Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Somewhere in America (album)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. ceradon (talk • edits) 03:21, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

Somewhere in America (album)

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NN album by NN band on NN label. Sources are nothing but local radio playlists. MSJapan (talk) 03:06, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

Notice MSJapan "Hitradio Ö3 is one of the nationwide radio stations of Austria's public broadcaster ORF" "Radio Wien is the regional radio for Vienna, and is part of the Österreich 2 group" as cleary is seeable on the pages of the radio stations. Learn to read, or in case you can't, let me know, so I will read it aloud for you. User:Morrissey1976 (talk) 11:51, 12 August 2015 (CET+1)

Strong oppose MSJapan tagged the page Cornerstone for proposed deletion over and over again, altough reliable third party sources were delivered and refered to. MSJapan wants to remove the page plus related pages, because he personally hates the band and construct and invite reasons to do so, which has nothing to do with the reality or the facts. Simply ignores third party sources. I’ve already contacted Wikipedia in reagrds of this, block of IP requested because of vandalism. Talking ‘but the band page in accordance to WP: band:

“1.Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself.”

Fullfilled. I have refered to two example sources (Classic Rock (magazine) and Powerplay Magazine), I don’t want to start refering to hundreds of reviews and interviews regarding the band.

“2. Has had a single or album on any country's national music chart”.

Fullfilled. It doesn’t matter, if for one week or hundred weeks.

“4. Has received non-trivial coverage in independent reliable sources of an international concert tour, or a national concert tour in at least one sovereign country.”

Fullfilled. Countless medias reported about the band’s USA-Tour and their several UK-Tours.. I refered to one example source (Dayton Daily News). Again, I don’t start uploading and refer to hundreds of sources, because one guy hates the band

“10. Has performed music for a work of media that is notable, e.g., a theme for a network television show, performance in a television show or notable film, inclusion on a notable compilation album, etc. “

Fullfilled. Delivered two songs to the soundtrack “Little Alien”, which won multiple awards. Check out the films WP or the films Website.

“11.Has been placed in rotation nationally by a major radio or music television network.”

Fullfilled. Rotation on national Austrian Radios Hitradio Ö3 and “Radio Wien Example playlists delivered and refered, too.

Regarding the other topics: Requested movements of Cornerstone dab page and Cornerstone happened because of logical point of views and an easier search modus for the several meanings of the term Cornerstone. Probably user is also an SPA for the "Cornerstone dab page” and “Cornerstone” (haven’t checked out yet). The band played the mainstages at all of the Festivals that was mentioned, as cleary is viewable at the refered Flyers and several videos in the Internet. Btw., MSJapan, “Fireworks” and “Powerplay” are “two of the biggest rock’zines in the UK, not “the biggest”. Learn to read, or in case you can’t, tell me, so I’ll read it aloud for you. Let me add, that there should be no place on WP for personal grief and personal tastes. User:Morrissey1976 (talk) 09:38, 12 August 2015 (CET+1) User:Morrissey1976 is the creator of this article. Disclosure added per WP:AFDFORMAT.

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Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 18:08, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

• Reply: Band and album notability criteria are distinct. The soundtrack and single aren't on and aren't relevant to this album. The chart position of the single is not relevant to this album. A playlist from a show, or a half-hour snippet doesn't indicate "rotation". Rotation means it's replayed, and there's no indication of that. The Dayton article is a few questions in a local paper, and it only mentions "Head Over Heels" briefly, which isn't this album. Therefore, none of your sources establish notability for this album. MSJapan (talk) 20:30, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

• Reply: I'm not willing to upload dozens of playlists here, nor dozens of reviews. The Dayton News was an example. Would it be a big issue for you, btw. to STOP spin the WP guidelines and my sources and references into your strange view? I CLEARLY pointed out, why you want to remove the pages from WP, and it is pointless, I could upload here hundred of sources and references, you'd spin it, and we'll discuss here for weeks with no result. May I suggest, that you simply leave the pages I've created, alone, unless you do a constructive contribution? Thank you. Morrissey1976 (talk) 01:00, 13 August 2015 (CET+1)

You are not meant to be uploading stuff for our benefit. If you need to upload stuff to be able to reference an article then that just proves that it is failing both WP:N and WP:V. I also dislike the idea that you want what you write to be left alone. That is not how Wikipedia works. This is an encyclopaedia not free web hosting for PR material. --DanielRigal (talk) 20:35, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

• Delete Since Cornerstone (Austrian band) doesn't seem to meet WP:BAND, this doesn't meet WP:NALBUMS. If the band survives AfD, redirect. Miniapolis 23:27, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

• Delete. While I am sure that the guys at BBC Radio Lincolnshire would be flattered to be presented as the very cornerstone* of the UK-wide BBC, looked on with envy by the pitiful denizens of the national stations, it is clear that this is here primarily to flatter the band itself. All 4 "references" go straight to the band's own website. That in itself is fatal. --DanielRigal (talk) 20:29, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

* - Sorry. Could not resist it. --DanielRigal (talk) 20:29, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

• Keep, but add references If the author can prove the claims made in the articles (Meaning both the Cornerstone page and this one), I see no reason why they shouldn't meet both WP:BAND and WP:NALBUMS. That said, if reliable sources, fully cited, cannot be given to support facts with evidence (also meaning besides ones from cornerstone.com) before AfD debate ends, the article cannot be kept. --Flobberz (talk) 15:23, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

• Comment - I thought the comment claiming an album could satisfy BAND was odd, so I looked at the user's contribs. I hate to WP:BITE, but Flobberz has less than 50 edits, has been on WP for three days, has only worked on one article (which has been sent to AfD), and already has several notability guideline discussion items on his talk page related to said article. His last comment on such is "Wikipedia simply has unrealistic standards." So I don't think he yet has the understanding necessary to be participating in AfDs. MSJapan (talk) 20:19, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

Reply toMSJapan The problem, that we have here is, that you have a strong COI regarding the article Cornerstone and with this whole AFD, that you have started. I already wondered, why someone put such strong efforts into the deletion process of a - everyone excuse me this term here now - f***g band. But this make sense: reading all your other articles, except one, all of them are about Freemasonry, the term 'Cornerstone' has a strong meaning there (Which I wasn't aware of, when I wrote the article). I suppose, you are an expert and/or a part of this communion, and furthermore you want to remove the article either out of your own interest, or someone told you to do so. Strong COI. Btw., I found it quite interesting, how you judge about other people, as clearly seeable in your reply toFlobberz, whose suggestion was really calm and reasonable. May is suggest, that you'll do that within the organisations, you are part of outside of WP, not here? Thank you. Morrissey1976 (talk) 11:50, 16 August 2015 (CET+1)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 23:07, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Austria-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 23:07, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

Reply to MSJapan

Don't be afraid to do it, MSJapan, all Wikipedians do apparently!

I edited my initial comment because I guess you somehow couldn't tell what I meant. --Flobberz (talk) 20:03, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

• Delete as per nom. Doesn't pass WP:GNG or WP:NALBUM. Miniapolis' suggestion makes the most sense. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 16:29, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
• Redirect to Cornerstone (band), non-charting album, no significant coverage, stand-alone article not warranted under WP:NALBUMS. Kraxler (talk) 00:36, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.