Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Taineua

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Some mentioned a potential redirect but there was not clear consensus for that. There was consensus to keep. (non-admin closure) -- Dane ^talk 02:53, 1 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Taineua

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There is an article on Tai Nuea language but no reliable sources are provided for this article’s historical account. It mostly seems drawn from tourism sites and I can’t find any RS (in English). Mccapra (talk) 11:21, 13 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Thailand-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 11:32, 13 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 11:33, 13 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Myanmar-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 11:33, 13 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ethnic groups-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 11:34, 13 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

If there's consensus for deletion, then instead of deleting, the article should be turned into a redirect to Tai Nuea language. – Uanfala (talk) 09:43, 14 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. While the term describes the language, the various peoples that form its users are usually collectively described as Dai people. --Paul_012 (talk) 17:28, 14 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Update: It appears that there are indeed sources which cover Tai Nua people as an ethnic group, e.g. [1] (actually two ethnic groups with the same name; one in China and Myanmar, and another in Laos). The article still needs to be completely rewritten though, as it fails to distinguish between the two and appears to be based mostly on original research and non-reliable sources. --Paul_012 (talk) 05:41, 15 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment thanks Paul_012 in that case it seems the best outcome is a redirect to Dai people. Unless anyone objects I’ll do that and ask for this AfD to close. Mccapra (talk) 18:49, 14 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- I'd rather let the AfD ran its course. I think Tai Nuea language is still probably the better target, since readers arriving via the term would be WP:ASTONISHed to be directed to Dai people. --Paul_012 (talk) 05:41, 15 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  - Really? But Dai people is about the people and customs whereas Tai Nuea language is just about linguistics, so surely the former is a closer match to what the user is searching for? Mccapra (talk) 06:06, 15 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    - Dai people doesn't have content about the Taineua people apart from a brief mention of "Tai Nüa" inside a table, if that counts for anything, so it's not particularly useful to readers who search for "Taineua". If it did have more substantial content, then Taineua could be turned into a disambiguation page listing the ethnic group/s and the language, per the naming conventions: in English a given name is used for both the ethnicity and the language, and the two topics don't normally tend to attract vastly different readership, so there's usually no primary topic). – Uanfala (talk) 06:44, 15 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or Draft this article needs rework or improve. see source 1. MyanmarBBQ (talk) 20:58, 19 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, B dash (talk) 03:26, 21 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I can see many sources on the people - [2][3][4][5][6][7][8], therefore while the article needs fixing, the rationale presented by the nominator is not valid. Given that there appear to be a number of different ways the name of the people could be spelt (the Chinese also called them by different names) - [9], and I only did a quick search for a couple, with the number sources (I only give a few of those I found) it should easily pass WP:GNG. Few sources however uses Taineua, most use Tai Neua or Tai Nua, so I would suggest moving the article to a better name, maybe Tai Nua people? Hzh (talk) 22:47, 27 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment thanks Hzh. Based on the sources you’ve found I think it would be best to move the article to the new title you suggest, not merge as previously suggested. Mccapra (talk) 02:00, 28 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 18:59, 28 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep or Draft this article needs any reliable sources in English.- MA Javadi (talk) 20:08, 28 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.