what it was won for, etc. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 19:19, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete None of the references on the article are anything other than passing mentions. There was some content on awards, but it was unreferenced and even if it was, was of questionable use in vetting notability. A TV announcer that is strictly local is just notable. Even if he has actually won a local Emmy wouldn't change that. Saw nothing in a Gnews search other than the passing mentions already on the article...and a check of the Ohio broadcasting Hall of fame did not turn up his name. Fails WP:ANYBIO Gtwfan52 (talk) 22:43, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- See to it, I will completely disagree with this part on the delete; I don't care what you say. If it is deleted, I am going to keep trying to bring notability to it. I see keep. Some of the other users say keep. Ashbeckjonathan 23:33, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
- Keep. The "Ohio Sportscaster of the Year" and the "Ohio Broadcasting Hall of Fame" honors are fairly impressve and the CBS article about his awards is a good source. Spanneraol (talk) 23:39, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Spanneraol, are you aware that the CBS citation is not a news story from CBS but his Bio as their employee? It is not independent and most likely not vetted in any way as it is not a news story. And I found no mention of one of the awards that article claimed he had gotten on the organization that awards its website. That, to me brings the whole bio into question. see here. Gtwfan52 (talk) 04:36, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. The best article I have created is Adam Amin and I think that you win the Ohio Sportscaster of the Year, that makes him notibility for Wikipedia. Ashbeckjonathan 02:42, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
- You have already shared your recommendation. Levdr1lostpassword / talk 02:48, 27 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- I know that already. Why do you keep saying that? I think it's about time to make a decision whether to keep it or not. Ashbeckjonathan 14:55, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
- You have already shared your recommendation. Levdr1lostpassword / talk 02:48, 27 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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