Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ottoman Slavic

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The result was delete. Sandstein 22:00, 17 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ottoman Slavic

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This seems to be an invention by the article creator. A Google search for "Ottoman Slavic language" gives 2 hits, one to this article and one to a Revolvy mirror. A Google search for the alternate name "Raška language" gives an astonishing 15 hits, most of which Wikipedia hits created by the article creator or Wikipedia mirror hits. None of the hits look remotely like a realiable scholarly source. Google Books and Google Scholar give 0 hits outside Wikipedia. T*U (talk) 16:58, 10 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Language-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 17:04, 10 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 14:10, 11 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Europe-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 14:11, 11 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Many Ghits are false friends - mistaken hits that have nothing to do with this topic. Of those, the scholarly articles deal with "Slavic-Albanian Language Contact", or word borrowings. This seems to be made up in a day or at best, original research. Bearian (talk) 22:45, 13 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Indeed, that is Curtis' paper, I can confirm when he says "Ottoman Slavic" it does not refer to this topic. --Calthinus (talk) 19:01, 14 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I am not sure what this article's intended topic actually is. The terminology is particularly confusing. "Ottoman Slavic" usually refers to varieties of Slavic spoken during Ottoman rule -- i.e. primarily to Serbo-Croatian varieties, and Bulgarian~Macedonian~Aegean~Torlakian~aghfuckit ones. This seems to refer to a specific idiom in official use, some sort of Ottoman equivalent to Old Church Slavonic. That said, most of the sourcing for the page does not look RS (one is from 1938, for starters). At face value, this looks written from a very Bulgarian POV, but that might not be in bad faith. That an administrative lect of Slavic could disproportionately resemble the South East Slavic branch wouldn't really be surprising as that is exactly the case with OCS. If not, a good idea might be for the author to take this back into his/her sandbox, and improve it with reliable sources, then give me or anyone else who is willing to check a ping after they do so. --Calthinus (talk) 19:01, 14 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- As you suggest, the intended topic of this article seems not to be the "varieties of Slavic spoken during Ottoman rule", but an elusive "specific idiom in official use". This is underlined by other edits by the article creator. They have also created the redirect Raška language and attempted to make links to this article by linking the redirect. In this edit they also defined it as a "literary norm". (That edit was made by an IP, but the edit histories makes it obviously clear that it is the same editor.) Similar links were made in other articles, like here and here. --T*U (talk) 08:50, 15 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  - TU-nor, you're right, those edits seem misguided at best to me. I am pinging Angel Angel 2 -- perhaps they can clear up some of the confusion? --Calthinus (talk) 16:03, 15 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    - They will not be able to clear up anything, since they are now indeffed... --T*U (talk) 13:23, 16 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      - My bad, this all should have been a bit more obvious to me.--Calthinus (talk) 21:55, 16 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment -- I do not know. The Sublime Porte would have needed to be able to use a Slavic language to communicate with its Slavic subjects. I suspect this of being a translation of an article in another WP; and I do not read Cyrillic script, let alone understand the language. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:11, 15 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes, the whole text seems to be a more or less word-by-word Google-translated version of the Serbian article, created last July by an IP editor. The Bulgarian version is a completely different story, where the Ottoman porte is not even mentioned. --T*U (talk) 13:23, 16 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Unsalvagably confused. To the extent its intended content can be ascertained at all, it's almost certainly a POV fork of something, either Old Serbian language or Middle Bulgarian. Fut.Perf. ☼ 20:46, 15 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete WP:TNT at best.--Calthinus (talk) 14:05, 16 January 2020 (UTC)1Ὡ[reply]

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