Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/July 1757 Heatwave

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The result was keep. ansh 666 09:22, 26 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

July 1757 Heatwave

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Can't really find coverage of this topic. Even if I could, it's doubtful that this event would be notable enough to warrant an article. Wikipedia is not a database for previous years weather. Sulfurboy (talk) 15:16, 13 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 17:32, 13 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 17:32, 13 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Nobody is writing about this particular heatwave because it's not notable, even if there was a heatwave at that time and place. Chris Troutman (talk) 17:46, 13 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
~~Keep~~ ~~Neutral~~ Keep. Article need improvement. 1757 was the hottest recorded summer until 2003 (A 1 in 500 years event) as may be seen in this wapo source [1]. We do have an article on 2003 European heat wave. We have other period weather record events, eg Great Frost of 1709. From a quick before there are quite a few sources on 1757. The article is 1 day old, give the creator time for this notable subject, deletion is not cleanup.Icewhiz (talk) 17:57, 13 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Where are the "quite a few sources" to which you refer? I searched and found nothing of substance. Also, WP:REALPROBLEM. Chris Troutman (talk) 18:05, 13 September 2017 (UTC) Struck vote due to article state.Icewhiz (talk) 09:28, 14 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

You do realize this was AFDed within an hour of creation? unfinished houses, indeed. Some sources: [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] [13] [14] [15] [16].Icewhiz (talk) 18:55, 13 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to add in the sources and fix the article go for it. Otherwise it needs to either be deleted or moved to a draft page and go through AfC. Clear case of WP:REALPROBLEM as mentioned before. It shouldn't have gone in the mainspace without sourcing or better context. There's sources like AfC for a reason. Sulfurboy (talk) 20:13, 13 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

One sentence, unreferenced, and a huge table of entirely uncontextualized raw primary data is not what makes an acceptable Wikipedia article. Somebody needs to write a proper article, describing the subject, providing context, demonstrating its notability with references to substantial coverage (someone needs to have written specifically about the 1757 heat wave, not just mentioned it in passing as appears to be the case with your long list of citations), and removing the raw data, or I am going to vote to delete as well. Agricolae (talk) 20:30, 13 September 2017 (UTC) No attempt at improvement in the interim, so Delete. Agricolae (talk) 22:33, 16 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Seeing the article creator (and it seems this is his sole contribution) isn't making any more changes, and the article is in a sad state, and I'm not taking this particular article up for improvement (not my typical field) - I am withdrawing my vote. I do think the subject is notable, but it needs work - willing to change my vote if someone does a HEY.Icewhiz (talk) 09:28, 14 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Modified vote above to K, per user:Milowent's WP:HEY.Icewhiz (talk) 19:24, 21 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of France-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 15:32, 14 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Europe-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 15:58, 14 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Expand into a proper article, or rather keep but tag for that. If this was the hottest month until 2003, it is noteworthy, but it needs considerably more context. This is not a case where an inadequate article requires TNT. Peterkingiron (talk) 14:01, 17 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 13:19, 20 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: The links posted by Icewhiz convince me a suitable article can be written on a notable subject here, let's just work on it; sort of reminds me of the Brescia explosion of 1769, which when I ran across the subject, was quite surprised did not have an article. It is harder, but writing about 18th century events like this is definitely feasible. The article should be moved to something with "heat wave" in the title, not "Heatwave", after closure.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 12:50, 21 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I've enjoyed spending some time on this, fascinating stuff. So I've added some text and references. Someone with better French skills than I could also add sources about the "canicule" of 1757. And this is pretty cool -- "canicule", the French word for heat wave, derives from the Latin "canis" for dog, i.e., dog days, because the Greeks and Romans noticed that Sirius, the Dog Star, appears at the hottest time of the year. I never knew that, I just always assumed the phrase had to do with dogs panting on hot days!--Milowent • ^hasspoken 15:05, 21 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - If the article was in the sorry state it was in before Milowent came along, I would have voted delete. However, they have created an entry that is actually useful to the encyclopedia and demonstrates the noteworthiness of the topic.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 01:22, 22 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, TheGracefulSlick! It was fun to research. When people can write whole books about the summer of 1816, I figured I could find some nuggets.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 16:46, 22 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep – Meets GNG per a source review. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 20:09, 22 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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