Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marathi nationalism (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. (non-admin closure) DavidLeighEllis (talk) 02:49, 12 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Marathi nationalism

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Article is WP:OR. Google search shows nothing, book search is also shows nothing. Actually this article talks about "regionalism" and not about "nationalism". Human3015^TALK 21:30, 29 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Human3015^TALK 21:31, 29 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 22:51, 29 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep A random check of a few of the many sources shows reliable, significant sources. Thisisnotatest (talk) 07:05, 30 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 05:22, 5 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Amending Previous Keep Adding: Review of possible English sources is insufficient. Need to have review of non-English sources to avoid WP:BIAS Thisisnotatest (talk) 08:30, 6 January 2016 (UTC) (updated to resolve dispute below over how this item is to be labeled Thisisnotatest (talk) 08:05, 8 January 2016 (UTC))[reply]

@Thisisnotatest: You can't vote twice. Anyway, here you are also accepting that English sources do not talk about this thing and they are insufficient. There are no sources in Marathi language also. I know Marathi language. If you want proof that I know Marathi language then read article Manav Vikas Mission where I used all Marathi sources. So trust me there is no sources in other languages too. There is nothing called "Marathi Nationalism" but there is "Marathi regionalism" within India. And every state of India has such regionalism. Thank you.--Human3015^TALK 08:42, 6 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Conceptual tangent about the nature of straw polls Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 22:11, 7 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Human3015: AfD is not a vote, it's a discussion. I would have updated my original comment except that the Admin said to put all new comments below the relist announcement. I also made no attempt to hide that it was the same person commenting; in fact I called attention to it. You are welcome to assert that you know Marathi; you don't have to prove it to me. It is good to know that Marathi sources have been searched, however, often editors will assert there are no English sources, then somebody else comes up with English sources, so the fact that you've searched is not a guarantee that there are no Marathi sources. That still leaves many other Indian languages that may have sources which have discussed the issue and need to be searched. And don't ever mess with my comment by altering it; that's a violation of Wikipedia policy. Thisisnotatest (talk) 08:59, 6 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Thisisnotatest: If AfD is "discussion" and not "voting" then why you are voting twice? Voting twice is violation of policy. But lets not discuss on that. I can only tell you that there are no sources in other Indian languages too. Along with Marathi I also know Hindi, Bengali, Urdu, Punjabi.--Human3015^TALK 09:06, 6 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Thisisnotatest: And if you want to make 2nd or 3rd comment in any AfD in addition to your original comment then you should use Comment instead of Keep, Delete etc. One person can vote only once. (Do you vote twice in your local elections?) As a nominator of this AfD I am also not suppose to vote on this AfD. --Human3015^TALK 09:18, 6 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Human3015: I don't vote twice in elections and I don't vote at all on AfD's because a Keep, Delete, or whatever is not a vote, it's a recommendation. I did not try to hide that I was making both recommendations, so no foul play is occurring. The point of putting Keep on a particular recommendation is so that it is clear that it is an argument for keeping, not an argument for deleting. If I just marked it Comment it wouldn't be clear at all that I was putting it forth as an argument for keeping the article.

As for policy, it's clear that if I were commenting on the same reason for keeping and marked that Keep, it would be against instructions on how to interact with AfD. However, raising two unrelated reasons is not covered. The only reason this even came up is because in the time between when I thought of my first reason and when I thought of my second reason, someone posted a notice not to post anything above that notice, so I couldn't update my original notice. Otherwise, I would have just updated my original comment to show both reasons. (And I can't copy my first reason to my second reason and delete the first because the admin has already considered it.)

I'll post a question in the Village Pump (policy) for discussion as to how I would appropriately handle my second reason. In the meantime, I have flagged my second Keep as possibly being improperly noted so that nobody is confused by it. Thisisnotatest (talk) 06:12, 7 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Thisisnotatest: You can ask question at WP:Teahouse/Questions for quick answer. Anyway, what about article? Do you found any credible source? You can amend your vote to "delete" if you want. Because there are no sources.--Human3015^TALK 06:29, 7 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Human3015: I'm not seeking a quick answer; I'm seeking a clarification and discussion of Wikipedia policy that we seem to be in disagreement over. I have posted it for discussion at the Village Pump (policy) XfD: Delayed raising of a second reason to delete or keep as it is a policy issue. While I do need to assume good faith on your part for making the recommendations you are making, I'm not sure why I would follow the recommendations of someone who is willing to alter my comments (by striking out the Keep that you dispute). Thisisnotatest (talk) 06:46, 7 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Thisisnotatest: I am sure you will get same reply there that I already said to you. Best Luck.--Human3015^TALK 07:04, 7 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per the previous AfD, in which this Books search was used to show the prominence of Marathi nationalism in reliable sources. What there is confusion about (and I agree) is whether this article describes a topic which is different from Marathi regionalism. I'm not able to comment on this, they appear to be synonyms to me. I find the arguments about nationalism vs. regionalism incoherent and it's not my area of expertise. But AfD is not cleanup; it's a notable topic, it should stay. Note that we had a separate Marathi regionalism article which seems to have been merged here some years after the previous discussion. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 22:28, 7 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and possibly rename While the article definitely needs to be cleaned up and trimmed and its sources do need to be checked and verified and some replaced, the topic seems notable enough that some form of it should stay, perhaps it might have to be renamed under the suggested name "Marathi regionalism" or some other name. — Abrahamic Faiths (talk) 23:57, 9 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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