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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 06:35, 6 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Prashant Mali

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So called cyber-law-expert surely lacks WP:GNG, especially for being "expert". Most newspaper article are just passing mentions of him being the lawyer in some case. Other sources used in the article are self-published Linkedin and Facebook links. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 06:42, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 06:53, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Internet-related deletion discussions. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 06:53, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: It looks like you have not seen the media coverage as the award given to Prashant Mali. National Indian Bar Association is one of the most prestigious lawyers organisation and has awarded him for his contributions in cyber law. He has handled India's first Cyber Morphing and Identity Theft Case. Check out his facebook page to known that 48 thousand peoples likes his page and which means he is popular as well. Prashant Mali is an advocate considered to be the only cyber law expert in India. he holds a 13 episodes series on DD Sakhi Sahyadri. Apart from that, he has handled the most biggest cyber cases including Amir Khan, Poonam Pandey and Sunny Leone. Thereby, it is obvious that the deletion of such profile will result in the loss to Wikipedia and us. Also, Improved the referencing and removed some social media links according to your guidelines. Kindly considered to remove the article from Afd page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ‎Bhuwnesh.joshi2014 (talk • contribs) 12:24, July 27, 2015

Handling first case[citation needed] doesn't make him notable. Its just that he luckily happened to do that. Also fighting cases on behalf of celebrities doesn't make him notable. See WP:NOTINHERITED. If you say he is "expert" am sure many critics have written about him. Don't quote us 1-2 lines from newspapers and don't quote us his own quotes printed in newspapers. Bar Association presenting some award is just sort of in-house award ceremony. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 13:13, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Sir, according to you a lawyer who has authored a best selling book on cyber law "Cyber Law & Cyber Crimes" which has been forwarded by Justice Rajesh Tandon EX-Chairman Cyber Regulations Appellate Tribunal of India is not a cyber law expert. Also, refer to the following links for references : [1][2][3]. A Person who hosted a 13 episodes series on cyber law and have presented his research paper on Oxford university on behalf on India. He also is the first lawyer from india to be interviewed by BBC World News and featured interview in Bloomberg in which he exposed the threats in credit cards [4]. If you don't knows about Indian Bar Association, be sure to research about it. I will suggest you to find about cyber lawyers in India.— Preceding unsigned comment added by ‎Bhuwnesh.joshi2014 (talk • contribs) 20:08, July 27, 2015
Note: I have struck your second !vote. Each contributor should only !vote once; additional discussion should not contain repeated !votes. — JJMC89 (T·E·C) 02:38, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "Online bank fraud victim awarded Rs 18L".
  2. ^ "6 banks, telecom firm to pay for credit card frauds".
  3. ^ "Unliken Security Innovation Conference".
  4. ^ "Exposed: The Demo of card cloning and how to avoid the card cloning by Prashant Mali".
Well! Looking at your contributions that have been creating this one article and the other one Rakshit Tandon, both being "IT experts" its quite clear that you are here for WP:PAY or at least with WP:COI and my experience says that its not worth educating such editors. So I will let other editors opine here. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 03:50, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Hello Sir, First of all I have keen interest in cyber that's why my both articles are regarding IT experts. I don't know any of these person as well as have not recieved WP:PAY and am not from their cities as well. I just want to improve Wikipedia and that's the reason I try to write some articles. However, it depends on administrators like you whether the article should stay on Wikipedia or not. It doesn't matter if the article stays on Wikipedia or not, but I just want you to research about cyber law experts in India so that your opinion will be good. Also, for your information there is a C4 Conference at Mumbai Today, Where many of the Cyber Experts are attending do check the list of speakers and you will understand. Rest I will leave it to judgmental skills of administrators like you and know that what you will do will be the best for Wikipedia which I and you both want..— Preceding unsigned comment added by ‎Bhuwnesh.joshi2014 (talk • contribs) 15:59, July 28, 2015
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 19:56, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Law-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 19:56, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete This is clearly a case of reference padding by using templates to mask Facebook pages, event brochures and others. While the person has been quoted by a few media agencies, that's all there is to it. There's no significant coverage about him, either within the article or for finding online -- something that should be possible for a cyberspace expert. This is an example of the quality of references available. —SpacemanSpiff 06:38, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. See these links. Much of this article could be excised, but the fellow is definitely Notable in his country. No question about it. Tag it for improvement, but retain it, though it may end up being much shorter than it is now. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 23:22, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
With those links we can start a page on Wikiquotes which would also be deleted eventually. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 05:10, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
According to the advice by BeenAroundAWhile, User:SpacemanSpiff and User:Dharmadhyaksha, updated the article by removing weak references and adding new references. Requesting nominators and moderators to re-check it and if proper, remove the nomination from AfD.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Bhuwnesh.joshi2014 (talk • contribs) 08:58, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Btw, here you say you are not related to both the subjects of the articles, Mali and Tandon, and then you upload images of them both as "own work". So which of the two is a lie? §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 13:21, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Sir, I have downloaded the image of prashant mali from his facebook page. And just uploaded the image to wikimedia. What is wrong with this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bhuwnesh.joshi2014 (talk • contribs) 13:27, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, i just found out that it is illegal to upload photos from the internet to wikipedia. Removed it. Please guide if there is anything more wrong with the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bhuwnesh.joshi2014 (talk • contribs) 15:31, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Also, Request User:Dharmadhyaksha to kindly withdraw the nomination as the references are improved, references from social networking sites are removed and the article now contains well referenced content. Looking forward to your response. Thanks for Improving the article. Bhuwnesh.joshi2014 (talk) 21:36, 2 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nothing has changed really, there's an array of quotes by him, that's about it, no significant coverage about him from reliable sources. —SpacemanSpiff 14:01, 4 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as per nomination and @SpacemanSpiff:. This could a reason to attract more clients in business. In India there are thousands of well known lawyers and most of "em are expert in some or other fields, this does not makes them notable. Also, In India, the media keeps an eye on sensitive matters specially those have involvement of Supreme Court. In fact most of online published news articles about him is talking of one of the event in which he raised an question and gave suggestion about dealing with cyber laws which again could be the case of being notable for the single event.— — CutestPenguinHangout 14:01, 4 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Request User:Cutest Penguin to go through the article and check out the quality of references as the article is improved by me and User:Dharmadhyaksha, removing weak references and adding quality references. Thanking You. Bhuwnesh.joshi2014 (talk) 12:21, 2 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
No one is adding "quality" references on this "expert" as there exists none. News reports seems to be calling him "expert" like the proverb "In the land of the blind, a one-eyed man is the king". §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 03:35, 4 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment As per the nominators point regarding WP:GNG, It can be easily sorted out by checking the news reports [2]. Also, the article is highly improved by removing weak references and self published social media links. This thereby proves that all point laid by the nominator has been covered and improved. If the article needs some more references, the article must be tag for improvement, but it must be retained. Also, the nominator has worked to improve the article which suggests that the notability of the article is there. Bhuwnesh.joshi2014 (talk) 21:51, 3 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
No! You are not the authority to infer on my actions. I have cleaned the article only to show how hollow it is and has no notability. The article still has yellow-page listings of places the subject has been to; but am tired of cleaning it further. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 03:31, 4 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]


  • Delete Article lacks notability. The sources used don't help with GNG. One of the sources, Tennews.in is not even a reliable source. The article as such seems more like a fluff piece that cannot be fixed. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 12:45, 4 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Ten News is a reliable news source has been referred by many wikipedia articles many time including National Capital Region, also by searching on google you will probably know about the notability of the person. Do research thoroughly before commenting. Do check google news or scholar which are reliable source about him and you will definitely find information about him. Bhuwnesh.joshi2014 (talk) 13:54, 4 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
It would do you good to learn to be civil and not tell people with multiple DYKs and GAs to 'do research'. ----Rsrikanth05 (talk) 16:40, 4 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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