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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. David Gerard (talk) 18:45, 16 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Marshall Inu

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Simply put, this article does not meet the WP:GNG or any other notability standard. There is just not enough significant coverage in reliable, independent sources to justify an article. Most sources are unreliable crypto sites or not independent. I nominated it for WP:PROD, but this was contested by the page creator. Despite slight improvements to the article, the topic is still not notable. —Ganesha811 (talk) 01:42, 25 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep meets 

WP:GNG per the significant coverage (Wikipedia:One hundred words) in multiple independent reliable sources. Also meets significant impact as per WP:ORGSIG: Subject is demonstrably notable as a pioneer in its space and has had a significant impact on culture of MMA, sports/athletics, economies. The subject is addressing an important issue (MMA fighters pay), and has received significant reliable independent coverage from many MMA sources. As an MMA fan, the article describes the first cryptocurrency to use blockchain contracts to pay MMA fighters and I beleive deleting it would do a disservice to others interested in this topic. We can continue to expand sourcing, here is what I have found so far, significant sports coverage from The Portugal News [1]], Marca Newspaper [2], Sportskeeda [3], MMA Fighting [4], MMA Mania [5], Front Office Sports [6][7], Overtime Heroics [8], Essentially Sports [9], Calfkicker [10], Combat Press [11], and Yahoo! Finance [12]. For organizations as per WP:ORGSIG, when evaluating the notability of organizations or products, “we need consider whether they have had any significant or demonstrable effects on culture, society, entertainment, athletics, economies, history, literature, science, or education.” And we are able to demonstrate that the subject has had a significant impact on the MMA/sports culture, athletics and economies with the substantial amounts given to fighters (millions of USD), and the way these sums are being generated (by sports fans buying into the idea and buying with real-life money the currency and contributing at to addressing the UFC pay issue of their favourite UFC fighter.) In my experience as a longtime fan of Martial arts, I have never witnessed such a disruption of a space so quickly like they did.

 One of MMA’s top analyst Ariel Helwani stated he’s never seen anything or anyone unionize fighters like this.[13]

. We can also observed MMA fighters slowly learning about crypto in order to have a chance at getting paid by Marshall Inu, as per Combat Press [14], the subject has a team of people that actually goes on the phone with the fighters and teaches them how to create a crypto wallet. This is unprecedented in the Mixed Martial Arts. Subject has been helping mitigate the well documented issue of UFC#Lawsuits over contractual treatment of fighters [15] by awarding fighters millions of dollars in monetary sponsorships. So much that Top ranked fighters such as Bryce Mitchell said the subject is his biggest sponsor (very shocking for top ranked fighter from a multi billion dollar company [16]). Strong keep, certainly not because I created it, but because the article is actually well sourced and pertinent for the ecosystem of MMA/crypto for its real life implications. There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Marshall Inu to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline. Lethweimaster (talk) 04:19, 25 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. This four-month-old memecoin fails WP:GNG. The sourcing is unreliable, being predominantly crypto blogs, self-published sources, sources with no editorial oversight, and paid posts from sponsors. I removed some of the copyright violations, but the article has little salvageable content, with statements like "On 27 May, 2022, Marshall Inu jumped nearly 70% in value in 24 hours, after announcing it was removing its buy-tax in perpetuity." sourced to a tweet from their own Twitter account, which doesn't even verify the statement. gobonobo + c 13:05, 25 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank you for your latest contribution, you seem to imply that "this four months old meme coin" is not notable because of its lifespan. Thankfully we don't measure notability with time, there is very old subject that are not notable as well as things that become notable overnight. That's why we have guidelines. Self published article/or paid post have been removed. The sourcing is no longer predominantly from crypto blogs, but is now mostly from MMA/sports websites. I strongly disagree with being little salvageable content and I do think the sourcing now meets WP:GNG. I agree we should be prudent with crypto news website/blogs, but there is numerous reliable independent sources from MMA websites (listed higher) demonstrating that the subject has had significant impact in his space and MMA culture, for both the fighters and fans, regardless of how long since its creation. For the statement you are referring too: "On 27 May, 2022, Marshall Inu jumped nearly 70% in value in 24 hours, after announcing it was removing its buy-tax in perpetuity" (The Twitter reference was solely for the "buy-tax removal" only. The "70% surge" could have been referenced with a Dextools link), regardless this section has now been removed. It was initially added figured because I've seen similar sentences on the Dogecoin article Dogecoin#History: "In January 2021, Dogecoin went up over 800% in 24 hours, attaining a price of $0.07 [...]" and also on Shiba Inu (cryptocurrency): "The exchange price of the cryptocurrency notably surged in early October 2021. Its value increased 240% over the week". In my recent edit, I reformulated the first sentence in Marshall Inu#History about the price surge which is now very similar with what has been accepted on Shiba Inu, please refer to Marshall Inu#History: In February 2022, the exchange price of the cryptocurrency increased by 262% in one week. I sourced it with [17] from Kalkine Media LLC an independent stock market media house from USA. I also added MMA coverage on the subject from Sportskeeda. Amid the recent massive cleanup, I would request everyone to give a second read on the article. I have learned a lot in my first article for deletion process, the tone I initially used was not encyclopedic. Lethweimaster (talk) 14:46, 25 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete A coin named after Joe Rogan's dog. Good grief. Lethweimaster, forum shopping is generally discouraged but as you asked for my input here it is: this article is marginalia/trivia and poorly sourced. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 04:31, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I asked your input which is very non-bias seeking of myself since you seemed highly disapproving of Pawthereum. Thank you, I simply wanted the discussion to keep moving as it was stagnating, but I will abstain in the future. I don't see how the sourcing would be causing any issues, as per Wikipedia:One hundred words there is sufficient coverage to warrant notability. As fo the subject being after Rogan's companion, the origin of its name is irrelevant. We are talking about a project that briefly reached a valuation of almost a quarter billion USD. If we would follow you rationale, we wouldn't have articles for Shiba Inu (cryptocurrency) names after a Shiba Inu or Dogecoin named after the Doge meme. You consider this article trivia, for whom? Respectufully, I think many articles that you've created for UAE are trivia to me " Trivia: pieces of information of little importance or value". The value depends on who is interested in the subject and the MMA world has been shook by the way these guys are aiding fighters. As per WP:ORGSIG, in Mixed Martial arts, the subject is pioneering the way sponsorship is being done (using crypto) and impacting UFC fighters dispute in a noticeable way. As an MMA fan, the article describes the first cryptocurrency to use blockchain contracts to pay MMA fighters and I believe deleting it would do a disservice to others interested in this topic. Lethweimaster (talk) 06:44, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 05:34, 2 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow the subject to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline. Since the initial del prod, contributors have made a massive clean up: cleaned up section, fixed tone, clarified claim to notability, remove undisclosed paid articles/press releases and added significant coverage. Subject meets notability guidelines per the significant coverage (Wikipedia:One hundred words) in multiple independent reliable sources. Also meets guidelines as per WP:ORGSIG, when evaluating the notability of organizations or products, “we need consider whether they have had any significant or demonstrable effects on culture, society, entertainment, athletics, economies, history, literature, science, or education.” Subject is demonstrably notable as a pioneer in its space (bridging the gap between MMA & crypto) and has had a significant measurable impact on culture of MMA, sports/athletics, economics. The subject has received significant independent coverage from many MMA news media and is addressing an important issue of MMA fighter's pay, kindly consult newly added section Marshall Inu#Fighters pay relief. The subject has been helping mitigate the well documented issue of UFC#Lawsuits over contractual treatment of fighters [18] by awarding fighters millions of dollars in monetary sponsorships. UFC Top ranked fighter such as Bryce Mitchell even declared the subject is his biggest sponsor [19]. One of MMA’s top analyst Ariel Helwani stated he’s never seen anything or anyone unionize fighters like this.[20] It has also received considerable criticism [21] ->Marshall Inu#Criticism. As an MMA fan, the article describes the first cryptocurrency to use blockchain contracts to pay MMA fighters and I believe deleting it would be a mistake and a disservice to others interested in this topic. Lethweimaster (talk) 18:09, 2 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Update: The cryptocurrency Pawthereum with barely no coverage has been accepted as Keep: See here Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pawthereum. They claimed that the impact on animal welfare and the donation of $70,000 is considerable. Marshall Inu has given millions USD to Mixed Martial artist, and its impact on the sport of MMA is substantial. Lethweimaster (talk) 06:14, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Lethweimaster, be careful not to WP:BLUDGEON the discussion. It's easy to fall into that trap - I've done it before myself! —Ganesha811 (talk) 10:19, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank will read about it right now! Lethweimaster (talk) 10:22, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Oh Well looks like I was exactly doing this! Thank you for teaching me another lesson. Consider my behaviour rectify, no one is perfect, we are all learning all the time! Cheers Lethweimaster (talk) 10:30, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: There may well be enough sources to keep this article, but if it's kept it needs a thorough rewrite -- this reads like a press release. Stuff like "Marshall Inu attracted a great deal of attention by being thanked by fighters in almost every post-fight victory speeches inside the Ultimate Fighting Championship octagon" is not encyclopedic. The subject of the article borders on a publicity exercise or tie-in product in the first place, so care must be used in describing it. jp×g 23:44, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I was thinking the same about that sentence, it felt weird, I tried many different ways to word the event, but that's the best I came up with. I don't know if you understood the section, but the entire focus of Marshall Inu#UFC 272 is about the subject being thanked by UFC fighters in masse in their post fight speeches, while being interviewed by Joe Rogan himself (the owner of the dog), therefore the thing we should improve is Marshall Inu attracted a great deal of attention. I had a hard time verbalizing that the crypto currency was the center of attention or stole the show or surprised and shocked the MMA world, how would you verbalize it? I changed it too Marshall Inu become the focus of interest by being thanked [...]. If you have a better idea, please feel free and contribute to the article. Lethweimaster (talk) 10:22, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • @Lethweimaster: It should not say stuff like that at all, unless it's quoting a reliable source saying that, in which case it should do so with attribution, i.e. "The Dogwater Times said that Marshall Inu was 'the cat's pajamas'[1]"

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Guerillero Parlez Moi 14:49, 11 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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